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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.03 14:49:40 -
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I want something to store capital ships that does not cost as much as a super. 
I think a fuel requiring service module for small citadels that can store a limited amount of capitals would be a valid solution. |
Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.04 20:21:11 -
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Made up?!
A sitter chars for each Dread and FAX? This is so stupid, I doubt you though a second about it. Maybe suggest to share accounts next.
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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.06 05:51:51 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.
Your assumptions are wrong. A sitter wonGÇÖt cut it for practical reasons.
Imagine the switching procedure during an escalating fight. I would not want to extract two accounts from a fight in a critical moment to do a tedious switch from a sitter to a character that can actually fly a cap. No, you need to use a fully trained character as sitter if you plan to use capitals for anything else but killing sleepers. That is a significant difference.
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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.06 15:33:15 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked???
Example
You are dual boxing two guardians on your two accounts in a brutal battle on an incoming K162. Your opponent starts to log in more and more accounts and your FC requests that you bring a FAX so you donGÇÖt get overwhelmed.
In the simple case (docking) you warp the guardian (which is also the FAX toon) to your citadel, maybe wait for aggression timer, dock, grab one of these corp FAXes and warp back to battle. Done.
The same maneuver (get a cap on the field) looks like this if you use a sitter: Now you need to extract both of your guardians from the battle. In any small scale fight, this will get your fleet murdered. Your guardian pilot that can fly the FAX warps to a citadel, drops the guardian and gets to the log-in spot of the cap sitter. The second guardian (the sitter account) also needs to dock in a citadel and log off. You cannot simply log him off in space with timers. You log him off and log in the sitter. Once the sitter has landed on the log-in spot he ejects. The character that can actually fly the FAX takes the seat and onlines the T2 triage module and other stuff the sitter could not use and then warps back to the battle.
As I said before and explained again here a sitter is not a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ and I donGÇÖt think we need to discuss this any further. Agree?
For a lot of the older people getting a fully trained cap pilot as a sitter is no problem but five years ago this would have been a huge problem for my corp. We are not discussing 1st world problems here, Jack. This is about entry barriers and I donGÇÖt think we need them. Caps never been more awesome and we would be hypocrites if we asked for an environment that made it any harder to field them.
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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.07 12:54:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work.
Exactly! It is not possible to do so. This was the whole point of my example. I am so happy we finally understand each other, Jack.
And the correct way to have caps on standby isGǪ
O HTFU and donGÇÖt fly with these poor scrubs you call friends.
O Build a 25 bil ISK garage!
O Arrange fights and plan ahead! Never jump into a fight like a headless chicken.
O Join the WH CFC.
O Sit in your capital with your main and never log in again. Win EvE!
O Join TISU and welp your caps and supers. No capital, no cry.
I donGÇÖt like any of these options. |
Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.21 15:53:22 -
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Jack Miton wrote:If your cap is worth less than your Astrahaus, you're fitting it wrong.
PS: you should really stop building useless caps in low class WHs where they serve no purpose other that providing a shiny KM to whichever lucky corp catches you undocked with it first.
If you can resist the need to double the price of your lossmail for maybe 20% more performance caps never been cheaper for what they do and there is no reason not to use and ultimately lose them. For instance the difference between a FAX and a mach loss flown in LS these days is very slim taking insurance into account.
I been running training corps and such in WH space and I know what low tier groups problems are. These problems are very different from that of bitter vets and their 7 accounts that ran farmholes solo for ages. Newbies struggled to get enough capital pilots to run the old cap escalations as a group and if they been in their farmhole farming there was no PvP in their main WH because all pilots are needed in that farmhole to make this happen. This is of cause not very efficient but something a training group does because your members want to see what GÇ£elite PvEGÇ¥ is like. Also PvP in such groups is lot different: They can not fly every subcap you might want on the field and the initial investment for your members to get somewhat flexible in PvP is huge. Despite all these problems you have and that could so easily be avoided by joining an established group of bitter vets we managed to grow to a size that allowed us to pick a lot of fights. This might not be the way you like to play the game but I find it rewarding to see newbies grow up and become bloodthirsty killers and friends.
This is also the reason I have to be vocal here in the forums against this elite talk I find so toxic. And I will keep fighting for a smooth transition from a newbie to a top tier group. I feel this is what WH needs and not more and more pilots Widoting into the same few corps. Overlord this is like the only newcomer this year, right? And how many have we lost?
Your statement about low class and capitals is BS. Our C4 got invaded by a C6 group that was hoping for an easy eviction some years back. What they didnGÇÖt know is that we had 2 triage carriers in that WH and french friends backing us up. As a result of this we kept our WH. I know of other low class PvP oriented groups that resisted evictions by seemingly stronger groups because they had the capital advantage. Having capitals in your low class WH is a nice way to punch above your weight class. A content enabler everyone should love.
Jack Miton wrote:
How is that remotely different than if your cap is docked???
Think I missed clone swapping and refitting earlier (you might be a bit limited if you could only refit what you can carry with the new cap mods. Not certain if this is relevant though). And did I mention sharing capitals with others which is impossible if you are offline.
Btw. I would love to hear how the right way to switch to a cap mid fight is? It is so easy to attack someone if you donGÇÖt really contribute to the discussion. DonGÇÖt be shy, if I missed something and gone full ****** I will admit this, I promise.
Mephiztopheleze wrote:If you can afford the required capital accounts and assets required to go high class crabbing and solo capital escalations, you can afford a Fortizar.
I'm just a shallow hole scrub with an Astrahus. Even in my lowly C2, if I was so inclined, I could come up with the required ISK for a Fortizar, solo, in a reasonable timeframe, say a couple weeks of pure carebearing.
Do me a favor and put one up. I know what people do in a content rich environments like lowsec for a super kill: We had an entire fleet logged off for 4 hours recently for that and I canGÇÖt wait to see what the content starved WH guys will do to a 17bil garage put up by a low tier group in WH space. (DonGÇÖt be offended by GÇ£low tierGÇ¥ please.) You also might want two of these.
They are farmed during the vulnerability window after anchoring and unless they are super duper force multipliers they will also be when operational. I managed to rally 70+ dudes for way less expected value in killmails. The damage cap seems trivial for such a fleet but what do I know. I have not fought one of these on tranq. yet.
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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.06.26 15:43:56 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote: You do know that overload this is basically the core people from some very old/established bitter vet wh groups.
How does this invalidate anything I said?
Everything I said is true and I am not going to discuss semantics with you. Just compare http://comparison.hrdkx.space/2015/june with http://comparison.hrdkx.space/2016/june. HK data surely donGÇÖt lie.
Although this has been a trend on for years now, I fail to see any reflection of the reality of w-space. The same anachronistic mindset is being memed and aggressively protected for years on these forums with the same ****** results. Only a fool does that.
However whatever motivates your little crusade here got to be beyond that. It is both incompatible with the meme GÇ£capitals are good contentGÇ¥ (whiny kids need content) and reality http://comparison.hrdkx.space/timeline. Any person that can access reasoning would draw the conclusion that making it easier to use capitals is a good thing.
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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2016.07.01 06:23:25 -
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Reichlich Luft zwischen den Ohren wrote:insults
Not sure why he would think that "the reality" excludes the current farming meta nor why this angry kid thinks I deserve such insults.
And Jack just confimed the point I made earlier in this thread about sitters (rofl) and brabbles some nonsense about others beeing too bad.
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