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ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:26:00 - [1] Originally by: XGP Darkside Also i have a question for CCP.. where are the majoratory(spelling) of your Devs based.. like global/europe/US? Iceland? (is that in europe?) What is the point of this question? The answer is Iceland, I'm not going to explain where it is tho
Agillious Gallente Inner Circle Helter-Skelter	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:28:00 - [2] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: XGP Darkside Also i have a question for CCP.. where are the majoratory(spelling) of your Devs based.. like global/europe/US? Iceland? (is that in europe?) What is the point of this question? The answer is Iceland, I'm not going to explain where it is tho That kind of scared me too... MORE SHINY, PLEASE!!!
Xander XacXorien	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Xander XacXorien on 22/02/2007 23:29:19 I got a question for Kieron. Ok, CCP has had a spat of customer relations issues. Only me and CCP know what my concerns are with what has happened. I won't personally go over that because IMHO the ball is in your court not mine. However, I do find the decision on the lottery to be surprising. The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that this could give those with T2 BPOs a monopoly for an undeterminable amount of time. By monopoly I am talking the ability to fund a 0.0 corporation. Now a lot of older players have been wanting and trying to do this for a long, long time - some have and some haven't. I also know players that have invested a LOT of time everyday in doing RP missions. If I was one of those people I would be VERY unhappy with the lottery being wiped out. Some may take the path of invention, but having looked into exploration it's bugged - I think only a few of the complexes I have found work. I haven't even had the chance to try invention because I can't get the stuff I need because exploration is bugged. Why havent you put forward a solution which is at LEAST as good as the current lottery ? The option is there to make the game better. IMHO this is worse than the current lottery. How long are players who have already invested years in the hope of creating a 0.0 corp with their mates gonna have to wait before a solution is found ? Have you/Are you considered making T2 become obsolete, call it T3 if you like but wouldn't a system which allows a breakthrough to the next tech leap solve a lot of problems ? A break through could even be a named version of T2 to start. Everyone would be on the same or similar level (Given resources) and hey presto we have the game back with everything to play for - lets get playing, there is no time to loose,,, Given the choice of making a gain with the community this just makes matters worse and removes what little hope there was. But hey that's just my feelings.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:32:00 - [4] Originally by: kieron I know a mod locked this post, but I felt it needed to be addressed. Arctic, I think you missed the point of Oveur's blog. One of the reasons why the Lottery changes are coming about is to address the system and remove the possibility for someone to influence the outcome for their own personal gain. Communication? We have said all about the events that we can and/or are going to. We can't do anything to change past events, we have listened to the community and are taking steps to prevent future occurances, some of those changes based on the feedback from the community. I hate to be this blunt, but if you don't think you can trust CCP any longer or don't think the steps we are taking are enough, then I apologize for us not meeting your expectations and bid you good luck in finding a game, and company that does meet your expectations. Thank you for unlocking this and actually answer me, I did not miss out the points in oveur's blog.. I knew very well that he want to remove T2 lottery to avoid this kinds of things in the future. Myself I have been lucky in the lottery and got 2 bpo's (ammo) but that is not the point I have always said the lottery had to go and it was about time to release the blueprints on the market. That being said, first step to regain trust from your community is to answer the post and question they ask. The 106 pages thread did have many questions you never answered, instead you did lock it and once people started to write on the forums people get their threads locked or even worse deleted !!!! I don't know about you but I did actually read every single page from that thread, not only that but the other thread where your IA guy comes in and once questions comes (same that where unanswered from the 106 page thread) he goes silent... You understand people want answer to these questions, they might not be pleasent but atleast that would be a act of good faith to the comunity. I have said in the 106 page thread that I forgive T20 for what he did, I don't want to see he goes and I quite understand that you can't punish someone twice for the same crime. That being said, the hardest part to leave where my corp... I where online a short time to resign as CEO in my corp that I had formed with 2 of my friends (who sadly quitted playing but I always left them in the corp as directors in the hope they would return), my new friends I made some I got to play the game, others joined me when they where young. For 3 years I have played this game and trusted CCP with everything and it is not easy to leave your favorite game and some friends but I felt it was nessesary to do. I know that once I see CCP do the right thing after reading the post I will be back, to then ... good luck everyone friends and foe's. And thanks to CCP for unlocking the thread, I tought there for a moment I where right about that one ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:34:00 - [5] Fixed. Trolling is bad, mkay? [ 2005.08.15 22:00:10 ] t20 > .... there is no such thing as taking sides, favouritism or whatmaynot.

kieron	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:36:00 - [6] Xander, please remember that the Invention system has not been implimented yet and I doubt the concerns regarding T2 BPOs will not be addressed. I haven't had a chance to look at the blog discussion thread yet, so I don't know if Oveur has given more input. We have a long way to go before tearing out the old and installing the new. The feedback and discussion are just the first step in the process. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Betonela Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:37:00 - [7] Originally by: maarud How many more days do we have to put up with you? oh and.... http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/zeeZ/stuffplease.png get your stuff imo CCP harry up to make change to gain popularity --------- join on New Movement:Market Traders snip Sig removed as it is inappropriate. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Kvarium Ki Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:45:00 - [8] Since the "incidents" I think CCP have done more and continue to do so then just about any other company would of. It may not be what some people would of liked but at least they are not ignoring the issues and are taking some steps in the right direction. I'm sure some people would like to know more about what happened and there are probably some people who think there is more to it then there actualy is. But I guess we have to accept what we've been told and move on. We all have a life, some of us have a wife, kids and a job. EVE is a game and it's ment to entertain us, if the game no longer entertains you then I guess moving on to an other game is the right thing to do for you. KK.
Tressia	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:56:00 - [9] Whatever CCP does, I guarantee that it will involve having to have multiple accounts in order to participate with any degree of success. The current T2BPO lottery was won mostly by people with multiple accounts to maximize their R&D agents. Note, I didn't say "everyone" that won, I said "mostly". Evidence is my memory of sale forums and comments people have made. The ones that have won "multiple" bpo's generally have multiple accounts with many R&D agents. I am sure that CCP will not jeopardize losing all of these accounts implementing something that the average player can get into and succeed with varying levels of success (not varying levels of failures as has been noted by certain inventors in multiple threads). The BPO lottery was never meant to be fair. It was meant to be a grind as a lot of the current game play seems to be geared towards imo, griefing and grinding. ============================================== Time Codes? Get em Here
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Cayloron Originally by: Marquis Dean 1/ You cancelled your account so no one cares what you think, especially CCP. 2/ CCP knows how to run their game better than you. 3/ This is a whine. A somewhat redundant whine. 4/ IBTL! Bravo IBTL Agreed ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win

Jackkal Order of Melekel	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:00:00 - [11] I know this is off topic but that bpo being awarded to bod did give them a unfair advantage. Plus ther was other things that was being done to help them. I belive if they were not given the help they had they would not have ruined a few alliences. The whole issue runs deeper than the bpo's and has ruined everyones trust. I know this is just a game but look had all the time and real cash spent on subscriptions it took a allience like ASCN to create what they had. They report numerous times of cheatting and dev help but no one belived them. Stuff like this can not be overlooked. I belive they deserve to be given 1 of thier areas back. I'm one of the ones also that do not like the way the game is going after over 2 years with 3 accounts i'm looking at leaving along with several other close friends. And no my stuff will saty with me if i leave incase wind of change blows in the direction that appeals to me.
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:17:00 - [12] Edited by: jeNK on 23/02/2007 01:14:30 Edited by: jeNK on 23/02/2007 01:13:58 Originally by: kieron Xander, please remember that the Invention system has not been implimented yet and I doubt the concerns regarding T2 BPOs will not be addressed. I haven't had a chance to look at the blog discussion thread yet, so I don't know if Oveur has given more input. We have a long way to go before tearing out the old and installing the new. The feedback and discussion are just the first step in the process. The only way CCP will fully regain trust is by complete transparency and thorough guidelines and documented 'features' 'features' such as shooting manned ships within POS shields. To be told after this happened that it is by design is quite frankly shocking. Did you see the video's of 'the accused' ? Did you also see who was in carge of 'the accused' capital fleet? hint: The same 'rogue dev' - t20. Funny that they should be the first to know about this feature, don't you think?
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:19:00 - [13] Originally by: jeNK tinfoil hattery. Not the place for this. ---
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: jeNK tinfoil hattery. Not the place for this. So where is? Oh, that's right - no where. Stalinistic silence.
Kaalen Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:32:00 - [15] Originally by: kieron I know a mod locked this post, but I felt it needed to be addressed. Arctic, I think you missed the point of Oveur's blog. One of the reasons why the Lottery changes are coming about is to address the system and remove the possibility for someone to influence the outcome for their own personal gain. Communication? We have said all about the events that we can and/or are going to. We can't do anything to change past events, we have listened to the community and are taking steps to prevent future occurances, some of those changes based on the feedback from the community. I hate to be this blunt, but if you don't think you can trust CCP any longer or don't think the steps we are taking are enough, then I apologize for us not meeting your expectations and bid you good luck in finding a game, and company that does meet your expectations. This post is EXACTLY why I still play this game, and will continue to play this game regardless of bugs, lag, imbalanced gameplay or even the occasional cheating Dev. I don't care about any of this, I have been with EVE since very close to the beginning, and while I have taken a long break or two (and rerolled my character with Revelations) I have never cancelled my subscription because, as far as I'm concerned, CCP deserve it and more. All of these problems come about, and CCP have fixed them every single time, they listen to us and they read these forums. This post proves this. Yes there are always problems, but that is because CCP are always adding to the game and changing things to try and get the balance right. Sometimes they mess up, they're only human, but their track record is very, very good. If anyone can point me in the direction of another game or MMO developer that takes this much of an interest in the community then I'd really like to know about it, because as of right now, CCP are the only company that has come close. "When you do something right, noone will know that you've done anything at all." this is how I feel about these forums, we all spend so much time whining about this and that, then whining about something new when we get our way. We neglect to see that we are all playing a game wonderful enough to have kept a lot of us here for years and years, a game that draws hundreds of us to Iceland on a yearly basis and a game that we enjoy enough to whine and complain about when we fear that it is being ruined. CCP made this game and they've done a DAMN good job of it so far, try not to forget that. This is a big thank you to all at CCP. You have my respect and hopefully that will show a little bit of contrast to all the whining on these forums.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:41:00 - [16] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: jeNK tinfoil hattery. Not the place for this. So where is? Oh, that's right - no where. Stalinistic silence. That's right, I work for CCP to keep you all from voicing your concerns. This is a discussion about gameplay as a whole and the T2 market in particular, I fail to see how the mechanics of POS shields is relevant. ---
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:50:00 - [17] Originally by: kieron Xander, please remember that the Invention system has not been implimented yet and I doubt the concerns regarding T2 BPOs will not be addressed. I haven't had a chance to look at the blog discussion thread yet, so I don't know if Oveur has given more input. We have a long way to go before tearing out the old and installing the new. The feedback and discussion are just the first step in the process. This is the kind of communication I expect from a company earnestly working to restore the shattered trust of its customers. However... Originally by: kieron I hate to be this blunt, but if you don't think you can trust CCP any longer or don't think the steps we are taking are enough, then I apologize for us not meeting your expectations and bid you good luck in finding a game, and company that does meet your expectations. ...this is not. You have a lot of work to do before you can reclaim the moral high ground. It's up to you to communicate and demonstrate real change is happening. It won't happen overnight. And the more open you can be, the better. Good luck.
Tressia	Posted - 2007.02.23 02:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Montague Zooma Originally by: kieron Xander, please remember that the Invention system has not been implimented yet and I doubt the concerns regarding T2 BPOs will not be addressed. I haven't had a chance to look at the blog discussion thread yet, so I don't know if Oveur has given more input. We have a long way to go before tearing out the old and installing the new. The feedback and discussion are just the first step in the process. This is the kind of communication I expect from a company earnestly working to restore the shattered trust of its customers. However... Originally by: kieron I hate to be this blunt, but if you don't think you can trust CCP any longer or don't think the steps we are taking are enough, then I apologize for us not meeting your expectations and bid you good luck in finding a game, and company that does meet your expectations. ...this is not. You have a lot of work to do before you can reclaim the moral high ground. It's up to you to communicate and demonstrate real change is happening. It won't happen overnight. And the more open you can be, the better. Good luck. /signed ============================================== Time Codes? Get em Here
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: jeNK tinfoil hattery. Not the place for this. So where is? Oh, that's right - no where. Stalinistic silence. That's right, I work for CCP to keep you all from voicing your concerns. This is a discussion about gameplay as a whole and the T2 market in particular, I fail to see how the mechanics of POS shields is relevant. Are you trying to claim POS's are not part of the game?
Dagrin RDM Caldari The Knights of the New Republic Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Tressia Whatever CCP does, I guarantee that it will involve having to have multiple accounts in order to participate with any degree of success. The current T2BPO lottery was won mostly by people with multiple accounts to maximize their R&D agents. Note, I didn't say "everyone" that won, I said "mostly". Evidence is my memory of sale forums and comments people have made. The ones that have won "multiple" bpo's generally have multiple accounts with many R&D agents. I am sure that CCP will not jeopardize losing all of these accounts implementing something that the average player can get into and succeed with varying levels of success (not varying levels of failures as has been noted by certain inventors in multiple threads). The BPO lottery was never meant to be fair. It was meant to be a grind as a lot of the current game play seems to be geared towards imo, griefing and grinding. This makes enough sense to be scary.... A winning strategy! Are we going for a NBSI post policy, now? Because I seriously though CCP were better than that.

Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:12:00 - [21] Quote: Whatever CCP does, I guarantee that it will involve having to have multiple accounts in order to participate with any degree of success. The current T2BPO lottery was won mostly by people with multiple accounts to maximize their R&D agents. /Signed.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:14:00 - [22] Edited by: HankMurphy on 23/02/2007 04:15:57 WAY too into it today. nvr mind :) ------------------------ From here on out i'm pretty sure CAOD forums = Jerry Springer
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.23 04:23:00 - [23] Originally by: kieron I unlocked the topic before I posted. I know my post is going to make some people unhappy and would rather have posters comment in the same thread than open a number of other threads where the context might be lost. As for another lock, as long as the discussion remains on-topic and flame free, the thread will remain open. As I said in my other post in this thread, all that can be said has been. [/quote This actually builds respect in my opinion. It's good to see someone has the balls to actually unlock something when the topic has the potential to be heated. Much respct to you Kieron. Perversion:
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:02:00 - [24] Originally by: kieron I hope I did not give the impression of trying to pwn anyone, that was far from my intention. However, I do think it is time for the community to accept what has happened, what we are doing to address the situation and move forward with us, or not accept this and move on in the way of their own chosing. It seems that you are the ones having trouble accepting "what has happened", and are living in denial. Oh well, it's an option too. (put your hands over your eyes, and say "You can't see me now" - and you get to understand how CCP communicates with customers)
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:24:00 - [25] I think it's good that you answered this, Kieron. You said something that needed to be said by someone with authority. Quote: I do think it is time for the community to accept what has happened, what we are doing to address the situation and move forward with us, or not accept this and move on in the way of their own chosing. I'm so sick of people wasting dev time with whines about how they're so unsatisfied with how horrible things are. It happened, there was 10 pages on it, and I would love to personally ban everyone who keeps making new topics to whine. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:26:00 - [26] Originally by: kieron Originally by: Wylker Originally by: kieron What I said. pwnt. nice post kieron. I hope I did not give the impression of trying to pwn anyone, that was far from my intention. However, I do think it is time for the community to accept what has happened, what we are doing to address the situation and move forward with us, or not accept this and move on in the way of their own chosing. Personally, I would rather see everyone keep playing EVE. We've got some exciting stuff coming in the future, not only for EVE but other efforts/titles. Unfortionately for ppl like me who run missions, the "exciting upcoming" stuff means being fed to the pirates :p http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=480019&page=1 looks around the restaurant then look at his mate "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing hums the Star Wars Cantina theme"
Kenneys	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:24:00 - [27] Kieron, Seems like you're a good guy. But realise that the dev (t20) has already chosen what was more important. He chose BoB over CCP the moment he conjured up BPOs for them. He knew he put his job at risk, he knew he could get caught, he knew he would cost CCP some players (quitting in disgust). He did it anyways. CCP's action left a serious bitter taste in my mouth.. part of why i'm leaving until it goes away. I'll be back in a few months i'm sure.. but at the moment logging on to eve makes me shake my head.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:50:00 - [28] Quite honorable effort Keiron has posting to this thread, but I think enough is enough. CCP has gone way out of their way to appease the very few complainers who took a very miniscule blip and tried to turn it into an issue requiring a defcon alert system.... Trust, just as respect can be earned, granted, removed, essentially manipulated in many ways all of which their is no set standard or definition and is left up to each individual. So essentially the op isn't someone worthy of either trust or respect and should be treated as such. Good that other jumped on his statement and that is something the majority of the community does do quite well - we have a greater interest in protecting the reputation of the game which includes responding to those who over exagerate for their own personal viewpoints in order to compensate for some inadequacy. And of course they follow it up with the meaningless threats of cancelling their aco**** and blah, blah, rabble, 5000 more useless forum threads, more rabble and blah. So point blank put it to you this way. CCP please make it unbearable so that these guys actually will quit the game completely. After they are gone, it will make it much easier to bring in good quality players as it makes it a great deal easier to promote the game through word of mouth knowing that their is a true quality userbase. I am thinking about things that really get these people going - handing out t2 bpos in equal quantities (say a full set) to all the major alliances (would be completely fair as all alliances over say 500 people would qualify), limiting forum posting in certain forum sections to accounts that are x time period old, and whatever is the lattest whine of the day. And no, this isn't sarcasm. Bring out the hammer as the nerf bat already got broke somewhere. Clean it up now as it appears that this minority group is going to ensure that they keep it in the limelight as long as possible to tarnish the game.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.02.23 08:58:00 - [29] Most normal players (and probably the real majority) don't care about the stuff everybody talks about (techically serious but not realistically and CCP has started doing something to prevent further stuff like it) and the intended stuff as read from the devblog appeals to most people afaik. By stopping T2 BPO lottery we won't get more bpo's in-game, but as it has worked we wouldn't get any anyway (as ccp pretty much has the lottery closed down most of the time only opening it for resupply and the new modules/ammo) So it's not really enforcing the "monopoly" and perhaps ccp can seed new bpo's if required though other channels (exploration, invention, R&D RP or other means) Perhaps CCP decides to boost the number og bpo's before they shut down the lottery. The invention is only starting up atm - I hope it'll spit out more bpc's in a short future...
Ben Musso	Posted - 2007.02.23 09:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Ben Musso on 23/02/2007 09:16:12 Well ... I am gonna take a broad swing at all of this ... could be a 360 degree roundswing for all I know. Admittedly ... I did not read all the posts concerning the subject ... but I read the devblogs and such linking information together. So, here's my take, even thou nobody asked for it, on all that. What happend ? Somebody ( 1 individual out of many ) decided to be an arse. He was found guilty and without much public fuss he was punished. The consequences ? Some l33t hacker ( what he has called himself or is called, I don't care ) figured out that 2+2=4 and to bloat his ego made it non-public. The result ? 1 black sheep amongst many makes the whole flock appear to be coated black. My opionion ? Stop it with the accusing the whole of CCP and doubting everything they have done or implemented in the game. One individual has danced out of formation ... ONE ( 1 ) ... Connect the facts here and here. If you do that you'll see that CCP learns from mistakes and acts accordingly. And have any of you ever considered how CCP itself feels about this. Naturally ... not all of CCP will come here and write "we're destroyed" ... "sorry that happend" etc ... but CCP loves this game and that black sheep might not be as loved as it was before by the majority of white sheeps.



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