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Jeronica
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:06:00 -
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Lol menod.
I say, do what I do, have a person in a hauler right by your can. Jet a bookmark, move the ore to the can and let the hauler put it in the cargo bin.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:07:00 -
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Let me point out to the OP that originally, you had NO aggression counter and ore thieves had to be suicide-ganked for revenge.
A bunch of people like you boohooed to CCP and so they gave you a GIFT and let you attack people who steal your trash.
Would you attack a homeless guy when he takes stuff out of a dumpster looking for something of value? No, the stuff in there was discarded. That's what jetcans are for.
Shut the hell up and be thankful that you have a timer at all.
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Whats a gatecamp?
Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
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Nathaniel Hull
Caldari
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nathaniel Hull on 24/02/2007 05:42:38
Edited by: Nathaniel Hull on 24/02/2007 05:40:07
I AM THE ORLAX I SPEAK FOR THE ROIDS!!!!
THE ROLLY POLLY ROIDS FROM WHICH YOU MAKE YOUR DROIDS!!!!!
Honestly, raiding miners is a great way to get ore without mining and gives the possibly kills.....if miners are smart they just move on and dont fire back....cuz honestly i want to kill you ...give me the reason. Smart corp groups dangle a worm via a mining can then gank the raiders via corp agro. IVE even seen a guy shooting at roids pretending to mine in a harbrigner.
This form of piracy is legal and is a function of the game world if you want to do something about it plan, protect and fight or move on....bottom line quit your whining.
The best kill ive ever got was raiding an ice miner in a corp anti mining op a long time ago.....The icer stole back and i was called back hauling our ill gotten goods to kill him in my badger of doom. Afterwards we nailed his shuttle. He then got angry and fired on our can with a moa....we scooped his loot. He then undocked in his barge with world agro and we scooped his lasers.
-The lesson dont be stupid theives usually know what they are doing
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.02.24 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nathaniel Hull
Edited by: Nathaniel Hull on 24/02/2007 05:42:38
Edited by: Nathaniel Hull on 24/02/2007 05:40:07
The best kill ive ever got was raiding an ice miner in a corp anti mining op a long time ago.....The icer stole back and i was called back hauling our ill gotten goods to kill him in my badger of doom. Afterwards we nailed his shuttle. He then got angry and fired on our can with a moa....we scooped his loot. He then undocked in his barge with world agro and we scooped his lasers.
-The lesson dont be stupid theives usually know what they are doing
Damn...that's just ridiculous. Congrats on getting a lot of neat stuff off a fool, he deserved the loss apparently.
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
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Whats a gatecamp?
Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
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Carryon
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Posted - 2007.02.24 13:00:00 -
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Fine, if you do not want miners to use jet cans, then dreate some bigger secure cans. The secure cans have not grown in size I think for as long as I have played the game, but mining is now about 10 times faster. So make a 20K or 25K secure can and miners will be happy and shut up.
The real issue here is that CCP is trying to force people to do things in groups. Well, so much for the independant individual, I guess they don't care about them.
Changes, in my opinion, do need to be made. One is that when you fire at a theif only he has kill rights on you, not his whole corp. And limit the "victims" kill right only to those in the mining group. Right now it is just an easy way to declare a 15 minute war. And just for the unsimpathetic people out there, it is the noobies who get griefed the most, and I really do not think CCP wants to discourage new player that badly.
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2007.02.24 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Andies
I didn't read the entire thread, but felt I needed to throw a comment in anyway.
The funniest thing in the world is to see a hauler get popped by a retriever. I personally fit a warp scram on it and wait for the stupid thief to warp in, lock them, wait for them to steal my ore, warp jam them then kill them with drones.
they don't expect it and it is hilarious.
No, that's the second funniest. The funniest thing in the world is to see a retriever pilot who thinks this way get popped by my blockade runner that looks like a badger with a better paint job. I personally fit a warp scam on it and wait for the stupid retriever (not really stupid, just has a bad assumption, happens to the best of us) to sick drones on me. Then I warp jam him and kill him while his drones chew on my paint job.
They don't expect it and it is hilarious.
Lesson: not all haulers are created equal.
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2007.02.24 14:42:00 -
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Actually, there's one thing even funnier that that: when they convo me after and ask "Why you attack me?"
Er, buddy? You attacked me, remember?
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.24 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 24/02/2007 14:52:00
stop crying about it. if you can't protect your ore or write it off, use protection. Lots of noob corps or mercs will protect you for a small fee. im sure if you pay 10% of your ore, 1m, whichever is more, you can get someone to protect you.
even still, you really should be using t2 drones and scrams for protection if you're going it alone. be prepared to either book it or defend yourself if you attack someone.
removed expletive. -Snake Doc
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Lucius Amarriantis
Amarr
Ordo Occultus Deus
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.02.24 15:44:00 -
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OK, gonna offer my perspective on it.
Firstly - to address the issue of of jetcans not being used for mining. CCP couldn;t tell yoiu for sure if it was supposed to be used for mining or not as they are too damn bone idle to actually write proper descriptions for their items - I have brought this up in these forums more times than I can remember and they have yet to respond on that one. Now, youi say that they are noty supposed to be used for mining - can youi tell me ANY other function it could serve that would require the 27500 m3 it can hold?
Secondly, I fully appreciate that jetcan mining is, and should remain to be a risky business, and should not be practiced byt hose who are not fully prepared to defend their assets. With this in mind though, i think that in 1.0 systems mining barges should not be allowed to activate strip mining modules and jetcans should not be allowed to be deployed. The whole system of secure cargo containers should be revised - rather than them not being allowed to be deployed in 0.7 or above they should not be allowed to be deployed in 0.6 or below - only the highest sec systems shoul dbe allowed to have them - this allows for newer players to establish themselves a little. If youi are going to mine in the lower systems ( 0.6 and below) then the risk should increase i.e no secure containers. This woiuld help encourage gang related gameplay and a more balanced system of pvp in regards to ore theft.
Just a few thoughts but ones i think would make a large appreciable difference.
Lucius
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.24 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 24/02/2007 16:38:13
Originally by: Lucius Amarriantis
The whole system of secure cargo containers should be revised - rather than them not being allowed to be deployed in 0.7 or above they should not be allowed to be deployed in 0.6 or below - only the highest sec systems shoul dbe allowed to have them
that's utter insanity... you've obviously never had to live out of a can in deep space...
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Heinrich Klaus
Internet Tough Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 18:19:00 -
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This is an MMO, and it's about working together. Solo mining shouldn't really be a lucrative practice without risks.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.02.24 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 23/02/2007 19:16:17
Please don't re-open this issue. It has been discussed to death a gazillion times before (do a search for it on EVE-Search), the latest one a multi-page thread a couple of weeks ago.
To sum it up:
1. You (the miner) is abusing an unintended game mechanic (yes, CCP has acknowledged that jet-cans were never supposed to be used for mining).
2. They (the thieves) are taking advantage of you abusing game mechanics to get rich.
3. You have the right to shoot at the thieves. If you choose not to use that right, don't whine about them stealing from you.
4. EVE is not 'My Little Pony In Space'. It is a game where there basically are no rules except what concord enforces.
Life is hard, then you die.....
I think jet can mining is now a 'legal' way of mining, hence the introduction of the agro - along also with loot thief's.
That said, I don';t believe the OP is complaining about the thief in general, simply the fact its an alt, that is said simply because the main character doesn't have the balls to do it himself.
I steal ore now and then, need to make ammo somehow, but I do it with my main, and when I get shot, I shoot back and its fun.
Alt usage is the problem, just the same as alts and scamming is, as hard as it is, I think CCP should remove alts, then people cant hide when the want to break the 'law'.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ilea Celentay
Alt usage is the problem, just the same as alts and scamming is, as hard as it is, I think CCP should remove alts, then people cant hide when the want to break the 'law'.
That's not a bad solution. However alts do serve a purpose and to not have them would be bad too. In the end I think it's gonna come down to, protect your can if you are able to do so, if not, find someplace quiet to mine and let the poor saps that mine in populated sysems deal with ore thieves, or put up with the possible loss as part of the cost of doing business.
Another option is go steal ore your self, find some people that have been in an NPC corp for six months, have the noob agent only and a stupid name and steal ore from them. Some of them fight back, most don't.
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.27 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 27/02/2007 23:31:39
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ilea Celentay
Alt usage is the problem, just the same as alts and scamming is, as hard as it is, I think CCP should remove alts, then people cant hide when the want to break the 'law'.
That's not a bad solution. However alts do serve a purpose and to not have them would be bad too. In the end I think it's gonna come down to, protect your can if you are able to do so, if not, find someplace quiet to mine and let the poor saps that mine in populated sysems deal with ore thieves, or put up with the possible loss as part of the cost of doing business.
Another option is go steal ore your self, find some people that have been in an NPC corp for six months, have the noob agent only and a stupid name and steal ore from them. Some of them fight back, most don't.
I cleaned out Ashab with this tactic. Farmers are bad for the game. Marcos are worse. i'll steal their ore over and over until they leave the system i happen to be flying through, and i'll do it without regret or remorse. i don't care what ship i'm in, i'll grief the hell out of you if you're farming or macroing and i won't care to hear you crying.
*edit*
I will, however leave legit corp ops alone. I'll even mine with them or fly security if the mood strikes me.
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