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ViperVenom Minmatar Fast Food Corp Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:15:00 - [151] Originally by: MOCC3 Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: ViperVenom If CCP did this and added cap. well screw it made CAP on all carrier the same. 15% EM and 10% Thermal resistance bonus to Shield and Armor per level (yes that the AF Boni) But hell i think it would help alot. ok ok make it 7.5 EM/5% Thermal Any takers can i get a sig? I think taht bonus is too overpowered . Well if the Ammar Carrier can have 5% Bonus to all armor what wrong with giving the Nid 7.5 EM armor/shield and 5% Thermal Armor/shield? Signed. I like that idea of boosting the Nid shield/Armor Res. 7.5% EM 5% Therm Per skill Lv. Seems fair to me. What do you guys think? And make all Carrier Cap close to the same. Signed!
Tychus	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:29:00 - [152] SIGNED!! 5% fighter tracking bonus per level rules!!!! Now that nano-battleships have been nerfed, a stick of fighters could actually hit a smaller/faster ship for a change.... and in a wierd way fits with the Matari "raiding" outlook. We pop in, and destroy a smaller target, and cyno out while a thanny would spend 10 minutes trying to destroy the same target. Tychus
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:09:00 - [153] We need love tux. Bump of death.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:24:00 - [154] I'd still go for the support carrier boni. 5% reduction in armor repairer / shield transfer duration per level and 7.5%(or 10%) in remote armor rep/sield transfer cap usage per level. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:01:00 - [155] Edited by: Sykosys on 04/04/2007 15:58:34 Ok before I comment I need to say I AM a nid pilot. First of all I see alot of comments saying if you don't like this carrier fly a thanatos. Well thats the first sign of unbalance right there. Second I have no problem running dual remot reps on my carrier. Sure my dual cap reps will drain my own cap if I ran all 4 but hey thats balanced right. . . If CCP intends the nid to be a support carrier than it needs the cap to do so as Remote reppers do use MASSIVE amounts of cap and the reduction of remote cycle increases this usage. Or even give the nid the best cap recharge of all the carriers. This im sure would really unbalance things the way they are now and may even help with keeping the nid a support carrier. Also I have no problem with the slot layout. Being a minnie pilot you get used to borked ship slots and learn to use them best. But in the end I think everyone agrees the nid is the worst carrier of the 4. . . Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
MOCC3	Posted - 2007.04.05 14:24:00 - [156] Originally by: Sykosys Edited by: Sykosys on 04/04/2007 15:58:34 Ok before I comment I need to say I AM a nid pilot. First of all I see alot of comments saying if you don't like this carrier fly a thanatos. Well thats the first sign of unbalance right there. Second I have no problem running dual remot reps on my carrier. Sure my dual cap reps will drain my own cap if I ran all 4 but hey thats balanced right. . . If CCP intends the nid to be a support carrier than it needs the cap to do so as Remote reppers do use MASSIVE amounts of cap and the reduction of remote cycle increases this usage. Or even give the nid the best cap recharge of all the carriers. This im sure would really unbalance things the way they are now and may even help with keeping the nid a support carrier. Also I have no problem with the slot layout. Being a minnie pilot you get used to borked ship slots and learn to use them best. But in the end I think everyone agrees the nid is the worst carrier of the 4. . . Great Point! I do not fly a Nid but i kno alot of people who do. CCP please help the sexy beast. //BUMP//
Ethion Amoral Self Promoters	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:38:00 - [157] /Signed Training minmatar carrier 5 FTW
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:08:00 - [158] Don't forget about the nid. Friendly bump to not forget about how this carrier is so un balanced out of the 4 Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Temptation inc. Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:49:00 - [159] are we awake tuxford ? TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
Nordvargr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:31:00 - [160] Well I have to make a decision now. Either I train for a thanatos and become a mean domi pilot along the way, or I train up T2 large projectiles and become a mean sniper (not very fun...) when I get min BS V on my way to the nidhoggur. I gotta say I wouldn't entirely mind the nid, if you use it like a true hardcore carrier pilot it's pretty decent (archon is still better). By true hardcore carrier pilot I mean all cap rehcargers in the mids, all cargo expanders in the lows, and you never leave POS shields or docking range of a station except possibly to recharge POS shields which the nid is good at. Now if you want to roll around recklessly and do airflips like the dukes of hazard then I'm sure the lack of tank really does suck but I don't plan on doing that and am not prone to acting on irrational impulses. However I whole heartedly agree that if you use carriers the way CCP intended for them to be used then the nidhoggur is sorely lacking in several departments.

CCP Abathur	Posted - 2007.04.07 10:05:00 - [161] Originally by: c0rn1 Archon - Bloody kick ass armor tank Chimera - Kick ass Shield tank Thanatos - Fighter Damage 4tw with a good armor tank Nidhoggur - Support Carrier par excellence with mediocre shield/armor tank (whatever you like) This is what was orginally intended and where we are looking to go. I'll be the first to admit that the poor 'Niddy' and its big brother the Hel need to have a more well-defined role. We're also looking at several improvements for carriers in general for Kali 2 in order to expand front-line combat roles. We do read these threads but we don't have the time to respond to them all. One suggestion I would make is for some of you to look at this thread. Posts like these get noticed and are more likely to be acted upon when the OP lays things out well. The feedback is very much valued, especially with regard to this level of play. In short, be specific with us. "Tux did it!"

Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.07 10:20:00 - [162] Edited by: Victor Ivanov on 07/04/2007 10:23:06 ...me huggles tuxford for giving him hope Maybe us minnie pilots should make a summary thread of all the points mentioned in this thread(There are quite a number of specific ones, Tuxie, but I can understand that reading through it everytime and having to find a specific post to double check something and having to reread all 7 pages can be the proverbial ****. :) ) If we can contstruct a new thread in a manner similiar to the Nyx one posted by Tux, hopefully that would help the devs with some player fueled ideas. :) If no one is able or wanting to do this, I'll do it sometime next week, due to the fact that I got my eardrum punctured and need to move to my new appartment this weekend and thus lack time. :P Murphy's law seems to dislike me quite a bit. ^_^ (Another thing that we could do is make this a group effort. One person creates a thread "Summary of Nidhoggur issues and possible solutions", reads through the first page of this thread and posts the solutions given. The next person willing reads page 2 and makes a summary of that, etc etc. Should take a whole lot less time than one person doing it. :P) Oh and again: Huggles Tuxford for giving a response* ^_^

CCP Abathur	Posted - 2007.04.07 10:25:00 - [163] Edited by: CCP Abathur on 07/04/2007 10:21:12 I'm not Tux. He's into evil things like math and graphs. I just tell him what math and graphs should be focused on based upon the feedback of you fine people. "Tux did it!"

Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.07 10:28:00 - [164] Damnit, sorry Abathur. I misread your name. I'll edit my post to read "Huggles Abathur". :P ...And I have a very solid excuse. Punctured Eardrum is not fun. :P
Captain Crimson	Posted - 2007.04.07 11:33:00 - [165] If the minmatar carriers did have a revamp with the support role in mind, i think they could turn the minmatar capital gang into quite a nasty one..... now we just need to build and test a ragnarok.... Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.04.07 11:50:00 - [166] Originally by: CCP Abathur Edited by: CCP Abathur on 07/04/2007 10:21:12 I'm not Tux. He's into evil things like math and graphs. I just tell him what math and graphs should be focused on based upon the feedback of you fine people. So the nerf bat is yours now? I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:40:00 - [167] I note a distinct lack of jubilation from the minmatar pilots. :P Rejoice you shall!
GC13 Caldari Derelik Trading Company	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:49:00 - [168] Well, I went and wrote up an executive summary of the thread (a blow by blow of the serious concerns expressed in this thread). Judging from the votes, it seems that while there is a sizeable minority desiring something aggressive (the fighter tracking bonus being the most favored aggressive buff, which I personally liken to the Thanatos's damage bonus), the majority seems to be divided evenly between either a personal tanking bonus (divided between reduced capacitor usage on shield boosters and a simple boost amount bonus like on the Maelstrom) or a large improvement to its current support role (swapping out the current bonus for a 7.5% boost amount seems to be by far the most popular of these). I'd also like to point out that there was a fair amount of concern for the Nidhoggur's low capacitor (despite every carrier having the same cap/second recharge rate), and much support for turning a mid slot into a low slot. There was also a large degree of concern for its poor fitting stats, being lower in both CPU and powergrid than the Thanatos despite the shield tank-biased slot layout. Also, there was an argument over a jump range bonus, with some people liking its first-strike abilities, and others thinking it's useless in gangs and with such a weak carrier. Now please pardon me while I go and do what I initially had decided not to, and start up a thread with an expansion on this post. Am I a glutton for pain, or what? -- Science and Industry guide plus A Newbie's Guide to Caldari Ships Eve and RPG blog
Nobum Amarr dabster Corp	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:50:00 - [169] Originally by: Victor Ivanov I note a distinct lack of jubilation from the minmatar pilots. :P Rejoice you shall! Is because nothing has been DECIDED yet, we've ehard things like "yea we agree the minmatar carriers could use change", before. Infact, we have probably heard it 5 times atleast. So when I hear "this and htis is getting changed", i too shall celebrate my Niddy being cooler [my currently inactivated main is minnie carrier pilot]
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:06:00 - [170] Edited by: Pesadel0 on 07/04/2007 19:02:58 Originally by: Victor Ivanov I note a distinct lack of jubilation from the minmatar pilots. :P Rejoice you shall! Well maybe because nothing has been said ;).And we knew that Tux was going to boost the carriers,so... I'am happy at least we got a dev response ,and i think "abath" dev is tux in disguise. Come back Tux we still lobe you. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:28:00 - [171] If nothing else, let us rejoice for the simple matter of a dev response. ^_^ Also, I am very glad I checked this thread in between writing a summary. ^_^ Got home early, so started on it, but now I see that would be slightly redundant. bows to the person dedicating the time for summarising all this. Us Minmatar's stick together. :P ----------------------
GC13 Caldari Derelik Trading Company	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:58:00 - [172] As promised, here is the executive summary of this thread. -- Science and Industry guide plus A Newbie's Guide to Caldari Ships Eve and RPG blog
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:29:00 - [173] thx Abathur for the post, i know yall read these threads etc just makes us feel better when you post.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:30:00 - [174] Originally by: GC13 As promised, here is the executive summary of this thread. good write up, thx for summing this whole thread up
Beep254	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:43:00 - [175] Bump
Jeronica Minmatar Incarnation of Evil	Posted - 2007.04.17 04:07:00 - [176] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 01/04/2007 04:35:31 I think the layout is fine. It's the matari approach with those hybrid med/low slot layout. The problem with it being a support ship is that -before mentioned already- the cap is definately too small. OR Let with the 5% armor rep speed bonus come a 7.5% reduction in cap remote armor/shield repper cap usage. This would make it VERY useful in the position as a logistic carrier in a fleet/gang/your alliance. I fly a nidhoggur myself and love the idea of sitting in a support carrier. I can make the difference in a fleet battle as the tanking abilities of the amarr and caldari can or the damage of the Gallente. Then we got a proper face for all carriers: Archon - Bloody kick ass armor tank Chimera - Kick ass Shield tank Thanatos - Fighter Damage 4tw with a good armor tank Nidhoggur - Support Carrier par excellence with mediocre shield/armor tank (whatever you like) My spare cents c0rn1 Whats the point of being a big tank in a fleet if you wont be primary? Most fleets target the smaller support ships than a carrier :p
Genrath	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:11:00 - [177] We still care! Id think some real special bonus would be cool, and it would be semi in line from the cruiserships: Vexor bonus = nyx Aeon = maller Wyvern = moa Minmatar = ? Give it a hardcore target painting bonus, yes, like 100-200% more effective per level. So that with one painter could blow up your targets sig radius 2-4x times, making your ship a threat vs smaller ships aswell as helping gang/dreads. This would be in line with the bellicose bonus. The bonus needs to be so good that you "just have to" fit a painter, and that you would only need one, since you dont want that many slots wasted on ewar on a carrier/mothership anyways. Another option is a say a 25% speed increase per level, would make atleast MS more of minmatarish, requiring different tactics for killing them than say an amarr aeon. Again the bonus would need some effect to be useful. Again in line with the stabberbonus. Give the motherships some personality, dont make them just oversized dominixes.
ViperVenom Minmatar Fast Food Corp Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:30:00 - [178] I pray that Tux helps this gimped Carrier.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Temptation inc. Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:34:00 - [179] Originally by: Genrath We still care! Id think some real special bonus would be cool, and it would be semi in line from the cruiserships: Vexor bonus = nyx Aeon = maller Wyvern = moa Minmatar = ? Give it a hardcore target painting bonus, yes, like 100-200% more effective per level. So that with one painter could blow up your targets sig radius 2-4x times, making your ship a threat vs smaller ships aswell as helping gang/dreads. This would be in line with the bellicose bonus. The bonus needs to be so good that you "just have to" fit a painter, and that you would only need one, since you dont want that many slots wasted on ewar on a carrier/mothership anyways. Another option is a say a 25% speed increase per level, would make atleast MS more of minmatarish, requiring different tactics for killing them than say an amarr aeon. Again the bonus would need some effect to be useful. Again in line with the stabberbonus. Give the motherships some personality, dont make them just oversized dominixes. post with your main! TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
Ariel Dawn SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.20 01:53:00 - [180] Originally by: c0rn1 I'd still go for the support carrier boni. 5% reduction in armor repairer / shield transfer duration per level and 7.5%(or 10%) in remote armor rep/sield transfer cap usage per level. Something like this would be pretty awesome. Being extremely efficient at keeping other people alive would be a good trade off from having the weakest tank by far. Just to throw out an idea; how about having the Nid's bonus Immunity to EW (and thinking up something special for the Hel). Would sure give an incentive to fly Nid's due to their improved mobility and safety over other carriers. Seems a bit crazy, but it might work.

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