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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:37:00 -
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I am sure this must have been posted somewhere bu I couldnt find a post in the first couple of pages so I though I would ask the question.
Is it just me or is there just not enough pyerite producing ores in game? Scordite is the obvious easy contender when mining specifically for pye' but even then there is just not enough scord to really get a big pile of pye stocked up for production.
The new BP's in game have just made things worse really. With a rokh needing about 3 mill pye for a build that is one heck of a pile of scord that is needed. Even taking into account the named scord, you are going to need somewhere in the order of 15 jet cans of scord to get 3 mill pye. And because many people are in the same situation its hard to get 15 cans of scord from an entire system these days.
So what should be done about it? well a few ideas I have had is maybe introduce faster/bigger spawns of scord (way back when you used to get uber rocks of scord but they max out at about 35k units now AFAIK) Or maybe introduce an uber scord (in 0.4 and lower maybe to get the carebares moving) that produces more pye per refine.
When mining to produce its always the pye we are short of as we have not found enough scord, so come on Devs - give us lowly producers a leg up please.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.24 13:35:00 -
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Well Plagioclase has actually a much higher content of Pyrite than Scordite. Yes, its volume is nearly double, but from what you are saying, you seem more concerned about availability of the ore itself. And thus access to the Pyerite.
My suggestion is to find a system overun with Plagioclase, and mine until you can't stand it. You'll find that you actually acquire more Pyrite in the amount of time you would have spent constantly moving to other systems with the lower volume Scordite.
Logistically speaking, Plagio is the real winner for acquiring Pyerite. IMO.
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2007.02.24 13:52:00 -
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well thats something to think about and makes me wonder if the lack of pyertite is just a localised problem.
Looking closely at the figures, per 100m3 or ore mined, scord is still the king of pye as you get 833 pye compared to only 439 for the same volume of mined ore. this leaves scord clearly out on its own as a supply of pye.
However deep in amarr territory, (as we are) there is no plag' and that means we have no good secondary supply of pyerite. In fact, as other supplies of pyerite we only have Pyroxeres (which gives 59 pyerite per 100m3 of ore) and jaspet (which gives 26 pyerite per 100m3 of ore).
This only makes me think even more so that the balance of ore is wrong and we need more ore to supply pyerite in the amarr region.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.24 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Xofar on 24/02/2007 14:05:35
 Originally by: Mr Gimlet
well thats something to think about and makes me wonder if the lack of pyertite is just a localised problem.
Looking closely at the figures, per 100m3 or ore mined, scord is still the king of pye as you get 833 pye compared to only 439 for the same volume of mined ore. this leaves scord clearly out on its own as a supply of pye.
However deep in amarr territory, (as we are) there is no plag' and that means we have no good secondary supply of pyerite. In fact, as other supplies of pyerite we only have Pyroxeres (which gives 59 pyerite per 100m3 of ore) and jaspet (which gives 26 pyerite per 100m3 of ore).
This only makes me think even more so that the balance of ore is wrong and we need more ore to supply pyerite in the amarr region.
That's correct, pound for pound, scordite is the winner. But again, it's a logistics thing, IMO. The less you have to move around and hunt for what you want, then the more you acquire over same amount of time.
If I remember, around Onga you can find a good supply of Plagio. I was prospecting for Omber and found large belts full of plagio. Not sure how close that is to where you are, though. Maybe get in a fast ship and check it out. With WTZ, it's no problem traversing long jump routes.
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Ezra
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.24 19:16:00 -
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I think the problem is that CCP expanded 0.0 significantly to provide more space for EVE's growing population, but not highsec.
Simply put, unless one is desperate, it does not make sense to mine scord in 0.0.
The end result is that supply of higher end minerals has gone up (especially with the new drone drops), demand has gone up (steadily increasing population, easy access to half the minerals you need to build stuff in large quantities), but the supply of lowends has not improved.
CCP needs to add more highsec regions just like they added new 0.0 regions to balance the supply of lowend vs. highend minerals, either that or increase growth rate of lowend roids to compensate for the vast increase in availability of highend roids and other sources of highend minerals (drone drops).
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.24 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Xofar on 24/02/2007 20:15:14
Originally by: Ezra
I think the problem is that CCP expanded 0.0 significantly to provide more space for EVE's growing population, but not highsec.
Simply put, unless one is desperate, it does not make sense to mine scord in 0.0.
The end result is that supply of higher end minerals has gone up (especially with the new drone drops), demand has gone up (steadily increasing population, easy access to half the minerals you need to build stuff in large quantities), but the supply of lowends has not improved.
CCP needs to add more highsec regions just like they added new 0.0 regions to balance the supply of lowend vs. highend minerals, either that or increase growth rate of lowend roids to compensate for the vast increase in availability of highend roids and other sources of highend minerals (drone drops).
Good points. Maybe an additional respawn on Wednesdays for all 0.8 and above systems would do the trick. This way, even if they are not all mined out by the end of the week, you'll have some fatter roids to mine on Friday.
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente
Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.25 06:26:00 -
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Plenty of Pye-bearing ore around. Take a look at Ombey's excellent maps, find yourself the nice 0.5 - 0.6 dead end systems that are a little off the beaten path or systems that have *no* stations. These kinds of systems usually see much less mining traffic because of those characteristics and have significantly larger amounts of the desired ores.
It goes without saying to try to avoid systems in areas that have generally have higher population densities.
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Firid Soulbane
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.02.25 06:58:00 -
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Whats the best npc module to reprocess for pyerite? Im told theres something you can reprocess which gives you a pye price around 9 isk. Id be very interested to hear.
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Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
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Posted - 2007.02.25 17:22:00 -
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Arushia
Nova Labs
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Firid Soulbane
Whats the best npc module to reprocess for pyerite? Im told theres something you can reprocess which gives you a pye price around 9 isk. Id be very interested to hear.
Ever structure-tank a frigate? </obfuscation>
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The Rincewind
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Posted - 2007.03.05 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ezra
I think the problem is that CCP expanded 0.0 significantly to provide more space for EVE's growing population, but not highsec.
Simply put, unless one is desperate, it does not make sense to mine scord in 0.0.
The end result is that supply of higher end minerals has gone up (especially with the new drone drops), demand has gone up (steadily increasing population, easy access to half the minerals you need to build stuff in large quantities), but the supply of lowends has not improved.
CCP needs to add more highsec regions just like they added new 0.0 regions to balance the supply of lowend vs. highend minerals, either that or increase growth rate of lowend roids to compensate for the vast increase in availability of highend roids and other sources of highend minerals (drone drops).
I think u re right...
And, for example, didn t one of the GM¦s explaining that eve is a PvP-based game? I guess thats why they influenced the 0.0 sec with much more Ore. But if that means also the capital mining-ship will come, i welcome those changes and looking forward for a new eve-history.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.03.05 13:13:00 -
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Yes pvp-based, but not PURE pvp. So if they don't want to put time in the industrial part of Eve, they shouldn't have built an industrial part in the first place...
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.05 16:19:00 -
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there is HUGH abundance of pye in 0.0.
was buying pyerite in 0.0 forwhile at under 1 isk a unite due to scarcity of nocx.
i blame it on hauler spawns tbh.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Niton Stormrider
HCD
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:24:00 -
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It must just be a regional thing. I've been mining scord in Villore for cash the last couple of weeks, and even though it is one of the big hub systems in Essence, and even on the day before ore spawn, I never have trouble finding as much regular and even condensed scordite as I care to mine in the first belt I jump to. Since pyerite is so key to industry and not worth enough for a most miners to risk going after it in 0.0, CCP really should consider boosting the ore spawns in empire regions that are pyerite poor.
In the mean time, feel free to come Villore and buy it from me...I got lots. :)
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Lrrp
Minmatar
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2007.03.05 23:45:00 -
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Do not forget that certain missions have Scordite (and other ores) and are a nice way to mine (no ore thieves) as are exploration sites.
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MilhouseNixon
Amarr
Intergalactic Business Solutions
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Posted - 2007.03.06 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: MilhouseNixon on 06/03/2007 05:34:59
Why are there so many people whose reaction to a market adjustment is "Oh my God, what is CCP going to do about the price of XXXX?!?!" There are plenty of Pyerite producing ores in the game, and I am pretty sure a month ago you were not worried about how much Scordite you could find in a belt.
People tend to mine what will make them the most money. There is nothing that needs to be done about anything.
Originally by: Mr Gimlet
I am sure this must have been posted somewhere bu I couldnt find a post in the first couple of pages so I though I would ask the question.
Is it just me or is there just not enough pyerite producing ores in game? Scordite is the obvious easy contender when mining specifically for pye' but even then there is just not enough scord to really get a big pile of pye stocked up for production.
The new BP's in game have just made things worse really. With a rokh needing about 3 mill pye for a build that is one heck of a pile of scord that is needed. Even taking into account the named scord, you are going to need somewhere in the order of 15 jet cans of scord to get 3 mill pye. And because many people are in the same situation its hard to get 15 cans of scord from an entire system these days.
So what should be done about it? well a few ideas I have had is maybe introduce faster/bigger spawns of scord (way back when you used to get uber rocks of scord but they max out at about 35k units now AFAIK) Or maybe introduce an uber scord (in 0.4 and lower maybe to get the carebares moving) that produces more pye per refine.
When mining to produce its always the pye we are short of as we have not found enough scord, so come on Devs - give us lowly producers a leg up please.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:10:00 -
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If you guys are so obsessed with Pyrite, then please buy 53mil pyrite from me at 5 each unit.
Oh... Its in 0.0 though 
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Mabari
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mabari on 06/03/2007 14:35:57
Edited by: Mabari on 06/03/2007 14:35:23
sold you can deliver the peyrite in villore and put on contract to me :)
but to be honest taking away the asteroid belts in 1.0 sectors and systems like jita doesn't improve the situation at all.
greets Mabari
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Mabari
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:41:00 -
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But to be honest taking away the asteroid belts in 1.0 sectors and systems like jita doesn't improve the situation at all.
greets Mabari who cannot edit a post :)
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Gimlet
Even taking into account the named scord, you are going to need somewhere in the order of 15 jet cans of scord to get 3 mill pye. And because many people are in the same situation its hard to get 15 cans of scord from an entire system these days.
Why would you want to mine low-end stuff? Mine high end stuff (as high end as you can risk, e.g. Omber, Kernite or Pyroxeres in High Sec), or Hegberdite in low sec, refine, sell the minerals, and buy Pyerite from the cash you make.
I don't see why anyone wants to mine the lowly stuff and compete with macro miners. I was briefly in a corp once that would mine Veld all day long to get Trit for a mothership - while they could have mined Pyroxeres in the same time, sold it, and bought all the Trit needed and had some extra cash over.
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Why would you want to mine low-end stuff? Mine high end stuff (as high end as you can risk, e.g. Omber, Kernite or Pyroxeres in High Sec), or Hegberdite in low sec, refine, sell the minerals, and buy Pyerite from the cash you make.
Why? Becuase with current mineral prices, Scordite isn't "low end" anymore, it's very competitive with Omber, Kernite and Pyro. The jump up to Hedbergite isn't massive either, considering the added risks of taking a tricked-out barge into low-sec (and if you say use a different ship, remember to factor in the lower mining rate into your comparisons).
Remember, it's isk per m3 that matters, not isk per unit or the old "alphabet league table". The post-revelations price changes have shaken things up considerably, especially when looking at the "best" high-sec ores.
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Daerkannon Shimmerscale
Gallente
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Why would you want to mine low-end stuff? Mine high end stuff (as high end as you can risk, e.g. Omber, Kernite or Pyroxeres in High Sec), or Hegberdite in low sec, refine, sell the minerals, and buy Pyerite from the cash you make.
This, in part, is responsible for the crash of high end minerals and the subsequent surge of low ends. In fact it is now more profitable to mine Scord right now than any other high sec ore. Hemo and Hed aren't far ahead of it either.
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Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kruugore on 06/03/2007 17:25:57
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
I don't see why anyone wants to mine the lowly stuff and compete with macro miners. I was briefly in a corp once that would mine Veld all day long to get Trit for a mothership - while they could have mined Pyroxeres in the same time, sold it, and bought all the Trit needed and had some extra cash over.
I say the same thing for ICE.
Can mine minerals, sell them, and use the money to buy ice products faster than you could just mine ice.
Especially for Amarr Ice because no one likes Amarr towers ;) They are the cheapest to run.
Mr. K
VIGILANT JUSTICE
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