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3004179
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Posted - 2007.03.16 07:23:00 -
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Hahahaha... I'm neither a macro-miner nor a macro-poster. Actually, I'm on the side of Billy Sastard in that I like to play the game myself... that's what I pay the sub' for. Otherwise, I'd have to charge my computer for all its playtime 
I never thought about it before but now reading this, it seems my "strange name" might give people the impression that I'm a macroer.
[WARNING: Entering RP mode] To explain, my name comes from the time when my family was subject to slavery by the Amarr empire. Without going into detail, my "people" were given numbers instead of names. I suppose it was easier to track the slaves that way. The numbers were distributed by sequence. I, myself, was born after my people escaped the bonds of slavery. Many members of our new society chose to create new names for themselves so that their new life would be easier to transition into. I honestly don't remember my birth name, as I changed it, at a very young age, to this "number" that it would have been in the original sequence. I choose not to forget what the Amarr "Empire" did to my people... and I intend they don't either. My name is a symbol. |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:27:00 -
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The "accellerated rate, compared to normal gameplay" in the case of macro mining doesn't come from being able to pull the ore in faster; the mining lasers have the same speed. However, the macro miner usually leaves his macro on 23/7 or for much longer periods than the "average player", and so he does get more ore per day, per week, per month, so he does mine at an accellerated rate.
But like it's been said, it doesn't matter. You asked, it's illegal, we've warned you that if you try it you'll get banned, why this need to know exactly where the rule is spelled out? That's pointless.
It's been spelled out in this thread. How about that.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:19:00 -
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One thing you can do if you REALLY REALLY want to know...
Send in a petition asking for details on macro use. It may take a few weeks (months?) to get a response, but this way you can get a direct answer from a GM.
-=^=-
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Lacihtenu
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:34:00 -
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How can you even tell if someone is macro-mining? Do you mess with them to see if you get a reaction? Do you initiate a chat with them and see if they respond?
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3004179
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Posted - 2007.03.16 17:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Lacihtenu
How can you even tell if someone is macro-mining? Do you mess with them to see if you get a reaction? Do you initiate a chat with them and see if they respond?
Pretty much. Although, I do set my ship to mine, and then turn on the TV and more direct my attention to that. I also don't accept private conversation invites. The easiest way to tell, at least for me, is you can time them on an exact schedule. I've seen people that come in, move a few seconds closer to a rock, mine for some minutes, warp out, and then repeat everything again... on an exact schedule. That's when I know that I've got myself prey for piracy.  Now, I'm really just sick of seeing them. If I wanted computers to play the other ships automatically, I wouldn't have subscribed to an MMO.
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But like it's been said, it doesn't matter. You asked, it's illegal, we've warned you that if you try it you'll get banned, why this need to know exactly where the rule is spelled out? That's pointless.
It's been spelled out in this thread. How about that.
It may be pointless to you but it isn't to me. Even though I said why earlier, I'll put it this way: Spelling it out in this thread won't suffice. The EULA and the TOS are legally binding documents. These forums are not. Look, I know macro-mining has been discussed to death. Maybe I'm just wanting CCP to take more action in at least clearly defining that no, players absolutely can NOT use macros... period. |
3004179
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Posted - 2007.03.16 17:37:00 -
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One thing I did want to mention is that this:
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The "accellerated rate, compared to normal gameplay" in the case of macro mining doesn't come from being able to pull the ore in faster; the mining lasers have the same speed. However, the macro miner usually leaves his macro on 23/7 or for much longer periods than the "average player", and so he does get more ore per day, per week, per month, so he does mine at an accellerated rate.
Is possibly the best argument I've seen on any of the forums. Now I'm starting to believe that it's illegal.
Sorry, I simply can't just accept things, with knowing that I haven't found the exact facts. That's one problem with today's society, is most people simply accept what the media, their friends, or governments tell them and don't go out and find the truths themselves. |
Simon Jax
Gallente
Freedom Guard
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 17:42:00 -
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The Terms of Servise are a part of the EULA by reference, and therefore are enforceable. Item number 20:
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You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
You cannot create any add-ons, extras or tools for the game. This most certainly includes anything that interacts directly with the EVE interface in lieu of the player.
--Wherever you go, there you are.
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3004179
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Posted - 2007.03.16 17:58:00 -
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So by this argument, should we assume things like EVEMon and QuickFit are also illegal?
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Starlight Blue
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:03:00 -
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Its hard to detect macro miners or they would have all be been banned by now. I use a hulk in high sec at the moment with scordite being so profitable.
I have my options set to auto reject convos as you would be suprised how many noobs convo you asking where did i get the ship from and how good is it.
I get messages all the time calling me macro scum just cause my ship is empire i can strip a belt fairly quick.
Ok i am lazy and just like to lock big roids and not have to deal with watching local for pirates every split second in o.4 and below.
Anyway the easiest way to spot a macro miner is to message them and ask them if they need help transporting the ore, tell them you will do it for nothing for the first day and then 10'000 isk hour after that.
If they dont reply saying yes to that offer they are either thick or Macro miner.
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: 3004179
So by this argument, should we assume things like EVEMon and QuickFit are also illegal?
No. EVEMon and QuickFit do not interect directly with the client or with Tranquility. They use data from the database dumps that CCP hands out specifically for use by programs such as these.
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halic
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.16 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: halic on 16/03/2007 20:22:51
i cant believe this made it to two pages
above
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Dunedon
Does this policy also mean that using tools that store your username and password to retrieve information about your character from the myeve website are also illegal?
This pertains to account information sharing among users, not tools themselves. Some tools such as EVEMon have been given a stamp of approval by CCP. Walking through the office, you would probably be amazed at the number of workstations that have a familiar blue icon residing in their trays. 
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Bilanto Gatejumper
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.17 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Starlight Blue
A lot of BS
If they dont reply saying yes to that offer they are either thick or Macro miner.
Or just sensible. Anyone who offer something like that would proabably keep the ore them self and scam you of all your hours of work.
So, Anyone actyaly answering yes to that offer is either thick or... thicker.
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Deckard Bishop
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.17 20:46:00 -
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to clarify: you are not allowed to macro mine. if you spot someone who you think may be macro mining please petition them.
evemon is a ccp approved program, and quickfit does not connect in any way with TQ/eve's db's.
both evemon and quickfit can both be run just by exporting your xml data from the my character section.
*click*
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