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Hahnide Kragomn Iota Piscium 1	Posted - 2016.05.27 15:27:21 - [31] - Quote I wonder, would killing an empire NPC such as a water hauling freighter or gate customs agent trigger the SP bonus?
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12148	Posted - 2016.05.27 17:38:41 - [32] - Quote I service product this or/and support. Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 970	Posted - 2016.05.27 18:57:16 - [33] - Quote Agreed that killing belt rats and farming your alt contain comparable levels of lameness. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Demolishar United Aggression 1109	Posted - 2016.05.27 19:11:26 - [34] - Quote Remove all passive skill training and increase dailies to allow 2M SP per month.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7728	Posted - 2016.05.27 19:32:12 - [35] - Quote You know this could end up being a gateway to having to actually do the things you skill for in order to build SP for it. If you wanted to get say Frigates Level 5, you had to actually had to fly frigates. Would that be in the spirit of the system? The system has always been against "he who has most time to play, wins". And we all know that translates to "He who has the least life, wins" or that old question brought to us by Parker and Stone "How do you kill that which has no life?" Let the Sword of Truth swing wide... Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Vol Arm'OOO Central Co-Prosperity Union 814	Posted - 2016.05.27 20:02:41 - [36] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: There are so few true -10ers in the world (http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status) it's just not worth giving up our highly coveted status as the elite of the elite for a few measly skillpoints each day. Thanks but no thanks, you'd have done better to make it interactions with players rather than rats. With that in mind I have come up with a way to undo the damage being done by dailies, while at the same time showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves. Kill every t3 you find. When you die in a T3 you lose 1 rank the subsystem highest skill (people usually have them at V, but I've found people running round with it all at lvl I before). Let's assume it's a V skill for now. All the subsystem skills are rank 1, so that's 210k sp to get from rank IV to V. If you commit to killing 1 t3 cruiser every 21 days (per account), you'll be doing your part to fight skillpoint inflation, having destroyed 21 days worth of SP from dailies. If you kill more, you'll be doing the economy a favour and making your own sp even more valuable. If you don't hunt t3's (also accepting skillpoint injector kills where the loot fairy takes the injector) then you have no right to complain. Just for the record that doesnt seem to be a real list of all the folk who are minus 10. None of my alliancemates are on it and we are all -10 or close to it. As for myself, i'm -.99 - I just cant seem to get over that last little bit no matter how many people I shoot in the face. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17749	Posted - 2016.05.27 20:27:40 - [37] - Quote Narrisse Chelien wrote: Malcanis wrote: Narrisse Chelien wrote: Killing other players for sp would just have folks podding alts. It is not in the spirit of this system. The "system" is shooting a single rat. It's absolutely in the spirit of the system. no its not, and i expected an eve player to be less daft the point of the system is to get people undocked, playing in space and giving them perhaps a reason - since they have already logged on and undocked - of doing something else and contributing to the game at large. an abuseable system that station-trading or pure inudstrialists would have no real chance of completing wihtout someone rolling over and saying 'pod me pls' or abusing an alt is NOT going to work. How does that apply to shooting an alt but not a wet-paper-tanked belt rat? I mean at least shooting an alt gives an aggro timer. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Sasha Nemtsov Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2016.05.27 20:27:47 - [38] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Go ahead and kill your T3 quota so you retain your "right to complain", but FFS complain somewhere else. Hey, It's Tisi's thread. You are the visitor. Goodness. Trying to throw poor Tisi out of her own house; whatever next....?
Sasha Nemtsov Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2016.05.27 20:28:36 - [39] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Go ahead and kill your T3 quota so you retain your "right to complain", but FFS complain somewhere else. Hey, It's Tisi's thread. You are the visitor. Goodness. Trying to throw poor Tisi out of her own house; whatever next....?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17749	Posted - 2016.05.27 20:29:31 - [40] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: You know this could end up being a gateway to having to actually do the things you skill for in order to build SP for it. Yes, that's what I'm worried about. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Lathael Liga der aussergewoehnlichen Tattergreise Evictus. 32	Posted - 2016.05.27 22:42:14 - [41] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: There are so few true -10ers in the world (http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status) it's just not worth giving up our highly coveted status as the elite of the elite for a few measly skillpoints each day. Thanks but no thanks, you'd have done better to make it interactions with players rather than rats. With that in mind I have come up with a way to undo the damage being done by dailies, while at the same time showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves. Kill every t3 you find. When you die in a T3 you lose 1 rank the subsystem highest skill (people usually have them at V, but I've found people running round with it all at lvl I before). Let's assume it's a V skill for now. All the subsystem skills are rank 1, so that's 210k sp to get from rank IV to V. If you commit to killing 1 t3 cruiser every 21 days (per account), you'll be doing your part to fight skillpoint inflation, having destroyed 21 days worth of SP from dailies. If you kill more, you'll be doing the economy a favour and making your own sp even more valuable. If you don't hunt t3's (also accepting skillpoint injector kills where the loot fairy takes the injector) then you have no right to complain. The mechanic of current t3 bc is under review by CCP and may change in the future.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7731	Posted - 2016.05.27 23:39:20 - [42] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: You know this could end up being a gateway to having to actually do the things you skill for in order to build SP for it. Yes, that's what I'm worried about. We must never forget Malcanis' Law. When you running for CSM again? Just kidding. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1234	Posted - 2016.05.27 23:43:41 - [43] - Quote Malcanis for CSM! Logic and Rationality must come back with him talking down idiots! Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 905	Posted - 2016.05.28 00:06:33 - [44] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Just for the record that doesnt seem to be a real list of all the folk who are minus 10. None of my alliancemates are on it and we are all -10 or close to it. As for myself, i'm -.99 - I just cant seem to get over that last little bit no matter how many people I shoot in the face. There's rounded down to -10, and there's -10 to down to 14 decimal places. The former is rather easy, a day of podding or a couple of disco's in jita will do it. The latter is the mark of a pvp god.
Kyra Lee Ixian Machines F-I-N-K and Co. 98	Posted - 2016.05.28 02:20:19 - [45] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Why did SP inflation become a problem now but wasn't before? Each day, even if every single account get their daily done, more SP is created out of thin air adding to the already large pool of total SP in the game by regular passive training than by the opportunity payout. Why didn't people cry about inflation back then? People did complain. When the training skills were removed and everyone was given increased attribute points people brought up how that was going to increase the number of SP being introduced into the game. Quite a few people did not train the learning skills to max due to the long payoff time of around 2 years. When the playing field was leveled and everyone had the same amount of attribute points that greatly increased the amount of available SP in the game. It also helped to create the issue that we have today of so many older pilots having lots more SP than the newer pilots. Had CCP not removed learning skills and not increased everyone's attribute points we would have an overall less amount of SP in the game today. There would still be the elite few that have max learning and max implants for max SP gain but the majority of the player base would have less SP overall and the gap between newb and average player would be smaller.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17752	Posted - 2016.05.28 08:48:58 - [46] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Malcanis wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: You know this could end up being a gateway to having to actually do the things you skill for in order to build SP for it. Yes, that's what I'm worried about. We must never forget Malcanis' Law. When you running for CSM again? Just kidding. It's "from", not 'for'. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
elitatwo Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance 1225	Posted - 2016.05.28 09:18:35 - [47] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: ...There's rounded down to -10, and there's -10 to down to 14 decimal places. The former is rather easy, a day of podding or a couple of disco's in jita will do it. The latter is the mark of a pvp god. That made my weekend.. You almost have an idea what a good pvper is. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 238	Posted - 2016.05.28 13:07:04 - [48] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: There are so few true -10ers in the world (http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status) it's just not worth giving up our highly coveted status as the elite of the elite for a few measly skillpoints each day. Thanks but no thanks, you'd have done better to make it interactions with players rather than rats. With that in mind I have come up with a way to undo the damage being done by dailies, while at the same time showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves. Kill every t3 you find. When you die in a T3 you lose 1 rank the subsystem highest skill (people usually have them at V, but I've found people running round with it all at lvl I before). Let's assume it's a V skill for now. All the subsystem skills are rank 1, so that's 210k sp to get from rank IV to V. If you commit to killing 1 t3 cruiser every 21 days (per account), you'll be doing your part to fight skillpoint inflation, having destroyed 21 days worth of SP from dailies. If you kill more, you'll be doing the economy a favour and making your own sp even more valuable. If you don't hunt t3's (also accepting skillpoint injector kills where the loot fairy takes the injector) then you have no right to complain. LOL. I don't recall. Did anyone ask you? Thanks for the personal information, just the same. Can't have too much digital detritus it seems. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 10272	Posted - 2016.05.28 15:29:02 - [49] - Quote Quote: How to fix the skillpoint inflation problem: I'm scratching my head, here. As far as I can tell, there is no problem. One random saying there's a problem does not mean it is one. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 915	Posted - 2016.05.29 03:33:30 - [50] - Quote Similarly, one person denying the problem won't make it go away, and the guy that claimed extractors helped, is wrong, they hurt too. Sure they turn 500k to 400k or less. But that's 500k of useless SP to 400k of useful SP. It's a net gain in terms of utility, as the players involved are concerned, else they'd not do it.
Revman Zim Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 280	Posted - 2016.05.29 05:29:57 - [51] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Similarly, one person denying the problem won't make it go away, and the guy that claimed extractors helped, is wrong, they hurt too. Sure they turn 500k to 400k or less. But that's 500k of useless SP to 400k of useful SP. It's a net gain in terms of utility, as the players involved are concerned, else they'd not do it. I think you are making assumptions on what is useful and useless. Without metrics on WHICH skills are being extracted and injected your statement has no merit. Skill points are valuable no matter where they reside. It is a statement of fact that the extractor/injector system removes SP from the game.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 917	Posted - 2016.05.29 06:52:17 - [52] - Quote If they were more (note the comparative) valuable where they were, more than where they ended up, the extraction: / injection would not have happened.
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 240	Posted - 2016.05.29 07:57:09 - [53] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: ...When we add value considerations however, tge amount of useful sp is increasing as a result of this change. LOL. (So typical of you.) When "we" add your delusion to "our" thinking we see things your way. IFTFY. You extract half a million. Your injector contains 300K. That's a loss of 200K. I bet your math teachers loved you. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 917	Posted - 2016.05.29 08:35:40 - [54] - Quote My economics professor loves me
Coralas Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.05.29 15:09:19 - [55] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Similarly, one person denying the problem won't make it go away, and the guy that claimed extractors helped, is wrong, they hurt too. Sure they turn 500k to 400k or less. But that's 500k of useless SP to 400k of useful SP. It's a net gain in terms of utility, as the players involved are concerned, else they'd not do it. The useful skillpoints would generally be moved to younger characters. Which is a good thing, not a bad thing. I myself have 4.7m of SP, and I've earned enough isk with this character to inject 2.5m of those skill points. Reality is most players sub to the game for less than a year, and the new system lets them if they so desire, do more things in the game within that time (which should actually lead to longer, not shorter subs).
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2885	Posted - 2016.05.29 18:24:41 - [56] - Quote OP could Biomass and get quite a lot of SP out of the complete pool if he/she think it's important to reduce the total amount of SP in the game. Can even buy character from the bazaar just to Biomass their useful SP back into thin air.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 920	Posted - 2016.05.30 05:50:24 - [57] - Quote Except that I'm going to be huntings t3s now, like being carbon neutral, I can have SP so long as I offset it with ethical kills.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1675	Posted - 2016.05.30 06:18:02 - [58] - Quote Can't see the problem, vets like me are using it to improve our alts, 5h 30m of SP is not to be sniffed at in terms of alt development Do you seriously need additional entitlements to go blap a bling fitted mission Tengu, I have to wonder about you CODE chaps and chappets... COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 922	Posted - 2016.05.30 11:07:27 - [59] - Quote What entitlements? Huh? I'm stating what I WILL be doing to help the economy, I'm not asking for anything from CCP. I'm just asking other who share my concerns to join me in this noble endeavour. If you want to destroy the environment or economy, I suppose that's your right, I'm just here trying to do the right thing.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1675	Posted - 2016.05.30 11:22:04 - [60] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: What entitlements? Huh? I'm stating what I WILL be doing to help the economy, I'm not asking for anything from CCP. I'm just asking other who share my concerns to join me in this noble endeavour. If you want to destroy the environment or economy, I suppose that's your right, I'm just here trying to do the right thing. Sorry, I should have said "reasons", but please continue, its a step up I guess. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.

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