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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.26 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg so where was this money going before capital ships?
outfitting fleets, buying blueprint stocks, buying more tech 2 blueprints, etc.
you forgot to mention alcohol, drugs and s**, sir!
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Seana Elria
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.26 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Blitz'Krieg
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Complexes generate a lot of isk. Officer and faction spawns can launch individual members into the world of the wealthy quite easily. Moon mining/reactions are a great way of making money.
my point was that moon mining, complexes and faction spawns have always bin around, but previous to this people wern't rolling in ISK. What has changed?
...Umm, no. I remember when neither moon mining, complexes, faction spawns, or even T2 existed (ah the joys of when the Tech 2 Miner was introduced). But the same held true as partially now again: BPO production in part. Back then, it was Tier 1 and 2 battleships (and oddly Thoraxes at one point) that was providing alot of wealth. Now its split between T2 production and complex runs, the latter of which makes gaining wealth a heck of alot quicker than back in the day.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:35:00 -
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Well, I set out on a ratting expedition one night in, jump into the first belt, and notice an officer wreck just sitting there. Naturally I check it, and find its not been touched. A good 100 mil worth of mods sitting there untouched. I proceed to the next belt, and to my surprise, find the same thing. Another officer wreck scooped, this one holding an implant that eventually sold for 290 million.
So that's nearly 400 million in about 5 minutes, cleared another 100 million that night off bounties and loot. Sure, it's a rare occurance to find two officer wrecks that haven't been looted, but if I hadn't grabbed them, someone would have.
The point is that the ISK is definitely out there, and as long as there are high-demand items, you can make a fortune. There for a while, Local Hull Expanded cargos were selling for over 30 mil a pop, and were dropping all over the place from Serpentis cruiser wrecks. Now they are really cheap due to the changes in Revelations. It's all about finding the cash cow and milking it as long as you can.
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Hamatitio
Caldari Fate.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:04:00 -
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hm
I've put in nearly 50 hours of npcing hte last 6 days w/o any named spawns whatsoever.
You sir, are lucky.
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James Britanicus
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav Well, I set out on a ratting expedition one night in, jump into the first belt, and notice an officer wreck just sitting there. Naturally I check it, and find its not been touched. A good 100 mil worth of mods sitting there untouched. I proceed to the next belt, and to my surprise, find the same thing. Another officer wreck scooped, this one holding an implant that eventually sold for 290 million.
So that's nearly 400 million in about 5 minutes, cleared another 100 million that night off bounties and loot. Sure, it's a rare occurance to find two officer wrecks that haven't been looted, but if I hadn't grabbed them, someone would have.
The point is that the ISK is definitely out there, and as long as there are high-demand items, you can make a fortune. There for a while, Local Hull Expanded cargos were selling for over 30 mil a pop, and were dropping all over the place from Serpentis cruiser wrecks. Now they are really cheap due to the changes in Revelations. It's all about finding the cash cow and milking it as long as you can.
If even half this is true then it reaffirms my belief that someone has developed a ratter macro.
I was up north pvping a few weeks ago and found untouched wrecks in nearly every belt. No I know some people plan to come back and gather loot and salvage with specialized ships but usually they check the cans first to make sure that they scoop any decent mod. Anyway I found 4 arby sieges and a variety of other named loot. I lay in waiting arounf a triple 1.8misk spawn wreck anticipting the return of the pilot and he never came back, not even into local to see me. He stayed away for more then 90 minutes. I got bored and left.
CCP perhaps you need to look at ratter marco's as well?????
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hedeon Mishenka Read one of the latest dev blogs. Unlimited run T2 BPO's are going to become a thing of the past very soon.
If you read it again, you will notice that existing t2 BPOs will not be changed, so new players will have no real chance of acquiring them, while the existing owners can continue to rake in the cash (although the value of some of the most high-value ones will drop a bit due to invention).
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 26/02/2007 10:03:07
Originally by: Nahual
Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 25/02/2007 19:45:37
Originally by: Ast3r0iD next we'll be hearing bob killed Kennedy. open the curtains fella theres a whole world out there.
If this has anything to do with bob or not is a bit of tinfoil-hattery. But the point remains that the North had pretty much nothing in the way of particularly worthwhile complexes until Revelations.
Yeah completely right, coz those 8/10s that you guys never bothered to do, never dropped RS BPCs that sold for 2 bil a couple months back, and that never happened fairly often 
Nothern complexs were great, its your fault you didn't use them.
I used to do the 8/10 with an Eos or Ishtar up ahead to tank. Thought it was quite decent. Until I tried the 6/10s in Delve that take 1/3rd the time, give reliably better rewards and can be done with dirt cheap ships.
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quiet beauty
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Posted - 2007.02.26 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 26/02/2007 10:03:07
Originally by: Nahual
Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 25/02/2007 19:45:37
Originally by: Ast3r0iD next we'll be hearing bob killed Kennedy. open the curtains fella theres a whole world out there.
If this has anything to do with bob or not is a bit of tinfoil-hattery. But the point remains that the North had pretty much nothing in the way of particularly worthwhile complexes until Revelations.
Yeah completely right, coz those 8/10s that you guys never bothered to do, never dropped RS BPCs that sold for 2 bil a couple months back, and that never happened fairly often 
Nothern complexs were great, its your fault you didn't use them.
I used to do the 8/10 with an Eos or Ishtar up ahead to tank. Thought it was quite decent. Until I tried the 6/10s in Delve that take 1/3rd the time, give reliably better rewards and can be done with dirt cheap ships.
FYI: 8/10 in venal were doable with solo ishtar for more than a year. It took perhaps 20min to kill dewak and run.
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Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.26 10:21:00 -
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It's simple to make isk in EVE, all it requires is a little foresight and some dedication.
Having more than one account is a massive bonus but the thing is to set your self targets.
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Centurin
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hedeon Mishenka Read one of the latest dev blogs. NEW Unlimited run T2 BPO's are going to become a thing of the past very soon.
Bold for emphasis ----------------------------------------------- "It's great playing Caldari Online, isn't it?" by Xori Ruscuv
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:44:00 -
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Please guys. Even a 5 player dedicated grup can rat for a carrier in one week. If an allaicne own a complex.. then just having about 30 people that run it all their free time is enough to found lots of capital ships per week.
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Gamesguy
Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio hm
I've put in nearly 50 hours of npcing hte last 6 days w/o any named spawns whatsoever.
You sir, are lucky.
Its cause Deklein doesnt like you.
Seriously though, I've had way more commander spawns in PB than dek/fade when I was still ratting a few months back. Kinda strange.
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:59:00 -
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Sorry to put it bluntly guys but your kinda missing the point of what i was trying to say. If it is this easy to raise this amount of ISK, what the hell was happening to it before titans, dreads and carriers?
I sure as hell dont remember seeing fleets of faction bs's in anywere other than farjung videos.
Given that a titan is the ebay equivelant of a new car and they are getting popped out damn fast i really only have one question left ...
To the leaders of BoB and D2 ... what you drive? 
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Sorry to put it bluntly guys but your kinda missing the point of what i was trying to say. If it is this easy to raise this amount of ISK, what the hell was happening to it before titans, dreads and carriers?
People were building outposts.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 26/02/2007 10:03:07
Originally by: Nahual
Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 25/02/2007 19:45:37
Originally by: Ast3r0iD next we'll be hearing bob killed Kennedy. open the curtains fella theres a whole world out there.
If this has anything to do with bob or not is a bit of tinfoil-hattery. But the point remains that the North had pretty much nothing in the way of particularly worthwhile complexes until Revelations.
Yeah completely right, coz those 8/10s that you guys never bothered to do, never dropped RS BPCs that sold for 2 bil a couple months back, and that never happened fairly often 
Nothern complexs were great, its your fault you didn't use them.
I used to do the 8/10 with an Eos or Ishtar up ahead to tank. Thought it was quite decent. Until I tried the 6/10s in Delve that take 1/3rd the time, give reliably better rewards and can be done with dirt cheap ships.
Can anyone confirm this? -
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Uggs386
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:26:00 -
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A lot has changed sicne when t2 was first introduced to the game. Mainly is that when it first came out no one could use it, and for a long time it was very rare to see people flying with all the t2 goodies and t2 ships. So of course there wasnt demand for the t2 stuff, but then as time went on people got the skills, so demand increases, they introduce complexes and faction and officer stuff, making more isk avaible in the market. So prices go up drastically. The isk hasnt always been there. People wont o out and make isk unlessthy neeed it and have a goal. Once they had a reason to get the isk, then they went out and npced and ran complexes adding more and more isk into the market, creating inflation and increasing prices. So yes everyone whining aboout high prices of t2 and other stff, dont blame the producers blame the npcers as they are the ones generating the isk causing inflation. And blame insurance payouts. Removed, inappropriate signature image - zhuge
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Silvitni
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Silvitni on 26/02/2007 20:28:47 Edited by: Silvitni on 26/02/2007 20:28:04
Originally by: Uggs386 A lot has changed sicne when t2 was first introduced to the game. Mainly is that when it first came out no one could use it, and for a long time it was very rare to see people flying with all the t2 goodies and t2 ships. So of course there wasnt demand for the t2 stuff, but then as time went on people got the skills, so demand increases, they introduce complexes and faction and officer stuff, making more isk avaible in the market. So prices go up drastically. The isk hasnt always been there. People wont o out and make isk unlessthy neeed it and have a goal. Once they had a reason to get the isk, then they went out and npced and ran complexes adding more and more isk into the market, creating inflation and increasing prices. So yes everyone whining aboout high prices of t2 and other stff, dont blame the producers blame the npcers as they are the ones generating the isk causing inflation. And blame insurance payouts.

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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386 A lot has changed sicne when t2 was first introduced to the game. Mainly is that when it first came out no one could use it, and for a long time it was very rare to see people flying with all the t2 goodies and t2 ships. So of course there wasnt demand for the t2 stuff, but then as time went on people got the skills, so demand increases, they introduce complexes and faction and officer stuff, making more isk avaible in the market. So prices go up drastically. The isk hasnt always been there. People wont o out and make isk unlessthy neeed it and have a goal. Once they had a reason to get the isk, then they went out and npced and ran complexes adding more and more isk into the market, creating inflation and increasing prices. So yes everyone whining aboout high prices of t2 and other stff, dont blame the producers blame the npcers as they are the ones generating the isk causing inflation. And blame insurance payouts.
You my friend need a course on supply and demand.
1. No demand (lack of skills) price is pretty cheap 2. Supply (T2 items take more time to make) lack of supply 3. Supply (T2 items need T2 BPO not many in game) lack of supply 4. Demand goes up (people get the needed skills) 5. Demand up and supply goes down = High Prices.
NPC hunters had nothing to do with T2 prices.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain . Moon mining/reactions are a great way of making money.
lol. i must be doing something wrong cause every time i produce/mine something the market colapses in a few weeks. im done with pos production. ermm wts ferrofluid/hexite/sylramic fibres etc. I'll go get my gear and isk old fashion way. pew pew
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Traxex
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Traxex Officer spawns, 10/10 complexes, gas clouds, events. *snip* Please do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
There are no 10/10 complexes in the north. There are no gas clouds. Events rarely happen. I've never seen an officer spawn in the north, and almost have never heard of one. All of these things have appeared in BOB space, it's not a troll it's a fact.
Name one 10/10 complex in the north? You can't go 2 jumps without a plex in the south.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.27 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Traxex
Originally by: Traxex Officer spawns, 10/10 complexes, gas clouds, events. *snip* Please do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
There are no 10/10 complexes in the north. There are no gas clouds. Events rarely happen. I've never seen an officer spawn in the north, and almost have never heard of one. All of these things have appeared in BOB space, it's not a troll it's a fact.
Name one 10/10 complex in the north? You can't go 2 jumps without a plex in the south.
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I've counted 5, maybe there are more.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 26/02/2007 10:03:07
Originally by: Nahual
Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 25/02/2007 19:45:37
Originally by: Ast3r0iD *snip*
If this has anything to do with bob or not is a bit of tinfoil-hattery. But the point remains that the North had pretty much nothing in the way of particularly worthwhile complexes until Revelations.
Yeah completely right, coz those 8/10s that you guys never bothered to do, never dropped RS BPCs that sold for 2 bil a couple months back, and that never happened fairly often 
Nothern complexs were great, its your fault you didn't use them.
I used to do the 8/10 with an Eos or Ishtar up ahead to tank. Thought it was quite decent. Until I tried the 6/10s in Delve that take 1/3rd the time, give reliably better rewards and can be done with dirt cheap ships.
Can anyone confirm this?
It's no huge secret that the Guristas 8/10 is a bit mediocre. It's quite decent, if you don't have any better plexes around, but nothing compared to the many high-level complexes in the southern regions. To the dear person mentioning the Rattlesnake BPCs. Did it ever occur to you that they were that expensive because BS BPCs only drop regularly from 10/10 complexes and there were no Guristas 10/10s?
The 8/10 was also quite good for a while after it came out (which is maybe where some people got the idea it's that great), but got nerfed fairly quickly.
Admittedly though, the balance was fixed a bit in Revelations, which spawned a few decent Guristas 10/10s.
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 25/02/2007 19:45:37
Originally by: Ast3r0iD *snip*
If this has anything to do with bob or not is a bit of tinfoil-hattery. But the point remains that the North had pretty much nothing in the way of particularly worthwhile complexes until Revelations.

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Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.27 11:01:00 -
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i really cant understand why people are so.. hmm, well like those empire mission whoring isk collectors. complexes are damn boring and thats the reason not to do them, at least not regularly (together with some mates every few month might be funny though). its completely stupid to do things which are in no way associated with "fun" in a game. pew pew is for sure more fun.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Schneiderr ...complexes are damn boring and thats the reason not to do them, at least not regularly ...
IMHO it is the most non-boring way of making isk, but it's my opinion, you can disagree with that. Mining is much much more boring, ratting same. -
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Nez Sewers
Black Toilet.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 26/02/2007 10:03:07
Originally by: Nahual
Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 25/02/2007 19:45:37
Originally by: Ast3r0iD *snip*
If this has anything to do with bob or not is a bit of tinfoil-hattery. But the point remains that the North had pretty much nothing in the way of particularly worthwhile complexes until Revelations.
Yeah completely right, coz those 8/10s that you guys never bothered to do, never dropped RS BPCs that sold for 2 bil a couple months back, and that never happened fairly often 
Nothern complexs were great, its your fault you didn't use them.
I used to do the 8/10 with an Eos or Ishtar up ahead to tank. Thought it was quite decent. Until I tried the 6/10s in Delve that take 1/3rd the time, give reliably better rewards and can be done with dirt cheap ships.
Can anyone confirm this?
It's no huge secret that the Guristas 8/10 is a bit mediocre. It's quite decent, if you don't have any better plexes around, but nothing compared to the many high-level complexes in the southern regions. To the dear person mentioning the Rattlesnake BPCs. Did it ever occur to you that they were that expensive because BS BPCs only drop regularly from 10/10 complexes and there were no Guristas 10/10s?
The 8/10 was also quite good for a while after it came out (which is maybe where some people got the idea it's that great), but got nerfed fairly quickly.
Admittedly though, the balance was fixed a bit in Revelations, which spawned a few decent Guristas 10/10s.
Check with painball. It drops(or used to pre-kali), just rare. --------- Darker(and more stinking) side of ...
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Sewers
Check with painball. It drops(or used to pre-kali), just rare.
Posting in this thread after this poster.... purely for comedy value 
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.27 16:43:00 -
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My (present) corp controlled a 10/10 in what is now I believe again RA space for 6-8 months or something. It was pretty much just our corp. I was a director of the corp. Access was pretty much whenever I wanted to. Guess what? I only did it 4-5 times.
It wasnt the difficulty factor. Imagine I once did all but the last stage on my own in a gank fitted Raven (that was 700 mill btw and it took approx 1 hour) just because everybody else had gone to bed and the RA plex squad logged on so I wanted to stop them from getting it.
The thing is you had to wait there for the respawns and couldnt just leave in the middle of it when a pvp chance arose. So for isk I mainly ratted a 0.0 chokepoint system (on a 0.0 corridor not empire entrance) where I d get attacked by the off frig gang to get a mail or three.
My point is that isk making is easy so long as you are comfortable dedicating time to it. I am not. I find it uber boring and most pvpers I know are the same. Its just not fun. An income of 50-200 mil per day is very easy in eve. 500-1bill acheivable also. You just have to play the game for the isk and that is insanity for most of us who have day jobs. If indeed some people play this game as their actual RL job (dont troll I said "if") then its very easy to accumulate isk. Hell, 8 hours of ratting in a good 0.0 system is 160 mill minimum + loot.
So meh... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
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