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Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:10:00 -
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1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.
WHY!
a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL
2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable
WHY!
a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc
There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.
Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
62
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:21:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video? I hear good ideas are illegal in Iceland.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
555
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:24:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.
WHY!
a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL
2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable
WHY!
a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc
There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.
Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?
while the ideas are good and fairly sound, the real problem is trust.
most pilots will be fairly cautious of ransom offers, since its not too uncommon for modern pirates to just take the money and harvest even more tears
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Barbens
Uneducated Soldiers
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:29:00 -
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Pirate tears, best tears |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
193
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:30:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Trevor Eve wrote:1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.
WHY!
a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL
2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable
WHY!
a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc
There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.
Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video? while the ideas are good and fairly sound, the real problem is trust. most pilots will be fairly cautious of ransom offers, since its not too uncommon for modern pirates to just take the money and harvest even more tears
Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
571
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:33:00 -
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Or, you know, have regular cargo scanners scan both corp bays and pods.
That's the only feature.
And the corp hangar stuff should always drop as regular loot.
I would classify it not dropping as a bug that needs to be fixed.
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Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:33:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
while the ideas are good and fairly sound, the real problem is trust.
most pilots will be fairly cautious of ransom offers, since its not too uncommon for modern pirates to just take the money and harvest even more tears
Good point, but this is already the case with ship ransoms, and "reputable" pirate corps will gain / have gained a reputation as being good for their word.
If a pod pilot thinks he might not be able to trust the enemy pirates, a suitable lower figure can be negotiated eg:
Pilot in pod scrammed has 3 bill in implants (crystal set)
Pirates offer him 1 bill ransom to be let go
He dosent really trust them and offers 500 mill as his assessment of risk/reward ratio
Pirates accept, and pod flys off
An incentive for "honourable" pirating will be the reputation gained by sticking to your word. Then the honourable pirates can demand a higher payout. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
58
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:36:00 -
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Well the corp is suppose to be strong, why everyone is forced to join it and have to be in one to set up a pos. Main reason you have to destroy control tower not scoop it, since a team who is stronger then an individual set it up, not an individual can scoop it. Be too easy for something so strong.
So I dont really like an individual easily scanning a corp bay since its to easy to deal with a strong thing. Be more like a titan could scan a corp bay or so then some piece of sh*t ship with a wanker flying it. |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:37:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Or, you know, have regular cargo scanners scan both corp bays and pods.
That's the only feature.
Sure! That will work.
CCP could tweak the cargo scanner, or the ship scanner, or invent a new module, or even add a role to another ship "Zephry allows usage of pod scanner" depending on ease and balance.
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:38:00 -
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1) anti passive targeter modul
2) anti cargo scanner modul
And WTF POD-scanner? So no reson to scan a POD, it can't drob anything anyway!
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:39:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:1) anti passive targeter modul
2) anti cargo scanner modul
And WTF POD-scanner? So no reson to scan a POD, it can't drob anything anyway!
Ransom
Instead of today's insta squish
Next time you die and are typing " I WILL PAY 4..." oh **** ive been podded, you know with pod scaner they would be taking a look at your implants and offering you a deal. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:45:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:
Next time you die and are typing " I WILL PAY 4..." oh **** ive been podded, you know with pod scaner they would be taking a look at your implants and offering you a deal.
Next time? ROFL!
1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not
2) no change to status quo
3) before I would pay any wannabe mini rambo a ransom, I would selve destruct my POD!
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:46:00 -
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Gogela wrote:
Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.
Sure, so you gain reputation as not honour ransom. Pods then do not pay ransom. You do not get 500 million isk in wallet.
And you go back to scooping 4 x Tech II modules from drake kills and complaining that piracy is not profitable.
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Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
87
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:49:00 -
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Revamped bounty system and transferable killrights might encourage pirates to ransom and not kill since then there could be some actual consequences other than loss of sec status. |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:49:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Trevor Eve wrote:
Next time you die and are typing " I WILL PAY 4..." oh **** ive been podded, you know with pod scaner they would be taking a look at your implants and offering you a deal.
Next time? ROFL! 1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not 2) no change to status quo 3) before I would pay any wannabe mini rambo a ransom, I would selve destruct my POD!
YEs Yes Yes, many pilots I NEVER PAY RANSOMS blah blah get on high horse.
You would not be affected.
1) Your pod would be scrammed
2) You would be offered 140 mill pod ransom
3) You would go "HA I WILL NEVER PAY TERRORISTS ISK"
4) You get podded
End result is same as pre pod scanner. So you have lost nothing.
So what is to complain about pod scanner?
Ask pilot who loses HG crystal set if he would have risked a 250 million payement to get his pod out? Not just some cheapskate flying round in +2 implants with free cpp hardwire |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:51:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:Revamped bounty system and transferable killrights might encourage pirates to ransom and not kill since then there could be some actual consequences other than loss of sec status.
Agreed, but this is difficult to design fairly and difficult to code to satisfaction.
Pod scanner will take limited time and act as small stop gap to allow pirates a bone (last bone was in 2007 with HIC - dont even mention the BS rat in belt rubbish)
Whats to lose with a pod scanner?!
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:51:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:Gogela wrote:
Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.
Sure, so you gain reputation as not honour ransom.
You are a dreamer.
99,99% of the current playerbase will NEVER know the name of any Pirate and even if, they don't care about his "reputation". Most of them see Pirates as what they are: criminal idiots, who want to kill other peoples fun.
And with this, there is nothing like "reputation" for Pirates. Any victim knows: if my POD is tackeld, I can buy new implants and my day is ******.
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:55:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Trevor Eve wrote:Gogela wrote:
Confirmed. I for one would ransom and kill anyway.
Sure, so you gain reputation as not honour ransom. You are a dreamer. 99,99% of the current playerbase will NEVER know the name of any Pirate and even if, they don't care about his "reputation". Most of them see Pirates as what they are: criminal idiots, who want to kill other peoples fun. And with this, there is nothing like "reputation" for Pirates. Any victim knows: if my POD is tackeld, I can buy new implants and my day is ******.
As I say before, you can choose what you wish to do. Me pod scanning you does not force isk out of your wallet like tractor beam
All pilots can refuse ransom. All pilots can accept ransom.
Heck, even 200 mill for a HG crystal set I would take and let pod go.
Player like you would pay 3 bill for new implants rather then 200 mill to risk being backstabed.
Pirate making 200 mill from pod would have to kill 50 drakes without dieing to make the same profit. So most would take.
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Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:58:00 -
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Nothing to stop you tackling pirate pod and ransoming him BTW, is 2 way street |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:58:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:
So what is to complain about pod scanner?
It is FAR to easy and has FAR to less risk for Pirates allready! There is absolut no reason, to make Pirates life even more easier!
You know Risk v Reward ?? Yes you do !! It's this stupid brain dead argument Pirates, null and low sec player ALLWAYS bring.
WHERE IS YOUR RISK ???
Sec status ?? MEGA ROFL
No win from ganking ?? IMPOSIBLE as you know 100% what your vitim is carriing looooooong before you gank him !!
And he can do NOTHING to avoid this as there are NO COUNTER MODULS for pasive targeter and cargo scanners !
Atm there are just two workarounds to counter this damn OP moduls which make Pirate life so ******* easy.
Transport contracts .... your next wish right? Transport contract scanner? ROFL !
Corp Hangers in Orcas.
So before you have the right to ask for anything .... ASK FOR DAMN BALANCE SO YOUR VICTIMS GET THE SAME CHANGS AS YOU !!
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:02:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Trevor Eve wrote:
So what is to complain about pod scanner?
It is FAR to easy and has FAR to less risk for Pirates allready! There is absolut no reason, to make Pirates life even more easier! You know Risk v Reward ?? Yes you do !! It's this stupid brain dead argument Pirates, null and low sec player ALLWAYS bring. WHERE IS YOUR RISK ???Sec status ?? MEGA ROFL No win from ganking ?? IMPOSIBLE as you know 100% what your vitim is carriing looooooong before you gank him !! And he can do NOTHING to avoid this as there are NO COUNTER MODULS for pasive targeter and cargo scanners ! Atm there are just two workarounds to counter this damn OP moduls which make Pirate life so ******* easy. Transport contracts .... your next wish right? Transport contract scanner? ROFL ! Corp Hangers in Orcas. So before you have the right to ask for anything .... ASK FOR DAMN BALANCE SO YOUR VICTIMS GET THE SAME CHANGS AS YOU !!
Sigh
You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.
Pod scanning someone in highsec and trying to ransom him would not work as concord would come pew you before you had even opened the conversation.
Pod scanning would not effect high sec ganking / suiciding in any way. High sec ganking is already one of the most profitable ways to make isk in the game.
Low sec piraracy however, is the worst profession in terms of isk earnings in the entire game. Hence the suggestion of some bones to be thrown. Thank you.
(edit: someone will now link a killmail from 1962 which shows some loot dropped in low sec. This is not indicitive of low sec piracy earnging) |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:05:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:So most would take.
And after they took the ISK ... they shot the POD for lulz .... as allways!
So why the **** should someone pay?
It's a scam as you lie to him "if you pay I don't shot you".
After he paid you and you shot him anyway you write him a mail "MUHUHAAAA ... NOOB".
THIS is the reputation of ANY Pirat !
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:07:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:
You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.
Ohhh .. ok, let's remove any ship scanner ... shot first then ask. No reason to wast time with scanning before looting.
Ups sorry, I forgot you want to scam ISK before you loot.
PS:
In the long past (short after release) there might be some Pirates where other knew: he will let me alife when I payed.
Today realy everyone EXPECT to be scammed and killed no matter if he pay or not!
-> no reason to introduce ANY modul which favors PirateS, Gankers or other criminals !
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Trevor Eve
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:09:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Trevor Eve wrote:
You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.
Ohhh .. ok, let's remove any ship scanner ... shot first then ask. No reason to wast time with scanning before looting. Ups sorry, I forgot you want to scam ISK before you loot.
Ok now you annoy me, when I capture your pod i will impose 14% extra on ransom demand as penalty for forum rubbish post. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:11:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Trevor Eve wrote:
You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.
Ohhh .. ok, let's remove any ship scanner ... shot first then ask. No reason to wast time with scanning before looting. Ups sorry, I forgot you want to scam ISK before you loot. Ok now you annoy me, when I capture your pod i will impose 14% extra on ransom demand as penalty for forum rubbish post.
Not worth it, just common L4 imps from missions ;).
Don't scan just shot ... will happen anyway.
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
293
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:36:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not
Pretty much wrong.
Plenty of people i met are honoring ransoms.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
17
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:40:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not Pretty much wrong. Plenty of people i met are honoring ransoms.
Pritty much wrong.
Every time someone tackled me in low/null I was dead before I could write a singel word.
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:48:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.
WHY!
a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL
2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable
WHY!
a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc
There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.
Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?
Lol, lazypirate much?
Sooo...in the EVE universe no one would develop scan mitigation and we should just transmit a copy of our manifest?
Welcome to game meets Real Life...if the technology is available anyone willing to pay for it should be able to keep their cargo secret...it's bad enough we have to pretend that a high tech civilization would NOT use automated mining to save on personnel costs. |
Typherian
Legio Invicta
Many Reckless Corps
1
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Posted - 2011.12.19 03:27:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not Pretty much wrong. Plenty of people i met are honoring ransoms. Pritty much wrong. Every time someone tackled me in low/null I was dead before I could write a singel word.
They probably shot you because you cannot do a few things.
A) spell properly
B) form coherent sentences
C) articulate simple points in an understandable manner
I would suggest you return to your second or third grade classroom for further instruction. In the mean time your browser will underline misspelled words in red to assist you. If you correct the deficiencies in your spelling and grammar I assure you pirates will take the time to properly ransom you and allow you to fly free after paying the agreed upon amount.
Also I have an answer for the question in your sig. A likely reason that you cannot use capital RR or local reps on an orca is because it would be very unbalanced. Allowing a capital ship to use the massive RR and tank capabilities in highsec where no DPS capital can travel is a pretty obvious imbalance. It would also make station games an even larger pain in the donkey with capital reps on the field. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2011.12.19 03:40:00 -
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Trevor Eve wrote:b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL
Everyone knows that they will be killed even if they pay the ransom on their ship/pod and you know it. Sadly the days of Catch and Release of the real pirates back in the day is long gone and most likely will never come back. 
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