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Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 00:52:00 - [1] The carriers overall are largely unbalanced, especially the nidhoggur. First the nidhoggur has the worst cap of all the carriers; its structue,armor and shield are all average or below average compared to the other carriers. The nidhoggur is minnie and so not rly a surprise it has the slots to either armor tank crappyly, or shield tank crapply; Either way you go its fittings stats are again just plain bad compared to the other carriers, for example the thanatos is an armor tanker, yet it has 25 more cpu then the nidhoggur and over 10k more pg. Then there is the slot layout, the nidhoggur can not tank well; this is largely because of its slot layout it has only 5 lows so it below par when it comes to armor tanking and it has 6 meds which can allow fo a slightly better shield tank. But i feel that for such expensive ships that take so long to get into, one should be able to tank well one way and not have to deal with this mixed slot layout. Finally, there is the nidhoggur's bonus; it is the only carrier to get a support bonus while all the others get bonus's either to help there tanking abilities or their damage. Why the nidhoggur is the only carrier to get this bonus, i do not know. There has never been to my memory a rping story etc that links minmatar more so then the other races to support . So i feel that the Nidhoggur needs a boost, and also the the amarr,minmatar and caladari carriers need to be boosted to equal the thanatos or it needs to be dumbed downed a bit. Thx
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Capt Rob on 28/02/2007 00:05:57 Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Train gallente BB5 and never look back. I would love to see the Mini-Carrier get a boost, but I think CCP is in the nurf cycle right now, the buff cycle will be in 2 years. It is a sad state of affairs for a ship class when the above statement about training gall bs 5 is undeniably true Also thx for the interesting replys
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.14 17:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Capt Rob on 14/03/2007 17:36:48 Originally by: Almarez Isn't this the way all Minmitar ships are setup. Split low and med slot layout? I don't know how many times I hear Tempest pilots say they love the dual shield/armor tank. I don't understand why but that is what I've heard. Why should the carrier be any different if that is the design philosophy of the race. Because of its cap etc, it cant tank well either way. which is a pretty big prob on a 1bil ship. Also its pg and cpu are rather low for either way you wanna tank. lets say you wanna shield tank, the thanatos has more cpu then the nidhoggur and its a armor tank only....
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.14 18:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Standard Deviation Bonus to fighter tracking and speed. its a cap ship not a cruiser, split layout doesnt work. Make it a sheild tanker or armor tanker. Make its grid and cpu more like other carriers. I agree with pretty much everything here, bonus to fighter tracking or speed would most likely be more directed with the whole minmatar way.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.15 00:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Spaced Skunk Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 14/03/2007 21:26:46 I dont fly the Nidhoggur atm, but to be honest the bonus does look a little 'weak'. See in my opinion I dont actually mind it having a support bonus, support/logistics is often overlooked in fleet battles, but its just not enough. I think the bonus for capital armour/shield transfer cap bonus should be changed from 5% to 7.5%, and the range bonus increased from 50% to 75%. In my opinion, if the nidhoggur gets a support bonus in the idea of carriers as support ships; they should all get support bonus's. Otherwise it acts as a nerf to the nidhoggur because it is no where as good as the others in the bonus and otherwise in fittings and cap etc.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.15 13:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I still think the Niddy needs love, but at the moment, it is the ultimate support carrier. It reps both shield and armor remote and reps more than the other carriers on a single module. Now that rigs are pretty commonplace, you can easily stick 3 cap rigs on your niddy and sustain either your capital booster/reps or one of the remote transfer mods. I see the Nidhoggur as a support vessel for smaller gangs. It does the job of repairer smaller craft better than the other carriers. If that's the role people want it to have though, that's a whole different issue. :) Even with cap rigs, the niddy has some pretty large cap issues, with fitting probs to boot. If it is meant to be the ultimate support carrier, give it the bonus of a ultimate support carrier; as even with carrier V, the duration of cap remote reps goes down to what? around 4 seconds, thats not a hugh difference, when the other carriers can have it at 5, and they dont have all the cap issues etc.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.15 14:44:00 - [7] Along with its cap issues, and odd cpu/pg. I would like to have a discussion about the slot layout, i mean this is a bil ship not a cruiser or bc. I think that thought needs to go into this as a mixed slot layout does not work on a ship of this caliber or cost.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.15 16:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Almarez Edited by: Almarez on 15/03/2007 15:27:38 Originally by: Capt Rob Edited by: Capt Rob on 14/03/2007 17:43:14 Edited by: Capt Rob on 14/03/2007 17:36:48 Originally by: Almarez Isn't this the way all Minmitar ships are setup. Split low and med slot layout? I don't know how many times I hear Tempest pilots say they love the dual shield/armor tank. I don't understand why but that is what I've heard. Why should the carrier be any different if that is the design philosophy of the race. Because of its cap etc, it cant tank well either way. which is a pretty big prob on a 1bil ship. Also its pg and cpu are rather low for either way you wanna tank. lets say you wanna shield tank, the thanatos has more cpu then the nidhoggur and its a armor tank only....And ofc the thanatos has more pg so it can armor tank better than the nidhoggur as well. I ask the question why bother getting a nidhoggur when everything it can do, another carrier can just do better. OFC except the nidhoggur gets a small% better duration on remote reps which is SUCH A USEFULL BONUS The cpu and powergrid may both be issues and that should be looked into if there are serious fitting problems but what I thought you were having issues with was about slot layout. My point is, each race has a design philosophy and the Minmitar one is a split between low and med slots, so why would this ship be any different? As for the cap issue, again Minmitar have smaller capacitors in general, which this ship seems to follow. Just because it is a bigger ship that shouldn't change. That being said, smaller than the other races ships doesn't mean it should be so small that the ship can't do anything. So if it really is killing you to run your mods then...oh wait, isn't that the problem with just about every laser boat. I think the problem is that as a Minmitar pilot you are not used to having cap problems, welcome to our world. (Sponsored by the Amarrian Federation of Disgruntled Laser Users - AFDLU) Your trying to turn this into a amarr/mimatar thing and that is not what this is about. It is one thing when the smaller ships such as the cruisers etc have spilt slot layouts, first of all because they can use manuverably and speed like most minmatar ships to help reduce damage as well as add a smaller tank and its not as bad. When you get to carriers where you are pretty much a hugh flying brick. It is ridiculos to have such a slot layout which pretty much screws you over both ways. Also, does the amarr carrier have major cap issues? no. So the idea of the fact amarr have big cap probs on their cap ships is not true. You cant compare the fact that the normal amarr ships can have cap probs if they dont have decent skills; but i got a news flash for ya, minmatar ships are hardpressed to just be as good as other races in pretty much any area with out very good skillz. The last paragraph does not rly relate to the topic but if your gona relate non-cap amarr ships cap issues to minmatar capital ship cap issues then there ya go.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Xoduse Apparently you aren't the only one that thinks the Nidhoggur needs a boost. Linkage LOL Love that flash, thx for linking it
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Almarez Originally by: Jurushy i agree the carrier are over one year in the game TUXFORD prommised to take a look on the capital ships and all get 500% increase in HP but this is not enought the minmatar capships need to balance whit the others The minmatar carrier ond motherships needs it more than every other ship in this game TUXFORD IT IS TIME TO DO U WORK NOW! we wait long enough He is working on it!!! You must be patient, the Amarr were here first. No you weren't since RMR we said our carrier is a piece of ##$% ,i said that they would take another 3 years to fix it ,like they did to the phoon and it is getting there =). Never the less i trained for a nig not because i like the bonus ,but because i'am a hardcore minie and only fly minie but it is the worst carrier of them all . Let us hope ccp realises that this aint some teir 1 bs and takes a large amount of training for what is atm relative crap compared to the others. Fix this broke ship
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 19/03/2007 12:47:05 What i'd like to know is who decided on the bonus and then how did he pitch it to the rest and get it accepted, theres some presentation skills right there.... That said support isnt really an option, long locking time and the fact in a fair sized fleet fight means the first target will pop relatively quickly barring a captital ship, either way most hog pilots will be fitting drone control units, nos neuts or cloaks dosent really leave a lot of room for remote reps. Its just sh*te tbh compared to the others which really is the issue here. The others get much better and more useful bonus, theres 3 carriers in game with a very useful logistics role, and 1 very useful logistic ship with a poor carrier role. I guess it could be argued that sitting in a POS and assigning fighters dosent make much diff when it comes to bonus but I want to use it in a more aggressive and active role, atm with those bonus, its just a logistics ship to me. I agree, support is not a very viable option for this type of ship atm because if how it is setup. Also i do agree; i wanna see carriers in more aggressive roles, doing dmg and support, not just sitting in a pos/ss asigning fighters. I do know a good number of people who use their carrier agressively but also a large number who just sit, especially nidhoggur pilots because atm their carrier is useless compared to the other carriers.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.21 21:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Padma Sky +1 hi slot That would not help the nidhoggur to become better atm in rly anyway
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.22 22:28:00 - [13] some interesting new posts and ideas, thx for them all. If tux wont take notice till we get like a 20page thread, i wont rest till that is done
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.23 12:36:00 - [14] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Capt Rob some interesting new posts and ideas, thx for them all. If tux wont take notice till we get like a 20page thread, i wont rest till that is done He ignored the like 100 page amarr boost post so most likely 20 pages wont do it. Different circumstances and i dont like amarr so maby tux dont like em either
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.23 16:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Hiro Kazamatsuri minmatar is the mobile/speed race => Nid need a jump range bonus. Simple, useful, not overpowered. Well there have already been ideas expressed on why this woudt be good and anyway. this would have to go along with slot lay out fixes and cap fixs, or this just turn it into a carebear carrier for ppl to jump supplies in and our. which is not what a carriers true purpose should be
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Hiro Kazamatsuri Originally by: Capt Rob Originally by: Hiro Kazamatsuri minmatar is the mobile/speed race => Nid need a jump range bonus. Simple, useful, not overpowered. Well there have already been ideas expressed on why this woudt be good and anyway. this would have to go along with slot lay out fixes and cap fixs, or this just turn it into a carebear carrier for ppl to jump supplies in and our. which is not what a carriers true purpose should be Perhaps, but at least the nid would have a (useful) niche role. /me watch to his minmatar carrier 5 You trained to minmatar carrier level 5? Thats what a diehard minmatar man does; shame the nidhoggur aint good enuff to justify it tho
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.01 03:48:00 - [17] Originally by: VanNostrum no it doesn't carrier's are not wtfpwnsolo ships as someone's sig suggests carrier's are for assigning fighters to fast gangm8s. no solo carrier survives jumped on by a strong enemy gang, +7.5% repair/boost or whatever won't change that if you're not happy with niddhogur, train for thanatos oh, and nightelves you sir are clueless
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Pociomundo Edited by: Pociomundo on 01/04/2007 05:05:28 P.S. The Thanatos may have nice fighter damage bonus but when it comes down to tanking its behind the Chimera and Archon by a long shot, i can get 800 more dps tanked out of an equivalent T2 set up Chimera or Archon than I can a Thanatos, when you get into real combat with it the fighters get targetted and killed very quickly = bonus gone. And now you have to be relatively unsafe to assign fighters and ofc the bonus is lost when they are assigned. Caldari, Amarr, Gallente are relatively balanced as it stands, unless you want cookie cutter carriers and we all just get straight tanking bonuses with varied capital transfer bonuses. Ok , now take the thanatos and lower it quite a few times and you get the nidhoggur in this situation. Its meant to be a support carrier, but it has the worst cap and worst tank; in today's battles most people will primary a support craft but the nidhoggur is simply not gona fill this role in its current state. Atm i think that for carrier tanking is the mainthing, so id say that the chimera and archon are above the others, then theres the thanny with a par tank and it does get some dmg. then theres the niddy with a crap tank and little cap to run it, let alone tank and support ships.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.01 19:04:00 - [19] boost this ship! P.S. Bump
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:29:00 - [20] thx Abathur for the post, i know yall read these threads etc just makes us feel better when you post.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:30:00 - [21] Originally by: GC13 As promised, here is the executive summary of this thread. good write up, thx for summing this whole thread up

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