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Elane010
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:31:00 -
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Is macro miners allowed in EVE? Is there somewhere to report them if there not allowed?
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Simon Jax
Gallente
Freedom Guard
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:36:00 -
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They are not allowed. The use of any kind of macro is grounds for insta-perma-ban.
I'm not familiar with reporting methods, however.
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Rerrand
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:37:00 -
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I'd say petition it
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Elane010
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:41:00 -
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Thanks
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Elane010
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:43:00 -
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Yea, i put in a petition, macro miners make me mad because i goto mine, and they mine up entire systems, and leaves me searching for the right ore for building
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:07:00 -
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Petitioning under exploit is where you should specifically report them.
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Dust Rocket
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:32:00 -
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But be sure they really are mackro miners. I would be  if someone would petition me for AFK mining
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Domitianvs
Amarr
MCL Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:46:00 -
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I found that the best thing to do with Macrominers is to petition them and then start harrasing them in any "legal" way you can. Eventually they will get the message and leave your system.
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Stefx
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:42:00 -
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What is a macro miner?
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Trimex
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:08:00 -
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Yeah, whats the difference between Macro mining and afk mining?
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Eiidmac
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:09:00 -
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It's basically cheating. You are using a complex set of macro commands to mine till your full, drop the ore off and then return to the astroid field. You are making isk without doing any work. Using bots or macros in most games is considered cheating.
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Eiidmac
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Trimex
Yeah, whats the difference between Macro mining and afk mining?
Afk mining is that you are away from your keyboard a minute to get something to drink or you have your screen windowed so you can watch anime at the same time, but you are clicking the interface to move, mine, etc. Macro mining would be that your ship is mining in 1.0 space while you are sleeping or at work. It is cheating.
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Stefx
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:12:00 -
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I didn't know you could make such complex macros in this game
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:39:00 -
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"In this game" you cannot. It's a 3rd party program that sends commands to this game, which is a violation of the EULA.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2007.02.27 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Trimex
Yeah, whats the difference between Macro mining and afk mining?
AFK mining: some ships, like an industrial, can install one mining laser, and because they have such a large cargo hold, it'll take about an hour for that one mining laser to fill it. It's legal to activate a laser and walk away from the keyboard.
What is illegal is to have an external computer program or script drag the ore from your cargo hold to a jet can, or to have an external program click or interact with the game in any way, instead of you. That's macro-mining.
Typically, you can tell if someone's not at the keyboard by annoying them; get close, pretend to steal ore, etc. Some people have their channels minimized, so they won't respond to "hi". If the ship has a small cargo hold, or if the afk person seems to be transferring ore to a jetcan while not at the keyboard, that's probably a macro miner.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.02.27 06:23:00 -
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Technically you can run 5 miner accounts and a hauler with names like "dsfajf" as long as you're always manning the computer and not using illegal software, it can make it hard to sort out macros from just farmers.
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Berrik Flux
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.03.04 03:03:00 -
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Could you not use your ship to "bump" them out of range? Thus leaving them sitting there doing nothing.
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3004179
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Posted - 2007.03.15 02:21:00 -
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OK... so after constant annoyance from seeing macro-miners all over the place, and for reasons previously mentioned, I opted to do some research to hopefully gain some insight as to what a person could do if they witnessed an alleged macro-miner...
I read the EVE Online EULA to find out what the exact language was to describe how macros violate the EULA, and all I saw was this phrase:
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."
Unfortunately, all this did was add more questions. It seems that the part where a key/click-logging macro program should NOT fall within this violation is where it says "...at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." These macros don't actually acquire the items at an accelerated rate, just repeat a normal (albeit tedious) process that is repeated over and over. It's no different than if the player was to sit there and do the steps themselves... no acceleration ever occurs. I read that there are people who share accounts and use the macros to do the mining, and I can understand how that's in violation.
Someone please clarify this for me 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: 3004179
OK... so after constant annoyance from seeing macro-miners all over the place, and for reasons previously mentioned, I opted to do some research to hopefully gain some insight as to what a person could do if they witnessed an alleged macro-miner...
I read the EVE Online EULA to find out what the exact language was to describe how macros violate the EULA, and all I saw was this phrase:
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."
Unfortunately, all this did was add more questions. It seems that the part where a key/click-logging macro program should NOT fall within this violation is where it says "...at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." These macros don't actually acquire the items at an accelerated rate, just repeat a normal (albeit tedious) process that is repeated over and over. It's no different than if the player was to sit there and do the steps themselves... no acceleration ever occurs. I read that there are people who share accounts and use the macros to do the mining, and I can understand how that's in violation.
Someone please clarify this for me
They have clarified it and updated it in more recent versions of the Terms of Service.
The rule is no software macros, period. No hardware macros that move the mouse are allowed either. So the Logitech G15 for example is allowed.
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EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard |
3004179
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Posted - 2007.03.15 03:21:00 -
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Where in the TOS does it say this? Sorry if I'm being a bother... it's this thing I have about knowing exact information. That way I can better decide what action can be taken in-game or via petition to get rid of the macro-miners. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: 3004179
Where in the TOS does it say this? Sorry if I'm being a bother... it's this thing I have about knowing exact information. That way I can better decide what action can be taken in-game or via petition to get rid of the macro-miners.
I don't have a link on me but the policy is quite clear.
If you find a macroer, petition it under exploit. That's it.
--23 Member--
EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard |
Shanur
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:51:00 -
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And then steal their ore  |
Stefx
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:20:00 -
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I just went through the terms of service (Which are find on the left of the window, in FAQ - Policies) and I didn't see any mention of macros
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Stefx
I just went through the terms of service (Which are find on the left of the window, in FAQ - Policies) and I didn't see any mention of macros
EULA
Look for section 7 A-3
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Stefx
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:45:00 -
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Yeah but if you read 3004179's post in this thread, he is right in saying that macros don't make you acquire things faster. The mining still takes just as long.
Dark Shikari says that in the new TOS there is a new rule about "no macros, period" and this is what we are looking for.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:57:00 -
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Well how about this....
Write yourself a nifty little macro and start mining/ratting with it.
Let it run a while and see if you get caught.
That will tell you 100% wether CCP allows this or not.
Myself I choose to err on the side of caution and just play the game instead of having my computer play for me.
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Stefx
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:47:00 -
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I wasn't debating wether macro mining is good. I'm just trying to find out where it is mentioned that it is forbidden.
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Emylissan
Gallente
Wolf Pack Samurai
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:55:00 -
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All that macro miner thing made me very scared, now i use to fly a bit around every time, a bit around the asteroid i mine atm and than back and such, not that someone comes to the thought i am a macro miner^^
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Mekrunt
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:32:00 -
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Macrominers ofen have silly names too.
There was this group of macroers that all had names like "PL AQ 19", "PL AQ 20", "PL AQ 21", etc. I looked up the name, and there was like 25 of them!
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Emylissan
Gallente
Wolf Pack Samurai
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: 3004179
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Macroposter^^
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