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Skynet Harvester
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Posted - 2007.02.22 07:12:00 -
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I have big amounts of time to play, and i love Sci-fi games/movies. I also love to RP - mostly evil characters.
Anyway, i was wondering - can a skilled player in eve ever be able to - or be powerfull enough to take out a lot of players alone. lets say 1 to 20 ratio - if the player has the right ship and skills?
For example, i found out the most powerfull ship in the game - the titan. Takes 2 years in skilling up (rl time) and 8 weeks (in RL time aswell) just to build.
This concerns me because i read it would be EXTREMELY HARD to make this ship alone, and even if i DID - if i go out and pvp with it - it would draw so much attention entire guilds would probarly come and destroy it in 30 minutes.
So the biggest and strongest ship isnt the best to solo with i guess? I did some research on motherships and those seemed much more PvP friendly if soloing. But that as well have far more cost then worth loosing in this game.
You might ask me, "why even bother wanting to solo in an MMO - go play a single player game!"
Well, single player games dont have such enormous game worlds as this. And just because i want to play alone doesent mean i wont make friends/enemies and interact socially with people.
And whats better for one who loves ruthless and lots of pvp, and wants to play against smart human players instead of mindless ai slaves - then an MMO?
So before upgrading from trial, i would like an honest answer. In the long run, after having learned the game - its mechanics - and so forth. Will i be able, with a ship, knowledge, and skills - be able to kill a lot of people in PvP or does the "10 dogs can kill a lion" rule apply to this game?
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Sandeep
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.02.22 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sandeep on 22/02/2007 07:35:11
Aim at something smaller? Capital ships are expensive to obtain and fuel. They also require certain amount of logistics such as cyno.
Pretty much anything that can dock can be destroyed by a lot of other ships. Those that cannot, can run away if their support is ready. (Note: Titans and motherships (tier two carriers) cannot dock.)
It is also situational and depending on the ships and people involved.
A (na)nosdom or nano(tor)phoon can probably score a few kills and leave intact in a small skirmish, or can run away from opponents. Against 30-60 opponents who know what they are doing, probably not.
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(1) Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose.
(2) Bare minimum skill means that you can only undock with it and nothing else.
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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2007.02.22 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ranita Drell on 22/02/2007 07:33:55
Building a titan or mothership is not feasible without corporate support. I'm not as sure about carriers or dreadnoughts.
Generally speaking, in PvP, if you are going solo, you are at a significant disadvantage. Even if you've got the biggest, strongest ship (excluding motherships/titans) then it is doubtful you're going to be able to take down a large number of players who know what they're doing. For one thing, I don't think it's possible to lock down more than one or maybe two ships to prevent them from just warping away if you have them out-gunned. That's why there are interdictors and interceptors, ships specifically designed to keep the enemy from running away, but lack much in the way of firepower themselves.
It is certainly feasible to terrorize individuals or small groups of opponents, killing one or two and forcing the others to flee, if you pick your fights wisely and are skilled player and pilot. If you upset enough people however, you'll probably find a possee on your tail and you'll have to swallow your pride and run, hide or be destroyed.
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Fenrec Deac
Malkalen Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.22 07:55:00 -
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Building a Titan not only takes weeks to finish, it is also extreme costly. You need the effort of a whole alliance to get the financials for that one. Even Smaller Motherships are not that easy to get. You need to think a lot smaller here ... you will start in a tiny Frigate, will work your way up to a Battleship ( or stay in smaller ships and specialize ) and that will be it .... for a loooooong time. You need to learn skills for almost everything. That takes time and money.
When it comes to PvP keep in mind that a lot of people in EvE do PvP. So you will not very often meet rookies in lawless space but experienced pilots with tons of skillpoints. So I doubt you will be able to take out Groups larger than 1-2 Ships at once.
In PvE it is a lot easier. During Missions you will come to places where you meet groups with a large number of Ships and at one point you will be able to tank and kill them in one go ... until that point its guerilla tactics ... jump in .. kill one or two .. flee .. rince repeat.
So you will not be able to "rule" this game solo. It is a multiplayer game and most people play it that way so you will mostly find larger groups of players fighting against you. You can still be one of those people that run a one man show killing newbies and miners by declaring war on them in secure space. But even if you prefer to play evil characters, I dont think ( by your way of posting ) that you are one of those "wtfpwnedgimmephatlewt!!!11" guys but looking for a challenge. Maybe becoming a Fleetcommander would be your choice of career. You will not be solo but will command the fleet of a corp or a alliance to strike their enemies. Its all possible in EvE. Well, whatever you decide ... keep in mind that you will start slow and small at the very end of the foodchain.
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Skynet Harvester
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Posted - 2007.02.22 08:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Fenrec Deac
But even if you prefer to play evil characters, I dont think ( by your way of posting ) that you are one of those "wtfpwnedgimmephatlewt!!!11" guys but looking for a challenge.
That is correct, i am more the lawfull evil kinda guy - as palpatine in star wars (a rough example). I like challenges, and noob killing isnt my style. Unless i do it out of profit or necessity.
Thanks guys for the feedback and information . I think i may find a corp and large scale pvp more interesting then i thought at first. Gonna give eve a shot.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.22 09:08:00 -
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I will put it this way. It is possible for one man to kill a lot of enemies, but he needs his gang with him to do it.
If you develop and find you have a aptitude for fleet command, you will be the one directing the gang and using your strategies to send the enemy back to the clone vats.
Ask anyone: a good FC makes a crucial difference on the battlefield especially in large scale battles involving say: on one hand a capitol ship gang assaulting the enemy starbase. secondly a sniper battleship group to warp in to a strategic position. thirdly your smaller ship support gang to keep the heat off your battleships and lock down the enemy BS gang...all the way down to your covert-ops pilots who are constantly manouvering to set up a position for your battleships to snipe the enemy from ect ect ect... the list goes on.
If you really love the solo playstyle you can roam around in a small to medium ship(solo battleships are becoming a rare sight indeed) and attack targets of opportunity. Ships such as the Vagabond are great for this among others.
Just play the game and dont get too attached to any ship you buy, I promise that they all get popped sooner or later, fly what you can afford to lose and you will be fine.
Enjoy.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.22 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Skynet Harvester
"10 dogs can kill a lion"
Sums up quite well how Eve works.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:42:00 -
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Thank you for your interest in this game. At this time we don't regret to inform you that your playstyle and desire for a 1 man pew-pew god mobile of ultimate distruction dosen't fit with the concept of Eve. Of course you are welcome to attempt to get a 1 man army together then please feel free to fly into Goonie space and test out the pew-pew on all their little frigates which should be at most a 2 shot to you.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:53:00 -
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No, you won't be able to take on 10 people solo and kill them. For two reasons:
1. PVP requires electronic-warfare, the ability to stop the other guy from running away by warp-jamming him. A single ship can barely mount enough of these EW modules to be effective against one enemy, let alone 10.
2. Ships are balanced so that a battleship has trouble hitting small frigates with its big guns, and a frigate won't do enough damage to a battleship to take it out alone. If you fit a battleship with small guns so that you can take on 10 frigates, you'll be vulnerable to any other battleship attacking you. And so on.
Nobody sits around like an NPC waiting for you to finish destroying them; as soon as they realize they'll lose, they will try to warp away or bring in friends. Sometimes they take one look at your ship and they realize this, before the shooting even starts.
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Sergi Kalstryke
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:19:00 -
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There is one way you could achieve your aims.
Get a job as a Dev at CCP , they can AND DO do what they like.
Do a Google search on EVE/Devs/cheating.
Save your money - go play a game where the Devs don`t cheat.
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Angel Vengen
Caldari
The Marauders
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Posted - 2007.02.23 06:10:00 -
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Well lets give credit where credit is due... it's not "the dev's" that cheat, it was one, and he came out an apologized... But anyway, to the OP Like everyone said you need yourself a group of people to really do anything major, and even then, you can be 'blobbed' by an even bigger group of people and get 'zomfgwtfbbqpwned'... I think thats the really great part about eve tho, you really cant just go out and do your own thing and be great... you need to also surround yourself with like minded people and all work towards the same goal.
Originally by: Nyxus
Yes but the Apoc is kind of like a mullet - business in the front, party in the back.
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Lesco
Amarr
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.23 09:48:00 -
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Steady up there dude, that is some serious stuff your saying there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally by: Sergi Kalstryke
There is one way you could achieve your aims.
Get a job as a Dev at CCP , they can AND DO do what they like.
Do a Google search on EVE/Devs/cheating.
Save your money - go play a game where the Devs don`t cheat.
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Sergi Kalstryke
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Posted - 2007.02.23 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lesco
Steady up there dude, that is some serious stuff your saying there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Precisely, erm dude.
Just giving my advice to the OP how I see it.
Funnily enough I have a sneaky feeling I may not be alone in thinking it.
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