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Posted - 2007.02.26 14:46:00 -
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Posted - 2007.02.26 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tequilapepper Well I am just amazed on the IAC posts in here. You show the usual class and respect for your enemies, and I am glad you finally decided to stop with smacking and trolling.
Hm, I kind of let you down there with my last post Although I claim special circumstances, as to flounce onto the forums claiming victory when everyone involved is fully aware of whats coming in 5 days lacks a little class. Hell, any class.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vando on 26/02/2007 15:02:11
Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 26/02/2007 14:55:47 Vando, this thread is just a silly attempt at boosting moral while attempting to look relevant.
If I were an ISS member having my leadership posturing over this sort of thing would only make my morale worse.
From the ISS members I've spoken to, morale seems damn fine for a bunch of people that have taken a beating. No thanks to Counts little pep talks I'm sure... Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste |

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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: DALE0404 Just to let you all know, we took the station back without the 'leadership' being logged in or even present on our forums due to RL issues. Others just stepped upto the plate.
Leadership within ISS is inherent.
Exactly my point, the ISS grunts in the field deserve better than silly little threads like this. The actions do you credit, the attempted spin on said actions does not. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste |

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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: DALE0404 Edited by: DALE0404 on 26/02/2007 15:07:16
Originally by: Vando
Originally by: DALE0404 Just to let you all know, we took the station back without the 'leadership' being logged in or even present on our forums due to RL issues. Others just stepped upto the plate.
Leadership within ISS is inherent.
Exactly my point, the ISS grunts in the field deserve better than silly little threads like this. The actions do you credit, the attempted spin on said actions does not.
I think you missed the point, if it wasnt for Real Life Issues the leadership would have been there.
Btw, check the dictionary for the definition of 'Inherent'.
I'm quite aware of what inherent means, what I don't understand is what you're trying to say. What *I* am trying to say is that threads like these are not what I would expect from most ISS members, as they have a grasp upon the reality of the situation. This is a valiant rearguard action for sure, but it is not the counterattack that Count T appears to be trying to spin it as. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste |

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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Assyrian
Originally by: n sx
A good fight, is a good fight - and there's no need to rubbish it.
Which you and your IAC contingent immediately proceeded to do.
 
The fight was a good fight. The spin imparted on that good fight by Count in this thread was not cool, however. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste |

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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Capt Willard
Originally by: Capt Willard If only becoming a decent Corp/Alliance and not a hive of isk-farming alts was a simple as a name change. Don't call yourselves 'The Syndicate', just because you barely own any starbases doesn't meen you can go stealing other peoples name.
How bout 'Interstela Safe-Spot Syndicate' ? Everytime i went hunting thats what you all ran for. Big bwad scarewee Wook gonna shoot you, better all wun.
Was the mothership you lost at their safespot when it died then?
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker Isn't it amazing? ISS and IAC are fighting honorably, respecting eachother, growing in esteem in the community, and then Kaylana and N SX just come and crap all over it. Good work you two, keep it up, you're winners. Maybe when you grow up you can be more like Foo and fight well in order to have something that backs up your smack.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi Cutting off useless propaganda at the pass.
Damn right. This is no turning point, merely a speed bump. Heck, its barely even that. I'd like to appeal to all involved to keep things in perspective and not trump up certain achievements. ISS have been exemplary opposition in the C3 campaign up until this thread. We're not trying to take away from your achievements, just trying to make sure we're all aware of the facts of the situation.
Remember, there are people not so highly involved that will be reading this thread and could very easily take Counts post to mean that ISS have reclaimed Calico on a permanent basis. All we ask is for some acknowledgement that at this time the future of the station remains in the balance, with the current position being to KOS/IACs advantage.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vando on 26/02/2007 17:14:32 Edited by: Vando on 26/02/2007 17:12:53
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos I would appreciate if someone would point out exactly what in the OP is being "spun".
It describes the situation in 100% positive terms for ISS. There is ZERO mention of the fragility of the current hold on the station, and zero reference to the KOS/IAC forces present.
It paints a picture of a simple retake and no further actions to come, which is far from the case.
EDIT: Thank you for the acknowledgement at the end there Camilo.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:20:00 -
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To the people making the comparison to Foo's thread about the initial capture:
That post was very different. X ships were present on each side, ISS fought well, station in the hands of KOS.
Count's post was 'I'm not sure what happened but after being up against it since the original war in Catch now we've hit back and recaptured C3-'.
Now, apart from both posts essentially saying the same thing ('we now hold C3-'), that isn't the important part. Foo's post told it like it was. Count's post told it how he wanted it to be.
I don't care if the post says 'gf, we have C3- back, your move'. What gets to me and I presume the other IAC members posting here is the (admittedly clever) spin on the situation that makes it appear like a potential turning point in the fate of C3-. These first 2 captures, one for each side, are irrelevant. The difference is that one side is attempting to inflate the relevancy of their achievement.
I know I'm mostly replying to the alt brigade here, sorry ISS people :) But I feel it needs to be highlighted for the benefit of the neutral observer who may put too much stock in the sniping from alts.
The future of C3- as yet hangs in the balance, after all who knows what tomorrow may bring?
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Posted - 2007.02.27 14:12:00 -
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I think the point has been discussed enough that everyone will be able to make up their own mind. You're quite entitled to your opinion, as the whole thing is down to personal valuations of this recapture. It is a success, no question. But IAC reserve the right to cast doubts as to the overall effectiveness of this success.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: celous What did count fail on? nothing. They tried to sort it out but as you guys act like teenagers and totally arrogant.
And how exactly would you know this in such detail as to be making statements of fact?
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Posted - 2007.02.27 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: celous Does people not have no RL friends these days?
Ah, so you mean Count told you. Do you not see the flaw where the person accused of being economical with the truth may, just may, not be telling you the full story?
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Posted - 2007.02.27 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos GF's IAC & KOS, here's to many more.
Same to you 
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Posted - 2007.02.27 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker Posted 2/26:
Originally by: Kaylana Syi I also find it pretty funny you are calling us diplomats... really clues you in to how clueless you are about the internals of IAC.
Posted 2/27:
Originally by: Kaylana Syi If you want to maintain a NAP with IAC you will not use NBSI in our space. The moment you do... you will be set to red.
For someone who isn't a diplomat, you continue to make awful "official representative" types of posts on these forums. Did you mean to say that you wern't diplomatic? Because that is 100% true. Or maybe you just say whatever is convenient for you in order to justify the bulls**t spewing from your pie hole. Hrm. 
Alternatively Kay could simply be passing on the official IAC policy which all of our members are aware of.
I do wish people would think a little before jumping to these conclusions, I really do 
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