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BRANSCOMB	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:23:00 - [1] The move to lessen the difficulty of level 4 mission and implement level 5 and 6 but only in low security systems stinks. Myself and many of my friends feel this is just another show of favoritism towards the very powerful groups who control low sec syatems. It now seems if in the future if you want to run some higher level missions you will have to either join or pay an alliance or pirate corp a fee to enter "their" systems and use "their" agents. So now it seems that those of us who enjoy lvl4 missions and the more difficult among them will now have to risk losing our ships and losing implants just to get to an agent. Maybe this is a way devs can show favoritism without an ethical problem like was recently uncovered. Don't know but this is just my opinion and feelings on this matter.
Ladyfixit	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:40:00 - [2] I am not sure forcing people out of High Security is the answer. Seems to me alot of people like being in High Sec and enjoy themselves plenty. I think by now people are where they want to be and enjoy the choice of entering low sec when they want or staying in High Security to replenish and relax. Since we all do not wish to be dictated to by some of the alliances out there, I do not feel this would be a good choice, Im not sure how this would impact the player base, but I do know of quite of few people who do not like the idea of being forced to lower sec systems. The faction wars I dont see is any help to this cause, since there will always be griefer pirates. Low security already has the larger rats, and larger rewards for missions, why not just add missions to all security levels and keep with the same higher reward for higher risk. I understand ultimatley EVE is designed as a PvP game, but not all your subscribers like constant PvP, isnt that what truly makes EVE unique, it has everything for everybody? Or was I mistaken in the greatness of this universe? Thank you for your time =)
Traknor Idalis	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:55:00 - [3] Perhaps I am just paranoid (I doubt it) but the specific wording of "Hand-placing" sounds a bit suspect to me. Also, how are younger players or corporations expected to "colonize" low-sec areas when often they are gravely overmatched by alliances who insist on griefing anyone who doesnt take their mark of the beast?! Is that what this game is about.....throwing the lambs to the wolves?! How is it going to be more enjoyable for myself and others to be forced into more dangerous areas to survive, when the technologically advanced inhabitants of these areas make it impossible?! This sounds to me like an ultimatum...."Join us or be poor and die!" Did I just hear the Devs say YYYAAAARRR!!!? Who are the real pirates these days?
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.02.24 02:34:00 - [4] everyone make way for the waaaaaambulance /me quietly goes back to probing out high sec mission runners and stealing mission criticial loot and screwing with aggro to be an ass And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Ladyfixit	Posted - 2007.02.24 04:00:00 - [5] WOW what a surprise that a comment like that would show up!! Arent you the lucky one to be the first to flame a few players who dont give in to your way. But then I expected comments of the such, just thought they would at least be of some itelligence =) You know having some sort of argument or debate to back it up. I bet your a member of BoB too. Once again, I think my point has been proven.. Thank you very much!!! Those who sit back in High Security, enjoy some good laughs with there friends while running missions or mining are ridiculed -- BRAVO BRAVO Just a humble High Security runner's opinion =) Once again, Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.24 07:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Ladyfixit WOW what a surprise that a comment like that would show up!! Arent you the lucky one to be the first to flame a few players who dont give in to your way. But then I expected comments of the such, just thought they would at least be of some itelligence =) You know having some sort of argument or debate to back it up. I bet your a member of BoB too. Once again, I think my point has been proven.. Thank you very much!!! Those who sit back in High Security, enjoy some good laughs with there friends while running missions or mining are ridiculed -- BRAVO BRAVO Just a humble High Security runner's opinion =) Once again, Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Want to make more isk doing missions, there will be risk involved. Deal with it. Your BoB comment was quite immature. Grow up. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.24 07:17:00 - [7] I thought level 5 agents would allow capital ships again? It would make sense that they would all be in low sec if you could use capital ships to run their missions, seeing as capital ships can't enter high sec. Capital ships aside, I don't see how it's a bad thing that the super high level agents would be available in low sec only. It's a part of the risk vs reward thing. You can already make lots of money running missions in high sec, and as it stands, low sec isn't that appealing. It needs some sort of a boost, and this might do it. Also, low sec space isn't as dangerous as a lot of people make it out to be. Sure, there are some areas that have lots of pirates floating around, but there are just as many places that are dead quiet. It doesn't take much to keep yourself safe. Keep an eye on local, be prepared to warp out, among other things. Lastly, please use paragraphs next time you post. The solid block of text made it a little hard to read.
Hunlight Faithus	Posted - 2007.02.24 08:09:00 - [8] I agree with Branscomb 100% here the answere isn't to move agents to low sec its to better distribute them maybe spread agents out rather than in saila or motsu. and ont he note that you maybe able to use capital well they should spread lvl 5 out over low and high but make the lo sec ones of higher quality, cause i for one will still run missions in high sec and will always cause i don't want to risk like many you other pilots my good fittings on my ship. I think thta most people woudl os the same it would only be a select few that went to the low sec to mission and thus if they got popular the stations would be camped. so please ccp don't f**k up missions leave them as they are and spread the current lvl 4's out and if you really want lvl 5 make it so its a group effore in low sec ONLY LVL 5 in low sec.
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 08:16:00 - [9] Is it just me, or does the OP's writing style suspiciously match most of the alt posts in this thread. It must sound nice to agree with yourself, eh? Originally by: DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.24 11:50:00 - [10] no amount of whiiiaannnninnnnngggg on this thread will change CCPs course level 4 agents will be about the peak for the i wanna play solo brigade and they will be catered for within empire Low sec it needs more peeps there and tbh in a lot of areas there are anti pirate groupings that watch each others back etc. Removing or reducing the sec hit in low sec for attacking someone with a security status lower than -5.1 is a great idea ( if youre an anti pirate attacking a well known pirate the sec hit wont be as bad) if youre a pirate but want to keep a yellow sec status do some ratting as offset Bring in bounty contracts to

deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.02.24 12:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Ladyfixit WOW what a surprise that a comment like that would show up!! Arent you the lucky one to be the first to flame a few players who dont give in to your way. But then I expected comments of the such, just thought they would at least be of some itelligence =) You know having some sort of argument or debate to back it up. I bet your a member of BoB too. Once again, I think my point has been proven.. Thank you very much!!! Those who sit back in High Security, enjoy some good laughs with there friends while running missions or mining are ridiculed -- BRAVO BRAVO Just a humble High Security runner's opinion =) Once again, Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Why does everyone keep calling me a bob alt? And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.24 15:00:00 - [12] actually most low sec isnt controlled by very powerful groups at all, just a few systems. all the best lvl4 agents are already there anyway ------------
Ladyfixit	Posted - 2007.02.24 16:40:00 - [13] Firstly, I am not anyone on this threads alt, nor is anyone my alt. Secondly, Ok I get the paragraph thing, it is easier to read. So as you can probably tell Im not as seasoned at forum posting as others. Thirdly, There are some very intelligent comments about the missions and low security going on now.. I appreciate that. I think that's more of what we need. I understand the capital ships cannot enter high security, and I believe I said that, higher reward for higher risk, so I think I dealt with it =) Still however, couldnt there be an addition to missions for the high security mission runners, where some missions would require a larger gang to complete the mission or something similiar. All I am stating is that it not right to take the missions of value and decrease them for high security, and make people be forced to go to low security to earn a living. I believe I also read something about taking away bounties and making LP more of a purchasing tool, wouldnt that kind of make the game a grind like some of the other games - you have to be here to run your missions to get ahead, personally I dont have more then a couple hours a few days a week to play. Lastly, if High Security is always so full and overloaded with people, while low security only has a handful of systems that is populated, doesnt that kind of say it all right there. I have been in low security several times, I don't like the watching your back constantly, having to keep an eye on local.. I play EVE to relax, not to watch the on-goings like a hawk, I can do that at work =)
Vmir Gallahasen Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.02.24 19:29:00 - [14] Quote: Lastly, if High Security is always so full and overloaded with people, while low security only has a handful of systems that is populated, doesnt that kind of say it all right there. Yes, it says that the load on the server is unbalanced and needs balancing Quote: I have been in low security several times, I don't like the watching your back constantly, having to keep an eye on local.. I play EVE to relax, not to watch the on-goings like a hawk, I can do that at work =) You don't have to watch your back constantly or keep an eye on local. The mechanics for relaxed eve-playing are there, and they will be called level 4 missions in high security space. If you are interested in more of a challenge and greater reward, then you're going to have to cope with the greater risk of low-security space. You don't instapop to pirates when in lowsec unless you're careless, and a little caution and experience will allow you to reap the benefits of being there and lose very little in monetary terms. You may even find out PvP-ship combat is far more entertaining than running missions
Xandalis Caldari Freespace Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.25 11:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen You may even find out PvP-ship combat is far more entertaining than running missions True enough, but most(keyword here) of the PvP experiences in low-sec usually invovle several heavy hitting ships ganking one ship of equal or lesser value/strength/skill/whathave you. Not always true, but when you loose a 350/sec regen passive-tanked drake to 3 BS's, 2 BC's, and 3 cruisers, that still hurts the wallet. Of course, in the case I just mentioned, I knew I stood a chance of getting popped while out in low-sec. I can recover from that loss, but it does suck, and it is hard, and when trying to recover from a loss like that, you really CAN'T do it in low-sec, because if you're already down, it's very hard to get back up while operating out there. One thing most of you have to remember, is NOT everyone has 32+ mil skillpoints. When you're saying these things to people who may've only been playing 6 months, and are barely able to properly fit&skill a certian ship, and have worked most of that 6 months just to get into it, we're talking about a very BIG loss of resources for that character. And if you're going to push the low-sec/0.0 thing as a viable option, that's fine. I've been around the game long enough to have gotten into a bit of everything. But at least don't just sit there saying "stop complaining about high-sec being less rewarding if you don't want to go into low-sec" and start giving some VIABLE advice on how to make the most profit from high-sec work since you obviously know how to do it. Or are you afraid that you're going to find your super-secret-squirrel-hidden-complex in Jita is going to suddenly be farmed heavily the next time you go there? Greed is what makes it hard on those players who want to just go out and enjoy the game without having to deal with scammers/pirates/alliance wars/griefers, because all that's left to do then is mine/mission/rat in high-sec. Where most of the time you find so many cans anchored at belts you can't even move for 30 seconds after warping in. Now, for all of you who think this thread is full of "whiners", just think, when CCP gets around to messing with YOUR nice litte corner of the game, how are you going to react? Are we going to see a thread where you complain and moan about it? Probably. But that's okay, just go and buy your ISK like normal, since I really doubt you can manage to play in anything but the highest-end ship and gear, and after a few losses, I really doubt you have the wallet to actually be coming back in a faction BS with all faction/officer/deadspace equipment 5 times in a row.
GLok Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.25 12:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Xandalis Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen You may even find out PvP-ship combat is far more entertaining than running missions True enough, but most(keyword here) of the PvP experiences in low-sec usually invovle several heavy hitting ships ganking one ship of equal or lesser value/strength/skill/whathave you. Not always true, but when you loose a 350/sec regen passive-tanked drake to 3 BS's, 2 BC's, and 3 cruisers, that still hurts the wallet. Of course, in the case I just mentioned, I knew I stood a chance of getting popped while out in low-sec. I can recover from that loss, but it does suck, and it is hard, and when trying to recover from a loss like that, you really CAN'T do it in low-sec, because if you're already down, it's very hard to get back up while operating out there. One thing most of you have to remember, is NOT everyone has 32+ mil skillpoints. When you're saying these things to people who may've only been playing 6 months, and are barely able to properly fit&skill a certian ship, and have worked most of that 6 months just to get into it, we're talking about a very BIG loss of resources for that character. And if you're going to push the low-sec/0.0 thing as a viable option, that's fine. I've been around the game long enough to have gotten into a bit of everything. But at least don't just sit there saying "stop complaining about high-sec being less rewarding if you don't want to go into low-sec" and start giving some VIABLE advice on how to make the most profit from high-sec work since you obviously know how to do it. Or are you afraid that you're going to find your super-secret-squirrel-hidden-complex in Jita is going to suddenly be farmed heavily the next time you go there? Greed is what makes it hard on those players who want to just go out and enjoy the game without having to deal with scammers/pirates/alliance wars/griefers, because all that's left to do then is mine/mission/rat in high-sec. Where most of the time you find so many cans anchored at belts you can't even move for 30 seconds after warping in. Now, for all of you who think this thread is full of "whiners", just think, when CCP gets around to messing with YOUR nice litte corner of the game, how are you going to react? Are we going to see a thread where you complain and moan about it? Probably. But that's okay, just go and buy your ISK like normal, since I really doubt you can manage to play in anything but the highest-end ship and gear, and after a few losses, I really doubt you have the wallet to actually be coming back in a faction BS with all faction/officer/deadspace equipment 5 times in a row. Yes not everyone have 30m+ sp, but thats the point, level 5's arent MEANT to be run bythose players, and if they are, it has to be done in groups which should be able to deal with local pirates. You do not die in low sec, or die to gate camp if you scout properley and dont be stupid(like you would in 0.0) and they wont disrupt your gameplay if as you say there only interested in 7 vs 1, get your freinds and go play then, they will obviously run away allowing your route to free up. This is the way eve space is supposed to be its CONSTANTLY competitive, for the best routes, best agents, best regions. And as you say "your corner of the game" i think you'll find its more than messed around with in every patch, also ever tryed tanking 2 or 3 people in a fight(doing like 3x more dmg than npcs) when you cant even activate your modules and you lag so bad you cant shoot anything. You moan about people flaming your part of the game while you flame about their more wise gameplay choice, how ironic. --------------------
Chaomos Skynard The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2007.02.25 19:46:00 - [17] This is a great idea imo to get new blood into low sec. Where we are at is soooo empty sometimes and it may help convince some PVEs that PVP is not such a bad thing. Mix it up a little. Higher level mission will often require team work. If you are in team, from that will come safety in numbers. Just think of pirates as bigger spawns that drop nicer loot and is not so bad
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.25 19:58:00 - [18] Most people who pvp got their stuff from taking risks. But mission runners think they are special, that they deserve more stuff without risk and that the rules somehow dont apply to them. If you want more isk, take more risk. I think maybe Blizzard games is more your thing. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
Das Forscher Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 20:46:00 - [19] go out and claim it otherwise, stop crying like a little baby _____________________________________________________
Jason C	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:45:00 - [20] Fact is that a lot of mission runners are people who don't have the time or resources to habitate in low sec. I've lived in 0.0 for months and you guys know exactly what's going to happen. The popular systems where the missions are located will be gate camped to hell and gone. People who only have a few hours to play and aren't part of a large corp are going to be Pirate chow. Mission runners don't feel special, they don't have special privileges. But it doesn't matter how "careful" you are when the gate or station is camped. Or you get probed out in your safespot. Especially if you're already torn to hell in a mission that went bad. And everyone of you know that a "Mission Ship" is not a "PvP Ship". What we're saying is we don't like being forced into an aspect of the game that for whatever reason we don't wish to deal with at the time.

Mar Idoun Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:35:00 - [21] If missions runners don't want to be "Pirate Chow" then stick with level 4s. It's really pretty simple. There's fact of life in Eve; the fact is that not all content is served up on a platter and accessible by simply setting your autopilot to the system of the best level 5 agent. Get some friends, Mission together. You don't even have to be a tight group, just gang up when you need some defense. Be a security network for each other. If this is something you don't accept then, with my sincerest apologies and regret and respect, I have to inform you that this is not the right game for you (anyone, not just the OP or anyone agreeing with him).
pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:48:00 - [22] If level 5 and 6 missions require capital ships, why would you want to run them in high sec, where a capital ship can't jump into?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:50:00 - [23] Currently, many low sec Agent systems have mini anti-pirate defence forces. Under attack? Dont worry, as within a few moments, half of local warps to your aid. And if there is no pirate defence force, then simply form one up. After all, how can you expect carrier missions that are in highsec, when carriers cannot enter Highsec? Perhaps a lvl7 Mining Agent for Chribba Dread in Amarr being an exception of course --

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Chribba on 26/02/2007 12:17:12 That'd be sweet, "Mining Agent> Bring me 100,000 units of Veldspar in 15 minutes! And be careful there are Scordite astroids lurking in the fields to make your day hard!" Help me help you .

Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Riggers Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:40:00 - [25] I'm a mission runner. I must admit i was quite distraught (ok, can't spell the word). I don't mind them moving the lvl 5's to low sec and generally makeing low sec more popular. I just hope mission rats still drop components... It will be removed at some point, but untill then I would like to make some more rigs
Fafnir Drake Boob Heads	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:19:00 - [26] Lord WarATron, love the sig. Some people are like slinkies. Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Andreya	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:39:00 - [27] Lvl 5 6 and or 7 missions means more isk for you carebears right? risk vs reward, there no way you should be able to make billions of isk a week in complete safety of empire. forget it. not gonna happen, you guys are already lucky you cant get probed while out in a mission. as for 'powerful groups' controlling the low sec...? i dont think so, barely anyone lives in low sec unless its a lowsec entrance to their 0.0 home. bah, lvl 1 and 2 missions should be in empire, the rest should be in low sec
Poiter	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:52:00 - [28] Well, I'm a mission runner myself. I think it nice that there will be higher level agents available. It means more ISK without the headaches of pirating. The thing I do NOT like, however, is that CCP lowers the difficulty (thus PAYOUT) for the lvl 4 missions. Why would they do that? Lvl4 missions are the end of the way for empire missions, wouldn't you think these are just hard? As I'm not going to 0.0 for my missions, I would rather NOT see my mission payouts be reduced for nothing.
Peacock McNuggets Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:20:00 - [29] Risk Vs Reward people Risk Vs Reward. If you want the higher level missions then you are asking for more reward. In doing so you must accept that there will be either more risk i.e. you run the risk of being ganked on your mission by a local inhabitant of the area. Or you must accept that there will be a stipulation that you agree access term with the locals (very rare in low sec in my experience) The huge piles of isk that can be made mission running cannot always be done with no risk and there should never be anything except the most basic missions that are 100% risk free to everyone.
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:09:00 - [30] Originally by: deathforge everyone make way for the waaaaaambulance /me quietly goes back to probing out high sec mission runners and stealing mission criticial loot and screwing with aggro to be an ass Do you also bake puppies in ovens?



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