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Baun
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Posted - 2007.02.27 19:36:00 -
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As I understand it Seleene is trying to imply the following
1) They are and always have been neutral
2) They were provoked by Northern forces and but for being "paid" in this contract and their "attacks", they would not be in the war.
So Seleene, please explain why Waagaa's Aeon was sitting in the middle of a BoB Dread fleet in ED- over 1 week ago as BoB shot an IRON POS. Note of course, that ED- is not a system that has seen any AAA activity nor is it a system that has any MC assets in it.
The responses so far to this have been:
1) From Seleene; "I don't know who "waarga" is and do not imply we were guarding anything" - Note I mispelled Waagaa as Waarga while accurately giving him the ship type.
2) From Waagaa; something along the lines of "I like condoms, was I guarding their bodies like a condom?"
Care to actually clarify what appears to be obvious confirmation that you have been working to help BoB against entities that you claim were neutral to you at the time of your help?
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.02.27 20:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Alowishus
3) All the whiners and smacktalkers in this thread are merely jealous or afraid.
Can anyone explain to me why this announcement would cause anyone to be afraid? The MC was already fighting the Northern Coalition, at best this announcement is an underwhelming overdramatized confirmation of something that was already readily observable.
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Baun
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.27 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Baun
Originally by: Alowishus
3) All the whiners and smacktalkers in this thread are merely jealous or afraid.
Can anyone explain to me why this announcement would cause anyone to be afraid?
I don't think D2 wanted to fight BoB. Why would they? A handful of PvP corps leftover from G and a bunch of industrialists. They will soon prove they can quickly build a massive number of large ships and lose them just as quickly. Honestly, ASCN > D2, and look how that turned out.
So D2 didnt want to fight BoB yet they took an entire front of this war on their backs?
D2 is just a bunch of industrialists yet along with us we are holding on two fronts against BoB and MC and not getting pushed back?
Wake up man. MC was already in this war. No one is afraid of their entrance because they already entered.
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Baun
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.27 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 27/02/2007 21:04:47
Originally by: Mattduk
They are mercs.
They don't care what you think.
They don't care that you do not believe them to be neutral.
They kill for money.
Actually, this is dead wrong.
We are supposed to be their potential clients. Clients hire mercenaries and expect results because mercenaries are supposed to be motivated only by money and their commitment to their professional reputation.
A majority of the alliances (i.e potential clients) of MC no longer believe that they are motivated by money. This renders these alliances unwilling to hire MC while they believe this. MC HAS to care about how people percieve teir neutrality because that neutrality is the basis upon which they are hired.
The very problem is that they do not kill for money. They kill for BoB('s money?).
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Baun
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 28/02/2007 04:13:55
Originally by: Vily
You claim that AAA is not part of the coalition. Yet, you have actively supported the coalition more than MC has assisted BOB's allies. You must be addressed as part of the coalition because you act as a third front of attack.
This makes no sense.
MC sent a mothership to guard a BoB dread fleet shooting an IRON (read coalition) POS in a system that no AAA pilots had been fighting in, much less POS fighting in.
I have spent probably 48 actual hours just doing POS related fighting since the war started and I can't recall even seeing an AAA pilot in the same system with me (except probably in Jita or Agil) much less in the same gang with me.
MC has been actively present against the coalition in Querious since well before this announcement, while AAA has been almost exclusively fighting in other regions. Yet, you insist that they were somehow more a part of the fighting with the coalition than MC was?
Furthermore, how can you simultaneously claim that AAA attacking you in period basis represents a "third front in the war" and claim to have been (or to still be) neutral? If you were neutral then when they attacked you they entered into an entirely separate conflict from the one between BoB and the north. That AAA also shot BoB should be completely irrelevant to you if you are neutral to BoB.
How can you possibly claim to be neutral and claim that AAA's attack on your space represents a third front of the coalition's attack against an entity that you claim not to be a part of?
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vily
It makes complete sense.
I do not know what Waagaa's intention's were with the Mothership and the BOB fleet were. I was not there and can make no claims to what happened. However the exception to the rule is not the standard. that is the exception unless you can provide me with another example.
So you *were* neutral when you mothership guarded a BoB fleet defending against an attack by an entity that had nothing to do with your conflict against AAA?
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AAA has not as far as I am aware assisted recently in the coalitions efforts in querious. yet they were there at the start correct? a full fleet of them if i recall. Just because they have no assisted you does not mean they are not fighting along the same side as you.
Similiar just because MC was not engaged in widespread offensive action against the coalition in querious does not mean that you were not fighting alongside BoB the entire time. See above.
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There is not a single kill on the MC killboard in querious. (aside from ppl warping to our POS) not a single one.
Here again is where you make no sense. Let us follow the logic here.
MC has a small POS in 9cg, which is a BoB owned system in Querious. That POS was set to shoot the northern coalition pilots yet was set not to shoot BoB or FIX.
If you were neutral why was the POS not set to shoot everyone or to shoot no one? As you said yourself it shot and killed at least a few northern players but it did nothing to the FIX and BoB who went near it.
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we have not been involved in fighting querious. so yes, what i insist is 100% correct.
So the presence of motherships in hostile capital fleets belonging to BoB and POS(s) which are set to shoot one side and not the other is not involvement? But, AAA passing through the region at the beggining is involvement?
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I make that claim because AAA attacked MC for two days then moved into Delve. we have the occassional raiding party into j8 now and then, but thats about it. AAA has focused their efforts on BOB almost exclusively since we recharged our POS over a week ago. no AAA member will deny this i think. That is why i made the assertion of a third front on BOB.
So AAA which originally entered the war by attacking the Mc and then who chose to attack BoB as well is somehow more partisan than the MC which fought with BoB against the northern forces unprovoked the entire time?
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If you will carefully read my post. you will not see me making the assertiong that MC is nuetral. Now that we are in this conflict we are in it. Before this, we were doing our best to be nuetral by not engaging in offensive warfare against any of the parties who had not fully made their intention 100% clear to us.
Explain why your 40 billion isk ship was helping BoB and why you had standings set so that your POSs would should only our side and not their side and/or why you had POSs in relevant Querious systems at all. You were never neutral, you never have been and this is all highly disingenuous BS that treats your potential clients like complete morons.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.02.28 05:28:00 -
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If MC can continue to make the same false statements then I can continue to ask the same questions in relation to those statements until they are answered.
Not sure why you had the need to post anything at all.
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