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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.12.23 11:17:00 -
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Kelsi Corynn wrote:I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.
So have you actually partaken in FW??? FW is currently ENTIRELY player driven based around the concept of flying under one of the 4 empires. That isn't really any different to 0.0 players forging a story under the banner of their alliance...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:01:00 -
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Kelsi Corynn wrote:I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.
I see your point but really its more player driven than you might think.
For many of us its just a name attached to the side we are fighting for. I don't really care that ccp picked the name as opposed to some player picking the name. Beyond the fact that we are at war with the other 2 factions everything else is pretty much up to the players.
And people do switch sides based on whims and egos. Its just that everyone else isn't fked based on other peoples whims and egos. If you read the warfare and tactics forum you will see we have plenty of jr high metagame drama. Its just that everything we do isn't dependant on it. No one is going to disband the amarr militia because they are upset about something someone said last night on vent.
For me the fun of being in fw has less to do with the metagame drama and more to do with trying to figure out tactics to blow eachother up. Some people will prefer one over the other. Because eve is great, it has something to offer everyone.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:06:00 -
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No one cares about Canada FW.  |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:18:00 -
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Faction warfare could be truly epic if it had real consequences for the citizens of new eden.
One idea I particularly like is objectives for the militias that would reduce security (from highsec to lowsec) in some key systems (e.g. popular trade routes and mission hubs) in the opposing militias empire. Meaning, that you need to defend your space to enable safe journeys and missioning in highsec. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:29:00 -
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Yeah. FW seems to have picked back up a little bit, but I am speculating that it'll be looked at heavily here in the near future.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3355
CCP Unifex wrote:The first theme is going to be War and everyone is getting very excited about it.
Yes I realize that war could mean anything, but I'm hoping for it being Faction War. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.12.23 17:35:00 -
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We have a lot of CSMs were are "null dwellers".
Problem is caused by there being a lack of CSMs being in FW.
Hence the difference.
This is called "democracy" and just a minor and harmless (it's a game) example of why hating democracy should not be considered heresy.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.23 17:56:00 -
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I see you repeatedly comparing Part of the null sec population to the entirety of the FW population. You should stop, it's not convincing at all and you come across as dumb. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2011.12.23 19:03:00 -
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Indeterminacy wrote:I see you repeatedly comparing Part of the null sec population to the entirety of the FW population. You should stop, it's not convincing at all and you come across as dumb.
Well the parts of null sec are pretty big parts that ccp would miss if they just decided to stop playing because they were ignored.
But that is not even the half of it. Null sec isn't ignored. CCP has been constantly trying to tweak and fix null sec while fw has gone pretty much abandoned in a broken state.
If ccp actually worked at fixing fw not only would these fw accounts become more active but there would no doubt be several times more people playing that part of eve.
How they fix it will determine whether this will bring new accounts to eve or just shift existing ones. If they make it a unique fast paced pvp experience they will bring new accounts if they just make it like other slow waiting game pvp experiences (or worse another mechanism to shoot red crosses) they won't.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.12.23 23:42:00 -
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All I want for Xmas is for CCP Unifex to come and tell us what they are doing to fix FW!!!
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.01.03 03:35:00 -
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Didn't get my Xmas present...
Suggest a New Years resolution for CCP - engage the FW commuity and tell us what you are doing to fix FW. That way we can make sure it is done right!!!
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
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beor oranes
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.01.03 05:19:00 -
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Just a suggestion but why don't you post in the Features and Idea's section on how you would like Faction Warfare to be fixed and try and get some support for it, that way CCP might actually pay some more attention to your whining.
Just shouting 'FIX FACTION WARFARE CCP' really isn't being constructive, its called being a five year old. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.01.03 05:47:00 -
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beor oranes wrote:Just a suggestion but why don't you post in the Features and Idea's section on how you would like Faction Warfare to be fixed and try and get some support for it, that way CCP might actually pay some more attention to your whining.
Just shouting 'FIX FACTION WARFARE CCP' really isn't being constructive, its called being a five year old.
FYI there is already a number of threads on these. The last I saw from CCP being involved with them was Soundwave theorising that they could remove the navies from high sec.
So I'm concentrating on making some noise that might get CCP to come look at FW. Once they actually start talking to us, then we can discuss the ideas...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:18:00 -
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Well I looked at the numbers and actually null sec was nerfed. So with your expectations FW would be nerfed actually not made better. I really dont know where you are coming from or so. Null sec has been ignored at best really. FW shouldnt even be showing its head right now since an axe would most likely fall on it, then angel kisses. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:55:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well I looked at the numbers and actually null sec was nerfed. So with your expectations FW would be nerfed actually not made better. I really dont know where you are coming from or so. Null sec has been ignored at best really. FW shouldnt even be showing its head right now since an axe would most likely fall on it, then angel kisses.
Funny guy. FW hasn't been touched since it was released bar adding a few things to the LP store and some work on the plex respawn system.
Null has had many things done to it. Stations, moon mining, sov, supers etc...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2012.01.03 08:19:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well I looked at the numbers and actually null sec was nerfed. So with your expectations FW would be nerfed actually not made better. I really dont know where you are coming from or so. Null sec has been ignored at best really. FW shouldnt even be showing its head right now since an axe would most likely fall on it, then angel kisses.
You should see a doctor mate ... I think that monocle of yours is eating into your brain. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.03 09:52:00 -
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Confirming there are only 4 alliances in Nullsec. Everyone else isn an NPC.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:54:00 -
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Kelsi Corynn wrote:I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.
I would view FW more as a catalyst for player derived PvP than PvP on rails. Keep in mind FW doesn't operate in a bubble, we get plenty of fights with the local pirates, and a substantial number of us are unabashed pirates ourselves. The numbers posted before are probably fairly skewed due to the number of inactive players and mission running in FW. For the Caldari in particular the number of non-PvP mission runners is pretty troublesome.
In general I've found that FW lets PvP take more of a center stage (particularly skirmish PvP) in comparison to the experience I've had in Null.
ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.03 23:24:00 -
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How is listing 5% of the null-sec population and comparing it with 100% of the FW population in anyway a fair comparison?
Problem with FW is always going to be the ease of spying, making any serious fleet deployment only doable by the corps in FW who don't allow random people in.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it!
Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.03 23:35:00 -
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comparing FW to only 4 alliances in a realm where coalitions are the norm, and there are several hundred alliances involved, is pretty damn meaningless. just saying. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.04 00:25:00 -
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Death by 1000 papercuts good sir. Death by 1000 papercuts. |
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