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Soulstinger	Posted - 2003.12.17 03:37:00 - [1] First field I warped to, farthest setting, thorax's swarmed over, scrambled, and with my old MWD adding a total 7 to my top speed, my BS that I had owned for maybe a week is gone. Is this what I pay CCP for? No. I know people will flame me for this, but I must ask what put the idea in your head to make this game niegh-impossible for anyone in groups under 10? Im a lone wolf and my ability to play this game is gone. Sure I could hunt in like .4 where the rats are manageable by 1 BS, but I wont. It is my heartfelt opinion that this patch needs some MAJOR revampings already. I'm betting 30-40% of people out there will quit, or at least share my opinion. I almost feel like asking reimbursement for my afterburner/mwd/acceleration control skills to be reimbursed, as they are useless for a BS untill you find 100mg ab'rs. Hav'nt tried missions yet but my style of play has been utterly destroyed. CCP, if you harbor ANY thought that you try to please customers, I'd listen to what people will say in the coming days. Mind you, I'm not quitting, but I'm IMMENSLY displeased. Flame away.
Musix Man	Posted - 2003.12.17 03:44:00 - [2] Don't worry about people flaming you. You made a valid point. The "game" just got to realistic, im sure they will revamp it soon.
Clintus McGintus	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:06:00 - [3] Man there are warnings all over telling people to be careful going out NPC hunting; that all systems got a revamp in rats. I am so stoked. There are 20k - 50k rats in empire space now and even bigger fish in 0.0 This is going to make players hunt together. And I believe that it will slow down the PvP, not get rid of it all together. And if anyone quits over stupid ish like this, the're retards. ________________________________________________ May the Force be with you.
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:30:00 - [4] So then 0.0 space should be off limits to everyone unless they hunt in groups of 10 players? 5 Battleships all firing on one NPC battleship.. The NPC battleship lasts 5 minutes still AND takes one person in the group of five out.. That is NOT right. You can not expect everyone to hang with 10 other players all the time. Half the people I play with are on different time zones. I USED to do alot on my own. Now you need ten people to warp to a belt. And what's so "realistic" about not being able to mine AT ALL in 0.0 space?? Come out here and try it for your selves before talking. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Ezra	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:38:00 - [5] While I'm glad there is "high-end" NPC content that requires large groups to win against. Such "high-end" encounters should be rare and restricted to special hard-to-find spots. (i.e. POIs). Not in asteroid belts making it impossible to mine. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Ezekiel Nailo	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:44:00 - [6] Okay just for everyones information yes pirates have been increased (which i beleive is a good thing) second. No you dont need 10 Bs's to take on Npc pirates just dont underestimate them, get a 100MN Mwd before you try so if you are in danger you get more than 7 to top speed. second 0.0 pirates arent all in battleships. I took on a spawn today in Egbinger (a 0.0) in my Rifter (yes that is a frigate) and kicked its ass without loosing shields (and i didnt have a booster)
Intoccabile	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:44:00 - [7] Just think of all the people who spent millions of i$k on LiFs, YS-8 and other good ABs (MWDs too) and now they're worth jack squat... The travel nerf was particularly hard, 250 energy to activate the 100mn ABs, ouch!
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:46:00 - [8] Yeah right.. No way you could do anything in your Rifter out in deep space.
Arud	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:53:00 - [9] Quote: Just think of all the people who spent millions of i$k on LiFs, YS-8 and other good ABs (MWDs too) and now they're worth jack squat... The travel nerf was particularly hard, 250 energy to activate the 100mn ABs, ouch! actually those are quite good, checked out my lif mwd and its BS grade, checked out my YS8 ab's and they offer me 40% boost, but I can only activate 2 on my bestower instead of 4 like before
Drutort	Posted - 2003.12.17 04:55:00 - [10] hmm maybe you can try and fight 20 thorax's with missiles and stuff... GG ya and the best ore is hmm dark ore and jasp???? FIX it? why did they do it in first pllace i know like 5 or 6 ppl who lost there ships 3 bs just went down to 20 thorax's ya ok there not soloing... but they got raped support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Raven DeBlade	Posted - 2003.12.17 05:04:00 - [11] Farming AND mining in 0,0 is VERY dangerous now... as they have stated in patchnotes and in the forums. It is good that its dangerous. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees" "Any statements made above this line are my persona"
Thorsten Kabrinski	Posted - 2003.12.17 05:05:00 - [12] just fought some npcs in a group of 11 bs....result: 4 bs down. not nice to see pirates suddenly spawn 5km away from some guys and take them out before they locked anything... do only I think that mining in 0.0 is nearly impossible for smaller corps now? bs npcs, better cruiser npcs, np....but pls not 10 and more at once...this cant be the goal, to make lifing in 0.0 impossible for corps with 30 members and less...just my 2 cent hm....need a new sig :p
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2003.12.17 05:10:00 - [13] Quote: Raven DeBlade the Calderi from Bladerunners said: It is good that its dangerous. What's so good about it? Please explain what's so good about not being able to mine / farm / and especially solo in 0.0 space? What is so good about that? So if I don't have at least 10 other corp mates willing to go hunting with me at any given time.. What do I do? Chat on the EVE-Radio channel? It's not just dangerous, it's impossible. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Anna Heart	Posted - 2003.12.17 05:20:00 - [14] Well I just heard from a friendly corp they lost 4 BSs of 10 fighting NPCs. A double spawn occured (they started with like 18 and the fight was hard enough. Then another full 20+ ship spawn landed withint 5KM and sack 4 of their ships while everyone attempted to scrable to safety, Hard is one thing, but theres hard but possable. 3-4 BS should be able to hold the hardest belts as rarily do you see 5+ BSs hunting NPC together. InfiniCorp, Lunatic at Arms When you think of picking a fight remember this, I've got a big gun, and the insanity to use it.
Soulstinger	Posted - 2003.12.17 08:47:00 - [15] Ok I'd like to rescind some of the venom I put in my earlier post, as I logged back in to find my Armageddon revelling in its cloak, at 15% Structure and full shields. Needless to say I got out of fountain in a hurry. Iv found that with the new 100MN speed gears comes immense energy requirements, so one must manage your MWD.No more simply hurtling out of control for the h*ll of it. But, with NPC rats at planet-spawns no longer respawning atm, im still kinda out of a job.
Blueblooded	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:01:00 - [16] My guess is that a smart pilot would refitt before ignoreing all warnings about toughter NPC pilots and head out for a farming adventure... So my conclution is that the forum thread owner was not suitible for driving a battleship, and maby a few more weeks in a cruiser whould be in order! Better luck in the future, and don't feel sorry - it seems like more pilots are in a similar situation so you are not the only one. ---------------------------------------- "The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Psy Corp on 17/12/2003 09:13:50 Edited by: Psy Corp on 17/12/2003 09:12:36 Quote: Quote: Raven DeBlade the Calderi from Bladerunners said: It is good that its dangerous. What's so good about it? Please explain what's so good about not being able to mine / farm / and especially solo in 0.0 space? What is so good about that? So if I don't have at least 10 other corp mates willing to go hunting with me at any given time.. What do I do? Chat on the EVE-Radio channel? It's not just dangerous, it's impossible. it makes it hard for the big corps and not to easy.. your not supposed to farm and mine alone in 0.0.. dont realy care what you do if you dont have the corp mates on be in empire then and do something I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
eagletalon	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:17:00 - [18] well I must reply to all those who are moaning etc . before I went out I refitted my cruiser with guns etc checked all the setting for the MWD yes I did change it then went round the belts I usally mine to see what pirates popped up and yes they were stronger , but not too much . as for 0/0 space I always thought that was a joint effort ships flying escort for the indy etc .
Lockheed	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Lockheed on 17/12/2003 09:36:18 Quote: Just think of all the people who spent millions of i$k on LiFs, YS-8 and other good ABs (MWDs too) and now they're worth jack squat... The travel nerf was particularly hard, 250 energy to activate the 100mn ABs, ouch! you know i had tons of mwd's and ab's. NOW I HAVE TO GO BACK AND BUY NEW JUST CAUSE CCP THINKS I SHOULD. Its totally DUMB that the speed was nerfed at such great capacitor kill. HEH fly your dang bestower and see just how fast you can get. I have not tried the bookmarks yet cause i was so mad to see my scorpion do a wopping 144 that i logged imediately after searching my REGION for 100mn mwd to my suprise there were none for sale. ERRR how am i supposed to get back into 0.0? Take me 2 days to get back there? ITs gonna take a 2 day plan to fly a bestower down to civ space to trade. PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SPEAK YOUR MIND TO CCP, IF NOT THE GAME WILL REMAIN THIS WAY. Bestowers were slow enough anyways with 4 abs they still could not get enough speed. You call this more realistic? Um its a game, in the future. I would expect a frigate with (example)40 capacitor to have a speed of 200, and a bs with 400 capacitor to have a speed of 2k. Since you have bigger engines, more overall cap, and bigger rechargers. Turning slower makes more sense but not the speed nerf. As in star trek or any other movie.. you have bigger engines, and larger turning power to compensate for ship size. Your treating bs's still like they are using smaller engines at more of a detriment than they should be. How many frigates have you seen in movies that can outrun bs's in any movie? In space weightlessness means everything weighs the same. a human can push a battleship just like a frigate. Gravity would be a factor if the ship was large enough, which I dont think would be a probelm since the bs's are not the size of moons. Battleships also were much faster than any frigate or cruiser in warp. P. 0. ed and not liking this aspect of the game changed.... excuse me for griping but I worked very hard to get a bs now to be told my ship is no better than a few cruisers and frigs is not acceptable. Heh, send up the same amount of frigates and cruisers it takes to kill a bs here, and see if they could kill the uss enterprise or any other show that has a battleship class monster. Maybe this is gonna clear the path for tech2 and tech3 to make bs's stronger and better vrs a small fleet of frigs and cruisers.. I dont know, but atm. The nerf bat ccp is swinging don't make sense. ________________ On a pale horse.
Keenon	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:32:00 - [20] i got nothing agains npc and all that my main prob is the MWD'S nerf i play a game so i can have FUNNNN if i need bull** and heads ill just log and go bad to RF if a game becomes more like RL THEN its not fun anymore if some some plp like the game to be like RL-it mean that u dont have a RL- otherwise u wouldnt want to go back to it. oh and if i quit u can all kiss my a$$ cause im giving u nothing good day =============================================== Help keep carebear population under control!!!! POD U LATER**
Rickenbacker	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:44:00 - [21] I don't have a BS yet, but the new "frigate size" MWD is great! Still gives me almost the same speed as before (550% compared to 700%), accelerates a little slower and uses a HELL of a lot less capacitor. Not to mention that it now needs half the powergrid so I can fit it to pretty much all my frigs (yes, all 24 :)). I might be ****ed off if I ever get a BS, but the low level game sure was improved.
Fausto	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:59:00 - [22] I just read this: 'Cator NPCs Are considerably more powerful than Gemini NPCs. They are both more clever and have T2 at their disposal. Be very careful in lower security systems. Use the 50 km warp-in option to case before you attack. Also note that Microwarp Drives and Afterburners now take mass into account so you need frigate, cruiser and battle ship variants.' Cookie anyone? ______ <brainpodder>
Loud Bob	Posted - 2003.12.17 09:59:00 - [23] Hey Lockheed!!! Ever heard of a little thing called INERTIA!!!! Just because Something in space is weightless, it still has the same mass. Also: Acceleration = Force/Mass Therefore, to get the same acceleration boost to a bs than a frigate would take a proportionally bigger AB/MWD (mass wise).
Keenon	Posted - 2003.12.17 10:27:00 - [24] Edited by: Keenon on 17/12/2003 10:32:03 Quote: Hey Lockheed!!! Ever heard of a little thing called INERTIA!!!! Just because Something in space is weightless, it still has the same mass. Also: Acceleration = Force/Mass Therefore, to get the same acceleration boost to a bs than a frigate would take a proportionally bigger AB/MWD (mass wise). cute but it seems u have no idea of physics INERTIA in space-means that if i boost my speed to lest say 1000km then i will travel at the speed without using anymore power or engines until i hit something or i use my reverse to slow down so yes if i have more mass i will need more power to move that mass but once i move i dont need any power so pls if use quantum physics stick to the whole thing not half have a nice day =============================================== Help keep carebear population under control!!!! POD U LATER
CrazEE CarL	Posted - 2003.12.17 10:51:00 - [25] Although I'm happy my Mammoth got a new slot, and almost double it's defualt capacity, I was highly disturbed to see that I can now only fit 2 10 MN Ab's on it due to powergrid. Sure I could put to 10% Reactor contol 1's in it and I would get a whopping 18 more grid on top of my 92. Yippie! I could now fit 3 10 mn ab's on it (barely) so much for setting up SOME ECCM mods or even a launcher for worse case scenario. Forget about MWD on indy. I've never even tried to kit one like that, and nver intended to, I've never seen a barge on a river clipping along like a speedboat, so why should I expect a indy to? All I'm saying is that throw the haulers a bone, at least a bit....christ. I'm not a full time hauler, I only haul when I need to. I can't imagine how pssd the 24/7 haulers are. The idea in generaly is Ok, and makes logical sense (more mass needs more inertia) but if we are really REALLY wanting to get technical about this whole speed ordeal, it would take an equally proportionate time and energy to slow down (AB or MWD) becasue as any 5th grade science teacher can tell you Newton's first law (Objects in motion tend to stay in motion, objects at rest tend to stay at rest.) Well, on a planets surface, or in it's atmosphere, you have the actuall atmosphere and air density to slow you down. In the vacuum of space there is nothing to slow you down (friction). So why the hell do we stop so fast when we turn off our speed mods? Technically, it should take the same amount of power to slow down as it does to speed up. And now for my next trick.... NPC rats. Blah, even with kitting out for new items (AB's, MWD's) I nearly got pwned in a .3 by 12 30K rats. This same ship used to be able to farm for hours on end with a shield booster and 6 guns blazing away. Forget about picking up ore in belts with an indy. Forget about making money for yourself instead of for the corp and with the corp. Now we need to plan a simple excursion into a .3 (for fux sake) including support craft, miners with more guns than miners and a twitchy indy pilot who has to bolt the first little + he sees. Used to be that a couple peeps with moderate to light protection could mine away in a .3 without puckering their ass one bit. No way to make money now, can't mine solo, blah, can't farm solo, blah, CAN'T EVEN BELT HUNT SOLO!, so I guess we'll all just trade the new items, and run agent missions for paltry isk. I knew Castor would slow the game down a bit, but christ, 2 snail's living on opposite coasts could crawl towards each other and have 100 baby snails before anyone of us can even make it across a few regions. Why should we have to suffer the wrath of the mighty nerf-bat? We pay them to give us what we want. I'm pretty sure this isn't what anyone wanted. The rest of the patch sounds exciting, but there are many things that must be hammered out before too long. I'm not thretening to quit, why would a thow a fit on the boards and then just quit...silly....I'm trying to get everyone to realize that we pay for this game, if it wasn't for the playerbase, CCP would be coding (insert cheeky childrens character)'s next great adventure. That's just my 2 ISK! -CC- -CC- "My path is my own; I'll share it with others but I force it on no one. If this is a threat to you, it can only be becasue you want power over me that I will no longer give. I will fight for myself and for others like me, and I will do so with a vehemence that you cannot imagine."
Moph	Posted - 2003.12.17 10:51:00 - [26] You were careless and stupid. The only one to blame, is you. I'm sorry for your loss, though. However you've learned your lesson now.
mr cheech	Posted - 2003.12.17 10:56:00 - [27] THE PATCH IS ** AND THE GAME IS NOW sorry but thats the way i feel all the hard work i have done over the last couple of months and its like u have to start all over again **E
Blueblooded	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:05:00 - [28] Quote: Hey Lockheed!!! Ever heard of a little thing called INERTIA!!!! Just because Something in space is weightless, it still has the same mass. Also: Acceleration = Force/Mass Therefore, to get the same acceleration boost to a bs than a frigate would take a proportionally bigger AB/MWD (mass wise). Quote: INERTIA in space-means that if i boost my speed to lest say 1000km then i will travel at the speed without using anymore power or engines until i hit something or i use my reverse to slow down I won't get in to the discussion about logic in the game physics but i LOVE the way you smashed that first guys argumet with equal reference to the RL =) ---------------------------------------- "The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
FileCop AI	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:10:00 - [29] Well, I must say I LOVE new pirates, but this is just a bit too much. Ok, 3 battleships are enough to take out a spawn, but still - what about all those going solo. And even people in major corps do stuff on their own now and then. This is an example of a spawn we killed: 1 500k pirate (BS), 4 65k pirates, 2 85k pirates, 10 12.5k pirates. That's 1 bs, 6 cruisers and 10 frigates!! That's just too much. Besides - roids respawned but they are CRAP. Systems with bistot before now hold nothing better than gneiss. You'll have to travel to regions far from stations to get bistot and mexorcite. FileCop AI of MASS Co-CEO
Caya	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:15:00 - [30] I say... FINALY some CHALLENGE! And to all who lost their BS... way to go. Maybe times when best of the best will fly BShip is comming. Cause u had good chance to try those new NPCs and u were warned!

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