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Allan Robertson Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:49:00 - [31] As the current game mechanics stand PA and others like them are not breaking any ingame mechanics, what they are doing is abusing the war declaration system to turn Empire into a easy 0.0 for PvP only. It's nothing new and they are not pushing the boundaries of game play in EVE they are just a group of PvP nuts who are too lazy to go into 0.0 and take part in real PvP, instead they chose highsec ganking. --- FORGIVE t20!
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:54:00 - [32] Even though I'm currently war decced with them and they do indeed create problems for me while I move about empire with my hauler (no more AFKing), Privateers Alliance is probably one of the best concepts to ever be created in Eve. Finally there is an outlet for PIRATES who wish to engage ships all along the 'shipping lanes' that they would otherwise have to sit around and wait for at a gate in low sec. It's the difference between fishing with a rod and reel at a pier somewhere or diving in and using a spear gun. One way is MUCH more pro-active than the other. Everyone is having a stupid contest, and you're in first place!
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 14:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Gift I'm in it for the griefing. I don't grief and loot is secondary for me. I just like breaking eggs. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Bull61 The Renegade Order Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:05:00 - [34] I lost a hauler to a Privateer camped outside the station I was in. I was initially ****ed but I learned what not to do. They're tactics are as legitimate as any other's. Part of the game, and all that... /Noob, but learning.
Bull61 The Renegade Order Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:06:00 - [35] Odd... I wonder why my Corp and Alliance info isn't shown...
Bull61 The Renegade Order Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:08:00 - [36] They're = Their
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:26:00 - [37] Edited by: Zaqar on 22/02/2007 15:23:00 They are operating within the rules of the game, so who cares if its 'griefing' or not? Its just a term from other games that generally doesn't apply in Eve. Baiting newbies & killing them outside the newbie station probably is griefing, but I can't think of much else that is.
Valkazm Amarr ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:48:00 - [38] Dont forget there a nice target for bored people aswell so dont think to many are complaning .. Step into the darkness
Harry Paratesteas Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:30:00 - [39] Well I've been asking questions from people from different alliances. These are not my views as I'm just learning. I will keep their names & alliances private. The Good 1) They are alright. They introduce a certain aspect in the game to those that think that this is going to be easy. They weed out the weak and those that are looking for a quick easy MMO. 2) Great job they are doing. Keeps with the spirt of what EvE is all about. The Bad 1) They are using the wardec as a easy PvP instrument. all they do is pay to wardec, while these alliances work to get & maintain sov in their systems. These guys don't do any work to maintain such space & use npc stations. 2) They must be working for BoB & LV. You don't see too many of them kills on their killboard. Damn griefers. 3) They are just a bunch of ****s. F* them. They take on the easiest targets from different alliances. Usually these are people that are carebearing or new. 4) Let them come out and work for their space just like everyone else. These guys wouldn't last a month in 0.0. It's easy to just wardec someone and fly in noob space & kill under 6 month characters. The Ugly 1) F* them. They can eat my F* F****ng greifers.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Decard Sune PA and SO are just griefers, any time they face opposition that could actually inflict some loses they flee or log off. Favourite tactics include station camping. Lick my **** alt boy. Privateers are fantastic at what they do and i'm proud and thrilled to fly with them. Station camping is an unfortunate but necessary part of hisec PvP, but so is roaming, gate camping, interceptors and every other part of this game you want to whine about. We can't just sit in belts all day and hope someone jumps on us. Build a bridge, get over it. You mean grief and play cheap game mechanics? Ya. they do that well, I agree. ________________________________________________________
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Harry ParatesteasThe Bad 1) They are using the wardec as a easy PvP instrument. all they do is pay to wardec, while these alliances work to get & maintain sov in their systems. These guys don't do any work to maintain such space & use npc stations. 2) They must be working for BoB & LV. You don't see too many of them kills on their killboard. Damn griefers. 3) They are just a bunch of ****s. F* them. They take on the easiest targets from different alliances. Usually these are people that are carebearing or new. 4) Let them come out and work for their space just like everyone else. These guys wouldn't last a month in 0.0. It's easy to just wardec someone and fly in noob space & kill under 6 month characters. [/quote 1) yeah its so fun it must be a broken mechanic, but considering we spend over 2 bil per week on wardecs anyone could do it, but they'd rather buy cap ships and shoot pos's 2) no bob and LV use alts to buy stuff like Constructive Influence and a few other corps that have been spamming the forums after their mains got gagged like ascn pilots did 3) yeah a lot of them are new, but when you put 0.0 corps that have better records than corps 4x their size and some alliances and let them loose in Privateers stuff hits the fan in bad way 4) Yes we would all die like chumps in 0.0 pls continue to attack us with gangs assuming we are chumnps
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Dirtball 1) yeah its so fun it must be a broken mechanic, but considering we spend over 2 bil per week on wardecs anyone could do it, but they'd rather buy cap ships and shoot pos's Well damn I guess everyone elses argument just goes to hell cause after all.. you're paying 2bill a week. PA paying 2bill a week officially makes everything they do alright... /sarcasm ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Well I've been asking questions from people from different alliances. These are not my views as I'm just learning. I will keep their names & alliances private. The Good 1) They are alright. They introduce a certain aspect in the game to those that think that this is going to be easy. They weed out the weak and those that are looking for a quick easy MMO. 2) Great job they are doing. Keeps with the spirt of what EvE is all about. The Bad 1) They are using the wardec as a easy PvP instrument. all they do is pay to wardec, while these alliances work to get & maintain sov in their systems. These guys don't do any work to maintain such space & use npc stations. 2) They must be working for BoB & LV. You don't see too many of them kills on their killboard. Damn griefers. 3) They are just a bunch of ****s. F* them. They take on the easiest targets from different alliances. Usually these are people that are carebearing or new. 4) Let them come out and work for their space just like everyone else. These guys wouldn't last a month in 0.0. It's easy to just wardec someone and fly in noob space & kill under 6 month characters. The Ugly 1) F* them. They can eat my F* F**ng greifers. In response to bad point 1: There are many alliances that don't claim space so you've earned 1 STFU so far. In response to point 2: Maybe BoB and LV aren't dumb enough to afk their haulers or have the sense to use an NPC corp hauler contact (alt(lame)) So theres another STFU for you my little conspiracy theorist In Response to point 3: If you see a slice of pie down a serene meadow and you see a dead possum down the path of turmoil which would you choose? Most likely the pie (don't say you don't like pie since every one likes pie) that is easily obtained ie: the afk hauler filled with goodies. So thats another STFU for you. In response to point 4: I don't see you working for your own space. What have you contributed to the state war academy? Your most likely in that corp because your cowering in fear of the new boogey men of empire space. Not every one goes into 0.0 And in response to your last point: Is that even english? and I quote " them. They can eat my ***** griefers. Once again what? So that adds another STFU So you have earned 5 STFU's and you have created privateer whine thread 137-C thank you come again.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:19:00 - [44] Eh, I have no beef what what PA does. I think its a good model and works well. The problem is the stuff I see them do in Jita. Leaving 3-4 cans sitting in front of a hanger to stop ships from coming out and warping off. This is the kind of stuff that I think is ultra lame. ________________________________________________________
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Dirtball 1) yeah its so fun it must be a broken mechanic, but considering we spend over 2 bil per week on wardecs anyone could do it, but they'd rather buy cap ships and shoot pos's Well damn I guess everyone elses argument just goes to hell cause after all.. you're paying 2bill a week. PA paying 2bill a week officially makes everything they do alright... /sarcasm I suggest reading that quote in your sig. You are the pest and they are doing the controlling
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:46:00 - [46] Originally by: mechtech You can't just say they are griefers right off the bat like that. They aren't in it for a fair fight, or even to win fights for that matter. PA & SA are just in it for fun. Dying isn't fun, thus they avoid fights where they will die. Richer privateers will often go into tough fights though, because the isk loss isn't enough to make it unfun. See, they go by a different scale, very few other corps have players who truly play only for fun. Most players have other, long term goals, like isk gain, or furthering their corp's cause. Wrong, all the corp (and all the players are gaming for fun. The difference is that Privaters and theyr ilk think that PvP is the only fun, and that senseless PvP is MORE fun. I have nothing against them when they war declare because they have been payd, or to gain loot, but mostly they do it to gank weak targets, with little or no gain for them. So most of them find fun destroying the fun of other people.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: mechtech I have nothing against them when they war declare because they have been payd, or to gain loot, but mostly they do it to gank weak targets, with little or no gain for them. Go shoot some haulers and see how little of a gain you get
Gerog Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:51:00 - [48] Edited by: Gerog on 26/02/2007 19:49:18 Edited by: Gerog on 26/02/2007 19:48:14 Huh? would you guys quit it. plz Gerog
Harry Paratesteas Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:56:00 - [49] Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 26/02/2007 19:55:13 Originally by: FromBeyond TheGrave So that adds another STFU So you have earned 5 STFU's and you have created privateer whine thread 137-C thank you come again. These are not my views but the views of others, if you happen to read my all of my post and which you quoted in your post. In retort, does my 5 "earned" STFU = 1 you're an idiot?
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 26/02/2007 19:55:13 Originally by: FromBeyond TheGrave So that adds another STFU So you have earned 5 STFU's and you have created privateer whine thread 137-C thank you come again. These are not my views but the views of others, if you happen to read my all of my post and which you quoted in your post. In retort, does my 5 "earned" STFU = 1 you're an idiot? No no I just filter out all non flammable material
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:07:00 - [51] Originally by: FromBeyond TheGrave Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: mechtech I have nothing against them when they war declare because they have been payd, or to gain loot, but mostly they do it to gank weak targets, with little or no gain for them. Go shoot some haulers and see how little of a gain you get If it is so renumerative, why the different corporation forming the alliance drop off to restock doing PvE?
Serret Nevets Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:12:00 - [52] Privi's are currently at war with my alliance. Personally, I think it make Empire travel a lot more entertaining. I'm definitely not as board jumping from system to system. My feelings are, if they have the isk, let the war dec's continue. Eve is too cool. Spanking or being spanked... it's up to you.
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:15:00 - [53] While what they do is weak, I wouldn't say it's a bad use of game mechanics. At least not to me. If somebody can afford to war dec all of New Eden then let them. The money will run out eventually and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The war door swings both ways. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Harry Paratesteas Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Venkul Mul If it is so renumerative, why the different corporation forming the alliance drop off to restock doing PvE?[/quote If what you say is true, do you have something to back it up? Can we hear from anyone in PA if they do this practice? That would be considered "dirty pool" wouldn't it?
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:25:00 - [55] What they do isn't against the rules but they push it right up to the limit. I seriously doubt the devs ever thought of someone doing this but that doesn't mean they are exploiting. The war dec system could use some tweaking though to discourage it. My personal opinion is that these guys give pvp a bad name and are quite lame. They should grow a set and do some real fighting one day. T2 fitted HAC vs. Bestower isn't real pvp. Pffft!
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:40:00 - [56] Originally by: FromBeyond TheGrave Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Dirtball 1) yeah its so fun it must be a broken mechanic, but considering we spend over 2 bil per week on wardecs anyone could do it, but they'd rather buy cap ships and shoot pos's Well damn I guess everyone elses argument just goes to hell cause after all.. you're paying 2bill a week. PA paying 2bill a week officially makes everything they do alright... /sarcasm I suggest reading that quote in your sig. You are the pest and they are doing the controlling Wow.. imaginative comeback (not really).. pity it falls flat as I am not at war with the PA nor have I ever seen them.. GG try again champ ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
x racer Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:54:00 - [57] Join a 0.0 corp, move to 0.0, and use an alt to go to empire for you and you will never ever see a Privateer. They are .8+ gankers and wont fight a fair fight. I like them alot cuz it keeps our alliance members with carebear tendencies in 0.0 :) lol x
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Forum Alt What they do isn't against the rules but they push it right up to the limit. I seriously doubt the devs ever thought of someone doing this but that doesn't mean they are exploiting. The war dec system could use some tweaking though to discourage it. How so? They pay a lot of isk/week to wardec their targets, and its not like their targets cant fight back. Quote: My personal opinion is that these guys give pvp a bad name and are quite lame. They should grow a set and do some real fighting one day. T2 fitted HAC vs. Bestower isn't real pvp. Pffft! Its their play style, acting like real pirates ganking weak ships and running from larger gangs. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. They're in it for the fun and easy ganks.
Hauler McTote	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:36:00 - [59] Quote: don't say you don't like pie since everyone like pie Cake is good, but really, pie pwns cake. CCP admires PvP in all its forms, and will do anything possible to foment more, whether you want it or not, whether people think it's griefing or not. Ore thieving/tricking n00bs is bottom of the barrel, imo, Privs are a small step above that.
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Gamesguy Its their play style, acting like real pirates ganking weak ships and running from larger gangs. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. They're in it for the fun and easy ganks. Actually thats the only problems i have with privateers. And technically it's not really with privateers themselves. It seems the better way to "pirate" is to highsec wardec using the privateers as a shell allaince or simply picking and paying the fee yourself. I've done it before, no sec hits, lots of hauler loot, faction mission runner loot, 0.0 minerals loot. Why have lowsec at all? Lets have highsec and 0.0. And really they don't pay that much in wardec fee's in the grand scheme of things. I'm talkng 30bil outposts + 10+bil for pos's and craploads for fuel per week, 15+bil motherships, 25+bil dread fleets, 50+bil titans. -----

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