EVE Search - What A Great Design!

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

What A Great Design!

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:03:13 - [1] - Quote Hello there! So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play. Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security. What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying. So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much! Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting!
PAPULA Black Aces I N F A M O U S 113	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:07:08 - [2] - Quote I suggest you go do some level 1 - 4 missions, it's way more profitable and you will have battleship at the end for level 4 missions which can't be killed with 2 destroyers.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:11:48 - [3] - Quote Yeah I think I will be doing other things. Earning like 11-14m per hour doesn't really help with this mess. So discouraging and annoying.
PAPULA Black Aces I N F A M O U S 113	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:13:42 - [4] - Quote Good level 4 mission will get you 30 million in 15min
Aluanna Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:13:55 - [5] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Yeah I think I will be doing other things. Earning like 11-14m per hour doesn't really help with this mess. So discouraging and annoying. You could also you know, fit any sort of tank on a mining barge.. like at all? Ideas for missile launchers to make firing missiles more interesting/rewarding
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:18:32 - [6] - Quote Well I activated my three shield mods (Adaptive Invul was on all the time). I guess I should just make a tank out of my Hulk than a miner. Like use both armor and shield tank and tanking rigs and even electronic warfare mods and also logistics drones. Yeah! Great idea! I will just do that! Thank you Aluana you really opened my eyes! Thanks a lot!
DaReaper Net 7 2835	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:22:59 - [7] - Quote as a miner for 12 years... dude... 1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank. 2) mine with your friends 3) join another corp 4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Tomika Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:23:32 - [8] - Quote I feel like this kill mail was generated purely for trolling purposes. If it wasn't, consider this a learning experience and in future don't go solo mining in an expensive ship with weak defences, T1 mids and no tanking rigs.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1472	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:27:23 - [9] - Quote 1. Don't mine in a Hulk unless you're in a fleet. Use a Mack or a Skiff, Hulks are made of paper and the small mining yield bonus doesn't make up for losing them to gankers. 2. Keep an eye on local, set your overview correctly and set any known ganking groups to -10. If anything in local goes flashy or is red, dock up. 3. Most importantly, realize that high sec is not meant to be a safe haven. There is no absolute safety in EVE and high sec isn't the safest place to mine in by far. I'd tell you to join a null-sec alliance and mine in null-sec, but I think most of null is currently on fire so that's not helpful at this point in time. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Jax Kazen Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage 44	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:28:28 - [10] - Quote Skiff - pure and simple
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1755	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:31:58 - [11] - Quote ... and nobody mentioned WoW? Eve is dieing for sure.... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Hawke Frost 42	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:39:46 - [12] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hello there! So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play. Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security. What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying. So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much! Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target). The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:41:48 - [13] - Quote DaReaper wrote: as a miner for 12 years... dude... 1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank. 2) mine with your friends 3) join another corp 4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them. Do I look like I am whining? And how did you get the feeling that I was AFK? Lessons learned man, don't worry!
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:43:49 - [14] - Quote Hawke Frost wrote: Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target). The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently. WoW! You didn't even read this thread did you? And you complaing about me not reading the forums. I wasn't AFK or anything dude. Chiiiiillll.
Hawke Frost 42	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:49:40 - [15] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hawke Frost wrote: Why should we care about someone who clearly never put in any active effort to read forums, local or anything where it states "if you use a Hulk in high sec and play afk expect to explode". Or more directly, why should we care about someone who plays the game in afk mode, you don't add anything to the sandbox (other than being a target). The recurring theme here is "you don't put in any effort". The game then rewards you with ****** boring game play, low income and involuntary explosions. Don't like the consequences of you choices, choose differently. WoW! You didn't even read this thread did you? And you complaing about me not reading the forums. I wasn't AFK or anything dude. Chiiiiillll. If you see them warping in, why weren't you warping out. Why weren't you running Dscan to check for ships like that. why the FCK are you even in a Hulk, why doesn't it have a dececnt tank, why did you lose your pod? Those questions are all answered by "effort, yo".
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 15282	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:52:13 - [16] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Do I look like I am whining? noooo not at all , definitely none of that going on in here, not one bit. also, if you saw them on dscan , why the ** didnt you warp off!? on a serious note, add code. ,goons and the lads that slapped you to your contacts as -5 or 10 and always have local open** Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26130	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:52:56 - [17] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hello there! So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play. If you see destroyers anywhere near a mining belt, especially Catalysts... GTFO Quote: Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security. What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying. Isk tanking is not a thing, the cost of your ship has absolutley no bearing on the cost of the ships required to kill it; it doesn't exist in the real world either. Quote: So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much! Such is the nature of the game, the tagline for the Citadel expansion was "Wreck Their Dreams"; CCP have delivered by letting someone wreck yours. Quote: Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! Why are you solo mining in a Hulk? The cargo is pants, the tank crap and the cost too much; it's meant to be used in a fleet with other Hulks and an Orca or Rorqual to take care of the cargo and tank issues. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:54:58 - [18] - Quote Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it? And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring ** you talk about? So it's boring as , not risky and the game is punishing me with **** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro.
Beta Maoye 113	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:57:39 - [19] - Quote Welcome to EVE. P.S. Check the killboard of Uedama before you fly your first freighter.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 17:59:42 - [20] - Quote @Jonah Gravenstein : You are right. I will consider your input. Thank you!
Hawke Frost 42	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:02:42 - [21] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it? And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring ** you talk about? So it's boring as , not risky and the game is punishing me with **** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro. Intelligent miners who put in brain effort will choose to do stuff that doesn't end up in them exploding. They do so by reading the forum, checking guides and whatnot. They quickly learn to not use a hulk, to fit shield extenders, to always orbit or be aligned, to Dscan and to fit their 700 mil hauling itty 5 with MWD and a cloak. Mining works fine for ppl with a working brain who aren't lazy, just like other parts of the game. Mining isn't the problem, gankers aren't the problem. YOU are the problem.
Jovian Angel Jovian Vengeance 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:07:28 - [22] - Quote As soon as you said "Im a miner" I lol'd However mining in a hulk in high sec is suicidal. Use a mack and be happy (with tank)
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:07:32 - [23] - Quote Hawke Frost wrote: Mikael Owen wrote: Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it? And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring ** you talk about? So it's boring as , not risky and the game is punishing me with **** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro. Intelligent miners who put in brain effort will choose to do stuff that doesn't end up in them exploding. They do so by reading the forum, checking guides and whatnot. They quickly learn to not use a hulk, to fit shield extenders, to always orbit or be aligned, to Dscan and to fit their 700 mil hauling itty 5 with MWD and a cloak. Mining works fine for ppl with a working brain who aren't lazy, just like other parts of the game. Mining isn't the problem, gankers aren't the problem. YOU are the problem. I think you are the problem here Hawke. I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro.
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 493	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:10:25 - [24] - Quote Buy and use a Skiff. Yeild is lesser, true, but it got a great tank and in the long run you will come up ahead ISK wise. Or run missions or do exploration for better income. Mining in 0.0 is way more profitable, and usually safer. Mail me in game if you want, I could refer you to someone who joined a Nulsec alliance and did just that with success. Sneaky bastard. FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join Run and Gun
Hawke Frost 42	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:15:57 - [25] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro. You're not "all ears", you made a whiny statement about how the design sucks, pointing fingers left and right. If you think that wasn't a whine post them uhm, yeah. Why should any one of us put in active into helping someone who hasn't put in the effort himself while sperging about the obvious outcome of that lack of effort. If you want help ask questions in a reasonable manner, if you sperg expect to get called on that.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:18:50 - [26] - Quote Hawke Frost wrote: Mikael Owen wrote: I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro. You're not "all ears", you made a whiny statement about how the design sucks, pointing fingers left and right. If you think that wasn't a whine post them uhm, yeah. Why should any one of us put in active into helping someone who hasn't put in the effort himself while sperging about the obvious outcome of that lack of effort. If you want help ask questions in a reasonable manner, if you sperg expect to get called on that. "I am all ears" and I accept, the mistake was on my part. Got it? Thanks for your input bro, non the less.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:20:27 - [27] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: Buy and use a Skiff. Yeild is lesser, true, but it got a great tank and in the long run you will come up ahead ISK wise. Or run missions or do exploration for better income. Mining in 0.0 is way more profitable, and usually safer. Mail me in game if you want, I could refer you to someone who joined a Nulsec alliance and did just that with success. Thank you for the offer!
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 299	Posted - 2016.04.30 19:13:11 - [28] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring ** you talk about? So it's boring as , not risky and the game is punishing me with **** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro. The issue isn't so much that Eve doesn't need mining, it does. The issue is more that the way you were doing it isn't really putting any sort of dent in that need and there are people/fleets out there doing it right. One lone Hulk in highsec is just asking for trouble. They don't have the tank to survive a gank and they are an attractive target because if the value of the kill mail. If you are solo, then give up the slightly higher yield and take an exhumer that is tanky. So go compare the ganks on Skiffs vs Hulks and you'll see that Skiffs are rarely ganked even though they are worth just as much. However, for your one player operation, if you want to increase income, then you would be better off putting that hauling character into a second mining ship, just going with T1 (procurers) and gaining efficiency in volume mined that way. Even accounting for warping to station to drop ore, you'll still make more ISK using 2 X T1 barges than you will off 1 X T2 exhumer and industrial. Not only more volume, but less of a gank target too.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1405	Posted - 2016.04.30 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote Use this and you are golden: [Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun... Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
Hawke Frost 47	Posted - 2016.04.30 19:48:47 - [30] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Use this and you are golden: [Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun... You don't need all that. You can replace the low slots with all MLU. Flying a skiff with any sort of logical shield tank is already enough to never become a target (unless you made it personal).
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1405	Posted - 2016.04.30 19:55:46 - [31] - Quote Hawke Frost wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Use this and you are golden: [Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Medium Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun... You don't need all that. You can replace the low slots with all MLU. Flying a skiff with any sort of logical shield tank is already enough to never become a target (unless you made it personal). Its to stop him going through the loss of a ship and a pod again, if he wants to reduce the tank then its his call, I just gave him the optimal anti-gank fit for the delicious Skiff, which causes CODE to sulk on the forums at times. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 988	Posted - 2016.04.30 20:04:03 - [32] - Quote "Maaaantiiiicoooore... Seeecuuuuriiityyyy... Soooluuuutiooooons" Just jotting that down - you know, for future reference. Also, the irony of corp name vs. op is not entirely lost on me.
Kieran Mobius Dragons of the Endless Void Lost Dragon Spires 0	Posted - 2016.04.30 20:15:54 - [33] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it? I'm assuming that you were multi-boxing by this statement. If I'm wrong, please forgive me and ignore the rest of this. I recommend next time you stay aligned on both toons and do a fleet warp. That way you are atleast making ready to warp on both and then you can turn on defensive modules.
Rook Moray Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 84	Posted - 2016.04.30 20:49:28 - [34] - Quote Why are you mining in HiSec? The real ISK is in Low and Null. For the same amount of time, you can make 10 times the ISK and be able to afford a fleet of ships. Get some buddies, scout out a good Corp, or just fit some cheap mining ships and do it ninja style. Sitting in HiSec is a waste of time and as you saw, leaves you open for a gank. GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7591	Posted - 2016.04.30 21:19:43 - [35] - Quote DaReaper wrote: as a miner for 12 years... dude... 1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank. 2) mine with your friends 3) join another corp 4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them. I would also recommend you join the gank intel channels. You might also consider rolling an alt and participating in fighting the people who did this do you. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 741	Posted - 2016.04.30 21:23:59 - [36] - Quote Oh stop whining already and use a Skiff instead... Ain't exactly breaking news.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17704	Posted - 2016.04.30 21:58:48 - [37] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hello there! So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play. Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security. What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying. So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much! Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! If only there were some choices you could have made that would have affected the outcome. But no "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 777	Posted - 2016.04.30 22:17:58 - [38] - Quote Page 2 and a representative of CODE. hasn't shown up to make you a very generous offer of protection? Man we are slacking today. It's a good deal though, a great deal even, some even say it's a steal.
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 308	Posted - 2016.04.30 22:29:45 - [39] - Quote Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. A case for more AoE in EvE
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 15290	Posted - 2016.04.30 22:39:16 - [40] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Page 2 and a representative of CODE. hasn't shown up to make you a very generous offer of protection? Man we are slacking today. It's a good deal though, a great deal even, some even say it's a steal. what happened with your private en-devour might i ask? feel free to hit me up in-game if you dont want to post about it, im legitimately curious Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 11854	Posted - 2016.04.30 22:49:25 - [41] - Quote Where were the Manticore Security Solutions when all this was going down? Seems to me your corp is all about the false advertising Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Pix Severus Empty You 4211	Posted - 2016.04.30 22:52:21 - [42] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: What a great design. What a great game to play. It isn't the game's fault you died, its your fault. It also isn't the ganker's fault you died, its your fault. If you die in EVE, it is because of a mistake you made, always, and just by looking at your killmail I can tell you made plenty. -ì-ä-à -£-à+¦-äGêâ-Ç
Scruffled South Lords 5	Posted - 2016.04.30 23:00:44 - [43] - Quote yooooo sorry i'm late on this TLDR: don't suck
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders 4381	Posted - 2016.05.01 00:28:50 - [44] - Quote Hey give the OP some slack. At a first glance, was a 50/50 troll or whine post. But a troll/whiner doesn't say 'thanks for advice' or 'my mistake' on page 1. So props to you, OP, EVE is complex and learning is the only way to survive and thrive. Consider trying PVP sometime, you look more like a fighter than a miner to me. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 131	Posted - 2016.05.01 00:58:54 - [45] - Quote Yeah, man. Jump right into those level 4 missions. It's a cake walk. Imagine people not doing this their first day!
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2016.05.01 02:11:42 - [46] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Have you ever been able to change someone's behavior by quoting that?
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 675	Posted - 2016.05.01 02:35:27 - [47] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! The lesson here is simple: don't fly Hulks. Hulks are made of tissue paper. They mine like bejeebus, but they asplode very satisfactorily with the merest caress of Void S. Get a Skiff. The lower yield will be more than offset by it's durability. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 300	Posted - 2016.05.01 03:45:36 - [48] - Quote Princess Adhara wrote: Mr Mieyli wrote: Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Have you ever been able to change someone's behavior by quoting that? No, but you can certainly call them insane with that quote.
Hawke Frost 54	Posted - 2016.05.01 03:48:50 - [49] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Princess Adhara wrote: Mr Mieyli wrote: Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Have you ever been able to change someone's behavior by quoting that? No, but you can certainly call them insane with that quote. thatsthejoke.jpg
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 164	Posted - 2016.05.01 05:34:16 - [50] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Hello there! So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play. Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly. Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too. 10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security. What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying. So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point! I am loving this game so freaking much! Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting! Did not read all the replies, so do not know if this has all been answered> 1) mine in a procurer. Most gankers will avoid it 2) Fit tank (mostly relevant for lowsec, as highsec gankers have done the numbers to make sure they bring enough to take down a tanked ship/ the best is not to get caught), not yield 3) find a quiet system so you notice when someone enters local 4) Use D-scan at different distances to see when someone get closer to you, especially look for catalysts. At all times 5)If someone gets closer you start aligned out to an instadock bookmark. There is a rig called a higgs anchor that will allow you to be aligned for a long time without gettiing out of mining range. As soon as they land on grid, Deactivate your mining lasers and hit warp. Make sure your path is free so you are not caught in asteroids. 6) If false alarm, reapproach the asteroid, bring your ship to a halt and be ready to align out again. If you do this, you are almost uncatchable These rules also apply for lowsec mining, where is would also recommend good drone skills as a procurer can kill most solo frigs, which is great fun. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 453	Posted - 2016.05.01 06:12:43 - [51] - Quote Use your map to look for signs of ganking, places like Uedama show you like light bulbs for there ship kills, join the Anti-ganking channel for up dates on any active ganking and use our ganking app. Keep away from the main trade pipes, by the time gankers attack you, they know if they are going to win, maybe a scout will have scan you for your fit, scouts also provide a warp in so gankers land right on top of you, so it helps to be moving all the time, local is your best friend, find a system will low population ask other miners about any local gankers to look out for, mine mission sites but watch for probes. The other thing you can is to look at killboards for the system you want to mine in, look at the type of kills and the players doing this killing, try and find a corp that plays EvE how you like to play and at the same time. Just some tips off the top of my head hope they help and ask for help if you need it, remember it's not the game that's wrong it's just a sandbox and some gankers work hard to find ways to kill you just as AG try to find ways to stop them. A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Mikael Owen Manticore Security Solutions 8	Posted - 2016.05.01 07:17:11 - [52] - Quote Thank you all for you inputs. When I re-activated my account I had a Mackinaw and I thought why I am not using a Hulk instead. The old me from a couple years back probably knew Hulks were getting ganked easily and they were for mining operations. I am rusty and somewhat "bound" to make mistakes I guess. At first, when I just lost a day's worth of course I was discourage, but that we go over it with you all I know that was purely an error on my part and I am no longer feeling bad about. I learned (relearned) a lot. Thank you all! Fly safe!
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 60	Posted - 2016.05.01 08:47:32 - [53] - Quote These are my favorite kinds of threads. Here's my obligatory tip. Train up Caldari Battleship, fit a Rokh with 8 mining lasers, get a friend, shoot rocks with Rokh, dump the ore into a jet can, have friend pick up jet can and haul ore to station. The Rokh has a tremendous tank and if a pair of catalysts see it, they going to go after the idiot mining next to you because he's piloting a Hulk.
Rumbless Not The Droids You Are Looking For 15	Posted - 2016.05.01 09:24:16 - [54] - Quote Get a skiff and it will take a lot more than 2 catalysts to blow you up.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 6025	Posted - 2016.05.01 09:35:32 - [55] - Quote Mining Safely
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 40	Posted - 2016.05.01 09:45:49 - [56] - Quote Well, why does a 250+M Isk Isk-making-ship blow up to some ****** 10+M Isk ships? Yes the OP made mistakes but he points at a general problem. What would you expect to happen when the same guys jumped a Mission ship in the same price class? Would you even bother to look what sort of flys is tickeling at your shield? Why do such valuable ships have such horrible attacks? Yes they have some drones, colour me impressed. If mining ships have a capable offence there would be a lot more mining in low/Null because the risk would be much smaller to get killed by any lone ganker. If you attack a normal mission ship that is 3 times your value you will not stand a bad chance if you not planed very carefully. If you do it to miners they will stand no chance. CCP should balance the mining ships to be more self sufficient and not be dependent on others, may it be Concord or some friends, for defense. And Weapons are defense for these ships because if you blow something to kingdom come you reduce the incoming damage. Any ratting ship is self sufficient and you even find totally self sufficient ships like the Marauders. There is nothing like this in the mining/freigther department. If you are tackled you are dead, end of story, because the only limit the attacker has to kill you is the downtime (in low/Null). These ships should stand no chance against battleships in the same "weight" Class but at the moment they loose against everything that can fit a turret/launcher.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders 4384	Posted - 2016.05.01 09:54:58 - [57] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Well, why does a 250+M Isk Isk-making-ship blow up to some ****** 10+M Isk ships? Yes the OP made mistakes but he points at a general problem. What would you expect to happen when the same guys jumped a Mission ship in the same price class? Would you even bother to look what sort of flys is tickeling at your shield? Why do such valuable ships have such horrible attacks? Yes they have some drones, colour me impressed. If mining ships have a capable offence there would be a lot more mining in low/Null because the risk would be much smaller to get killed by any lone ganker. If you attack a normal mission ship that is 3 times your value you will not stand a bad chance if you not planed very carefully. If you do it to miners they will stand no chance. CCP should balance the mining ships to be more self sufficient and not be dependent on others, may it be Concord or some friends, for defense. And Weapons are defense for these ships because if you blow something to kingdom come you reduce the incoming damage. Any ratting ship is self sufficient and you even find totally self sufficient ships like the Marauders. There is nothing like this in the mining/freigther department. If you are tackled you are dead, end of story, because the only limit the attacker has to kill you is the downtime (in low/Null). These ships should stand no chance against battleships in the same "weight" Class but at the moment they loose against everything that can fit a turret/launcher. Skiff can be pretty nasty. If you make mining ships combat capable, then they become combat ships. We already have plenty of those! At Fanfest CCP said they would give a new gimmick to the Rorqual, a sort of invulnerability field to keep miners alive (but can't move) until help arrives. Good idea to promote PVE-PVP interaction other than pure ganks, imo. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1126	Posted - 2016.05.01 10:04:13 - [58] - Quote Mikael Owen wrote: Thank you all for you inputs. When I re-activated my account I had a Mackinaw and I thought why I am not using a Hulk instead. The old me from a couple years back probably knew Hulks were getting ganked easily and they were for mining operations. I am rusty and somewhat "bound" to make mistakes I guess. At first, when I just lost a day's worth of course I was discourage, but that we go over it with you all I know that was purely an error on my part and I am no longer feeling bad about. I learned (relearned) a lot. Thank you all! Fly safe! +1 to OP for good attitude. Remove insurance.
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 62	Posted - 2016.05.01 10:04:51 - [59] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Well, why does a 250+M Isk Isk-making-ship blow up to some ****** 10+M Isk ships? Yes the OP made mistakes but he points at a general problem. What would you expect to happen when the same guys jumped a Mission ship in the same price class? Would you even bother to look what sort of flys is tickeling at your shield? Why do such valuable ships have such horrible attacks? Yes they have some drones, colour me impressed. If mining ships have a capable offence there would be a lot more mining in low/Null because the risk would be much smaller to get killed by any lone ganker. If you attack a normal mission ship that is 3 times your value you will not stand a bad chance if you not planed very carefully. If you do it to miners they will stand no chance. CCP should balance the mining ships to be more self sufficient and not be dependent on others, may it be Concord or some friends, for defense. And Weapons are defense for these ships because if you blow something to kingdom come you reduce the incoming damage. Any ratting ship is self sufficient and you even find totally self sufficient ships like the Marauders. There is nothing like this in the mining/freigther department. If you are tackled you are dead, end of story, because the only limit the attacker has to kill you is the downtime (in low/Null). These ships should stand no chance against battleships in the same "weight" Class but at the moment they loose against everything that can fit a turret/launcher. You can put mining lasers on every Marauder but the Golem.
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 40	Posted - 2016.05.01 11:06:07 - [60] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Skiff can be pretty nasty. If you make mining ships combat capable, then they become combat ships. We already have plenty of those! At Fanfest CCP said they would give a new gimmick to the Rorqual, a sort of invulnerability field to keep miners alive (but can't move) until help arrives. Good idea to promote PVE-PVP interaction other than pure ganks, imo. A mining ship shouldn't be able to stand up to battelship in the in the same weight class but if it just has 75% of a battleship it would be a bad combat ship but a nightmare to anyone who wants a fast gank. The other thing is: If you beef up freighters/miners you can slow down Concord since it would take longer for attackers which would enable more player actions cause at there isn't much anti-ganking because it's over so quick either way. I think Concord/game mechanic is always the worst option if players can do the job.
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 63	Posted - 2016.05.01 11:16:21 - [61] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Skiff can be pretty nasty. If you make mining ships combat capable, then they become combat ships. We already have plenty of those! At Fanfest CCP said they would give a new gimmick to the Rorqual, a sort of invulnerability field to keep miners alive (but can't move) until help arrives. Good idea to promote PVE-PVP interaction other than pure ganks, imo. A mining ship shouldn't be able to stand up to battelship in the in the same weight class but if it just has 75% of a battleship it would be a bad combat ship but a nightmare to anyone who wants a fast gank. The other thing is: If you beef up freighters/miners you can slow down Concord since it would take longer for attackers which would enable more player actions cause at there isn't much anti-ganking because it's over so quick either way. I think Concord/game mechanic is always the worst option if players can do the job. Then why not give battleships 75% of the mining vessels efficiency?
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 41	Posted - 2016.05.01 11:30:27 - [62] - Quote Why not? If you want to mine in an Machariel, do it.
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 63	Posted - 2016.05.01 11:35:48 - [63] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Why not? If you want to mine in an Machariel, do it. The Rokh has a better tank and can fit 8 mining lasers vs. 7.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2451	Posted - 2016.05.01 12:02:19 - [64] - Quote Hello OP I reviewed the kill and must say I was shocked to find you did not even own a mining permit. As you know all Highsec is New Order territory and therefor you agreed to follow the Code when you started mining there. Why would you steal our ore without a permit? Who is there real criminal in this story? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 64	Posted - 2016.05.01 12:15:27 - [65] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Hello OP I reviewed the kill and must say I was shocked to find you did not even own a mining permit. As you know all Highsec is New Order territory and therefor you agreed to follow the Code when you started mining there. Why would you steal our ore without a permit? Who is there real criminal in this story? I'll bet he didn't "gf" in local either.
cBOLTSON Star Frontiers Brotherhood of Spacers 158	Posted - 2016.05.01 12:25:09 - [66] - Quote The fallacy is that High Sec is safe. I seriously believe that with a little training and knowledge, joining a nullsec corp or alliance and mining in nullsec is actually safer. (Apart from those new rats i hear about maybe) The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......
Rumbless Not The Droids You Are Looking For 16	Posted - 2016.05.01 12:47:57 - [67] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Hello OP I reviewed the kill and must say I was shocked to find you did not even own a mining permit. As you know all Highsec is New Order territory and therefor you agreed to follow the Code when you started mining there. Why would you steal our ore without a permit? Who is there real criminal in this story? I was shocked that none of the gankers had a ganking permit
Hawke Frost 55	Posted - 2016.05.01 12:53:41 - [68] - Quote Rumbless wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Hello OP I reviewed the kill and must say I was shocked to find you did not even own a mining permit. As you know all Highsec is New Order territory and therefor you agreed to follow the Code when you started mining there. Why would you steal our ore without a permit? Who is there real criminal in this story? I was shocked that none of the gankers had a ganking permit tenbucks
Kitsune Rei Tastes Like Purple 64	Posted - 2016.05.01 13:28:47 - [69] - Quote Rumbless wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Hello OP I reviewed the kill and must say I was shocked to find you did not even own a mining permit. As you know all Highsec is New Order territory and therefor you agreed to follow the Code when you started mining there. Why would you steal our ore without a permit? Who is there real criminal in this story? I was shocked that none of the gankers had a ganking permit You could always enforce compliance by shooting at them.
W33b3l Conquest and Kittens 89	Posted - 2016.05.01 14:36:33 - [70] - Quote You can set up a Skiff to mine as well as a hulk or close and the amount of dessys required to pop one isn't worth what might drop out of the hold. So you should be able to mine all day in one and not be bothered at all. Unless you pissed somone off and it's some kind of self satisfiying revenge gank someone is pulling in you, in wich case welcome to EVE.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 389	Posted - 2016.05.01 16:35:30 - [71] - Quote Seriously the best advice is to join a null group, plenty of them have ore buyback programs and you'll get Jita buy prices without all the dumb effort it takes to get it there. On top of that you'll have like 10 jumps warning if a neutral appears so you can be aligned away no problem. @lunettelulu7
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2451	Posted - 2016.05.01 18:51:18 - [72] - Quote Rumbless wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Hello OP I reviewed the kill and must say I was shocked to find you did not even own a mining permit. As you know all Highsec is New Order territory and therefor you agreed to follow the Code when you started mining there. Why would you steal our ore without a permit? Who is there real criminal in this story? I was shocked that none of the gankers had a ganking permit Sounds like extortion to me the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.