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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:04:17 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:the problem is that, after they will see their shiny citadels blown to bits by a fleet of just 4-5 battleships ( a fleet that could not even scratch a pos ), they will leave the game and not make the mistake of buying a sub again. So in the long run is a loss for ccp.
You're the guy with the glasses, in the Citadels cinematic trailer. The guy who doesn't get it, that these things weren't intended for all the carebears in high-sec to build a safe nest inside. That they were intended as targets for all the PVP'ers to destroy. As "content".
So go ahead and leave the game. Next big release, you'll be back, because CCP's cinematic trailers are too good.
To the original post: why did they release a buggy expansion, on the date that they announced? Your question isn't "an honest question", it's a troll question. There are a number of honest answers, though, business-related. Your marketing advertises a date, your management expects it, so you pull all-nighters trying to meet it, and you release. Because the bugs are minor and can be fixed after release, after everyone's gotten some sleep. Nobody waits for "perfect" in the business world, not when "good enough" gets the money.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11973
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:28:10 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Your toon really loves those glasses doesn't he. Suits him quite well.
Why, thank you
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
56
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:33:19 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:bad times for ccp and they really need people resubbing.
pushing a non-finished and badly working product while heavily promoting it is the way to go. Skill trading and bringing the requirements down so that any 3 weeks character can use a very good ship did not do that trick, so they employ chinese company tactics now and sell untested products.
look at the plex prices. They went down 25% because of people buying with RL money and investing in what they think it is a good alternative to POSes - which is not.
the problem is that, after they will see their shiny citadels blown to bits by a fleet of just 4-5 battleships ( a fleet that could not even scratch a pos ), they will leave the game and not make the mistake of buying a sub again. So in the long run is a loss for ccp.
Actually, you,can look up WHY they are dropping. A perfect storm of sorts. The expansion, the northern war, people sitting on PLEX, rich people in game. It's not just people dropping cash on PLEX. It's a bit of a stretch to say everyone is dropping money on plex. |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:35:18 -
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The features that have gone live with the release are pretty significant and worth getting in now, especially asset safety, supercap tethering and markets. The ACL is a wholly new feature and addresses long term complaints with standings/role management at a corp level without having to do a corp role revamp. It probably is fair to say the implementation will take the rest of the year, but since outposts and POS aren't going away having these new features alongside the existing stuff strikes me as a useful way to do the change over.
Also I think a lot of indy types who use structures for research/manu and moon mining are waiting for the next batches of structures rather than cits. These are really somewhere inbetween POS and outposts and have appeal to corps and alliances as strategic platforms, so people shouldn't be too disappointed if they don't fit with their existing playstyle. They're not really meant to, or aim to create new ones we haven't seen.
Terminator Cindy wrote:the problem is that, after they will see their shiny citadels blown to bits by a fleet of just 4-5 battleships ( a fleet that could not even scratch a pos ), they will leave the game and not make the mistake of buying a sub again. So in the long run is a loss for ccp. On the flipside PVPers have been complaining about a lack of things to fight over for a while. For those who want to fight either offensively or defensively these have a huge draw. Also the initial burst of massacring Ms across the game is likely to settle down once they proliferate and other sized cits are launched. Some patience is probably required to see how things go - if people resub then cancel within weeks that's their loss and they'll miss how the dynamic plays out. Plenty will resub for the combat incentives.
Knowing they have more SP than I do isnGÇÖt going to stop me from taking the fight if I was going to take it.
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Memphis Baas
1505
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:39:21 -
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I mean, the message needs to be repeated before it will sink in, and guess what, CCP is going to repeat it: next few expansions they're adding more, different citadels, with different capabilities, so you can market and agents and PVE and blah blah blah. Carebear paradise.
No changes planned or announced as far as defenses, so as soon as you put the new citadels out, they're bling targets for the PVP crowd and they get popped. Until you get what this game is about.
Citadels are working exactly as advertised in the trailer, wouldn't you say?
EDIT: Supposedly the trailer shows the largest one being destroyed; count the number of titans in that trailer, and tell me which alliance doesn't have about 6-10x that many titans. And all it takes for the death blow is the doomsday weapon from one. So where exactly did CCP say that these things would be safe? |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
888
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:42:36 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:bad times for ccp and they really need people resubbing.
pushing a non-finished and badly working product while heavily promoting it is the way to go. Skill trading and bringing the requirements down so that any 3 weeks character can use a very good ship did not do that trick, so they employ chinese company tactics now and sell untested products.
look at the plex prices. They went down 25% because of people buying with RL money and investing in what they think it is a good alternative to POSes - which is not.
the problem is that, after they will see their shiny citadels blown to bits by a fleet of just 4-5 battleships ( a fleet that could not even scratch a pos ), they will leave the game and not make the mistake of buying a sub again. So in the long run is a loss for ccp.
The citadels that have exploded have mostly been the ones caught in the 15 minute timer after anchoring. There are plenty of citadels that are up without being exploded.
Perhaps people expected their citadel to be able to solo a fleet, but I am not sure quite why they expected that.
Plex prices went down for a number of reasons, the largest of which is people liquidating plex they had in their hangars to get the BPOs and skillbooks, also for people buying injectors.
Additionally, plex has not gone down by 25%.
They were at 990 when the patch hit. 25% drop would be 742m. They have dropped to 930 as a low, and are hovering around 940-950.
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Memphis Baas
1505
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:47:02 -
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No, the defenses of the smallest citadel can reportedly be overcome by a medium battleship fleet, as she's saying. Because they aren't like POSes, you need a fleet to defend.
Prior to this release, POSes were being destroyed left and right, but she's forgetting that. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
389
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Posted - 2016.05.08 14:02:44 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:No, the defenses of the smallest citadel can reportedly be overcome by a medium battleship fleet, as she's saying. Because they aren't like POSes, you need a fleet to defend.
Prior to this release, POSes were being destroyed left and right, but she's forgetting that. A fleet of Enyo's took out an Austrahaus (?sp) a couple of days ago.
Who says assault frigates need rebalancing. They can assault a large Citadel ok. |
Zathra Narazi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.05.08 14:05:48 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:They have a product that has essentially zero competition because of the highly niche audience it caters to.
They don't have to be competent because there's no alternative product for EVE players to switch to. There will be. Camelot Unchained and Crowfall will both be competing with Eve when they come out. |
Charley Varrick
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.05.08 14:10:20 -
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They may release stuff bugged, but at least they patch it on a regular basis. Seems like every other day I log in there is a patch downloaded. A lot of games now days release content with game breaking bugs and it's several months before there is a patch. |
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Ferrus Kanus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.05.08 14:23:35 -
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But we wanted citadels now! *slams fist on table* |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3510
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Posted - 2016.05.08 14:32:48 -
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CCP wouldn't be CCP if they didn't release a patch with bugs.
And CCP are largely allright in my book
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
751
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Posted - 2016.05.08 15:58:37 -
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Sometimes a gaming company cannot predict how things will act once it hits live servers, until the playerbase have had a chance to different things out. |
Zetadelta333
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.05.09 06:13:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Sometimes a gaming company cannot predict how things will act once it hits live servers, until the playerbase have had a chance to different things out.
When things are broken and bugged on the test server, live server wont magically fix them. |
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CCP Falcon
12942
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Posted - 2016.05.09 09:57:56 -
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If you'd like to provide feedback on the Citadel expansion, you can do so here.
If you'd like to report issues, you can do so here.
Please use the appropriate threads, and avoid creating new ones.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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