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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
36
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Posted - 2016.05.08 12:21:08 -
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After sharing intel with their permanent blue friends Snuff Box and in the process nearly killing Caps of GALMil and friendly entities in Nisuwa which also leaded to a loss of a muchoblingy GalMil friendly Stratios by SnuffBox and after several unprovoked Awoxes vs GalMil pilots, finanlly Rapid Withdrawl (RDRAW), a known feeder Corp of Snuff Box, has been wardeced by several GalMil corporations and alliances.
This war will be long, brutal and hard, but unfortunatly it was ineviatable in the end. As RDRAW leadership doesn't understand, or choosed to willingly not want to understand, that being permanetly blue, sharing intel and comms and doing fleets together with a known and long time pirate enemy of GalMil, who in the end will give a **** about what RDRAW thinks and wants, this has to be come to an end.
In the greater picture it will also be a war about if GalMil can stay a independent and free organisation, strong and organised, but diversed for diferent corps and cultures and on its own feet or beeing a heartless puppet of some lowly blue shooting pirates who give a **** at best.
see you out there, balls deep |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1151
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Posted - 2016.05.08 13:05:42 -
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So it's galmil's turn for civil war? Will this be like the one in farmmatar with Winmatar getting dogpiled by the everyone with winmatar winning by doing a 360 moonwalk out of FW?
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
167
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Posted - 2016.05.08 15:52:05 -
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Something inevitable, I'm afraid. It was a ticking time bomb. You can't expect to be blue with an ancient Galmil enemy, who consistently interferes with militia operations in the warzone and poaches the best pilots from their 'allies', and remain neutral. Inaction, or any hands-off approach to future conflicts, are --and have been-- a statement by itself. It's difficult to see that RDRAW and their militia friends have brought the tribalism viewpoints and policies from the Republic into the Federation. We'll see how this pans out. It isn't a second civil war, it is a branch of the stump of the minnie civil war. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1567
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:01:59 -
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A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
57
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:11:12 -
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While it is sad that it had to come to such a situation as this, I hope that if nothing else this is a statement to the leadership of rapid withdrawal who have been so disrespectful and unwilling to see it from the gal mil point of view.
While you do have the right to be friends with whoever you choose, you cannot expect to be an accepted ally of both sides in the perennial snuff vs gal mil circle jerk. Rdraw had many options if it really was looking for allies to help them with fw operations, such as working with the rest of gal mil. This avenue remained open to rdraw leadership the entire time, their leadership figures just as much a part of the decision making process as anyone else in gal mil. Instead of choosing to cooperate as a team with the rest of gal mil to achieve goals, they gave almost no positive input into discussion.
They threw the rest of galmil under a bus to save themselves from potential pirate aggression. They can claim a great many things but their reasoning can all be discredited except for this fact.
Will this war bring peace or help ease tensions in gal mil between rdraw and everyone else, I expect not. But at the same time we have to assume that rdraw has no intention of ever really working with gal mil, as they have traditionally done.
Do we seek to work with the squids to displace them from suj, no, at least I don't.
Do I expect to just murder their pilots without repercussions, no. I expect that I will suffer many losses at their hands and at the hands of their pirate benefactors. But at the same time I think it is better to make violence when their is violence in your heart, rather then let it fester into the passive aggressive **** show that we have now.
They will make many claims about me, but I do what I must for the greater good, and sometimes that means making things worse, hopefully so they may get better. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1854
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:25:31 -
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Roy Henry wrote:they gave almost no positive input into discussion.
Which to me reads 'did not agree with OUR objectives'.
There is precedent for long term friendships between opposing faction corps and neutral entities, if they choose that path, that in itself is fine, but they cant expect general gal mil to honor that friendship.
In the past, the people who would not honor such arrangements were far too weak to do anything about it so they had to honor them by force. Things are a little different in this case..
Whatever lead to this, it does seem obvious that they gave blue intel to snuff which is perfectly good justification for a good ol' wardecaroo.
I just hope that when RDRAW realise that snuff have zero interest in their well being, that there is still place for them in gal mil. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1567
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:36:19 -
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Roy Henry wrote:While it is sad that it had to come to such a situation as this, I hope that if nothing else this is a statement to the leadership of rapid withdrawal who have been so disrespectful and unwilling to see it from the gal mil point of view.
While you do have the right to be friends with whoever you choose, you cannot expect to be an accepted ally of both sides in the perennial snuff vs gal mil circle jerk. Rdraw had many options if it really was looking for allies to help them with fw operations, such as working with the rest of gal mil. This avenue remained open to rdraw leadership the entire time, their leadership figures just as much a part of the decision making process as anyone else in gal mil. Instead of choosing to cooperate as a team with the rest of gal mil to achieve goals, they gave almost no positive input into discussion.
They threw the rest of galmil under a bus to save themselves from potential pirate aggression. They can claim a great many things but their reasoning can all be discredited except for this fact.
Will this war bring peace or help ease tensions in gal mil between rdraw and everyone else, I expect not. But at the same time we have to assume that rdraw has no intention of ever really working with gal mil, as they have traditionally done.
Do we seek to work with the squids to displace them from suj, no, at least I don't.
Do I expect to just murder their pilots without repercussions, no. I expect that I will suffer many losses at their hands and at the hands of their pirate benefactors. But at the same time I think it is better to make violence when their is violence in your heart, rather then let it fester into the passive aggressive **** show that we have now.
They will make many claims about me, but I do what I must for the greater good, and sometimes that means making things worse, hopefully so they may get better.
You guys are doing the right thing - RDRAW have no respect for you. Their corp grew up in an already winning side that you all created and they sit back taking the credit acting as if they played a part in Galmils success.
Here is one of their members (Mira Fluxions) opinion - I am assuming english is not Miras 1st language:
Hey guys
This Galmil Civil War thats Broken out is Very Differant From the The FW you know and Love
Bebop have bee Seen Docking and Undocking At OUR station Suj 4!!!!
This Is a Very much a plan to Hamper us at our home so prepare to be Camped if such a thing happens we will Smash them But jsut note they can dock in the station we can dock in So be sure to check your guest lists
and Such before undocking And Lets Some em Why they Fear us !!!!!
Let show em Why there jealous of us
Let show em there Asses on a plate
There Good Pilots out there LETS GO KILL THEM!!!!!!!!
Regards Mira
Mira Does not take any Responsabilty for any losses or tears incurred due to this msg terms and conditions apply
(Special thanks to Ben Mellow Murray and Max Evangelion for forwarding the mails)
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
886
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Posted - 2016.05.09 01:47:30 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:You guys are doing the right thing - RDRAW have no respect for you. Their corp grew up in an already winning side that you all created and they sit back taking the credit acting as if they played a part in Galmils success. Summer children who have never known the harsh desolation of the hard Winter. Shame, really.
It's hillarious to me that we're getting far more respect from long-time Caldari Militia corporations and pilots - some of whom have amazing hair... - than we are from our own militia comrades in RDRAW. Comrades in arms who owe their current home to our help, rather than the aid of SNUFF that they subordinate themselves to so willingly.
It's almost as if we've earned that respect over the years because of who we are, how we fight, and what we've accomplished.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Noir. Mercenary Coalition
354
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Posted - 2016.05.09 10:46:43 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Something inevitable, I'm afraid. It was a ticking time bomb. You can't expect to be blue with an ancient Galmil enemy, who consistently interferes with militia operations in the warzone and poaches the best pilots from their 'allies', and remain neutral. Inaction, or any hands-off approach to future conflicts, are --and have been-- a statement by itself. It's difficult to see that RDRAW and their militia friends have brought the tribalism viewpoints and policies from the Republic into the Federation. We'll see how this pans out. It isn't a second civil war, it is a branch of the stump of the minnie civil war.
Did I miss something here, what's RDRAWs connection to the Minmatar Civil War? |
James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
37
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Posted - 2016.05.09 11:11:36 -
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Which minmatar civil war are we talking about here? Winmatar's attempt to take huolaco. moons or aslons attempt to restart winmatar?
Once again more proof why you shouldn't be blue to pirate entities in the warzone. Always ends in drama.
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Dreaded Vengance
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
102
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Posted - 2016.05.09 11:56:02 -
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Lowsec wars never really amount to much tbh, the action all happens on the forums.
Edit - iirc, the 2 minnie civil wars were a bit different. Winmatar were actively stripping minmil assets in direct aggression and refused to relent, so they got shot a bit. When they tried to rejoin the militia sometime later, no one wanted them there due to previous arsehattery.
CTRL-Q are recruiting - Gallente Faction Warfare, Small Gang, Low Sec PvP, New Player friendly. Want to know the truth about low sec?
Diary of a Low Sec Capsuleer
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James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
37
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Posted - 2016.05.09 12:52:10 -
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The winmatar that tried to rejoin was pretty much just aslon trolling and maybe one or two people from the old winmatar The first war was far more interesting as there was at least two large fights that I can remember.
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Dreaded Vengance
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
102
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Posted - 2016.05.09 13:50:43 -
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First one was a bit before my time in FeO (was still in Amarr I think!) and second happened after we left to join Galmil so wasn't directly involved in either, just remember the forum hurr durr!
CTRL-Q are recruiting - Gallente Faction Warfare, Small Gang, Low Sec PvP, New Player friendly. Want to know the truth about low sec?
Diary of a Low Sec Capsuleer
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
118
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Posted - 2016.05.09 15:10:52 -
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The real question here is who should I support? They say the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but when both those enemies are also your enemies things get complicated quick. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
614
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Posted - 2016.05.09 15:35:41 -
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In the spirit of lowsec, shoot them all.
May Arethusa wrote:The real question here is who should I support? They say the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but when both those enemies are also your enemies things get complicated quick.
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
37
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Posted - 2016.05.09 16:09:06 -
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Are you guys fighting yet? I want to see ego filled posts on Reddit
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
30
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Posted - 2016.05.09 19:34:21 -
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James Clough wrote:Are you guys fighting yet? I want to see ego filled posts on Reddit
nothing major so far had some fun earlier with them (had to realize that i got really bad ad small gang pvp)
wait a bit till both sides have the oveview set up correctly sowe can actually see each other ^^ |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1154
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Posted - 2016.05.09 21:43:27 -
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JaneBudden wrote:James Clough wrote:Are you guys fighting yet? I want to see ego filled posts on Reddit nothing major so far had some fun earlier with them (had to realize that i got really bad ad small gang pvp ) wait a bit till both sides have the oveview set up correctly sowe can actually see each other ^^
Put red wartargets on top of militia and you're done. Alternatively, drag militia to the bottom then again you risk shooting non-involved galmil.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
167
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Posted - 2016.05.10 02:49:16 -
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Oreb will share his most awesome of overviews with you nubs. I did not have to change a thing because it was perfected the first time! ::crosses arms::
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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
725
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Posted - 2016.05.10 04:54:37 -
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I am offering anger management classes to all Gallente effected by this disaster of internal relations. I understand at times like this the Gallente are not able to style their hair - that they end up with frayed knots and other such issues. We at Blackrise Vanguard seek to help you through these stressful times .
Every session with us will you get you a free styling. The second session will cost you 120 IS - But you will come out looking stronger, better and faster. You will be - "Caldari". |
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
614
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Posted - 2016.05.10 15:59:52 -
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I guess Gallente circle jerk threads aren't what they used to be.
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
38
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Posted - 2016.05.10 16:06:33 -
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quite frankly im disappointed
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
167
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Posted - 2016.05.10 16:55:37 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:I am offering anger management classes to all Gallente effected by this disaster of internal relations. I understand at times like this the Gallente are not able to style their hair - that they end up with frayed knots and other such issues. We at Blackrise Vanguard seek to help you through these stressful times .
Every session with us will you get you a free styling. The second session will cost you 120 IS - But you will come out looking stronger, better and faster. You will be - "Caldari".
Do you have any wigs? |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
445
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:06:40 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again.
This is an outright lie. |
James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
38
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:14:00 -
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The plot thickens
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
57
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:17:54 -
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Dread Operative wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again. This is an outright lie.
Dread getting mad that somebody else is spewing **** about his crew just to try and rustle him.
Irony is not lost here. |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
182
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:20:24 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:After sharing intel with their permanent blue friends Snuff Box and in the process nearly killing Caps of GALMil and friendly entities in Nisuwa which also leaded to a loss of a muchoblingy GalMil friendly Stratios by SnuffBox and after several unprovoked Awoxes vs GalMil pilots, finanlly Rapid Withdrawl (RDRAW), a known feeder Corp of Snuff Box, has been wardeced by several GalMil corporations and alliances.
This war will be long, brutal and hard, but unfortunatly it was ineviatable in the end. As RDRAW leadership doesn't understand, or choosed to willingly not want to understand, that being permanetly blue, sharing intel and comms and doing fleets together with a known and long time pirate enemy of GalMil, who in the end will give a **** about what RDRAW thinks and wants, this has to be come to an end.
In the greater picture it will also be a war about if GalMil can stay a independent and free organisation, strong and organised, but diversed for diferent corps and cultures and on its own feet or beeing a heartless puppet of some lowly blue shooting pirates who give a **** at best.
see you out there, balls deep
Not the first time this has happened...
won't be the last...
best of luck to RDRAW who will certainly have some serious back up |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
182
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:25:04 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again.
interesting post, but wrong. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
445
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:32:27 -
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Roy Henry wrote:Dread Operative wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again. This is an outright lie. Dread getting mad that somebody else is spewing **** about his crew just to try and rustle him. Irony is not lost here.
It's a video game, I don't get mad, I get drunk and laugh my ass off. But this is an outright lie and being called out as such.
Not everyone is as salty as you Roy, this war will be amazing and we/me are looking forward to it. |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
57
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Posted - 2016.05.10 17:34:55 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Roy Henry wrote:Dread Operative wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again. This is an outright lie. Dread getting mad that somebody else is spewing **** about his crew just to try and rustle him. Irony is not lost here. It's a video game, I don't get mad, I get drunk and laugh my ass off. But this is an outright lie and being called out as such. Not everyone is as salty as you Roy, this war will be amazing and we/me are looking forward to it.
No salt at all m8 just having some fun. I'm sure the war will be fun for everyone involved. |
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
888
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Posted - 2016.05.10 20:21:38 -
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One point that tends to get missed in the rabblerabble of who awoxed which alt when, is that RDRAW essentially was able to reap the rewards of being supported by mainline GalMil corps in their FW objectives - while teaming up with our main opponents in non-FW content. Since mainline GalMil corps have not had much competition in terms of FW objectives, for the most part we've turned our eyes to getting GudFites however we can.
The distraction of having to deal with RDRAW playing both sides in a way has been causing tension for a long, long time. While the latest bit of he said she said was the proverbial straw, in a lot of ways RDRAW needs to pick a side and stick with it.
Noone in mainline Northern GalMil would mind at all if RDRAW dropped their ties to SNUFF, and we'd happily welcome them back into the fold - Tek isn't all that much more difficult to deal with than some other past and present GalMil personalities. We'd similarly be fine with them dropping militia and joining SNUFF officially - CQB did it, and while PERUNGA had a massive hardon for GalMil aside from him being a total douche about it we weren't too salty about it.
This wishy washy stay in the middle crap? That's not sustainable.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
39
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Posted - 2016.05.10 21:31:21 -
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http://i.imgur.com/FodlVFj.png
current war....not so much happening. for all the words ;)
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.11 02:44:51 -
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Veskrashen wrote:This wishy washy stay in the middle crap? That's not sustainable.
It's working for them, other people seem to have the problem.
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
167
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Posted - 2016.05.11 03:56:56 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:http://i.imgur.com/FodlVFj.png current war....not so much happening. for all the words ;)
Their kills sure have a ways to go if they wish to remain consistent. How can such a 'one-sided' war break so evenly or activity be so disrupted by so few?
http://imgur.com/1oslQDe
You do not need to be under the wing of anyone, and all factions should strive to be sovereign within their own backyards. In my opinion, that is what this war is about. |
Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
8
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Posted - 2016.05.11 04:10:10 -
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I love how Roy tries to be all sanctimonious about what a great transgression it is to team up with an "enemy of the gallente militia" and talks about how they fought so hard against the Caldari and that our dealings with Snuff somehow cheapens that...
and yet they do this.
http://imgur.com/Xjl7HMr
Sit outside our station in a happy mixed fleet with Caldari militia pilots.
I don't care if you want to team up with people to try to kill us... but don't try to take some moral high ground about how we've somehow betrayed the militia by doing things totally unrelated to faction warfare with a pirate group - when you run Caldari alts to plex for the opposition and combine fleets with CalMil to try to shoot us. (By the way, you're gonna need to bring more next time you try to camp our station... I didn't even need to reload before you were all dead. But maybe it's because we upshipped you with our 2.5 mil shitfit catalysts, lol.)
Grow a pair and just admit that you don't like us and want to shoot us.
I love flying with the guys from GalMil. Great bunch of dude and some very good pilots. Heck, I'll have fun shooting them and getting shot by them during this war. It's all good. But stop with the preachy BS. it's just silly.
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
39
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Posted - 2016.05.11 05:56:50 -
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Paxx Mandragoran wrote:I love how Roy tries to be all sanctimonious about what a great transgression it is to team up with an "enemy of the gallente militia" and talks about how they fought so hard against the Caldari and that our dealings with Snuff somehow cheapens that... and yet they do this. http://imgur.com/Xjl7HMrSit outside our station in a happy mixed fleet with Caldari militia pilots.
you see the irony in your post? No? let me help you.....
Thats exactly what happens when the lines of war are suddenly not so clear at all.......only thing that changed, now you RDRAW are on the receiving end of ****..... |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
39
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Posted - 2016.05.11 06:01:42 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Veskrashen wrote:This wishy washy stay in the middle crap? That's not sustainable. It's working for them, other people seem to have the problem.
yeah Snuff not having a problem with that mingling i guess......you are known to take advantage out of shooting blues, betraying people, breaking your word, whenever it seems to the advandtage of your corp, now you try to teach your ways to your most loved allies. Good work. |
GalMil Alt'Account
Main Corporation
0
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Posted - 2016.05.11 06:07:51 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Veskrashen wrote:This wishy washy stay in the middle crap? That's not sustainable. It's working for them, other people seem to have the problem. yeah Snuff not having a problem with that mingling i guess......you are known to take advantage out of shooting blues, betraying people, breaking your word, whenever it seems to the advandtage of your corp, now you try to teach your ways to your most loved allies. Good work.
Yes, late the hate flow. Feel it coursing through your body. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
167
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Posted - 2016.05.11 06:50:50 -
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Paxx Mandragoran wrote:I love how Roy tries to be all sanctimonious about what a great transgression it is to team up with an "enemy of the gallente militia" and talks about how they fought so hard against the Caldari and that our dealings with Snuff somehow cheapens that... and yet they do this. http://imgur.com/Xjl7HMrSit outside our station in a happy mixed fleet with Caldari militia pilots.
This proves how disconnected you are to the entire FW idea. When null sec entities would come down into FW space in the past, often -- even during the middle of a fist fight -- a ceasefire is called to oust non-fw groups out of this space. Because it's FW space, plain and simple. How disjointed. You are full of justifications yourselves for what is really a truce with snuff that displaced your fear of snuff. "But they give us money!" What you are getting is crumbs and you can do much better. Gallente honor their cease-fires until non-FW entities are dealt with, then a lull of time permitted before we resume shooting each others faces. I can't say the same for Snuff.
3 years of stale diplomacy you say. I do remember the time RDRAW filled in and took residence in Fliet, along with Aideron Robotics. You had your own comms. Aider had their own comms. Gailmil pilots (I was one among many) that tried to swing between them all. There was never really a problem. Lack of integration or interrelationship forming was leadership from many corporations censoring or prohibiting hopping comms because pilots were too sensitive to criticism. What a damn shame. I do remember too the Oto and Has campaign, which RDRAW began and were the first to give up on. Yet you still think you've done everything on your own. That was the beginning of the bitterness in many. |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
39
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Posted - 2016.05.11 10:59:22 -
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GalMil Alt'Account wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Veskrashen wrote:This wishy washy stay in the middle crap? That's not sustainable. It's working for them, other people seem to have the problem. yeah Snuff not having a problem with that mingling i guess......you are known to take advantage out of shooting blues, betraying people, breaking your word, whenever it seems to the advandtage of your corp, now you try to teach your ways to your most loved allies. Good work. Yes, late the hate flow. Feel it coursing through your body.
do i hate Snuff, yeah ofc, they are enemy, i truly hate all my enemies, even IbanezLazey in his time he was a Squid, but he was a cute Ponny as well ;)
besides that, just facts as everybody in the galaxy knows.... |
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Dreaded Vengance
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
103
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Posted - 2016.05.11 13:26:53 -
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I'm just going to check in my 2p worth as I'm on my lunchbreak.
They are my own, not those of my corp and I don't represent my alliance.
I think there's a bit of an identity crisis going on right now in Galmil with two disparate main groups as Vesk quite rightly states.
In one corner Northern Galmil, who have a long history in FW, have a matured player base and able to afford and field relatively high tier (for FW at least) and competent fleets - that hasn't come about by accident but by having an inclusive view on the militia that has been and always will be maintained. However, the expectations and general style of play has evolved over time to that higher tier, everyone's welcome......buuut we'd like it very much if you'd fit to comp in our legion fleet please. That's making us less accessible to newer players, whether we choose to recognise this or not. IMO we're becoming more like a low-sec pirate coalition than a traditional militia (yeah I know, still FW scrubs)
As a side note: In all honesty, from my own point of view, I rarely partake in the normal run-of-the-mill FW activities. Why? there's no one challenging us at that level, for me, long gone are the days of novice plex grinders trying to defend home systems and there's nothing constructive to be had out of pushing the Calmil corps out of theirs, it's counter intuitive. As a result, while recruiting I turn more people away than I actually bring in as I don't think we (CTRL-Q) can provide enough content for newer players.
In the other corner are RDRAW, who are probably more akin to the above groups earlier version, more willing and able to take in fresh recruits, invest the time and effort to develop them. I've flown with a few of the guys there, they're good people that I have no desire to shoot (but in space every viable target is just that).
I hope thats not a disingenuous assessment in either case.
There's a gap here that diplomacy from both sides has failed to address and more importantly a missed opportunity. That's lead to resentment, which, in all honesty (IMO) only exists between the leadership, mostly while docked or offline. On the field (in my experience) there's been little provocation. Yup, some alts got blapped - but that happens between most groups. The vast majority of encounters have seen, believe it or not, cooperation with little to no drama.
I believe the beef really comes from the fact that RDRAW have chosen to work with another entity; that says to Northen Galmil that in their eye's we're not able to provide that higher tier action desired by RDRAW, in turn we say that Snuff are a long term enemy of our organisation and therefore we're going to break our ties due to this relationship - that happened before any blown out of proportion on field activity.
What i didn't appreciate (and maybe it's just me) is that inclusive model that was built way in the past, well that now comes with a few conditions. The wardec is a statement of that, the reality is not much will really get shot unless Snuff chooses to join in.
I just think it's a shame - imagine what could have been if we'd been able to work together, the numbers we could have fielded under the guidance of that matured core of old hands who have (whether you agree or not) pushed through the boundary of being tied to that base FW activity and do have the ability to duke it out with the bigger boys.
I really like being in Bebop (and that greater N Gamil coalition), there are plenty of personalities but for the most part we're having a laugh in a spaceship game. I do think there's a risk that we'll talk a lot about the past, without remembering where most of us came from and thinking about applying that to RDRAWs current position. I've not forgotten the lesson my corp learnt from our time as Iron Oxide in Minmil, towards the end of our time there, by some, we were starting to be viewed as elitists that only cared about our own goals rather than the health of the Militia. There was some truth in that, not by design or intent but because the gap I mention above was developing.
That's about as much as I can write while eating a bang bang chicken salad. Be nice.
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Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
8
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Posted - 2016.05.11 13:51:03 -
[42] - Quote
Oreb, I totally get the idea of temp truces to shoot high-value targets of opportunity. I've been on grid with CalMil under a temporary agreement, shooting at pirate capitals. (Seems like a different kettle of fish than joining forces in an attempt to station-camp.) But at any rate, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the "GalMil leadership" trying to take some high road about sleeping with the enemy, when they hop into the sack with the enemy all the time. It's also funny that in this very thread we have GalMil leaders saying, "Do we seek to work with the squids to displace them from suj, no, at least I don't. " - and then when the shooting starts.... well... inconsistency, hypocrisy, whatever you wanna call it. /shrug
As for the stale diplomacy stuff... I'm guessing you're addressing someone else. I certainly never mentioned anything about that. I'm too new to FW to comment about years of historical back story. But I can recognize hypocrisy when I see it. And I can smell BS when it's stacked in front of me. So I thought I would mention it. As I said in my original post. If you want to shoot us in the face because you don't like us, then just man up and admit it. Quit trying to hide under some manufactured BS pretense.
Oreb Wing wrote:
This proves how disconnected you are to the entire FW idea. When null sec entities would come down into FW space in the past, often -- even during the middle of a fist fight -- a ceasefire is called to oust non-fw groups out of this space. Because it's FW space, plain and simple. How disjointed. You are full of justifications yourselves for what is really a truce with snuff that displaced your fear of snuff. "But they give us money!" What you are getting is crumbs and you can do much better. Gallente honor their cease-fires until non-FW entities are dealt with, then a lull of time permitted before we resume shooting each others faces. I can't say the same for Snuff.
3 years of stale diplomacy you say. I do remember the time RDRAW filled in and took residence in Fliet, along with Aideron Robotics. You had your own comms. Aider had their own comms. Gailmil pilots (I was one among many) that tried to swing between them all. There was never really a problem. Lack of integration or interrelationship forming was leadership from many corporations censoring or prohibiting hopping comms because pilots were too sensitive to criticism. What a damn shame. I do remember too the Oto and Has campaign, which RDRAW began and were the first to give up on. Yet you still think you've done everything on your own. That was the beginning of the bitterness in many.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
616
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Posted - 2016.05.11 14:22:21 -
[43] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote: As I said in my original post. If you want to shoot us in the face because you don't like Tek, then just man up and admit it.
FTFY
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
889
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Posted - 2016.05.11 14:26:54 -
[44] - Quote
Dreaded Vengance wrote:I believe the beef really comes from the fact that RDRAW have chosen to work with another entity; that says to Northen Galmil that in their eye's we're not able to provide that higher tier action desired by RDRAW, in turn we say that Snuff are a long term enemy of our organisation and therefore we're going to break our ties due to this relationship - that happened before any blown out of proportion on field activity.
What i didn't appreciate (and maybe it's just me) is that inclusive model that was built way in the past, well that now comes with a few conditions. The wardec is a statement of that, the reality is not much will really get shot unless Snuff chooses to join in.
I just think it's a shame - imagine what could have been if we'd been able to work together, the numbers we could have fielded under the guidance of that matured core of old hands who have (whether you agree or not) pushed through the boundary of being tied to that base FW activity and do have the ability to duke it out with the bigger boys. This, I think, gets to the heart of the matter.
Dreaded (and RDRAW) are right in some ways - traditionally, if you wanted higher end doctrines and content, you left militia and moved on to lowsec pirate groups or nullsec.
The GalMil intifada against SNUFF was, in a lot of respects, an effort to be able to take and have those high-end fights (capitals, T3 / pirate BS doctrines, etc) while still maintaining our identity as Gallente Militia. To a large extent, we had some pretty solid successes - forcing out some of the smaller pirate groups, being able to go toe-to-toe with groups like SNUFF up to BS/T3 doctrine fights, incorporating triage, getting fleet sizes in the 150-200+ pilot range, forcing Overload Everything out of our region and into PL - which was a huge improvement and expansion of what we could accomplish as a militia.
We hit a major ceiling when we weren't able to find a counter to SNUFF's supercap umbrella. We could take everything up to and including their carrier fleets, but once those supers started dropping on our heads we couldn't counter. Such was the way of things, and as a result we lost that campaign and turned our eyes to other targets.
At the same time, we did still keep to our roots in FW - we continued to fight CalMil, we continued to push the warzone, we continued to support RDRAW and Aideron in their part of the WZ. We continued to work together.
When RDRAW decided to blue up with SNUFF to get "higher end content" it definitely was a slap in the face. They basically turned their backs on our efforts to incorporate those higher end doctrines and content into the FW experience. They chose, in essence, to take the easy road of jumping on board with an established crew rather than stay with their brothers in the militia to build those capabilities organically - even if that was the harder road.
One thing about the veteran GalMil corps is that we've never taken the easy road. We've chosen militia life, and we've stuck with it through a LOT of pressure that have caused lesser groups to implode and bail from the WZ. We've stood up to every single group that's entered our AOR to the best of our ability, and we've grown stronger and more cohesive as a result. THAT is the root of the bond that lets us put up with the more difficult personalities in our midst, leadership and line member alike.
RDRAW never wanted to be a part of that, for some reason. To them, in a lot of ways, we're trying to "tell them how to play". Which isn't at all the case - we want to bring them into the fold, want to initiate them into our ways, make them brothers in arms the way we have all earned it. We want them along with us as we grow and struggle and fail and bleed and get back up and do it again.
Because THAT is how the bonds are truly forged. Through suffering, and trial, and tribulation. Standing in the cold and darkness surrounding you on all sides, pressing in and causing you to feel all is lost and hopeless. And saying to yourself and your brothers in arms that you will not yield, you will not leave them behind, and that the only way that darkness will triumph is when every clone has died and you're stuck flinging noobships at them from Villore.
RDRAW needs to choose.
If they truly feel closer to SNUFF than us, and if they truly want to follow the path of so many other militia corps before them and leave GalMil to pursue high end pirate BS / supercap doctrines and associated fights, then that's totally fine. We wish them well, and hope they find everything they're looking for. But if that's the case, then they should stop pretending to be aligned with the greater militia cause and just drop FW. They can still get all the small gang skirmish warfare they want while remaining neutral to the militias.
If they want to stay in militia, we would welcome them with open arms. We'd love to have their support as we look to take on high end content ourselves, figuring out how to fight uphill against supercap blobs and win in unconventional ways. We'd be able to offer them everything they want int terms of content outside of being able to conveniently titan bridge out of Sujarento.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1855
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Posted - 2016.05.11 14:31:31 -
[45] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Oreb, I totally get the idea of temp truces to shoot high-value targets of opportunity. I've been on grid with CalMil under a temporary agreement, shooting at pirate capitals. (Seems like a different kettle of fish than joining forces in an attempt to station-camp.) But at any rate, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the "GalMil leadership" trying to take some high road about sleeping with the enemy, when they hop into the sack with the enemy all the time. It's also funny that in this very thread we have GalMil leaders saying, "Do we seek to work with the squids to displace them from suj, no, at least I don't. " - and then when the shooting starts.... well... inconsistency, hypocrisy, whatever you wanna call it. /shrug
As for the stale diplomacy stuff... I'm guessing you're addressing someone else. I certainly never mentioned anything about that. I'm too new to FW to comment about years of historical back story. But I can recognize hypocrisy when I see it. And I can smell BS when it's stacked in front of me. So I thought I would mention it. As I said in my original post. If you want to shoot us in the face because you don't like us, then just man up and admit it. Quit trying to hide under some manufactured BS pretense.
I like RDRAW, i appreciate what they have done for the WZ even if others dont.
However, once you call in SNUFD to gank what was clearly a friendly cap, you have crossed a line. Complaining and calling hypocrisy when other people join you on the other side of that line is bad form.
Its very unlikely that tek will post a comment apologising for breaching trust, which leaves RDRAW with awox branding, under what can only be assumed as the complete direction of SNUFD. |
Dreaded Vengance
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
103
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:22:23 -
[46] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
However, once you call in SNUFD to gank what was clearly a friendly cap, you have crossed a line. Complaining and calling hypocrisy when other people join you on the other side of that line is bad form.
It's certainly possible that happened. That could have been intentional or via general chatter, by their leadership or just a line member just stating that caps were engaged.
It's also possible SNUFD just read our intel channels or they had eyes in system - I certainly knew about it, miles away from my exquisitely constructed battlestation.
The net result was - no blue caps were lost.
I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that we believe what we want to believe sometimes rather than having a solid case. There's nothing wrong in saying - me no like you, now lets pew. Justification done, no drawn out bickering.
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Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
8
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:25:20 -
[47] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote: However, once you call in SNUFD to gank what was clearly a friendly cap, you have crossed a line. Complaining and calling hypocrisy when other people join you on the other side of that line is bad form.
I love how everyone assumes we have SNUFF on a leash and can drop them on whatever we want, including as retribution for a dead comet. And I suppose you have a pretty high opinion of them if you think they can form up and drop in under 30 seconds from the time things went south with the comet awox.
Hell, even the Beebop FC who got dropped on doesn't think RDRAW was responsible (See his comments buried in this reddit thread... https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4icr1p/spaceshipbebop_declare_war_on_rapid_withdrawal/ ) But that gets ignored in the rush to try to spin things.
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JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
30
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:46:20 -
[48] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: However, once you call in SNUFD to gank what was clearly a friendly cap, you have crossed a line. Complaining and calling hypocrisy when other people join you on the other side of that line is bad form.
Dude, even the Beebop FC who got dropped on doesn't think RDRAW was responsible (See his comments buried in this reddit thread... https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4icr1p/spaceshipbebop_declare_war_on_rapid_withdrawal/ ) But I guess it fits the narrative better to ignore that and cry foul.
well even the possibility that they did, is a pretty good reason to get them wardecced, and of course tackling" the should be blue capitals".. and killing the loot on the kills they just whored on. (hmm maybe they want tokeep us agressed for snuff (even when its not the most convincing theorie for you)
the fact that we have to think about stuff like that is clearly an indication sth. goes wrong when you blue reds to your blues.... now we've got a clear line again
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
616
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:46:52 -
[49] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:But I guess it fits the narrative better to ignore that and cry foul.
It makes for a more entertaining forum thread anyways.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:47:19 -
[50] - Quote
1) Obv we are really bad at hunting capitals. We've only bloppsed and DDed a few dozen this month. So we had no idea caps were dropped in Nis and had to be told. -_- 2) Certain elements of GalMil leadership are historically super salty and toxic, would you want to work with them given the choice? 3) When was the last time GalMil had a true large scale engagement with BBC that they weren't assisted by Pred Elite or NC.? And would a small smattering (at the time) of Rapid Withdrawal pilots really made the difference against our super wing? |
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
889
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:11:11 -
[51] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:2) Certain elements of GalMil leadership are historically super salty and toxic, would you want to work with them given the choice?
Yup, there's some salty difficult mofos to work with. It's part of why BLFOX isn't in BEBOP anymore.
That said, those salty difficult mofos have always had our back and always been there when we needed them, and the same goes in reverse. As difficult as they may be, we're generally heading in the same direction on most things.
Don't have to be bosom buddies to work together on common goals.
Quote:3) When was the last time GalMil had a true large scale engagement with BBC that they weren't assisted by Pred Elite or NC.? And would a small smattering (at the time) of Rapid Withdrawal pilots really made the difference against our super wing?
That'd be when you dropped 25 supers during the engagement, NC. and us couldn't hold tackle on any of them. As I mentioned above, that was when we knew we'd hit the ceiling and couldn't compete against your ability to escalate past anything we could counter
Would RDRAW have made a difference then? Maybe not.
Would having RDRAW there fighting with us have strengthened our bonds together? Absolutely. Would it have made us more competitive against other mid-tier lowsec groups? Absolutely. Could we have built even more capable doctrines with their pilots involved? Absolutely.
And, now that capital mechanics have changed, it's possible that having RDRAW on board with the larger GalMil could enable us to start trying to push our way back up the escalation ladder. Who knows? Capitals in general have little application in traditional FW objectives, but we've built a pretty solid capital wing anyways because we're pursuing more traditional lowsec fights as well. Maybe we should look at getting some supers and titans, maybe there is space for that kind of content within the militia. Chuck used to have a titan after all, and Windrunners had a couple too.
But, we won't really know if folks don't pursue that goal together. It's not like we can't farm up the isk to make it happen.
Quote:1) Obv we are really bad at hunting capitals. We've only bloppsed and DDed a few dozen this month. So we had no idea caps were dropped in Nis and had to be told. -_-
To me (and probably only to me) this isn't even really part of the issue anymore. Sure, it was the straw that broke the camel's back and all for a few of the mainline GalMil crews, but whether the intel was leaked or you saw it on your own is secondary to the fact that you dropped on field while RDRAW was there, and that RDRAW had pointed our caps before that. It feeds right into the perception that they can't be trusted, and honestly I don't blame folks who are suspicious of your relationship with RDRAW. Stuff like this just feeds into the same narrative that early instances of our guys getting ganked in plexes by SNUFF while RDRAW stood by watching - that RDRAW wouldn't support the larger militia when the chips were down.
It's sad, but kind of inevitable given their self-selected isolation from the rest of us.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1855
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Posted - 2016.05.11 16:43:07 -
[52] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: However, once you call in SNUFD to gank what was clearly a friendly cap, you have crossed a line. Complaining and calling hypocrisy when other people join you on the other side of that line is bad form.
Dude, even the Beebop FC who got dropped on doesn't think RDRAW was responsible (See his comments buried in this reddit thread... https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4icr1p/spaceshipbebop_declare_war_on_rapid_withdrawal/ ) But I guess it fits the narrative better to ignore that and cry foul.
My understanding is that RDRAW tackled the neutral carrier, and no one was certain who lit the cyno |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.11 17:42:26 -
[53] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:1) Obv we are really bad at hunting capitals. We've only bloppsed and DDed a few dozen this month. So we had no idea caps were dropped in Nis and had to be told. -_- Thats a bit disingenuous, all intel comes from somewhere. No one said you didnt know caps were being dropped. Obviously you did. Were just questioning the origin of the intel. If you are implying that you have a perma active network of alts watching all possible cap movements in the area, can i suggest training cyno on those alts so you can respond in time? Im going to question your super l33t cap hunting skills since you didnt seem to notice the squid caps crippled on the station. Your all seeing eye doesnt appear to have kicked in until after RDRAW arrived and started tackling caps that were, clearly, militia affiliated.
Alts in Snuff are mandatory, it is quite easy to get a 1 day toon with a cloak and a cyno (yay SP injectors) into staging systems to see caps unlock. As far as the timing, I **** you not from your own Slack we have been timed apparently we have a 14m response time (11 now that Rdraw "feeds" us Intel.) So by GalMil's own number we showed up on time.
Like has been said a couple times just step away from the BS premises and just admit you dislike Tek, SNUFF and an excuse to fight is just that, an excuse. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1855
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Posted - 2016.05.11 17:58:23 -
[54] - Quote
So you had eyes and cyno in system, you are one jump away, rather than having to mid or take gates, you all are docked in a single station making forming easy, and you are happy that you managed to respond a few minutes slower than gal mil?
Im not even remotely dizzy from this spin. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
616
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:03:07 -
[55] - Quote
Something, Something, Spaceships?
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:03:23 -
[56] - Quote
Oh I wasn't there, so no spin, just speculation. Seeing you have to ping, form, deal with tz issues. I want this war to happen, ask anyone, I just think the premise is ********. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
889
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:08:54 -
[57] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Like has been said a couple times just step away from the BS premises and just admit you dislike Tek, SNUFF and an excuse to fight is just that, an excuse.
More accurate that the arrangement between SNUFF and Tek has become untenable to a number of GalMil folks, and the wardec is generally intended to ensure we're able to see RDRAW on our overview distinctly... and that we don't murder our standings should we need to engage them.
So, mostly right.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
185
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:32:23 -
[58] - Quote
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:GalMil Alt'Account wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Veskrashen wrote:This wishy washy stay in the middle crap? That's not sustainable. It's working for them, other people seem to have the problem. yeah Snuff not having a problem with that mingling i guess......you are known to take advantage out of shooting blues, betraying people, breaking your word, whenever it seems to the advandtage of your corp, now you try to teach your ways to your most loved allies. Good work. Yes, late the hate flow. Feel it coursing through your body. do i hate Snuff, yeah ofc, they are enemy, i truly hate all my enemies, even IbanezLazey in his time he was a Squid, but he was a cute Ponny as well ;) besides that, just facts as everybody in the galaxy knows....
"Hate" is a very strong word for a game
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1856
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:37:56 -
[59] - Quote
Thats odd, i pity most snuff pilots who choose to play eve in easy mode.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
616
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:45:46 -
[60] - Quote
Wouldn't it be cool if we could all just go to null and kill nullbears?
oh wait..........
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eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
185
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:47:58 -
[61] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Thats odd, i pity most snuff pilots who choose to play eve in easy mode.
Funny how we play for our own reasons but never miss an opportunity to criticize others for theirs.
you sure you're not mistake pity for envy?
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Kontraband Venning
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Spaceship Bebop
8
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Posted - 2016.05.11 18:51:18 -
[62] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:I love how Roy tries to be all sanctimonious about what a great transgression it is to team up with an "enemy of the gallente militia" and talks about how they fought so hard against the Caldari and that our dealings with Snuff somehow cheapens that... and yet they do this. http://imgur.com/Xjl7HMrSit outside our station in a happy mixed fleet with Caldari militia pilots. I don't care if you want to team up with people to try to kill us... but don't try to take some moral high ground about how we've somehow betrayed the militia by doing things totally unrelated to faction warfare with a pirate group - when you run Caldari alts to plex for the opposition and combine fleets with CalMil to try to shoot us. (By the way, you're gonna need to bring more next time you try to camp our station... I didn't even need to reload before you were all dead. But maybe it's because we upshipped you with our 2.5 mil shitfit catalysts, lol.) Grow a pair and just admit that you don't like us and want to shoot us. I love flying with the guys from GalMil. Great bunch of dude and some very good pilots. Heck, I'll have fun shooting them and getting shot by them during this war. It's all good. But stop with the preachy BS. it's just silly.
We're XMETA, we are not too much in to over thinking things. We're currently at war, and as such our primary focus is shooting those targets. If that means shooting other targets has to take a back seat so be it. We have no formal arrangement with any squid or pirate group. In this case they just happened to understand where our priority's lie.
No mixed fleet.
No blue standings.
Yours truly,
The junkyard dogs of Gal Mil. |
Silver Suspiria
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Spaceship Bebop
6
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Posted - 2016.05.11 19:32:41 -
[63] - Quote
Even the Squids know you cant have your cake and eat it to.
Plenty of vids up with XMETA Brawling with Templis, we shoot all war targets.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1856
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Posted - 2016.05.11 19:43:12 -
[64] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Thats odd, i pity most snuff pilots who choose to play eve in easy mode.
Funny how we play for our own reasons but never miss an opportunity to criticize others for theirs. you sure you're not mistake pity for envy?
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Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
8
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Posted - 2016.05.11 19:57:10 -
[65] - Quote
Kontraband Venning wrote:
We're XMETA, we are not too much in to over thinking things. We're currently at war, and as such our primary focus is shooting those targets. If that means shooting other targets has to take a back seat so be it. We have no formal arrangement with any squid or pirate group. In this case they just happened to understand where our priority's lie.
No mixed fleet.
No blue standings.
Yours truly,
The junkyard dogs of Gal Mil.
I get that, and I totally respect it. I don't have any problems with you allying (whether just for a few minutes or for the duration) with whoever you want in order to pew pew with us while we're at war... I just thought it was funny in the context of GalMil's stated casus belli and makes your leadership look silly.
As for the guys on grid with the pointy sticks.... all's fair in love and war. Good fight. I look forward to flying against you guys again for the duration of the war, and with you after this all settles down.
/salute
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Silver Suspiria
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Spaceship Bebop
6
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Posted - 2016.05.11 20:10:17 -
[66] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Kontraband Venning wrote:
We're XMETA, we are not too much in to over thinking things. We're currently at war, and as such our primary focus is shooting those targets. If that means shooting other targets has to take a back seat so be it. We have no formal arrangement with any squid or pirate group. In this case they just happened to understand where our priority's lie.
No mixed fleet.
No blue standings.
Yours truly,
The junkyard dogs of Gal Mil.
I get that, and I totally respect it. I don't have any problems with you allying (whether just for a few minutes or for the duration) with whoever you want in order to pew pew with us while we're at war... I just thought it was funny in the context of GalMil's stated casus belli and makes your leadership look silly. As for the guys on grid with the pointy sticks.... all's fair in love and war. Good fight. I look forward to flying against you guys again for the duration of the war, and with you after this all settles down. /salute
Paxx, There is a very big difference between your enemy is my enemy so we are going to sit on grid and shoot the same targets and formally declaring blue status and sharing information. Youre reaching here making that comparison.
Make no mistake the cluster that was outside your station last night was not planned and extremely uncomfortable with several of us locking each other and some frantic private messaging about each others intent.
XMETA and Templis have a long standing rivalry and that conflict is a huge part of our content.
You know very well you want your cake and it eat it to and all this war is about is to show you, you cant :)
At the end of the day none of this at all personal, its all in good content and frankly I am happy you guys did what you did. Its my opinion the war zone is pushed too hard to the point the squids have like 2 active corps. So this is great sand box content and I love it. |
Kontraband Venning
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Spaceship Bebop
9
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Posted - 2016.05.11 20:47:12 -
[67] - Quote
Ya'll must be innocent if enemies are willing to ignore each other on your undock, just so they can sit out there with pitch forks. |
Racro Arifistan
Schneckt
3
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Posted - 2016.05.12 05:52:31 -
[68] - Quote
Us poor old Schneckteer's are stuck in the middle of things :X next door and living with RDRAW then theres SNUFF also next door.. major pinch.
Space Chimp
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
315
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Posted - 2016.05.12 07:21:51 -
[69] - Quote
Racro Arifistan wrote:Us poor old Schneckteer's are stuck in the middle of things :X next door and living with RDRAW then theres SNUFF also next door.. major pinch.
You do know there is a shared galmil comms that everyone is welcome to join and interact with the other long standing galmil corps.....
I don't think I've seen you guys on comms. You should fix that so we can help you out of that pinch, as the major goal (at least for JUSTK) has always been militia > corp; read militia is always more important than everything else. When fellow militia guys need help we step up and come help.
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
315
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Posted - 2016.05.12 07:30:07 -
[70] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Kontraband Venning wrote:
We're XMETA, we are not too much in to over thinking things. We're currently at war, and as such our primary focus is shooting those targets. If that means shooting other targets has to take a back seat so be it. We have no formal arrangement with any squid or pirate group. In this case they just happened to understand where our priority's lie.
No mixed fleet.
No blue standings.
Yours truly,
The junkyard dogs of Gal Mil.
I get that, and I totally respect it. I don't have any problems with you allying (whether just for a few minutes or for the duration) with whoever you want in order to pew pew with us while we're at war... I just thought it was funny in the context of GalMil's stated casus belli and makes your leadership look silly. As for the guys on grid with the pointy sticks.... all's fair in love and war. Good fight. I look forward to flying against you guys again for the duration of the war, and with you after this all settles down. /salute
The difference between temp blue'ing for a fight and perma-blue'ing/becoming a feeder corp is like comparing apples to oranges. There isn't even an ounce of similarity. And that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is why everyone is unhappy with Rdraw. It's sad that you guys don't see that
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
441
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Posted - 2016.05.12 08:04:07 -
[71] - Quote
You do realise bacardi is like one of the games biggest trolls and wooden shoe lover
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Grimwood
Perimeter Defense Systems Plexodus
35
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Posted - 2016.05.12 08:32:58 -
[72] - Quote
I would like to remind you all that Plexodus is recruiting corps/pilots Benefits of Plexodus -Bowls of food/water provided -Boxes to defecate/urinate in -You may even get to fly with Exodus if you don't suck Cons of Plexodus -None, because no one in calmil cares that we are affiliated! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1571
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Posted - 2016.05.12 08:37:36 -
[73] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again. This is an outright lie.
Actually it isn't a lie. It is one of the few true things I have ever typed on these forums.
Maybe you don't know your own people as well as you think you do.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1571
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Posted - 2016.05.12 08:39:03 -
[74] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again. interesting post, but wrong.
You sure?
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Grimwood
Perimeter Defense Systems Plexodus
35
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Posted - 2016.05.12 09:32:58 -
[75] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote: I have relations with kangaroos Gross dude |
James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
38
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Posted - 2016.05.12 10:53:39 -
[76] - Quote
The poor kangaroos
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1171
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Posted - 2016.05.12 11:06:21 -
[77] - Quote
Grimwood wrote:I would like to remind you all that Plexodus is recruiting corps/pilots Benefits of Plexodus -Bowls of food/water provided -Boxes to defecate/urinate in -You may even get to fly with Exodus if you don't suck Cons of Plexodus -None, because no one in calmil cares that we are affiliated!
GIB BAK SMALL PLEX LP
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4413
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Posted - 2016.05.12 11:07:02 -
[78] - Quote
Silver Suspiria wrote:You know very well you want your cake and it eat it too and all this war is about is to show you, you cant :) /thread, /discussion, /RDRAW
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4414
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Posted - 2016.05.12 11:28:39 -
[79] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:When RDRAW decided to blue up with SNUFF to get "higher end content" it definitely was a slap in the face. They basically turned their backs on our efforts to incorporate those higher end doctrines and content into the FW experience. They chose, in essence, to take the easy road of jumping on board with an established crew rather than stay with their brothers in the militia to build those capabilities organically - even if that was the harder road. Vesk hits the nail on the head, imo.
This is the reason I don't think RDRAW leadership will ever be taken seriously by galmil.
Compared to stronger organizations, we may be just FW scrubs but we've never taken the easy road.
That's a pretty huge part of galmil culture and pride that anyone that blues with the (ex- ?) largest fish in the pond will likely never understand or be part of.
Dread Operative wrote:And would a small smattering (at the time) of Rapid Withdrawal pilots really made the difference against our super wing? On the field, who knows? In terms of forging strong bonds, absolutely.
But hey, what would rabid friendly-supercap killing lemmings know about things like that?
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
891
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Posted - 2016.05.12 11:36:40 -
[80] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Thats odd, i pity most snuff pilots who choose to play eve in easy mode.
Funny how we play for our own reasons but never miss an opportunity to criticize others for theirs. you sure you're not mistake pity for envy? Given how much GalMil prides itself on not doing it the easy way, I doubt Crosi is confused.
About that at least.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:45:37 -
[81] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:Dread Operative wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:A lot of Snuff members are not happy about the blue with RDRAW either.
Many are using alts to shoot RDRAW until the time comes when they can do it on their mains again. This is an outright lie. Actually it isn't a lie. It is one of the few true things I have ever typed on these forums. Maybe you don't know your own people as well as you think you do.
I don't think you understand what "a lot" means. Do a FEW people not like Rdraw blue cause it messes with their solo content, sure.
But I know you're a troll, so continue to run with it. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:50:28 -
[82] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Dread Operative wrote:And would a small smattering (at the time) of Rapid Withdrawal pilots really made the difference against our super wing? On the field, who knows? In terms of forging strong bonds, absolutely. But hey, what would rabid friendly-supercap killing lemmings know about things like that?
Nice attempt at character attack, but if you read Reddit, FHC, and any of the interviews I was vehemently outspoken about the incident. Regardless your attempted insult doesn't link with the point your trying to make. Please try again.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4416
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:56:33 -
[83] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Dread Operative wrote:And would a small smattering (at the time) of Rapid Withdrawal pilots really made the difference against our super wing? On the field, who knows? In terms of forging strong bonds, absolutely. But hey, what would rabid friendly-supercap killing lemmings know about things like that? Nice attempt at character attack, but if you read Reddit, FHC, and any of the interviews I was vehemently outspoken about the incident. Regardless your attempted insult doesn't link with the point your trying to make. Please try again. I missed your interviews. Link?
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1858
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Posted - 2016.05.12 14:13:45 -
[84] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote: Nice attempt at character attack, but if you read Reddit, FHC, and any of the interviews I was vehemently outspoken about the incident. Regardless your attempted insult doesn't link with the point your trying to make. Please try again.
Its very reassuring that you were brave enough to say words in reaction to a pointless betrayal. Words > actions. Oh, and even though you were 'vehemently against it', you still managed to stay in an easy mode alliance, so brave.
Im glad that your words were enough to repair your alliances reputation lol. |
Lexiana Del'Amore
Nouvelle Rouvenor Spaceship Bebop
190
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:09:48 -
[85] - Quote
Gallente brothers and sisters are fighting eachother cuz Caldari have been a joke for 2 years now...
No real problem with RDRAW myself... |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:37:06 -
[86] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote: Nice attempt at character attack, but if you read Reddit, FHC, and any of the interviews I was vehemently outspoken about the incident. Regardless your attempted insult doesn't link with the point your trying to make. Please try again.
Its very reassuring that you were brave enough to say words in reaction to a pointless betrayal. Words > actions. Oh, and even though you were 'vehemently against it', you still managed to stay in an easy mode alliance, so brave. Im glad that your words were enough to repair your alliances reputation lol.
1/10 horrible troll and attempt of trigger words.
Yes, because I chose not to let the decision of a handful of people ruin my game for me and to push me away from something that I helped build. Shame on me. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:38:37 -
[87] - Quote
Anyhow back to point, seems this war has mostly been fought on the forums and reddit. Please do something for real already. |
James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
38
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:10:40 -
[88] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Anyhow back to point, seems this war has mostly been fought on the forums and reddit. Please do something for real already.
This
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
57
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:11:55 -
[89] - Quote
I thought Reddit was where wars were fought in 2016. |
Master Sergeant MacRobert
Space-Brewery-Association Team Amarrica
260
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:15:37 -
[90] - Quote
This all seems like the 1st or 2nd act in the story of the Prodigal Son.
Quantum Cats Syndicate left their family and they're currently all bitter until the last act. Friends again in 2017?
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1858
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:32:53 -
[91] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote: 1/10 horrible troll and attempt of trigger words.
Yes, because I chose not to let the decision of my main FC, CEO and head of the alliance, ruin my easy-mode game for me and to push me away from something cancerous that I helped build. Shame on me.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
801
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Posted - 2016.05.12 21:38:58 -
[92] - Quote
Lexiana Del'Amore wrote:Gallente brothers and sisters are fighting each other cuz Caldari have been a joke for 2 years now...
No real problem with RDRAW myself...
There is alot of truth to this. It's nigh impossible to get a fight out of Cal Mil that doesn't involve gate camping Svipuls or upshipped/outnumbered blobbing that runs at first sign of potential danger. Cal Mil solo'ers and small gangs are virtually nonexistent in most time zones.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
801
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:04:54 -
[93] - Quote
Regardless, the incident that is being portrayed as a casus belli is a lot of nonsense. From what I understand, someone undocked their neutral fax into a fight and was surprised when it got shot at, and then some of you started deploying caps 3 jumps from Snuff's staging system and were surprised when they showed up quickly. When literally their primary form of content as an organization is hunting capitals and supercapitals. The whole thing is just an excuse to kick something off that a few people in GalMil leadership have wanted for awhile. They just needed a valid reason to feed their grunts.
From my admittedly limited perspective, this divide seems to be fundamentally about the desire/dream of some of the old Galmil leadership to build Galmil into a supercap wielding, fully escalation capable power bloc capable of going toe to toe with groups like Snuff and SC all the way up the escalation ladder and quickly and regularly forming large end-game doctrine fleets. They want to build Galmil into something like Snuff or SC to the point where it would be this power bloc within GalMil having free run of the warzone under a protective super umbrella, rather than the other way around. This isn't necessarily a bad dream or objective to work toward long term. But you've got some folks like our Dear Leader (long may he rule) Tek Stalker who don't share this exact vision and aren't possessed of a burning desire to kick Snuff's teeth in at every possible opportunity and send them limping off to null where they belong.
I've flown with snuff a few times now. Been dropped on by them a few times. First time I saw a Nyx up close. They don't seem like a bad bunch as filthy pirates go. And I think there are many people in FW and in RDRAW who can't or don't wish to dedicate the time and effort to this game to be a part of a supercap wielding, moon farming power player. Access to that kind of content through an ally without having to structure our own organization the same way is pretty appealing. Basically, this whole little scrap is about a difference in vision and some serious resentment on the part of long term Galmil leadership that some of the newer kids on the bloc aren't keen to follow their lead, despite that fact that the greybeards believe (perhaps rightly) that they are owed some deference due to their seniority and past deeds.
Beyond that, I have only one thing more to say..
We shall go on til the end. We shall fight in Tama. We shall fight on the stargates and in the complexes. We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength amongst the stars, we shall defend our system, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the stations, we shall fight on the moons, we shall fight in the belts and on the planets, we shall fight upon the link Tengus in the very depths of space; we shall never surrender. Let us brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if our glorious corporation should endure a thousand years, men will still say, this was their finest hour. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1573
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Posted - 2016.05.13 00:56:50 -
[94] - Quote
Grimwood wrote:IbanezLaney wrote: I have relations with kangaroos Gross dude
Those Kangaroos were all willing participants.
The Koalas on the otherhand........
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
127
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Posted - 2016.05.13 03:58:27 -
[95] - Quote
Quote:The Koalas on the otherhand........
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2949
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:02:48 -
[96] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Dread Operative wrote:And would a small smattering (at the time) of Rapid Withdrawal pilots really made the difference against our super wing? On the field, who knows? In terms of forging strong bonds, absolutely. But hey, what would rabid friendly-supercap killing lemmings know about things like that? Nice attempt at character attack, but if you read Reddit, FHC, and any of the interviews I was vehemently outspoken about the incident. Regardless your attempted insult doesn't link with the point your trying to make. Please try again. You're still in Snuff, so apparently shooting blues isn't too big of a deal for you. Enough to be "vemently outspoken" but not enough to "make a stand" or "do something about it." ?
JUSTK is recruiting.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2949
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:07:10 -
[97] - Quote
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
From my admittedly limited perspective, this divide seems to be fundamentally about the desire/dream of some of the old Galmil leadership to build Galmil into a supercap wielding, fully escalation capable power bloc capable of going toe to toe with groups like Snuff and SC all the way up the escalation ladder and quickly and regularly forming large end-game doctrine fleets.
Nah it's really about militia corporations permabluing Snuff when they could simply temp-blue them. That way when Snuff hotdrops a militia fleet like what started this soap opera, then you can actually shoot back at them without any restrictions. That's pretty much it.
Hopefully all this militia sexual tension gets released sooner rather than later. But whatever.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2949
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:09:44 -
[98] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Anyhow back to point, seems this war has mostly been fought on the forums and reddit. Please do something for real already. You've just described every low sec war I've ever been part of. It's clear Snuff refuses to act because last time you war dec'd a Gallente Militia corp you lost half of your corps.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
39
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:42:58 -
[99] - Quote
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:...wrote a lot of stuff.......
several miconceptions there, i might enlighten for you: 1. "Regardless, the incident that is being portrayed as a casus belli is a lot of nonsense" - The Nisuwa inccident was the last straw of a story unfoling, not THE casus belli
2. "They just needed a valid reason to feed their grunts." therehave been many reasons before to wardecced/set red your corp, starting with beeing blue to Snuff, that alone is reason enough for me to be red, so really not more reasons needed. In contraray several groups and individuals holded back their grunts because they wished to work together with u, as ur alliance to GalMil showed, you wanted to work togeterher with others in GalMil. But that cooperation towards the common goal of warzone domination in all aspects was not wished very much for from your side, it seems. Especially your "blue" with one of the greatest threads of the zone clearly shows that.
3. "of some of the old Galmil leadership" let me say you one thing, there is no "Leadership" at all.....there are groups of people who work together and try to decide together and work together on killing stuff so that much is true, but what the rest of GalMil does....no one knows...so no leadership there, that "old leadership" thingiee you alwas talk about that is just bullshit. There are leaders of organisations which work together for a common goal of destroying things and having fun in the process, your corp has been part of that anarchic, democratic chaos and doesnt seem to like it, just say it.
4. If where is a "leadership" that has anything to say, then why only a few groups of GalMil has declared war on you? and then some others like Aideron or Crosis or Lexis corp stay neutral? (which btw is totally respected by the wardeccing corps, no hard words to them whatsoever, its just respected, because they can do what they want, hec i respect, that even in my corp there are ppl who say, **** this bullshit iam not part of it, to which i say, ok, do as you like, mate).....so where ist that "leadership" you endlessly talking about? shouldt it rage on Crosi, or Lexi or ppl not particpating, drop them from fleets, accuse them on forums et al? Where is the "LEADERSHIP" hello? It really just looks like an excuse from your side, that in your heart you dont want to be part of in the anarchic, chaotic thing what is GalMil at its core, you just dont like it and want some bigger, more organised, more "leaded" organisation like Snuff, which for me is totally fine. But show your true colours there and dont hide and excuse all the time please.
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
441
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:42:59 -
[100] - Quote
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:. They want to build Galmil into something like Snuff or SC to the point where it would be this power bloc within GalMil having free run of the warzone under a protective super umbrella, rather than the other way around. This isn't necessarily a bad dream or objective to work toward long term. But you've got some folks like our Dear Leader (long may he rule) Tek Stalker who don't share this exact vision
Rdraw blued one of those mentioned entitys that does exactly this and for Higher End Content then says Tek didnt share that vison.
my face
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2951
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:49:47 -
[101] - Quote
Sean Parisi wrote: I understand at times like this the Gallente are not able to style their hair - that they end up with frayed knots and other such issues. . There is nothing wrong with frayed knots. In fact, all the cool kids (like Crosi) have them.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Noir. Mercenary Coalition
354
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Posted - 2016.05.13 09:28:27 -
[102] - Quote
Having had experience of 2 militia civil wars as both a grunt and leadership. I have a little advice for the sake of your militia:
1) You could do with trying to agree mutual rules of engagement. For example I-HUB bashes in public fleets are a bad idea to prosecute the war in. Any neutral corps/pilots involved will get darn annoyed if they start having their fleet mates killed whilst they are trying to achieve a strategic objective for the militia. You then risk dragging more people into picking a side.
2) Try and keep talking to each other civilly, unless your goal is to force your opponent out of the militia you may have to 'kiss and make up' eventually. If RDRAW are forced out of the militia then they will either join Snuff outright or possibly join another militia and become bitter enemies. Likewise if 'the greybeards' get fed up and leave outright then a majority of Gal Mils higher skill pilots leave as well which can hamstring a militia for years to come.
That's all the advice I can give really without appearing to pick sides (which I am prohibited from doing by my current employers).
As to comments on the Mini Civil wars it's sounds like a different situation. The first civil war was in direct response to open aggression from Winmatar AWOXing militia Poses for their own gain and refusing to back down. They had to leave the militia because they were openly co-ordinating AWOXes. The 2nd Civil War was really civil war 1.1 a lot of noise and little fighting because the goal was to stop them recruiting and growing in strength again. Op success both times but the militia suffered long lasting wounds from the episode.
It sounds like your situation may be avoidable if both sides wish to compromise. |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
185
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Posted - 2016.05.13 11:20:44 -
[103] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:eddie valvetino wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Thats odd, i pity most snuff pilots who choose to play eve in easy mode.
Funny how we play for our own reasons but never miss an opportunity to criticize others for theirs. you sure you're not mistake pity for envy? Everyone likes to win, some like a challenge. No shame in wanting easy mode mate, you enjoy coming to the forums to tell people how much better you are than them. I guess being in snufd and shouting at militia pilots is the best way to do that. I will not judge, please dont be triggered.
There are many ways to be "better" than someone.
Better fits, better back up, better funding and high levels of expirence.
Also, you can only kill that which is put in front of you.. you're not party to the internal elements of Snuff.. but we take great care in trying not to blop.
Can we help it if people "pat" phone us? not really... we also have a VERY short blue list and very true "friends"
The fact is... and this is what makes us "better" is choice.. we can choose who we fly with, kick those that don't fly the right fits and sadly, I speak with a great deal of expirence of FW and FCing FW fleets, FW has none of those choices. Nor do you have the control of the SP levels or fits of the fleets you can muster.
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Dreaded Vengance
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
106
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Posted - 2016.05.13 12:22:27 -
[104] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote:The fact is... and this is what makes us "better" is choice.. we can choose who we fly with, kick those that don't fly the right fits and sadly, I speak with a great deal of expirence of FW and FCing FW fleets, FW has none of those choices. Nor do you have the control of the SP levels or fits of the fleets you can muster.
True for general militia fleets but within the established corps/alliances it's not far off in terms of fleet access and quality control. Sometimes we'll choose to open up our fleets, sometimes we won't - tiz circumstantial.
It is more of a challenge though - example that springs to mind is making sure that guard pilots have and understand the importance of logi lvl 5. 4 out of 5 will, but there's always that one guy. Just FW things.
CTRL-Q are recruiting - Gallente Faction Warfare, Small Gang, Low Sec PvP, New Player friendly. Want to know the truth about low sec?
Diary of a Low Sec Capsuleer
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
892
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Posted - 2016.05.13 13:22:16 -
[105] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote:The fact is... and this is what makes us "better" is choice.. we can choose who we fly with, kick those that don't fly the right fits and sadly, I speak with a great deal of expirence of FW and FCing FW fleets, FW has none of those choices. Nor do you have the control of the SP levels or fits of the fleets you can muster. Full props to SNUFF for the things you can pull off with your high end fleets - watching to dismantle Gewns when they tried not to suck at lowsec made me downright giddy with schadenfreude. And you're similarly correct in that having clear standards about fits, required implants, etc is part of what allows you to fly those high end fits and fleet comps. Finally, specializing in those kinds of fleet comps lets you get really, really good at them - and make no mistake, noone in GalMil thinks you're bad at what you do.
Where I object is that you seem to think that unless a corp/alliance has such rigid standards, we're not "better" at what we do. I further object to the idea that simply because we're in FW we have no quality control or standards that folks need to work towards. Finally, I strenuously object to the notion that the only valid content is the high end stuff and that nothing else matters.
The simple fact is that the mainline oldskool GalMil corps actually have very high standards for pilots to meet, and the nature of FW requires us to be competent at a very wide variety of fleet comps across the entire spectrum of ship sizes. Add in our efforts to push the high end of that range into T3s / Pirate or Faction BS / Capitals, and it becomes obvious that becoming proficient at every point in the "Derptrons to Dreadnaughts" continuum of conflict is no easy task at all.
But - and here's the interesting thing - because we have such a massive range of doctrines, our pilots will generally end up naturally filling similar roles across those doctrine spectrums. We further require pretty much everyone to fly logi, and guilt them into training the relevant skills to 5, so we're always able to fill those roles as needed. Lower SP pilots actually tend to be shunted into DPS boats rather than EWAR recently, since we've been relying on shinier boats for tackle / web / paint support and haven't had many pilots who can't fly our mainline DPS doctrines.
So, really, we're looking to get "better" by taking a group of pilots - from different corps and alliances, sure, but those have remained fairly stable entities over time - and pushing the higher end of our capabilities while retaining our ability to run lower end and solo / small gang comps as well as we ever have. That's a much different challenge from an individual and organizational perspective than just lopping off or excluding anyone who can't pursue the higher end of that scale in the same way.
To give some perspective, our veteran pilots are able to competently fly the following doctrine boats at a moment's notice, and switch between them multiple times per hour if needed:
- DERPTRONZ!!! - Armor Brawling Tristans (neut and AC variants) - Shield Kite Tristans (including max range variant) - Breaching Kestrels - Sniper Kestrels - Beam Slicers - Shield and armor logi frigates - Shield and armor Maulus / Griffin / Crucifier plus long range fit Vigil - Shield kite Kitsune / Keres / Hyena / Sentinel - AB Thalia / Deacon plus Shield MWD Kirin - Armor Brawl Algos / Dragoon - Sniper Cormorant - Attrition Catalyst - Breacher Corax - Kawkbag Thrasher - AC MWD Brawl Thrasher - MWD kite Talwar - Shield Harpy / Enyo / Jag / Ishkur - Shield Svipul - Armor Hecate / Confessor - Armor Vexor / Maller / Thorax, with Augoror / Exeq support - Armor VNI / Armor Ishtar with T2 logi support - Aug Navy Issue / Zealot / Sacrilige with Guardian / Oneiros support - Shield Gilas / Ishtar / Cerberus with Basi / Scimi support - Lach / Huginn / Rapier / Falcon / Rook - BLASTER MEGAS - Navy Megas - TFIs (artillery and AC fits) - Scorpion Navy Issue - Cruise Phoons - Beam / Pulse Abaddon - Neut Armageddon - Bhaalgorn - Rail / Blaster Proteus - Beam / Pulse Legion - Tackle Loki / Proteus
Then you've got our Carrier alts, Dread alts, and FAX alts. We've not needed to integrate Command Dessies as a doctrine boat yet, but those will be coming along soon enough. As it is, maintaining competency across such a huge skillset isn't easy, but we've been doing it for a while and it's paying dividends.
Just don't call it easy mode or imply our pilots aren't "good enough" just because we're not elitist to the point of booting folks who don't meet SP thresholds or run Slave sets.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
893
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Posted - 2016.05.13 13:41:12 -
[106] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote:The fact is... and this is what makes us "better" is choice.. we can choose who we fly with, kick those that don't fly the right fits and sadly, I speak with a great deal of expirence of FW and FCing FW fleets, FW has none of those choices. Nor do you have the control of the SP levels or fits of the fleets you can muster.
Oh, and another take on this (because it's a really core issue for this topic...):
You're right in that BEBOP can't control who joins militia, and we can't control who those militia corps allow into their ranks. But, we can control our standings towards those corps, and thus determine who within the militia we're willing to fly with and who we're not. In order to preserve our ability to stay in the militia, however, we have to preserve our standings. So it's not sufficient to just set a corp to -10... we actually have to spend the isk to wardec, to make sure we don't get booted from militia because one of our pilots felt trigger happy against a -10.
It is, at the core of it, a declaration by the mainline oldskool GalMil corps that we are not willing to fly with RDRAW while they remain blue to SNUFF. We can't force them out of militia, but we can declare them legitimate targets just like every other neutral corp in the warzone. The only mechanism we have in the current mechanics to truly make that statement, however, is to declare war.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
187
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Posted - 2016.05.13 13:48:57 -
[107] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:eddie valvetino wrote:The fact is... and this is what makes us "better" is choice.. we can choose who we fly with, kick those that don't fly the right fits and sadly, I speak with a great deal of expirence of FW and FCing FW fleets, FW has none of those choices. Nor do you have the control of the SP levels or fits of the fleets you can muster. Full props to SNUFF for the things you can pull off with your high end fleets - watching to dismantle Gewns when they tried not to suck at lowsec made me downright giddy with schadenfreude. And you're similarly correct in that having clear standards about fits, required implants, etc is part of what allows you to fly those high end fits and fleet comps. Finally, specializing in those kinds of fleet comps lets you get really, really good at them - and make no mistake, noone in GalMil thinks you're bad at what you do. Where I object is that you seem to think that unless a corp/alliance has such rigid standards, we're not "better" at what we do. I further object to the idea that simply because we're in FW we have no quality control or standards that folks need to work towards. Finally, I strenuously object to the notion that the only valid content is the high end stuff and that nothing else matters. The simple fact is that the mainline oldskool GalMil corps actually have very high standards for pilots to meet, and the nature of FW requires us to be competent at a very wide variety of fleet comps across the entire spectrum of ship sizes. Add in our efforts to push the high end of that range into T3s / Pirate or Faction BS / Capitals, and it becomes obvious that becoming proficient at every point in the "Derptrons to Dreadnaughts" continuum of conflict is no easy task at all. But - and here's the interesting thing - because we have such a massive range of doctrines, our pilots will generally end up naturally filling similar roles across those doctrine spectrums. We further require pretty much everyone to fly logi, and guilt them into training the relevant skills to 5, so we're always able to fill those roles as needed. Lower SP pilots actually tend to be shunted into DPS boats rather than EWAR recently, since we've been relying on shinier boats for tackle / web / paint support and haven't had many pilots who can't fly our mainline DPS doctrines. So, really, we're looking to get "better" by taking a group of pilots - from different corps and alliances, sure, but those have remained fairly stable entities over time - and pushing the higher end of our capabilities while retaining our ability to run lower end and solo / small gang comps as well as we ever have. That's a much different challenge from an individual and organizational perspective than just lopping off or excluding anyone who can't pursue the higher end of that scale in the same way. To give some perspective, our veteran pilots are able to competently fly the following doctrine boats at a moment's notice, and switch between them multiple times per hour if needed: - DERPTRONZ!!! - Armor Brawling Tristans (neut and AC variants) - Shield Kite Tristans (including max range variant) - Breaching Kestrels - Sniper Kestrels - Beam Slicers - Shield and armor logi frigates - Shield and armor Maulus / Griffin / Crucifier plus long range fit Vigil - Shield kite Kitsune / Keres / Hyena / Sentinel - AB Thalia / Deacon plus Shield MWD Kirin - Armor Brawl Algos / Dragoon - Sniper Cormorant - Attrition Catalyst - Breacher Corax - Kawkbag Thrasher - AC MWD Brawl Thrasher - MWD kite Talwar - Shield Harpy / Enyo / Jag / Ishkur - Shield Svipul - Armor Hecate / Confessor - Armor Vexor / Maller / Thorax, with Augoror / Exeq support - Armor VNI / Armor Ishtar with T2 logi support - Aug Navy Issue / Zealot / Sacrilige with Guardian / Oneiros support - Shield Gilas / Ishtar / Cerberus with Basi / Scimi support - Lach / Huginn / Rapier / Falcon / Rook - BLASTER MEGAS - Navy Megas - TFIs (artillery and AC fits) - Scorpion Navy Issue - Cruise Phoons - Beam / Pulse Abaddon - Neut Armageddon - Bhaalgorn - Rail / Blaster Proteus - Beam / Pulse Legion - Tackle Loki / Proteus Then you've got our Carrier alts, Dread alts, and FAX alts. We've not needed to integrate Command Dessies as a doctrine boat yet, but those will be coming along soon enough. As it is, maintaining competency across such a huge skillset isn't easy, but we've been doing it for a while and it's paying dividends. Just don't call it easy mode or imply our pilots aren't "good enough" just because we're not elitist to the point of booting folks who don't meet SP thresholds or run Slave sets.
For the record
Loved this post and your arguement is awesome
also for the record
I never used the term "eve on easy mode"
I will also concede that you guys do need to have a much wilder range of doctrines. It's fair to say, Snuff will pick fights that suit our style of play and that nearly all of us have alts for caps.
also also for the record.
I used quote marks on the word better due to it being wholly subjective |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
894
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Posted - 2016.05.13 14:32:43 -
[108] - Quote
eddie valvetino wrote: For the record
Loved this post and your arguement is awesome
also for the record
I never used the term "eve on easy mode"
I will also concede that you guys do need to have a much wilder range of doctrines. It's fair to say, Snuff will pick fights that suit our style of play and that nearly all of us have alts for caps.
also also for the record.
I used quote marks on the word better due to it being wholly subjective
Fair enough.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Dreaded Vengance
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
108
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Posted - 2016.05.13 14:35:26 -
[109] - Quote
It gets even more complex than that once you factor in corp level micro gangs and personal favorites outside alliance fleet comps, and each one has to work around FW plex restrictions.
CTRL-Q are recruiting - Gallente Faction Warfare, Small Gang, Low Sec PvP, New Player friendly. Want to know the truth about low sec?
Diary of a Low Sec Capsuleer
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2951
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Posted - 2016.05.13 15:14:59 -
[110] - Quote
GalMil Alt'Account wrote:Yes, late the hate flow. Feel it coursing through your body. Wow, Snuff pilot feels the need to post on alt account and trash talk. It's as if he thinks his super carrier is going to get awox'd as punishment for lame Star Wars reference.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2953
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Posted - 2016.05.13 17:10:10 -
[111] - Quote
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:It sounds like your situation may be avoidable if both sides wish to compromise. Is there any way we can schedule a group counseling session with you?
JUSTK is recruiting.
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James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
38
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Posted - 2016.05.13 17:21:46 -
[112] - Quote
The second 'civil war' was aslon trolling and the entire Minmatar militia being taken on a ruse cruise for a solid month before aslon got bored
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.13 17:36:37 -
[113] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:GalMil Alt'Account wrote:Yes, late the hate flow. Feel it coursing through your body. Wow, Snuff pilot feels the need to post on alt account and trash talk. It's as if he thinks his super carrier is going to get awox'd as punishment for lame Star Wars reference.
Actually that's my alt on the same account as this one, I don't know why it posted to that one. -_- |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2953
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Posted - 2016.05.13 17:49:16 -
[114] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:X Gallentius wrote:GalMil Alt'Account wrote:Yes, late the hate flow. Feel it coursing through your body. Wow, Snuff pilot feels the need to post on alt account and trash talk. It's as if he thinks his super carrier is going to get awox'd as punishment for lame Star Wars reference. Actually that's my alt on the same account as this one, I don't know why it posted to that one. -_- You should have put him in Frogs United to cause some real drama. :D
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
60
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Posted - 2016.05.13 18:06:30 -
[115] - Quote
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Having had experience of 2 militia civil wars as both a grunt and leadership. I have a little advice for the sake of your militia:
1) You could do with trying to agree mutual rules of engagement. For example I-HUB bashes in public fleets are a bad idea to prosecute the war in. Any neutral corps/pilots involved will get darn annoyed if they start having their fleet mates killed whilst they are trying to achieve a strategic objective for the militia. You then risk dragging more people into picking a side.
2) Try and keep talking to each other civilly, unless your goal is to force your opponent out of the militia you may have to 'kiss and make up' eventually. If RDRAW are forced out of the militia then they will either join Snuff outright or possibly join another militia and become bitter enemies. Likewise if 'the greybeards' get fed up and leave outright then a majority of Gal Mils higher skill pilots leave as well which can hamstring a militia for years to come.
That's all the advice I can give really without appearing to pick sides (which I am prohibited from doing by my current employers).
As to comments on the Mini Civil wars it's sounds like a different situation. The first civil war was in direct response to open aggression from Winmatar AWOXing militia Poses for their own gain and refusing to back down. They had to leave the militia because they were openly co-ordinating AWOXes. The 2nd Civil War was really civil war 1.1 a lot of noise and little fighting because the goal was to stop them recruiting and growing in strength again. Op success both times but the militia suffered long lasting wounds from the episode.
It sounds like your situation may be avoidable if both sides wish to compromise.
I think we have remained a lot more civil then people have expected and hope it stays that way. While we have our disagreements that have caused months of passive aggressive bitterness followed by open violence I for one hope to leave it at that.
I hope it doesn't escalate to ihub bash interference or attacking each other's anchored infrastructure. I'm sure a lot of third parties would love that but in the end I really hope we can just bloody each other's nose for a week or two then move on.
Might be anti climactic, might be overly dramatic, but it's not like we had a good working relationship to start with and at least now we had a chance to vent some of the pent up feels openly and can move on after.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.13 23:19:11 -
[116] - Quote
What are the war totals up to now? Has it broke a bill? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2953
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Posted - 2016.05.14 07:31:20 -
[117] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:What are the war totals up to now? Has it broke a bill? I believe the totals are 10 times larger than when Snuff dec'd Black Fox.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.14 18:23:26 -
[118] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Dread Operative wrote:What are the war totals up to now? Has it broke a bill? I believe the totals are 10 times larger than when Snuff dec'd Black Fox.
Drunken wardecs are the ****. My indy guys were pretty steamed at me. Still not answering the question though XG. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1860
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Posted - 2016.05.14 18:29:44 -
[119] - Quote
War Results |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.14 18:31:49 -
[120] - Quote
Like I said my indy guys were steamed. Lost like 2 or 3 DSTs in HS. looooooooooooooooooooool
I logged in and checked it out the war reports. Looking good. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2958
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Posted - 2016.05.14 20:16:27 -
[121] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Dread Operative wrote:What are the war totals up to now? Has it broke a bill? I believe the totals are 10 times larger than when Snuff dec'd Black Fox. Drunken wardecs are the ****. My indy guys were pretty steamed at me. Still not answering the question though XG. I think XG has been hanging out with the old guard a little too much since his return, trolling turned to max. You don't need to be old school to troll the forums. Well, maybe you need to be old school to troll the Eve forums.
BTW who runs high sec indy toons inside any (not to mention "elite") pvp alliance?
Edit: BTW, maybe an RDRAW dude can copy/paste Slack General chat where I predicted you pushed the war dec button for Snuff and that the real powers in Snuff didn't really care. Heck, maybe your alt can copy/paste it instead. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.15 01:59:59 -
[122] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Edit: BTW, maybe an RDRAW dude can copy/paste Slack General chat where I predicted you pushed the war dec button for Snuff and that the real powers in Snuff didn't really care. Heck, maybe your alt can copy/paste it instead.
I thought I was the real powers in Snuff? TIL otherwise I guess.
I was drunk talking to one of my guys in fanfest and he was like, "I was drinking with these galmil dudes and they are having a laugh over being told to purposely hunt down Rapid's link alts." and I thought to myself, "Self who would do that. Color me surprised it wouldn't be bitter AF BLFOX. I'm gonna wardec them! BHAHAHAHAAH." Wardecced. Sent mails. Found out it wasn't them. Told them the wardec would roll off. Next morning, "Bro why even bother wardeccing them? We are pirates." Lose haulers to HS wardec corp. RIP
TLDR, I'm not in their Slack General so idk what it said, that's my account of events though.
XG - You seem very (emotionally) invested into this war, or am I interpreting it wrong? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2958
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Posted - 2016.05.15 02:41:38 -
[123] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:XG - You seem very (emotionally) invested into this war, or am I interpreting it wrong? Nah just trolling you. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.15 03:49:45 -
[124] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Dread Operative wrote:XG - You seem very (emotionally) invested into this war, or am I interpreting it wrong? Nah just trolling you.
Hard to troll someone who just sees this as a game and genuinely just has fun regardless of the politics/lossmails/trolls/hate etc etc. I think the only thing that would genuinely upset me is if I lost my titan, luckily I keep it in my own tower that no one can offline the shields on! \o/
That being said, A+ effort, I for one appreciate a good troll. It is good to see that Eve-O is still the same.
Alright back to "easy mods eve". |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1861
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Posted - 2016.05.15 03:56:43 -
[125] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote: Alright back to dropping 30 supers and 10 titans on anything that looks like it might be a good fight otherwise "easy mods eve".
You are posting a lot for someone who doesnt care :) |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
447
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Posted - 2016.05.15 07:36:57 -
[126] - Quote
I am having a good entertaining conversation. This war was the only thing bringing me back to the forums, I usually prowl for more riveting content on reddit or fhc.
Please don't inflate our super numbers, with ifw leaving we can only drop 28 supers and 9 titans on anything that looks like it might be a good fight. Damn you big black wedding, Snuff is dead! No more content! #cryface |
Grimwood
Perimeter Defense Systems Plexodus
35
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Posted - 2016.05.15 22:17:12 -
[127] - Quote
Once again, I would like to remind everyone that Plexodus is recruiting Tyr has released a few of their AT iskies in order to upgrade us from wal-mart brand chow to mid shelf! Purina is in the bowl!
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1575
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Posted - 2016.05.16 06:12:50 -
[128] - Quote
Grimwood wrote:Once again, I would like to remind everyone that Plexodus is recruiting Tyr has released a few of their AT iskies in order to upgrade us from wal-mart brand chow to mid shelf! Purina is in the bowl!
Good news.
Next we will hear how your masters got you to stop shlting on the carpet and that you're almost like a grown up corp.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2959
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Posted - 2016.05.16 12:50:50 -
[129] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Dread Operative wrote:XG - You seem very (emotionally) invested into this war, or am I interpreting it wrong? Nah just trolling you. Hard to troll someone who just sees this as a game and genuinely just has fun regardless of the politics/lossmails/trolls/hate etc etc. I think the only thing that would genuinely upset me is if I lost my titan, luckily I keep it in my own tower that no one can offline the shields on! \o/ That being said, A+ effort, I for one appreciate a good troll. It is good to see that Eve-O is still the same. Alright back to "easy mods eve". Are you using the "You mad 'bro" troll twice in a row? You know they say that when you use "You mad bro?" it means that YOU are the one who is really mad. True story.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2959
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Posted - 2016.05.16 12:53:20 -
[130] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:I am having a good entertaining conversation. This war was the only thing bringing me back to the forums, I usually prowl for more riveting content on reddit or fhc.
I have to say that it's great this forum is actually being used for once. We must be too old.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
448
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Posted - 2016.05.16 13:57:38 -
[131] - Quote
I have no idea where you got the "you mad 'bro'?" even after I read it a couple times....
I just felt you were being quite vocal seeing it was only a few months ago you asked if it was okay if you flew with Rapid so you could fly with us and fight the Goons. So I was quite shocked when you seemed emotionally invested in this discussion, so I seeked clarification. None of that was a "you mad bro?" but asking if you were "super cereal" or just trolling. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2960
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Posted - 2016.05.16 17:00:31 -
[132] - Quote
There were potential goons kill: Militia > Pirates > 0.0 |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
168
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Posted - 2016.05.17 02:56:15 -
[133] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:There were potential goons to kill: Militia > Pirates > 0.0
^^ This entire event, much like the overview tweeks many had to make for this war, is an attempt to un**** RDRAW's priorities.
Working as a cohesive force is not possible with how often we've run into the problem with the conflict of interest that leads to action or non-action. We can't have any our logi/dps pilots suddenly back down or stand by to watch the confrontation when those pilots were factored in to our force projection estimates. I can't count on a single hand how many times FC's had to verify pirate/neutral identities before a standoff, because we had RDRAW members in fleet. How many times we would ship up and be confused as to what exactly to do with an RDRAW pilot during escalations. And I don't even play every day!
We can't really be "brothers" as RDRAW claims, if they are willing to stand by and watch a confrontation that could be very different for all concerned when there is no doubt about anyone's allegiances. The militia basically acts as an alliance fundamentally. You should acknowledge this simple fact and act accordingly.
As it is heard In our most hallowed and glorious songs in the militia: Un**** your overviews. http://imgur.com/LLL9ou4 |
Grimwood
Perimeter Defense Systems Plexodus
35
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Posted - 2016.05.17 15:31:40 -
[134] - Quote
Oreb Wing wrote: Why doesn't RDRAW play the way I want them too?!
Maybe you could like pay their subscriptions or something, then they would have to listen to you.
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
168
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Posted - 2016.05.17 20:42:21 -
[135] - Quote
They can do what they want. It has lead to this. We've had some very entertaining engagements.
These aren't justifications, but a reasonable argument to expectations in what one would find necessary to achieve unity and the removal of what would hinder our true potential.
When there's leadership that pretends to give less than two *****, eventually that impartiality is going to get stretched and tested. That is the nature of many people who love testing the dedication of superiors by their own ambitions. And we have already seen the first liberty taken. The second will surely follow when it is said among those with influence that those above don't care, thus need not be consulted.
Are these observations unsound? |
Grimwood
Perimeter Defense Systems Plexodus
35
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Posted - 2016.05.18 07:03:44 -
[136] - Quote
Oreb Wing wrote:They can do what they want. It has lead to this. We've had some very entertaining engagements.
These aren't justifications, but a reasonable argument to expectations in what one would find necessary to achieve unity and the removal of what would hinder our true potential.
When there's leadership that pretends to give less than two *****, eventually that impartiality is going to get stretched and tested. That is the nature of many people who love testing the dedication of superiors by their own ambitions. And we have already seen the first liberty taken. The second will surely follow when it is said among those with influence that those above don't care, thus need not be consulted.
Are these observations unsound?
Your momma is unsound |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
802
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Posted - 2016.05.18 11:24:09 -
[137] - Quote
Grimwood wrote:Oreb Wing wrote: Why doesn't RDRAW play the way I want them too?! Maybe you could like pay their subscriptions or something, then they would have to listen to you.
Can confirm. Will sell my sword to King Roy for PLEX and a suitable SRP allotment.
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
60
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Posted - 2016.05.18 12:30:10 -
[138] - Quote
I accept your offer and in return bestow upon ye the most comprehensive of srp programs. All your atrons and algos, your svipuls and caracals shall be replaced with a suitable replacement.
Anything larger will be replaced with a full 100% derptron policy. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1212
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Posted - 2016.05.18 13:30:50 -
[139] - Quote
Svipuls you say? Time to officer fit my svipuls for dank SRP!
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
60
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:25:49 -
[140] - Quote
Yang Aurilen wrote:Svipuls you say? Time to officer fit my svipuls for dank SRP!
Must have at least 3 purples to quality for the officer fit srp package. |
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Noir. Mercenary Coalition
355
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Posted - 2016.05.23 11:36:29 -
[141] - Quote
So...how goes the war? |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
618
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Posted - 2016.05.26 19:07:59 -
[142] - Quote
quietly
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard The Bloc
732
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Posted - 2016.05.29 18:47:25 -
[143] - Quote
Is this thread still a thing? I thought we would all just accept the Rapid Withdrawal was Snuffs pet and as such their opinions were irrelevant. |
Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
209
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Posted - 2016.06.05 02:12:03 -
[144] - Quote
Were Rapid an honourable 3rd party in Okkamon today? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1938
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Posted - 2016.06.05 03:17:48 -
[145] - Quote
Dont think RDRAW could make it. |
JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
30
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:18:34 -
[146] - Quote
Silverbackyererse wrote:Were Rapid an honourable 3rd party in Okkamon today?
haha i like how you underlined honourable ^^
let me see: - shoooting/ecm/microjump fellow milita guys while "third party" is on field check - shoooting/ecm/microjump fellow milita guys who arent in war with them check - bringing only ******* ships to the fight aka Command destroyers fitted like that: https://zkillboard.com/kill/54423622/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/54423640/ check - same whith theese punishers: https://zkillboard.com/kill/54424288/
- ah well yeah and helping to destroy a galmil staging citadel for okkamon check
did i miss sth.
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Holly Amatin
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.06 15:00:41 -
[147] - Quote
You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.
Bitter much? |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
896
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Posted - 2016.06.06 16:24:22 -
[148] - Quote
Holly Amatin wrote:You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.
Bitter much? Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners".
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1243
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Posted - 2016.06.07 06:46:03 -
[149] - Quote
So who's winning? Are you winning by killing off RDRAW's POCO/moons (if they have them) and denying their members any plexes or do you just fleet up and then kill any RDRAW you come across and then declare victory for the day.
I'm not following the war that much.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
10
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Posted - 2016.06.07 19:03:39 -
[150] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:Holly Amatin wrote:You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.
Bitter much? Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners".
So shooting at people who wardec you is "bad behavior"? Not sure what you want here. If you're red on my overview, you're gonna get shot. In this case, you chose to be red, and you can go back to being purple any time you want. Until then, I guess I will continue to behave badly. As for Jane's list of dishonorable actions... everything on that list has also been done by the other side... reminds me of a story about a pot and a kettle. It's war - either deal with it or drop the war. That ball is in your court.
How's the war going? Pretty much a snooze-fest that hasn't amounted to much other than continued sniping back and forth on the forums and minor skirmishes in game. It looks like it's going to keep going... I guess we will see if it escalates or continues to just be targets of opportunity and small engagements. There are good capable pilots and FCs on both sides, so it certainly could turn into a much bigger deal than it has been. Those decisions are way above my paygrade, but personally I think there are plenty of other people to shoot so I'm content with the minor nature of the civil war.
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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
32
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:07:16 -
[151] - Quote
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Holly Amatin wrote:You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.
Bitter much? Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners". So shooting at people who wardec you is "bad behavior"? Not sure what you want here. If you're red on my overview, you're gonna get shot. In this case, you chose to be red, and you can go back to being purple any time you want. Until then, I guess I will continue to behave badly. As for Jane's list of dishonorable actions... everything on that list has also been done by the other side... reminds me of a story about a pot and a kettle. It's war - either deal with it or drop the war. That ball is in your court. How's the war going? Pretty much a snooze-fest that hasn't amounted to much other than continued sniping back and forth on the forums and minor skirmishes in game. It looks like it's going to keep going... I guess we will see if it escalates or continues to just be targets of opportunity and small engagements. There are good capable pilots and FCs on both sides, so it certainly could turn into a much bigger deal than it has been. Those decisions are way above my paygrade, but personally I think there are plenty of other people to shoot so I'm content with the minor nature of the civil war.
Not true i dont remember shooting GalMil corps we are not at war with while helping kill a staging pos
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Paxx Mandragoran
Rapid Withdrawal
10
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Posted - 2016.06.08 19:59:12 -
[152] - Quote
ivona fly wrote:
Not true. I dont remember shooting GalMil corps we are not at war with/ helping to kill a galmil staging pos that squids are shooting.
Killing the pos is covered in the first part of my post. It is completely unreasonable for you to wardec us and then expect us to not shoot your stuff :) Yes, shooting your staging pos hurts the overall FW war effort. But here's a news flash skippy... so does wardeccing allied militia corps :)
As for shooting GalMil people you're not at war with... yes, your side has done it. Just because you "don't remember" it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. To be honest, I think both sides have made significant efforts to limit any damage to non war participants. I know that we have purposely ignored galmil roams that we would have engaged because they had non involved pilots included, and we have also limited several of our own fleets to rdraw only (before some others joined in on our side) to avoid having our friends put in that awkward position should we get jumped by your side.
Overall, I think that the instances of non parties getting caught up in the war has been surprisingly low. Of course, none of that matters here on the forums where it's evidently cool to come and cry about how "dishonorable" your opponent is when they exhibit "bad behavior" by fighting a war that they didn't start. Personally, I think the whole thing is pretty silly... both the war in game and the one on the forums and reddit. But hey, you shoot at me in game, and I'm gonna shoot back. You talk some sillyness on the forums, and I'll call it out. It's all good fun.
And in the meantime, this war will either keep smoldering in skirmishville, in which case we'll shoot at each other from time to time and talk some smack back and forth on the forums.... escalate so that we actually do some damage to each other and drive the political wedge even further between us.... or come to an end at which point we can start flying together against common enemies again. Which one happens is way out of my control, so I'll just continue to shoot whatever's red on the overview and let the politicos worry about the rest of it. I like and respect a lot of people on the other side of this thing - and the fact that we're currently shooting at each other doesn't change that. I'm gonna have fun either flying with or against them.
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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
32
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Posted - 2016.06.11 12:54:23 -
[153] - Quote
We never attacked galmil corps that were not at war with, can you give me an example of how we have done, because I know of two occasions now rdraw have turned thier guns on friendly miltia corps in support of snuff within the last few weeks.
I think it's easy to forget that rdraw have been war dec'd by dozens of miltia corps, not just 1. You are doing very little to remove your snuff pet reputation of putting snuffbux before miltia ties, and essentially proving your detractors correct. |
Tenga Fera
Rapid Withdrawal
4
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Posted - 2016.06.12 19:08:21 -
[154] - Quote
This thread is mostly pointless and it seems to mainly involve GalMil pilots trying to convince people that they're taking the 'high road' and Caldari (and ex-Caldari) pilots trying to stir ****. RDRAW has no desire to fight Galmil entities and we'd prefer if peace were made.
We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.
The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.
We're all here to have fun and blow up internet space ships but I'm afraid some people's pride is getting in the way of this. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
442
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:49:35 -
[155] - Quote
Tenga Fera wrote: We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.
The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.
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Hi End Content lol ecm bursting stabbed magus .... skillz brah
But your ceo told everyone you would be a feeder corp and saying more snuff joined rdraw makes us trust you more how?? like there not going to give intel to thier old corpys
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Super Chair
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
718
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:03:03 -
[156] - Quote
*Popcorn* |
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
32
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Posted - 2016.06.14 01:21:01 -
[157] - Quote
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Tenga Fera wrote: We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.
The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.
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Hi End Content lol ecm bursting stabbed magus .... skillz brah But your ceo told everyone you would be a feeder corp and saying more snuff joined rdraw makes us trust you more how?? like there not going to give intel to thier old corpys
To be fair I also saw them in ecm burst punishers, it looked pretty high end |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1940
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Posted - 2016.06.14 01:52:46 -
[158] - Quote
Just want to say, you ally with SNUFD for easy mode content for the most part. You fight SNUFD for higher end content. Just saying.
As for RDRAW being a feeder corp, i believe that was the exact language used in the internal RDRAW mail that announced the subjugation of RDRAW to SNUFD. |
Andre Vauban
Aideron Robotics
447
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Posted - 2016.06.14 12:32:38 -
[159] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:*Popcorn*
SUPER CHAIR! I would say let's play LOL, but sadly we don't even seem to do that anymore.
MEOW!
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
168
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Posted - 2016.06.15 15:59:58 -
[160] - Quote
It confuses me to hear a person justify attacking a war asset, admit that it is ultimately a general militia asset, complain that it didn't have to happen of the war wasn't going, and declare that we should drop the petty war dec to return to fighting our common enemy.
What part of snuff being, has been, and will be a common enemy don't you fellas understand? Also, I do remember losing a Guardian as a neutral party in this war after getting blapped by nightmares while I was out of cap. I wonder why that is. Though I'm sure you think it has nothing to do with your meddling. If you had attacked and made the Citadel vulnerable yourselves it would be different, but you join in like vultures to the carcasses of 'allies' that should get over themselves.
Wow, man. You really see things clearly! |
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.17 07:29:47 -
[161] - Quote
Lets remember gents, bias is a two way street. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
169
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Posted - 2016.06.17 15:48:10 -
[162] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Lets remember gents, bias is a two way street.
And seeing everything as shades of grey means it doesn't matter what direction you go on any street.
RDRAW's hesitation to assist galmil operations in WZ related hostilities at the beginning of this conflict of interest flies in the face in their willingness--dare I say even smug--participation in aggression against militia pilots.
If we dissect the particular details of each case, the counter arguments of about apples and oranges begins to fall apart.
The kind of aggression one is willing to take part in or refuse tells the story better than I could, and says much more. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.17 19:38:01 -
[163] - Quote
Oreb Wing wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Lets remember gents, bias is a two way street. And seeing everything as shades of grey means it doesn't matter what direction you go on any street. RDRAW's hesitation to assist galmil operations in WZ related hostilities at the beginning of this conflict of interest flies in the face to their willingness--dare I say even smug--participation in aggression against militia pilots. If we dissect the particular details of each case, the counter arguments of apples and oranges begins to fall apart. The kind of aggression one is willing to take part in or refuse tells the story better than I could, and says much more.
So your opinion states. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
169
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Posted - 2016.06.18 01:26:38 -
[164] - Quote
If there's truth in it, it's a fact, is how I see opinions.
I believe history is on my side, and that we are not exactly debating a difference in taste, but a conviction of choices clearly taken. Betrayal and compromise are not ice cream flavors or a favorite color. Last time I checked. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 02:14:21 -
[165] - Quote
The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
169
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Posted - 2016.06.18 05:10:45 -
[166] - Quote
I don't need a philosopher or a politician to interpret where a man stands during a fight. He's either with me or against me. If he's not capable of fighting, let him stand back out of the way of those who will. If he is capable, but unwilling, who can ever call such a one brother? Of all his deeds, he will be remembered for the worst.
The rest of my brothers fight with me, whether the odds are in our favor or not. Together we eat and bleed and laugh. There is no question who they would fight with when the fire sweeps through and the war horn blows.
That is my opinion. I feel entitled only to what my words and actions bring me. May false friends be far from me. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 06:06:07 -
[167] - Quote
Oreb Wing wrote:I don't need a philosopher or a politician to interpret where a man stands during a fight. He's either with me or against me. If he's not capable of fighting, let him stand back out of the way of those who will. If he is capable, but unwilling, who can ever call such a one brother? Of all his deeds, he will be remembered for the worst.
The rest of my brothers fight with me, whether the odds are in our favor or not. Together we eat and bleed and laugh. There is no question who they would fight with when the fire sweeps through and the war horn blows.
That is my opinion. I feel entitled only to what my words and actions bring me. May false friends be far from me.
So your opinion states. |
Dr darkside
Wolfsdragoon Batfone Appreciation Society
4
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Posted - 2016.06.18 07:22:54 -
[168] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote: with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact).
In aivonen they booshed wolfs off the fight irc and he helped set up the bait to catch tishu |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4454
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Posted - 2016.06.18 10:05:10 -
[169] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Oreb Wing wrote:I don't need a philosopher or a politician to interpret where a man stands during a fight. He's either with me or against me. If he's not capable of fighting, let him stand back out of the way of those who will. If he is capable, but unwilling, who can ever call such a one brother? Of all his deeds, he will be remembered for the worst.
The rest of my brothers fight with me, whether the odds are in our favor or not. Together we eat and bleed and laugh. There is no question who they would fight with when the fire sweeps through and the war horn blows.
That is my opinion. I feel entitled only to what my words and actions bring me. May false friends be far from me. So your opinion states. Would you be ok with RDRAW being perma-blue to Shadow Cartel?
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
620
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Posted - 2016.06.18 12:58:57 -
[170] - Quote
Dread, you are completely ignoring that gal mil didn't shoot RDRAW in aivonen until they MJD'd off our FC (fact).
Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 16:18:05 -
[171] - Quote
Thanatos Marathon wrote:Dread, you are completely ignoring that gal mil didn't shoot RDRAW in Aivonen until they MJD'd off our FC (fact). Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Please don't pretend I don't have the chat logs of you guys talking about it. Asking if we arranged blue with Rapid, and giggling because we didn't specify them. (PS that was our links you killed) |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.18 16:29:32 -
[172] - Quote
Basically I am saying, is he who is without sin cast the first stone. We are all sinful, get over it already. |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
60
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Posted - 2016.06.18 22:35:44 -
[173] - Quote
As I or anyone else who was there for that fight in Aivonen could tell you of course there was a lot of chatter about shootin rdraw but the fc ordered us not to and we did not. Until they boosted us, then it was open season. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2967
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Posted - 2016.06.19 16:19:57 -
[174] - Quote
Wow Dread. You and PERUNGA seem to have more at stake in this war than anybody else.
This war has allowed us to still have something to shoot at while Minmatar take over the war zone. Pretty decent solution to an otherwise utterly boring phase of FW. Pretty sure RDRAW isn't terribly worried either.
OTOH, RDRAW you've seen us get "high end" content by temp-bluing Snuff a couple times now even though they are our "mortal enemies". It can be done, and it's easy. |
Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
344
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Posted - 2016.06.20 04:48:41 -
[175] - Quote
Glad I have left that area, which seems to be the new "Great Salt Lake".
Wow...
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
40
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Posted - 2016.06.21 06:55:39 -
[176] - Quote
having temp blue with Snuff i feel dirty now, all fault of Wolfs..... at least i shoot some suckers from waffles, so not so dirty anymore
(in earnest, in recent times every bigger fight in Black Rise seems to be a giant clusterfuck of everyone, thats a bit sad, no?) |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
40
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Posted - 2016.06.21 06:56:51 -
[177] - Quote
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:having temp blue with Snuff i feel dirty now, all fault of Wolfs..... at least i shoot some suckers from waffles, so not so dirty anymore (in earnest, in recent times every bigger fight in Black Rise seems to be a giant clusterfuck of everyone, thats a bit sad, no? Nobody wants to be the REAL KING of Lowsex anymore? C'mon you can do better) |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
321
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Posted - 2016.06.21 09:39:01 -
[178] - Quote
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:having temp blue with Snuff i feel dirty now, all fault of Wolfs..... at least i shoot some suckers from waffles, so not so dirty anymore (in earnest, in recent times every bigger fight in Black Rise seems to be a giant clusterfuck of everyone, thats a bit sad, no? Nobody wants to be the REAL KING of Lowsex anymore? C'mon you can do better)
That would be scary and mean not blue'ing everyone and their mother. It also means not having to batphone everyone else you haven't permablue'ed. But that also means you might lose ships from time to time and that's just a big no-no in today's EvE
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ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
34
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Posted - 2016.06.21 15:09:17 -
[179] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Not fact
I have been a part of booster hunts that got stood down because it was a known rdraw booster with blue standing. This was before the war, we have accidentally killed blue ones that are not rdraw it can happen in busy systems, boosters die in seconds. |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
61
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Posted - 2016.06.21 15:57:22 -
[180] - Quote
ivona fly wrote:Dread Operative wrote:The thing is you legit can't PROVE anything, it's all opinions based on hearsay and emotional interpretations of what happened. You can believe anything you want but, it doesn't mean it's right. Entities in GalMil were specifically hunting down known Rapid link alts (fact), You guys declared war on them (fact), with supers, BS's, and capitals on the field you guys made sure to shoot Rapid first in Aivonon even though they weren't aggressing BLFOX/JUSTK (fact). Who did what first, and who wronged who first, is all personal interpretation of history and where they hear that history from can be very biased. So again, because nothing is proved, it's all personal biased opinion, told from the biased views of the person telling the tale. On both ends.
But thank you for your opinion, you are entitled to it. Not fact I have been a part of booster hunts that got stood down because it was a known rdraw booster with blue standing. This was before the war, we have accidentally killed blue ones that are not rdraw it can happen in busy systems, boosters die in seconds.
Pre war we never hunted known RDRAW link Alts. Fact. We only shot rdraw after they boosted which the pilot who boosted us admitted to aiming at us later. Fact.
Saying fact after a statement doesn't mean it supersedes actual fact because you say it's fact. Fact. |
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
621
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Posted - 2016.06.22 20:17:30 -
[181] - Quote
Didn't know they were your links, thought they were tishu links since I probed down another snuff booster and even decloaked on him before I warped off after I got confirm that we were temp blue for that fight (I logged in after it started). *sigh*
Dread Operative wrote:
Please don't pretend I don't have the chat logs of you guys talking about it. Asking if we arranged blue with Rapid, and giggling because we didn't specify them. (PS that was our links you killed)
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
170
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Posted - 2016.06.23 14:47:59 -
[182] - Quote
This is all balls. We could have taken full warzone control without too much effort for a 3rd time before Minmil if we had never experienced this divide. It wouldn't be a bad thing to add some pressure even now so that CCP might install some automated medal system that is based off of iHub bash statistics within a certain period of time or minimum % of damage done. Something. But oh well, a civil war is what we got instead. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
621
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Posted - 2016.06.23 17:42:44 -
[183] - Quote
stillwantamedal
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
128
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Posted - 2016.06.23 21:28:01 -
[184] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:
Please don't pretend I don't have the chat logs of you guys talking about it. Asking if we arranged blue with Rapid, and giggling because we didn't specify them. (PS that was our links you killed)
I sure would like to see these logs Dread. We were only to shoot TISHU until Wolf's got booshed. Then it was a free fire on RDRAW as we didnt want anyone mjded away. I was even talking to said boosher and he even admitted it afterwards, which I actually do have logs for. You master spying skills must be wavering in your old age.
Thanatos Marathon wrote:stillwantamedal
+1 for my damn medal.
Justified Chaos is recruiting.
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Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
170
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Posted - 2016.06.23 22:06:24 -
[185] - Quote
They will break soon; you can't deny the Minnies their medal. They will mutiny. #rustyshanks
Warzone control is endgame for FW. The medal is the loot drop.
Perhaps it deserves its own thread, but iHub's destroyed in within the last 6 months and 2-3% dps minimum on any one of these as eligibility for medal is simple and straightforward. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
443
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Posted - 2016.06.24 07:27:51 -
[186] - Quote
Oreb Wing wrote:This is all balls. We could have taken full warzone control without too much effort for a 3rd time before Minmil if we had never experienced this divide. It wouldn't be a bad thing to add some pressure even now so that CCP might install some automated medal system that is based off of iHub bash statistics within a certain period of time or minimum % of damage done. Something. But oh well, a civil war is what we got instead.
Why would you want to take the warzone again squids havnt recovered from the past 2 times it just wouldnt make any sense at all
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
61
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Posted - 2016.06.24 15:55:01 -
[187] - Quote
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Oreb Wing wrote:This is all balls. We could have taken full warzone control without too much effort for a 3rd time before Minmil if we had never experienced this divide. It wouldn't be a bad thing to add some pressure even now so that CCP might install some automated medal system that is based off of iHub bash statistics within a certain period of time or minimum % of damage done. Something. But oh well, a civil war is what we got instead. Why would you want to take the warzone again squids havnt recovered from the past 2 times it just wouldnt make any sense at all
Squids will never recover. Spent a year or two waiting and no change. Burn it all. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
443
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Posted - 2016.06.25 06:20:45 -
[188] - Quote
Roy Henry wrote:
Squids will never recover. Spent a year or two waiting and no change. Burn it all.
Then it would be like punching a baby in the face imo
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Miss Lucky Galore
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.25 06:22:22 -
[189] - Quote
As a member of the anti Rdraw side of the militia I just want to say this war is tiresome. Most Rdraw pilots are good, mature people as are their Schnekt allies. More and more I have found myself refusing to fight them because boht parties would rather combine to kill neuts or Caldari. And once you have teamed up, its difficult to go and kill the same guy the next day. At the bottom of the food chain where I exsist nearly all comments in local are against the war. I get that both sides have valid issues/greviances to sort out but at the end of the day I think it is incumbent on the leaderships (a tad more so my own) to come to an agreement and stop the war. Oh and what made me finally write this was that my side teamed up temporarily with Snuff to shoot down an Evoke tower last week. It just seemed to make a mockery of the the causus belli. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
443
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Posted - 2016.06.25 06:26:27 -
[190] - Quote
Miss Lucky Galore wrote: Most Rdraw pilots are good,
You sir owe me a new monitor and coffee
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Miss Lucky Galore
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.25 06:29:35 -
[191] - Quote
..mature people. friendly, nice and all that. |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
62
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Posted - 2016.06.25 15:39:00 -
[192] - Quote
A lot of un named neutral Alts have come forth saying they are against the rdraw war. Very few people who want to step forth against it have spoken up, so the war continues.
If you are opposed to fighting please post on your main so people will actually take stock in what you say. |
Oreb Wing
Moira. Villore Accords
170
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Posted - 2016.06.25 16:02:00 -
[193] - Quote
A lot of folks pointing out that the temp blue with non-militia as an inconsistent and hypocritical action on our part, but you're still shaking the can and fail to see the differences if you let the details settle and be honest about it. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' kind of temp blueing has been around for a long while.
The RDRAW situation is comparable to eating you ***damn hand when your starved for content. That is the problem. And it is a problem. You dudes are still in the self -denial stage. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1941
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Posted - 2016.06.25 16:09:40 -
[194] - Quote
I am opposed to the war but i have no good justification to build a case for ending it. RDRAW is hard to work with at the best of time, but knowing that its likely that they will tip off their overlords when there is the prospect of juicy kills makes cooperation with them untenable. |
Miss Lucky Galore
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.26 10:35:51 -
[195] - Quote
Roy Henry wrote:A lot of un named neutral Alts have come forth saying they are against the rdraw war. Very few people who want to step forth against it have spoken up, so the war continues.
If you are opposed to fighting please post on your main so people will actually take stock in what you say.
Take stock or don't. I do not want to cause issues with people I like and respect in my corp or elsewhere and so prefer to post anonymously.
Oreb Wing wrote:A lot of folks pointing out that the temp blue with non-militia as an inconsistent and hypocritical action on our part, but you're still shaking the can and fail to see the differences if you let the details settle and be honest about it. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' kind of temp blueing has been around for a long while.
The RDRAW situation is equivalent to eating your ***damn hand when you're starved for content. That is the problem. And it is a problem. You dudes are still in the self -denial stage.
fair point |
Wolfsdragoon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
65
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Posted - 2016.06.26 19:40:29 -
[196] - Quote
Temp blue isn't the same as being a feeder corp, pretty easy distinction. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1941
|
Posted - 2016.06.26 20:47:56 -
[197] - Quote
Also, we did not engineer a blue with snufd. We just ended up under the same banner, an event that was engineered by a third party that has often helped us fight snufd. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
456
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Posted - 2016.06.28 15:12:52 -
[198] - Quote
BBC and RDRAW will be resetting each other at 0000 server times. So I guess you guys can be happy now. |
Searly1981 Searle
Rapid Withdrawal Pen Is Out
0
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Posted - 2016.06.28 15:30:38 -
[199] - Quote
The best part of this post is the fact that rdraw played almost no part in the whole 10 pages of it, you were pretty much just talking to yourselves dont you have slack for that?
Also cant believe i just read all that.... |
Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
62
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Posted - 2016.06.28 17:23:01 -
[200] - Quote
Searly1981 Searle wrote:The best part of this post is the fact that rdraw played almost no part in the whole 10 pages of it, you were pretty much just talking to yourselves dont you have slack for that?
Also cant believe i just read all that....
You must be new to the eve o forums. let me be your guide. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2967
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Posted - 2016.06.28 17:26:48 -
[201] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:At the request of RDRAW leadership and their new alliance, BBC and RDRAW will be resetting each other at 0000 server times. So I guess you guys can be happy now. I'm happy. +1 Fellas.
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Duke Heuer
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Spaceship Bebop
1
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Posted - 2016.06.28 17:37:00 -
[202] - Quote
So Snuff fired RDRAW? Damn that sucks. |
Drigo Segvian
Black Fox Marauders
18
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Posted - 2016.06.28 17:38:28 -
[203] - Quote
Duke Heuer wrote:So Snuff fired RDRAW? Damn that sucks.
It appears RDRAW fired snuff. |
Romandra
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
23
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Posted - 2016.06.28 18:06:36 -
[204] - Quote
Drigo Segvian wrote:Duke Heuer wrote:So Snuff fired RDRAW? Damn that sucks. It appears RDRAW fired snuff.
TBH, there was a lot of internal drama in snuff over our relationship with them after Nagamanen, because all RDRAW really did was whore on our supercapital lossmails.
That's simply NOT the way you treat blues, guys! #NotinMyName
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2967
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Posted - 2016.06.28 19:54:39 -
[205] - Quote
Romandra wrote:"She wasn't that attractive anyways." Fixed.
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Duke Heuer
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Spaceship Bebop
1
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Posted - 2016.06.28 20:24:50 -
[206] - Quote
LOL. Don't worry I whored on those supers too RTARD. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
443
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Posted - 2016.06.28 22:46:01 -
[207] - Quote
This isnt dread taking us on a ruze cruise?
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
137
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Posted - 2016.06.28 22:55:04 -
[208] - Quote
Quote:That's simply NOT the way you treat blues, guys!
Much better to be the cause of the loss mails, right? |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Snuffed Out
1578
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Posted - 2016.06.29 00:23:43 -
[209] - Quote
I don't even know who to troll anymore.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
129
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Posted - 2016.06.29 00:42:48 -
[210] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:I don't even know who to troll anymore.
hmmmmm
Justified Chaos is recruiting.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
457
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Posted - 2016.06.29 02:00:46 -
[211] - Quote
https://imgur.com/V8uoFlM
Sorry for the delay. RDRAW you are reset as requested. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
461
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Posted - 2016.06.29 02:57:58 -
[212] - Quote
Spaceship Bebop as discussed with our completion of RDRAW's contract, the contract will go to you now.
Perm +5 Status Undisclosed monthly SRP budget Access to POS/POCO's But not a feeder corp, you will maintain your individuality.
https://imgur.com/BDnpswd |
SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
129
|
Posted - 2016.06.29 03:36:55 -
[213] - Quote
Behold your new overloads plebeians
Justified Chaos is recruiting.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2967
|
Posted - 2016.06.29 05:09:22 -
[214] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:I don't even know who to troll anymore. You can still troll Snuff. You have my permission.
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Theroine
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
131
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Posted - 2016.06.29 05:29:14 -
[215] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:I don't even know who to troll anymore. :)
Join in on the pew
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
443
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Posted - 2016.06.29 06:40:28 -
[216] - Quote
All loss mails for srp to Donnie?
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
369
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Posted - 2016.06.29 10:12:35 -
[217] - Quote
Peace at last? |
Alyssa Severasse
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
20
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:09:35 -
[218] - Quote
Dread Operative wrote:Spaceship Bebop as discussed with our completion of RDRAW's contract, the contract will go to you now. Perm +5 Status Undisclosed monthly SRP budget Access to POS/POCO's But not a feeder corp, you will maintain your individuality. https://imgur.com/BDnpswd
Confirmed. Look forward to working with Bebop again and burying the hatchet. Not sure who we are burying it in yet tho'... |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2968
|
Posted - 2016.06.29 15:55:14 -
[219] - Quote
Alyssa Severasse wrote: Confirmed. Look forward to working with Bebop again and burying the hatchet. Not sure who we are burying it in yet tho'...
Can I keep the loot if I join your Nourv Gate Camp, or does it all still go to PERUNGA? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1965
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Posted - 2016.06.29 19:50:06 -
[220] - Quote
My wardec is filed vs. BEBOP. |
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
143
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Posted - 2016.06.29 22:04:31 -
[221] - Quote
Alyssa Severasse wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Spaceship Bebop as discussed with our completion of RDRAW's contract, the contract will go to you now. Perm +5 Status Undisclosed monthly SRP budget Access to POS/POCO's But not a feeder corp, you will maintain your individuality. https://imgur.com/BDnpswd Confirmed. Look forward to working with Bebop again and burying the hatchet. Not sure who we are burying it in yet tho'...
RDRAW probably. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2968
|
Posted - 2016.06.29 22:31:22 -
[222] - Quote
May Arethusa wrote:Alyssa Severasse wrote: Confirmed. Look forward to working with Bebop again and burying the hatchet. Not sure who we are burying it in yet tho'...
RDRAW probably. Nah sorry we just dropped the dec. Snuff is on their own. Militia > Pirates and all that stuff. |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
40
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Posted - 2016.07.02 16:28:16 -
[223] - Quote
**** Snuff
love RDRAW |
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