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DrLogan
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:20:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Cazziel
How should you fight something that is cloaked 99% of time, has ridiculous cap recharge time, can't be scrambled, does ~45-60k raw damage and has sh*tloads of hit points?
When it logs. (duh)
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Ezra
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 23/02/2007 20:21:22
I'd rather see a counter implimented by each faction in response too the threat than a flat nerf to the DD itself.
Maybee another module similar to the cyno field generator that cancels out other cyno fields nearby (not system wide) that way atleast you can make it so the titan needs to be at the location.
Interesting, I had recently thought of something similar for territorial control, a POS module that had the following effect:
Jump range of all ships incoming to a cyno in the same systems is reduced by half. Only one may be active in a system at a given time (and/or multiple may be active but the effect does not stack)
The same module could restrict maximum in-system DD range.
It'll never happen though.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
its anti blob which = good
From my short experience (a little of Jv1v or w/e it was called) it does nothing to deter blobs, since there is no other way to kill one in direct combat, and the DD can be easily avoided (unless your lagged to death, which to be fair, is most of the time). The problem does not come from individual DDs or titans, but several, all at once, especially when they're sat on a gate with lot's of large bubbles.
It does nothing to stop blobbing, because if you go with less than a blob, it's support blob will kill you.
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Saan Sotall
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Saan Sotall on 23/02/2007 22:24:19
with level IV in the DDD skill, it does 65,625 dmg of one type. if you have 90% in that resist, it does 6,562.5 damage. yes, with the right setup, even BCs can tank that damage.
is it still devastating? totally.
does it discourage blobs? yep.
it costs quite a bit of fuel, has to be targeted at a cyno field, and can only be fired once an hour.
also, i see many people in this thread stating that going against a titan+support blob is nearly impossible to win. seeing as a titan can cost as much as a support blob or close to it, i dont see why people are complaining. isk is the bottom line, and if the other side brings more to a fight, they have an advantage.
also, it takes 15 seconds to fire. 15 seconds to get out after you see the cyno. if you are bubbled, it doesnt matter, but thats something people forget.
and seeing as you could have many many many many capital ships for the price of one titan, it dang well better do something extraordinary.
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Spei Prodetor
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elain Reverse
Originally by: Cho Hkan
Originally by: Saan Sotall
any mechanics to discourage the 200+ fleet battles is a good mechanic.
and regardless if you like the larger battles better, CCP has stated that its intentions are to discourage the 150 man blob.
also, the cost on a Titan is prohibitively expensive, to say the least.
Thats the problem isnt it. The people with the Titan also have a 200+ man fleet waiting to clean up whatever survived.
DD's were the single most stupid idea to ever make it into eve.
I am not sure, never been in fight with titan, but:
a) if hardeners work corectly and i had 90% resist with 16k shields and 4k armor and supose DDD do 50k raw dmg, its mean my shields will go down to 11k ?
b) oposite side also can use titans if have one
c) its prety hard to build titan and there is already half ever build titans down, if i am not bad with their numbers.
Theres 10+ titans ingame 10 that i know of and probably more.
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zevex
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Spei Prodetor
Theres 10+ titans ingame 10 that i know of and probably more.
I have only read of about 5 of them. 3 are activly DD'ing folks and 2 have been destroyed. Are the others simply in hiding?
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Nordvargr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:16:00 -
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Reducing the doomsdays damage to be impotent against battleships wouldn't be fair to the people that spent so many hours helping build the titan. That titan represents a lot of time invested by people, and CCP ought to be careful in nerfing them.
I think the biggest issue is the one hour timer. This is a doomsday weapon capable of annihilating entire fleets instantly, used only by the most expensive super-capitals in EVE. Should such a weapon really be able to be fired routinely every hour? Reduce the delay on the weapon to at least a day, when a doomsday is used it should be a big event not your hourly doomsday activation.
Players should feel the desire to use the weapon decisively, not warp a lone t1 frig with a cyno fitted into a hostile fleet, cross their fingers, and see how many they can kill. If the cooldown was much longer players might actually feel the need to pull feints so the enemy fleet doesn't suspect a doomsday and they are able to use their one shot of the day as effectively as possible. Even without requiring titans to warp in to activate the doomsay, the longer cooldown would encourage players to possibly warp in a number of T1 suicide frigates, or fit out a small fleet to tank the doomsday and warp everyone in and catch them by surprise.
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William Hamilton
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:20:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Nordvargr
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I think the biggest issue is the one hour timer. This is a doomsday weapon capable of annihilating entire fleets instantly, used only by the most expensive super-capitals in EVE. Should such a weapon really be able to be fired routinely every hour? Reduce the delay on the weapon to at least a day, when a doomsday is used it should be a big event not your hourly doomsday activation.
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I fully agree on this. The best way to balance would be by decreasing it's frequency of use, not it's power.
Perhaps in addition ot a longer firing time (a day seems good) it could consume more resources?
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mama guru
Gallente
Friendship 7 Corporation
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:36:00 -
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The concept of a doomsday device is an intresting idea indeed, but its only a matter of time before it takes a bunch of titans without support aswell as a few dreads to conquer a system.
to make other ships useful again ccp will have to either
A) Nerf DD
B) add ways to counter it somehow
C) remove them entirely and buff titans in other ways, maybe like giving them a T2 siege module without tracking/explosion velocity penalties
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Saan Sotall
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
I fully agree on this. The best way to balance would be by decreasing it's frequency of use, not it's power.
Perhaps in addition ot a longer firing time (a day seems good) it could consume more resources?
i do like this idea, but there is one thing i think that it actually unbalances about the weapon.
having more than one titan will pay off all the more. the top top corps will benefit from this, as the people they are fighting will usually only have a single titan to bear.
i guess my point is the hour long cooldown helps the 1-titan underdog more than the 10 titan supercorp, and making it longer would simply put those that are ahead in the arms race further ahead.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome
DD is anti blob device and its working good..
if u dont wanna loose whole fleet in that 30secs of lag, dont blob..play tactics..
bigger problem is blobing..u cannot get any decent fights anymore if u are not outnumbered..there are no 1:1 or even 2:1 in 0.0..nor x:x, just x+100:x..
Titans encourage blobbing, since only a Blob can kill it in between cycles.
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Leonardo Sabrioski
Caldari
Veritas Praetorian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.24 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cazziel
Titans are f*cked up atm. You can't effectively fight when there is a titan in local as the DD will kill almost any battleship around (except the judgement in some cases). Jump portal is awesome itself but remotely activated doomsday device is just pure madness. How should you fight something that is cloaked 99% of time, has ridiculous cap recharge time, can't be scrambled, does ~45-60k raw damage and has sh*tloads of hit points?
Easy lol! Send a virus to the titan pilot and bam... Another Cyyok 
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Kristin Sabrioski - Matris
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G Dabak
Magellanic Itg
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.24 02:19:00 -
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Limiting the DD timer or other such things works fine for 1 titan, but what about 3, or 5? I think CCP designed them with only 1 per side in mind, which is going to be a problem when alliances or coalitions can field many at once.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:30:00 -
[44]
Originally by: William Hamilton
Originally by: Nordvargr
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I think the biggest issue is the one hour timer. This is a doomsday weapon capable of annihilating entire fleets instantly, used only by the most expensive super-capitals in EVE. Should such a weapon really be able to be fired routinely every hour? Reduce the delay on the weapon to at least a day, when a doomsday is used it should be a big event not your hourly doomsday activation.
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I fully agree on this. The best way to balance would be by decreasing it's frequency of use, not it's power.
Perhaps in addition ot a longer firing time (a day seems good) it could consume more resources?
I agree aswell, and we own 5 of them...
Oooops, wasn't supposed to say that =P
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NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
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Stakhanov
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:23:00 -
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Am I the only one to have noticed that...
~60k damage / 3600 seconds = 16 DPS ?
Fair enough , 16 DPS per hit target. But still - it shows that the only use of a doomsday device is area of effect alpha strike. What kind of ship can't tank 16 DPS ? 
It is therefore silly to increase DDD cooldown , it won't change anything even if multiple Titans are involved. 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 DPS doesn't matter as long as your fleet survives. But nothing will stop Avatar and Ragnarok pilots from synchronizing their attacks and kill it in less than 20 seconds.
Use deception. Attack in waves until the Titans leave. Even if you lose some ships , it's better to claim a battlefield with 100 ships than lose 200 with the Titans still loose.
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