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Shaade Silentpaw
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.17 22:18:16 -
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So, i've just returned after a 3 year break from EVE. I've found many welcome changes which have re-sparked my interest in the game, just enough to start playing again.
However, it saddens me greatly to find the whole character customization thing is pretty much just as bare-bones as I left it. Characters, both male and female are still stuck with a small selection of unimaginative, super-conservative and utterly boring clothing options - many of which can barely even be told apart. The hairstyles are the same, and the accessories too. I mean, male characters still have the same, singular long-hairstyle as when I left! And as far as I know, station-walking with other people is still non-existent.
So...what happened?
I came across this old faction/character artwork while randomly browsing:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/The_four_playablz_EVE_races_as_seen_during_character_creation.png
Where are THOSE outfits, and THOSE hairstyles? They look waaaay more interesting than what we have now.
I fully realise and agree that it's hardly the most important issue, but come on...where's the love? Surely CCP have enough time and money by now to put some effort into this particular subject, at least on the side?
......please? ._. |

Hawke Frost
103
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Posted - 2016.05.17 22:40:42 -
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This link will actually work.
The new characters we got weren't really for us, EVE had become a test bed for World of Darkness to a point where they literally stop caring for the game. On top of that it's as with every "graphics update" we got: higher fidelity but ****** looks and aesthetics, probably due to a lack of caring and dev quality. |

Shaade Silentpaw
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.05.17 22:46:52 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:This link will actually work.The new characters we got weren't really for us, EVE had become a test bed for World of Darkness to a point where they literally stop caring for the game. On top of that it's as with every "graphics update" we got: higher fidelity but ****** looks and aesthetics, probably due to a lack of caring and dev quality.
Just noticed the link and fixed it x.x Thanks though.
Can't say i've ever heard of 'World of Darkness', is it another game CCP were/are working on? |

Hawke Frost
105
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Posted - 2016.05.17 23:05:05 -
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Here.
A long string of ****** decisions by devs and management who stopped caring. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44714
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Posted - 2016.05.17 23:10:03 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Here.A long string of ****** decisions by devs and management who stopped caring. Not enough psssssssshhhhhhh
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Kolodi Ramal
Gradient
7
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Posted - 2016.05.17 23:28:35 -
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I really wish they'd at least add more hair styles to the cash shop. Come on, CCP, that's low-hanging fruit and it's win/win. |

Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
39
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Posted - 2016.05.17 23:47:08 -
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We recently recieved the hipster glasses, arent you satisfied? |

Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
39
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Posted - 2016.05.17 23:48:58 -
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Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist. |

Shaade Silentpaw
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.05.18 00:05:19 -
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Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist.
Yeah, as if even 10% of people aged like 15 or under have the attention span let alone maturity to play a game like EVE to begin with...-_-
They can't really pull the sexist excuse either, since they had this artwork in the game already anyway. There are half-naked sprites of 'Exotic Dancers' and such still in the game, too. |

Yarosara Ruil
306
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Posted - 2016.05.18 00:06:00 -
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One thing that happened to the art direction in EVE was that, at some point betweent 2006 and 2009, this game stopped being a Space Punk MMO and became a Science Fiction MMO.
Characters in the original character creator were given an emphasis on their lack of humanity and otherworldliness, and a lot of tropes from the 90's plauged the game's backstory to make a point on how much grimdark New Eden is. Even ships had this rusthic feel to drive home the point that most of New Edens technology was salvaged from the precussor humanity that first colonized New Eden.
What we have today in terms of asthetics is but a pastiche of the orginal design EVE had. It has evolved, refined itself. Our characters look and feel human and there are few signs that reveal the kind of aberation a capsuleer is, despite every text and game content that survived from the original game (like missions) telling you otherwise.
I for one don't mind EVE as it now, as it is a lot more positive and optimistic than the 2003 version ever was. |

Krieg Austern
5
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Posted - 2016.05.18 00:25:17 -
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Clothing and augmentations really need some high res textures. Surely it can't be that hard to update those assets, they look absolutely terrible. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7691
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Posted - 2016.05.18 01:04:18 -
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Shaade Silentpaw wrote:Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist. Yeah, as if even 10% of people aged like 15 or under have the attention span let alone maturity to play a game like EVE to begin with...-_- They can't really pull the sexist excuse either, since they had this artwork in the game already anyway. There are half-naked sprites of 'Exotic Dancers' and such still in the game, too.
There is an 11 y/o player currently giving one of the biggest highsec ganking organizations (CODE. - which they say "always wins") a hard time.
Some kids can amaze you.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2016.05.18 02:11:55 -
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Did anyone make a movie of the old character creator tool at work? |

Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
836
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Posted - 2016.05.18 03:22:19 -
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If you have a boring looking character then you only have yourself to blame. I get that not everybody can be quite as beautiful as i am, but still, it's a neat-o little character customisation tool that many made good use of.
If that were true it would be a first and it would say a lot about the other Anti-gankers who have all failed to do so. |

Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
10725
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Posted - 2016.05.18 06:21:22 -
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Shaade Silentpaw wrote:So, i've just returned after a 3 year break from EVE. I've found many welcome changes which have re-sparked my interest in the game, just enough to start playing again. However, it saddens me greatly to find the whole character customization thing is pretty much just as bare-bones as I left it. Characters, both male and female are still stuck with a small selection of unimaginative, super-conservative and utterly boring clothing options - many of which can barely even be told apart. The hairstyles are the same, and the accessories too. I mean, male characters still have the same, singular long-hairstyle as when I left! And as far as I know, station-walking with other people is still non-existent. So...what happened? I came across this old faction/character artwork while randomly browsing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/The_four_playable_EVE_races_as_seen_during_character_creation.png
(link was broken, fixed now x.x) Where are THOSE outfits, and THOSE hairstyles? They look waaaay more interesting than what we have now. I fully realise and agree that it's hardly the most important issue, but come on...where's the love? Surely CCP have enough time and money by now to put some effort into this particular subject, at least on the side? ......please? ._.
I think you will like it.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5229
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Posted - 2016.05.18 06:54:00 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:I really wish they'd at least add more hair styles to the cash shop. Come on, CCP, that's low-hanging fruit and it's win/win.
Hairstyles are the most work-intensive part of avatars. Probably CCP can release 50 clothing items for the time/effort required to make a single hairstyle... assuming there's still someone in the company who didn't need to learn how to make hairstyles to actually make them. |

Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
10735
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Posted - 2016.05.18 08:10:41 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:I really wish they'd at least add more hair styles to the cash shop. Come on, CCP, that's low-hanging fruit and it's win/win. Hairstyles are the most work-intensive part of avatars. Probably CCP can release 50 clothing items for the time/effort required to make a single hairstyle... assuming there's still someone in the company who didn't need to learn how to make hairstyles to actually make them. I dont think all hairsyles are so work-intensive. Only those animated and really, really, complex.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
208
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Posted - 2016.05.18 10:24:38 -
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I'm a Dark Templar Illuminati Heathen Fire Ghost Lord kinda guy.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Krieg Austern
7
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Posted - 2016.05.18 10:40:15 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:I really wish they'd at least add more hair styles to the cash shop. Come on, CCP, that's low-hanging fruit and it's win/win. Hairstyles are the most work-intensive part of avatars. Probably CCP can release 50 clothing items for the time/effort required to make a single hairstyle... assuming there's still someone in the company who didn't need to learn how to make hairstyles to actually make them.
I don't actually think it's taht difficult. The hair falling would be generated in-engine through the physics, so unless they don't actually have any physics and make the animations in code, it wouldn't be that hard.
Of course, there are bigger issues & features to work on, but I think letting the graphics department go crazy for 2-3 days and give us better textures and colour choices. |

Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1033
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Posted - 2016.05.18 10:55:45 -
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Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:01:12 -
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Shaade Silentpaw wrote:Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist. Yeah, as if even 10% of people aged like 15 or under have the attention span let alone maturity to play a game like EVE to begin with...-_- They can't really pull the sexist excuse either, since they had this artwork in the game already anyway. There are half-naked sprites of 'Exotic Dancers' and such still in the game, too. I was 16 when I started playing eve a few years ago, must be the magic number of maturity. |

Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
10757
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:14:57 -
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So hisrute.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Lasisha Mishi
Imperial Guardians I N G L O R I O U S
30
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:29:45 -
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Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist. someone say half naked o.o
i could use a skimpier outfit. anything to **** off my old empire >=D (showing any skin in Amarr Empire = heresy. so....cute midriff = execution)
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Magnus Rexana
Halas Hooligans
15
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:33:26 -
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"Dude, my daughter would love these!"
Then I see the price. 
I'm adding that URL to my routers block list. |

Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
145
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:59:50 -
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Tease.

--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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March rabbit
Mosquito squadron
1766
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Posted - 2016.05.18 17:25:40 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Shaade Silentpaw wrote:Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist. Yeah, as if even 10% of people aged like 15 or under have the attention span let alone maturity to play a game like EVE to begin with...-_- They can't really pull the sexist excuse either, since they had this artwork in the game already anyway. There are half-naked sprites of 'Exotic Dancers' and such still in the game, too. There is an 11 y/o player currently giving one of the biggest highsec ganking organizations (CODE. - which they say "always wins") a hard time. Some kids can amaze you. If you talk about 'Dad and son' then this 11yo does not do all by himself. I think it's more like in RL: dad leads son follows.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.05.18 23:07:40 -
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March rabbit wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Shaade Silentpaw wrote:Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:Also, its ultra conservative so they can keep the pegi rating low (despite eve is clearly an adult game) and there would be alot of half naked female characters around, which the icelandic people find sexist. Yeah, as if even 10% of people aged like 15 or under have the attention span let alone maturity to play a game like EVE to begin with...-_- They can't really pull the sexist excuse either, since they had this artwork in the game already anyway. There are half-naked sprites of 'Exotic Dancers' and such still in the game, too. There is an 11 y/o player currently giving one of the biggest highsec ganking organizations (CODE. - which they say "always wins") a hard time. Some kids can amaze you. If you talk about 'Dad and son' then this 11yo does not do all by himself. I think it's more like in RL: dad leads son follows. That's usually how it works.
Usually. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
5234
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Posted - 2016.05.19 06:45:00 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:I really wish they'd at least add more hair styles to the cash shop. Come on, CCP, that's low-hanging fruit and it's win/win. Hairstyles are the most work-intensive part of avatars. Probably CCP can release 50 clothing items for the time/effort required to make a single hairstyle... assuming there's still someone in the company who didn't need to learn how to make hairstyles to actually make them. I dont think all hairsyles are so work-intensive. Only those animated and really, really, complex.
Oh they are. Each hairstyle consists of some 2,000 to 3,000 individual hairs, which have to be placed and animated one by one. Of course this is not how things work in industry, but it's CCP what we talk here. It's their engine and it works like this: 3,000 hairs animated one by one so it takes quite a while until they all behave naturally and don't interact too badly.
This is also why they didn't intended to add hats as each hat would require a specific hairstyle+hat for each original hairstyle, so they'd duplicate all hairstyles with each hat. Again this is not how things are done in industry but... -í-íCCP-í-í
(The obsession with handcrafting things is an old tradition in EVE; FAI they never had a mission builder tool and thus missions were built by hand typing values in a table(!), and even now probably the mission building tools developed in recent years are nothing like what industry uses). |

Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
10788
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Posted - 2016.05.19 11:50:48 -
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But the hair in EVE looks like this this. There is video from 2011 fanfest where they were talking about hair and character creator in general.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Shaade Silentpaw
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2016.05.19 20:30:45 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:But the hair in EVE looks like this this. There is video from 2011 fanfest where they were talking about hair and character creator in general. About APEX.
Yep, that's pretty much how everyone does it for games. It'll get more or less more complex depending on the game, but nowhere near "2-3000 individually animated strands of hair".
The only time you see hair of that complexity is in pre-rendered sequences such as cutscenes and movies, and even then the hairs aren't individually animated in the way that character models and such are. They work via a physics system, which automatically animates them in similar fashion to real hair based on the movement of what they are attached to.
Alas, I suspect that post from Indahmawar Fazmarai was a troll anyway though~ xP |
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