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Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 85	Posted - 2011.12.18 12:28:00 - [1] - Quote Dear CCP We were having a chat in corp the other day and the topic of numbers came up Militia Caldari 7444 Minmitar 5387 Amarr 4576 Gallente 5730 Total 23137 Top 4 alliances Shadow of xXDeathXx 8019 Goonswarm Federation 6928 Test Alliance Please Ignore 4746 Intrepid Crossing 3235 Total 22928 So I'll just leave these numbers for someone for CCP to comment on and to explain why FW is still ignored and after it constantly rating as something that need fixing and being mentioned by Hilmar as one of the feature fixes for Crucible, we got 1 fix to plexing which has been asked for for years... P.S. I don't want to hear about the minnies claiming we blob them since you have more numbers!!!! Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Schnoo The Schnoo 35	Posted - 2011.12.18 12:35:00 - [2] - Quote The FW numbers are wrong (in order of magnitudes). I don't think real participants in FW PVP are even 10% of that, many being inactive (unsubbed), alts, spying alts, tax evaders, FW mission runners. Oh and a week long experience in FW tells me there are more Minmatar than Amarr players, data, right?
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 85	Posted - 2011.12.18 12:40:00 - [3] - Quote Schnoo wrote: The FW numbers are wrong (in order of magnitudes). I don't think real participants in FW PVP are even 10% of that, many being inactive (unsubbed), alts, spying alts, tax evaders, FW mission runners. Oh and a week long experience in FW tells me there are more Minmatar than Amarr players, data, right? Right - because the amount of botters in shadow of death are all real. And there aren't spies in null sec alliances. Or miners... Or people who rat/plex in some obscure systems... Or people who are in the alliance and just live in high sec... Quote: Oh and a week long experience in FW tells me there are more Minmatar than Amarr players Quote: Minmitar 5387 Amarr 4576 Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Generals4 Caldari State 557	Posted - 2011.12.18 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Dear CCP We were having a chat in corp the other day and the topic of numbers came up Militia Caldari 7444 Minmitar 5387 Amarr 4576 Gallente 5730 Total 23137 Top 4 alliances Shadow of xXDeathXx 8019 Goonswarm Federation 6928 Test Alliance Please Ignore 4746 Intrepid Crossing 3235 Total 22928 So I'll just leave these numbers for someone for CCP to comment on and to explain why FW is still ignored and after it constantly rating as something that need fixing and being mentioned by Hilmar as one of the feature fixes for Crucible, we got 1 fix to plexing which has been asked for for years... P.S. I don't want to hear about the minnies claiming we blob them since you have more numbers!!!! Those numbers mean exactly nothing. The caldari militia for instance gets owned by the gallente one simply because they have much much more PVE'ers, people who aren't playing, etc. More interesting numbers would be the amount of players who have had at least 1 kill in the previous week. Fixing FW based on useless numbers is exactly what CCP shouldn't do. *-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.*
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 85	Posted - 2011.12.18 13:01:00 - [5] - Quote Right - because FW isn't cyclical. Didn't Caldari push the Gallente all the way back home and then give up because they were bored??? And doesn't larger null sec alliances get beat up by smaller ones sometimes??? The point was the number of people in faction warfare compared to the top 4 alliances... Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 349	Posted - 2011.12.18 14:59:00 - [6] - Quote The fact is FW is a fun non nullbear pvp opportunity that MANY people have tried to engage in. While you can stay in a null alliance without risk, doing so in FW is different. CCP has NO ONE working on FW other than a tweak here or there, they have no vision, no plan, lack all inspiration and effectively redefine fail when you discuss FW. I'm a ***** profanity filter that can catch and ***, but fuckin little else. -á
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 86	Posted - 2011.12.19 02:26:00 - [7] - Quote Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day??? I'm guessing no personally... Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Brock Nelson 101	Posted - 2011.12.19 02:40:00 - [8] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day??? I'm guessing no personally... Uhh...its the weekend dude. I don't know what planet you're from but here on Earth, most people work during the week.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 86	Posted - 2011.12.19 02:49:00 - [9] - Quote Brock Nelson wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day??? I'm guessing no personally... Uhh...its the weekend dude. I don't know what planet you're from but here on Earth, most people work during the week. I believe it is midday where I am, and very early in the morning Eve time. Now considering I said during the day (bolded that part for you to be 100% clear), that would mean TODAY (19th). When they get to work. You know, since Iceland is like coming up on 3am now. For the purposes of this conversation, I will assume since you think it is still the weekend, you are in the US and just leave it at that since of course the whole world revolves around the US... Enough said!!! Oh yeah, it is also the case that we NEVER see the decs pop in to say hi during the weekend or the middle of the night amirite??? Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Pulgy Spiritus Draconis 7	Posted - 2011.12.19 03:23:00 - [10] - Quote As many have pointed out, the vast majority of those numbers are mission runners, most likely alts from alliances looking to make a quick buck. At any given time the gallente side has no more than 70 active pvp pilots...yeah. Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates.
Phizban The Needs Of The Few The Needs Of The Few Many 23	Posted - 2011.12.19 04:35:00 - [11] - Quote Pulgy wrote: As many have pointed out, the vast majority of those numbers are mission runners, most likely alts from alliances looking to make a quick buck. At any given time the gallente side has no more than 70 active pvp pilots...yeah. I just want to point out that the glare coming off your oily forhead looks like a runner's sweatband. That is all.
Brock Nelson 101	Posted - 2011.12.19 04:40:00 - [12] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Brock Nelson wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day??? I'm guessing no personally... Uhh...its the weekend dude. I don't know what planet you're from but here on Earth, most people work during the week. I believe it is midday where I am, and very early in the morning Eve time. Now considering I said during the day (bolded that part for you to be 100% clear), that would mean TODAY (19th). When they get to work. You know, since Iceland is like coming up on 3am now. For the purposes of this conversation, I will assume since you think it is still the weekend, you are in the US and just leave it at that since of course the whole world revolves around the US... Enough said!!! Oh yeah, it is also the case that we NEVER see the decs pop in to say hi during the weekend or the middle of the night amirite??? Oh sorry you think I'm from the US Oh sorry you think that everyone's work day starts at 3am monday morning Oh sorry you think that devs popping in on weekends to say hi is actually working I mean after all, they don't play this game amirite???
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 86	Posted - 2011.12.19 05:41:00 - [13] - Quote Brock Nelson wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Brock Nelson wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day??? I'm guessing no personally... Uhh...its the weekend dude. I don't know what planet you're from but here on Earth, most people work during the week. I believe it is midday where I am, and very early in the morning Eve time. Now considering I said during the day (bolded that part for you to be 100% clear), that would mean TODAY (19th). When they get to work. You know, since Iceland is like coming up on 3am now. For the purposes of this conversation, I will assume since you think it is still the weekend, you are in the US and just leave it at that since of course the whole world revolves around the US... Enough said!!! Oh yeah, it is also the case that we NEVER see the decs pop in to say hi during the weekend or the middle of the night amirite??? Oh sorry you think I'm from the US Oh sorry you think that everyone's work day starts at 3am monday morning Oh sorry you think that devs popping in on weekends to say hi is actually working I mean after all, they don't play this game amirite??? Sigh. Let me explain ONE MORE TIME for the troll... You said it was still the weekend. That implies it is still sunday unless you are in the middle of the Atlantic... Ergo you would have to be based in the US. Otherwise it is MONDAY and it is NOT the weekend anymore, even if someone is still asleep. I NEVER said their day starts at 3am. I said it was 3am on a WORK DAY and as such I said *Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day???* See how that works??? If CCP will respond during the day is FUTURE tense - i.e. later in the day, it being the 19th (Monday!!!). And I said that devs DO respond out of business hours - which IS working if they are representing CCP (by using their CCP accounts vs an anonymous pilot). Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Brock Nelson 101	Posted - 2011.12.19 05:50:00 - [14] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Brock Nelson wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Brock Nelson wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day??? I'm guessing no personally... Uhh...its the weekend dude. I don't know what planet you're from but here on Earth, most people work during the week. I believe it is midday where I am, and very early in the morning Eve time. Now considering I said during the day (bolded that part for you to be 100% clear), that would mean TODAY (19th). When they get to work. You know, since Iceland is like coming up on 3am now. For the purposes of this conversation, I will assume since you think it is still the weekend, you are in the US and just leave it at that since of course the whole world revolves around the US... Enough said!!! Oh yeah, it is also the case that we NEVER see the decs pop in to say hi during the weekend or the middle of the night amirite??? Oh sorry you think I'm from the US Oh sorry you think that everyone's work day starts at 3am monday morning Oh sorry you think that devs popping in on weekends to say hi is actually working I mean after all, they don't play this game amirite??? Sigh. Let me explain ONE MORE TIME for the troll... You said it was still the weekend. That implies it is still sunday unless you are in the middle of the Atlantic... Ergo you would have to be based in the US. Otherwise it is MONDAY and it is NOT the weekend anymore, even if someone is still asleep. I NEVER said their day starts at 3am. I said it was 3am on a WORK DAY and as such I said *Anyone taking bets on if CCP will respond to this during the day???* See how that works??? If CCP will respond during the day is FUTURE tense - i.e. later in the day, it being the 19th (Monday!!!). And I said that devs DO respond out of business hours - which IS working if they are representing CCP (by using their CCP accounts vs an anonymous pilot). Oh sorry you think the US is the only country in the world that is still on Sunday. I mean, Canada, Mexico, and the French Polymesia is now enjoying Monday. Oh sorry you think the Atlantic is still on Sunday, even though it's Monday in the Atlantic right now Oh sorry you think that as soon as someone goes to sleep on Sunday, it becomes monday for them regardless Oh sorry I don't see how that works, after all I'm a troll amirrite?
DelBoy Trades Enslave. GIANTSBANE. 88	Posted - 2011.12.19 06:03:00 - [15] - Quote If you don't log in for a year in an alliance you'll be kicked, however, if you don't log in when you're in TLF, 24th etc. You will never be kicked, how many of those thousands of players in FW are even still subbed?? -1 from Minmatar, my (now ignored) TLF mission farmer. Edit: Love it how OP thinks the whole western hemisphere is the US, psst, don't tell Canada. Damn nature, you scary!
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 86	Posted - 2011.12.19 07:00:00 - [16] - Quote Really? The game boots you from an alliance? I always thought it was the corps that did that. Well, I guess that is ME informed!!! And I'm pretty sure I know the difference Delboy. I just got to Brock being American due to his comments... A Canadian wouldn't be that quick to jump in and start ripping into me without first reading and comprehending what was said... BTW - I AM aware it is Monday in the Atlantic NOW... When I posted it was 3am eve time. That would be GMT -3, which puts some of the atlantic in monday and some in sunday... My comment still stands - DURING the day, which was posted on a Monday server and iceland time... And yes - if I go to sleep on a sunday, it ALWAYS becomes Monday for me regardless. The earth doesn't stop revolving when I am asleep... I never said it happened WHEN someone went to bed (you did). I said it happened while they were IN BED... Duh!!! Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Dr Karsun Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor 41	Posted - 2011.12.19 08:58:00 - [17] - Quote I've taken part in FW for quite a while... 0.0 is just easier, more profitable, easy to boot a spy that joined the alliance as soon as you pinpoint him, safer and you can just go high sec if you want a short break. At the same time FW takes a lot of problems with it - a lot of people who won't take part in pvp, thus making hard to actually make a good fleet, no way to boot spies militia-wide since any corp can just join and leave as they please without any verification, no way to actually escape free of concord pvp since even in your own high sec enemy militia can come and nail you (militia high sec dps is not only tankable, it's easy to tank). I moved to 0.0 after noticing that FW is just too risky and the risk vs reward is too small. And well, I am all for making boosts and fixes to FW. It's probably the most fun RP thing I've ever participated in, plus the awesomness of having fleets that actually change something on the map, while the same small fleets would change nothing in 0.0, except giving someone easy kills. I take off my hat to militia members since they are playing eve the hard way. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 98	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:31:00 - [18] - Quote Pulgy wrote: As many have pointed out, the vast majority of those numbers are mission runners, most likely alts from alliances looking to make a quick buck. At any given time the gallente side has no more than 70 active pvp pilots...yeah. I don't think they are mission runners. There aren't that many stealthbombers running around. However, I agree, there are not that many people active either. My hunch is allot of these people may be semi-inactive in eve waiting for ccp to fix fw plexing so it finally delivers allot of small scale pvp for casual players. There may be many times this number who have let their subs lapse while they wait. In any event the semi-active waiting catagory certainly explains my 2 characters. FW is really the last hope for eve players who like pvp/good fights but don't want to have to devote their lives to the game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 88	Posted - 2011.12.21 02:09:00 - [19] - Quote Regardless of if they are active or not, that is amount that the game reports, same as that is the amount that the game reports when you view alliance rankings. Whether they are active accounts or not is impossible to determine... What it does show is that alot of people have come to look at FW and never left it, even if they left eve. Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
War Kitten Panda McLegion 380	Posted - 2011.12.21 02:18:00 - [20] - Quote Truth in advertising, I like it. Those are definitely numbers. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Cipher Jones 188	Posted - 2011.12.21 02:25:00 - [21] - Quote Quote: More interesting numbers would be the amount of players who have had at least 1 kill in the previous week. And also irrelevant. Noting your incredible bias as you ask for the number of kills of FW players but not null players. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 88	Posted - 2011.12.21 02:29:00 - [22] - Quote Stealing some more numbers from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48705&find=unread Basically they show that FW DOES have similar kill and ISK kill numbers to 0.0. Figures repeated below. Total Kills Gallente 2842 (9) Minmatar 2738 (9) Amarr 2495 (11) Caldari 1657 Gallente+Minmatar : 5580 (1) Amarr+Caldari : 4152 (4) All Militias : 9732 (1) ISK Gallente: 320B isk Minmatar: 199B isk Amarr: 231B isk Caldari: 126B isk All Militias: 876B Gallente+Minmatar: 519B 1 Goonswarm: 420B 2 AAA: 467B 3 NCDot. 598B Amarr + Caldari: 375B 4 White Noise: 232B 5 Test: 379B 6 RvB Red: 80B 7 RvB Blue: 67B 8 Hydra Reloaded: 271B Gallente: 320B Minmatar: 199B 9 PL: 491B 10 Red Alliance: 268B Amarr 231B Caldari: 126B Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 88	Posted - 2011.12.21 02:41:00 - [23] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Quote: More interesting numbers would be the amount of players who have had at least 1 kill in the previous week. And also irrelevant. Noting your incredible bias as you ask for the number of kills of FW players but not null players. I got Yar Nor on the weekend - does that count??? Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Sano Hekki Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.21 03:56:00 - [24] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Stealing some more numbers from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48705&find=unread Basically they show that FW DOES have similar kill and ISK kill numbers to 0.0. Figures repeated below. How are the kill similar ? The top two 0.0 alliances on eve-kill for the month have more kills than all the militia's combined, if you add up the rest in the top 20 you are looking at 5x the amount of the militia's. I
Tahna Rouspel BWE Special Forces The Mungiki 43	Posted - 2011.12.21 04:16:00 - [25] - Quote I don't think it's so much about what Faction Warfare is at the moment, but what it could become. From what I hear, Faction Warfare isn't the most fascinating thing to do, but it could be. Imagine how many people would enjoy doing Faction Warfare in the future? It could be a big appeal to players. It has potential. Faction warfare could give another area for players to spend their time.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 88	Posted - 2011.12.21 05:52:00 - [26] - Quote Sano Hekki wrote: Har Harrison wrote: Stealing some more numbers from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48705&find=unread Basically they show that FW DOES have similar kill and ISK kill numbers to 0.0. Figures repeated below. How are the kill similar ? The top two 0.0 alliances on eve-kill for the month have more kills than all the militia's combined, if you add up the rest in the top 20 you are looking at 5x the amount of the militia's. I Rank Goonswarm Federation 5493 Against All Authorities 4630 Combine the "allied" militias and they are ball park. Add ALL militias and they are higher (yes, you could add the alliances togetther that for CFC etc...). The point is, FW has a lot of peope signed up, has a lot of kills and they total a lot of isk and CCP don't give it the love it needs. If it was properly loved, how much higher would these numbers be??? Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 88	Posted - 2011.12.23 03:33:00 - [27] - Quote No comment CCP? Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Jonathan Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 16	Posted - 2011.12.23 03:50:00 - [28] - Quote Apollo Gabriel wrote: CCP has NO ONE working on EVE other than a tweak here or there, they have no vision, no plan, lack all inspiration and effectively redefine fail when you discuss EVE. FYP You're welcome.
Mathilde D'Arc The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary 0	Posted - 2011.12.23 03:55:00 - [29] - Quote Eleventyfunfzillion Lolol numbers
Kelsi Corynn Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.12.23 04:34:00 - [30] - Quote I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.

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