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Capt Rob
Minmatar Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:52:00 -
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The carriers overall are largely unbalanced, especially the nidhoggur. First the nidhoggur has the worst cap of all the carriers; its structue,armor and shield are all average or below average compared to the other carriers.
The nidhoggur is minnie and so not rly a surprise it has the slots to either armor tank crappyly, or shield tank crapply; Either way you go its fittings stats are again just plain bad compared to the other carriers, for example the thanatos is an armor tanker, yet it has 25 more cpu then the nidhoggur and over 10k more pg.
Then there is the slot layout, the nidhoggur can not tank well; this is largely because of its slot layout it has only 5 lows so it below par when it comes to armor tanking and it has 6 meds which can allow fo a slightly better shield tank. But i feel that for such expensive ships that take so long to get into, one should be able to tank well one way and not have to deal with this mixed slot layout.
Finally, there is the nidhoggur's bonus; it is the only carrier to get a support bonus while all the others get bonus's either to help there tanking abilities or their damage. Why the nidhoggur is the only carrier to get this bonus, i do not know. There has never been to my memory a rping story etc that links minmatar more so then the other races to support .
So i feel that the Nidhoggur needs a boost, and also the the amarr,minmatar and caladari carriers need to be boosted to equal the thanatos or it needs to be dumbed downed a bit.
Thx
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Maeltstome
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Posted - 2007.02.27 02:34:00 -
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Like all minmatar ships, you need wtfpwntbhbbq skills to fly it - damige has the best setup i've seen... then again he always has massive gangs surrounding him, and i've not seen any dread pop at him.
However i REALLY agree about the slots. A chimera can get 80+ on all res easily and have a capital booster with a boost amp aswell, lifting its total boost ammount to above 2 cap arm reps (i believe). Add a few rigs and its WTF pwn time.
/signed.
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Selzer
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.27 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Maeltstome Like all minmatar ships, you need wtfpwntbhbbq skills to fly it - damige has the best setup i've seen... then again he always has massive gangs surrounding him, and i've not seen any dread pop at him.
Although the same skills put towards any of the other carriers would result in a much stronger ship. And even with crazy skills, the Nidhoggur never rises above any of the other carriers either, its always sitting at the bottom of the pack.
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Samirol
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.27 04:15:00 -
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give it a target painting bonus!
http://www.iknowderek.com/
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Oscar Clay
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Posted - 2007.02.27 05:10:00 -
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the chimera needs a boost to draw scale because it looks like it's the size of a damn typhoon
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.27 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Oscar Clay the chimera needs a boost to draw scale because it looks like it's the size of a damn typhoon
Heheh, I've seen this phenomena in person. Undocked my typhoon at the same time as a mate undocked his chimera, thought "Huh, that's a strange looking battleship." ----
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Pirates of Destruction Union Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 08:37:00 -
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Train gallente BB5 and never look back.
I would love to see the Mini-Carrier get a boost, but I think CCP is in the nurf cycle right now, the buff cycle will be in 2 years.
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Fokus
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Fokus on 27/02/2007 09:01:17 Edited by: Fokus on 27/02/2007 08:56:42 It does seem kind of odd that with the exception of industrials, (the Gallente Iteron V being straight up superior to the other races top tier industrials..and even then the difference is not that huge) the carriers are the only other class that have such a massive discrepancy in balance. The Minmatar carrier is just inferior to the other carriers. I can't fly one yet, though I plan to someday down the road, but I have to say it is a bit discouraging to look at that bonus and the amount of cap that ship has. I realize the carriers are not supposed to be solo machines, but the Nidhoggur is the only carrier which gets dual logistics bonuses. Coupled with the worst cap to support them. I really don't know why somebody would want to fly a Nidhoggur over the other carriers except from a visual (it does look awesome) or a roleplay standpoint.
It is pretty frustrating to have such a glaring issue with the Nidhoggur. I think it is a pretty obvious one to just about everyone who has reached the point where they can or are thinking about flying carriers as well. Its a little surprising that the ship even made it into the game the way it is, let alone the fact that it hasn't been fixed in nearly a year.
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Imhotep Khem
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol give it a target painting bonus!
Yea a blanket 10% painting of all ships targeted by its fighters  ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'. |

Natasha Kerensky
The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:53:00 -
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Give it a bonus to CAPITAL SHIELD NOS!!!
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:59:00 -
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look ccp is designing a special 10000mn mwd and XXlarge shieldextenders.
fit your lows with nano/i-stab, meds with the mwd and XXlarge extender and tadaa 10km/s nano carrier. _________________________________________________ Breetime
A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |

Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap look ccp is designing a special 10000mn mwd and XXlarge shieldextenders.
fit your lows with nano/i-stab, meds with the mwd and XXlarge extender and tadaa 10km/s nano carrier.

TEMPTATION INC. Killboard |

Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:10:00 -
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ye the nidhoggur and hel.. deff needs a BIG BOOST.... but i cant be bothered to argument for it anymore.. this is like the 50th post in 6 months..
ccp wont listen 
TEMPTATION INC. Killboard |

Chronus26
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum ye the nidhoggur and hel.. deff needs a BIG BOOST.... but i cant be bothered to argument for it anymore.. this is like the 50th post in 6 months..
ccp wont listen 
Or CCP did listen and want to surprise you when the next big patch comes around...  -----
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Oscar Clay the chimera needs a boost to draw scale because it looks like it's the size of a damn typhoon
Offtopic: Park a Rokh next to the Chimera and have a look. About 80% of em are the same model and they are the same size.
Regards
/Doxs After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead... |

madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.27 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: madaluap look ccp is designing a special 10000mn mwd and XXlarge shieldextenders.
fit your lows with nano/i-stab, meds with the mwd and XXlarge extender and tadaa 10km/s nano carrier.

Im getting the odd feeling you actually tried to nano your carrier  _________________________________________________ Breetime
A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |

Chronus26
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: madaluap look ccp is designing a special 10000mn mwd and XXlarge shieldextenders.
fit your lows with nano/i-stab, meds with the mwd and XXlarge extender and tadaa 10km/s nano carrier.

Im getting the odd feeling you actually tried to nano your carrier 
I seem to remember a certain killmail I saw on an old corp of mine's killboard...  -----
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.28 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: madaluap look ccp is designing a special 10000mn mwd and XXlarge shieldextenders.
fit your lows with nano/i-stab, meds with the mwd and XXlarge extender and tadaa 10km/s nano carrier.

Im getting the odd feeling you actually tried to nano your carrier 
I seem to remember a certain killmail I saw on an old corp of mine's killboard... 
lol nowhey _________________________________________________ Breetime
A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |

Capt Rob
Minmatar Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Rob on 28/02/2007 00:05:57
Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Train gallente BB5 and never look back.
I would love to see the Mini-Carrier get a boost, but I think CCP is in the nurf cycle right now, the buff cycle will be in 2 years.
It is a sad state of affairs for a ship class when the above statement about training gall bs 5 is undeniably true
Also thx for the interesting replys
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 00:41:00 -
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I think all carriers should get the rep/booster bonus and the Minnie should get an entirly new combat related bonus.
Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Kustra FIRE
Minmatar DEUS EX MACHINA
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Posted - 2007.02.28 00:46:00 -
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5% reduction in capital shield booster needs per level
ok so looking at racial ships
caldari usually get a shield resinstance bonus, which its carrier has.
amarr gets a armor hardening bonus, whihc its carrier also has.
gallente get drones bonus OR armor rep amount bonus which its carrier has drones bonus.
Minmatar get a shield boost bonus per level bonus... and why doesnt the carrier have it?? CCP hello? I understand it might make it very overpowered, but at least how about a shield booster cap reduction bonus then...
any thoughts on this guys?
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Fokus
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.28 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kustra FIRE 5% reduction in capital shield booster needs per level
ok so looking at racial ships
caldari usually get a shield resinstance bonus, which its carrier has.
amarr gets a armor hardening bonus, whihc its carrier also has.
gallente get drones bonus OR armor rep amount bonus which its carrier has drones bonus.
Minmatar get a shield boost bonus per level bonus... and why doesnt the carrier have it?? CCP hello? I understand it might make it very overpowered, but at least how about a shield booster cap reduction bonus then...
any thoughts on this guys?
I think its a fine idea that would fit well.
I had thought that maybe making the current bonus apply to capital energy emissions modules as well might be cool, but because there are no named capital cap transfers it really isnt as effective as it has the potential to be. And also, it would still be a logistics bonus.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:03:00 -
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I would support the above boosts to the minny carriers (being a gallente and caldari pilot as well).
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: madaluap look ccp is designing a special 10000mn mwd and XXlarge shieldextenders.
fit your lows with nano/i-stab, meds with the mwd and XXlarge extender and tadaa 10km/s nano carrier.

Im getting the odd feeling you actually tried to nano your carrier 
dude nanohog.. is like a big phoon..
TEMPTATION INC. Killboard |

Sensless Killing
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum ye the nidhoggur and hel.. deff needs a BIG BOOST.... but i cant be bothered to argument for it anymore.. this is like the 50th post in 6 months..
ccp wont listen 
This definately seems like the truth, doubt they will do anything
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Chronus26
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sensless Killing
Originally by: Chode Rizoum ye the nidhoggur and hel.. deff needs a BIG BOOST.... but i cant be bothered to argument for it anymore.. this is like the 50th post in 6 months..
ccp wont listen 
This definately seems like the truth, doubt they will do anything
CCP have said on god-knows how many occasions that just because a Dev hasn't replied to a thread, that doesn't mean they haven't seen it. Wait till the next big patch is about to arrive, thats when changes to stuff like this are normally announced. -----
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EL TITAN
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:33:00 -
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Would be nice to know in advance if they are changing anything or not. Though i guess i can wait until next patch. but still if I was to get a mothership Id most likely train like amarr bs 5 or gallente bs 5 instead of getting a Hel tbh ;x _________________________________________________ <3 hi |

Lenaria
Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:57:00 -
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Just boost it. =============================================== LV are like little crying babies... Full story |

Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.11 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Rob
Finally, there is the nidhoggur's bonus; it is the only carrier to get a support bonus while all the others get bonus's either to help there tanking abilities or their damage. Why the nidhoggur is the only carrier to get this bonus, i do not know. There has never been to my memory a rping story etc that links minmatar more so then the other races to support .
I think the idea behind the Niddy is that it is more dangerous in packs than the other carriers; 5 nidhoggurs should outtank 5 archons, by remote repping each other.
However, this is not the case, as the bonus is just 5%; to make matters worse, every level of the bonus makes cap more of a problem.
If they'd change the bonus to 7,5% bonus to remote capital repairer amount per level, the nidhoggur would be just fine. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs. |

fushi yasha
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:27:00 -
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i just finished minny bs 5 >=\
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