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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:15:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Too be fair CSS is a pain in the ass... Seriously need to come up with something better. Look at the iterations of CSS v. HTML and other web code. I mean come on! I suppose all interface designing stuff is stupid, but really CSS is not intuitive in the least.
I wonder if this is because programs don't care about such things... "Stupid users! What do you mean you want a button? Just type in the friggin command!"
I can't agree
while CSS has some cross-browser quirks to deal with, it has really made coding so much less of a chore, at least for me
nothing like digging through 800 lines of PHP full of old fashioned style declarations in the tags.
have a style for an element that appears on 10 different pages?, you make one class on one style sheet to control it all
its basically
class or id name {
do stuff;
do more stuff;
do this too;
}
and that's all she wrote
I love it!
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Little Delicious
Imperium's Dark Legion
40
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:20:00 -
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Ya dude, like web development is totally about the htmls. They need to learn how to set up their TR and TD tags right for them thar tables to work :B |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
87
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:20:00 -
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K Suri wrote:if your life is so much the poorer simply because of a buggy forum then you lead a charmed life indeed. Indeed I do, so they best fix them. And it's missing features as well as buggy, for the record.
Re: CSS, CSS is god-tier, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know how to use it.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:26:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:
Re: CSS, CSS is god-tier, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know how to use it.
Not empty quotin'
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
546
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:31:00 -
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I like how threads don't update properly when people actually make posts.
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K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
97
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:35:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:K Suri wrote:if your life is so much the poorer simply because of a buggy forum then you lead a charmed life indeed. Indeed I do, so they best fix them. And it's missing features as well as buggy, for the record. Re: CSS, CSS is god-tier, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know how to use it.
"Missing features" is subjective. I'd hate to think half of the forum bitching is because of the feature list or lack thereof. They just aren't the same thing. Sometimes vanilla is just so much better.
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days. Repeatedly fighting cross-CSS/browser issues as far back as Netscape days made me change career paths. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
87
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:40:00 -
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K Suri wrote:"Missing features" is subjective. Not really. Compare this to any standard forum software. Look at what this one doesn't have. There you go.
I mean, ffs, it doesn't even support images. The forum doesn't even have to do anything to support images. Yet somehow it doesn't.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:40:00 -
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K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate
True Reign
119
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:44:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:it is scary to imagine that the people who created the forums share a building with the guys in charge of multithreading python in a bleeding edge supercomputer
guy that coded forums - oops i spilled my beer on this sever stack here and it fried everything what kinda information did it hold?
Smart CCP dev - o just all the information related to all accounts over 6 years old.
guy that coded forums - so all the bitter vet toons are gone?
Smart CCP Dev - yea we keep there here to make sure nothing happened to them
guy that coded forums - o well just give them all a free monical and 20000 Aurm and tell them to HTFU
Smart CCP Dev - *feet kicking wildly as he hangs him self with a bundle of fiber-optic wires
Guy that coded forums - looks like i'm in charge now!
"" image of cCCP HQ in ruin with the smoking wreckage of there home town in ruins but enraged bitter-vets**
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
574
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft.
though it pains me to say it, I'm actually having more troubles with firefox being too liberal in it's interpretations of gimpy code, like improperly nested tags and incorrect positioning of elements
explorer actually shows you that you screwed up, firefox tends to hide it now so you think everything is A-OK, that is until you validate or run it in explorer.
I consider all browsers to be the devil
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
97
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:50:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:K Suri wrote:"Missing features" is subjective. Not really. Compare this to any standard forum software. Look at what this one doesn't have. There you go. I mean, ffs, it doesn't even support images. The forum doesn't even have to do anything to support images. Yet somehow it doesn't.
Images is a feature and really, forums are about what you write yeah? And "standard". Who defines a standard? Unless "standard" is now a metaphor for "same"?
As an aside, any coder will tell you that HTML is an after the fact delivery. Gank issues etc. are not a HTML or CSS problem. Let's face it, even the gank page is HTML - served hot with chilled CSS as a side dish. |
Ione Dee
Lucror Commerce Investment Corporation
5
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:51:00 -
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I was reading this thread and thinking about how I never have issues with the forums. Then I clicked on page 2 and got ganked. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
87
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:51:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Images is a feature and really, forums are about what you write yeah? And "standard". Who defines a standard? Unless "standard" is now a metaphor for "same"? Yes images is a feature. The de facto standard is defined by pretty much every other piece of forum software out there.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
574
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:53:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:K Suri wrote:Images is a feature and really, forums are about what you write yeah? And "standard". Who defines a standard? Unless "standard" is now a metaphor for "same"? Yes images is a feature. The de facto standard is defined by pretty much every other piece of forum software out there.
not empty quotin
and suri, nobody said the ganks were a result of bad code, I'd say it was more of a secure sockets issue than anything relating to the physical page code.
but ganks are just another bit on the rubbish heap composed of gimpy code
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
97
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:55:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft.
Dang. You had to go and say THAT word. Now I gone and got all sweaty and sufferin' anxiety attacks all over again. Off to see my shrink before I contact my client to explain wtf happened. 
And Morgs. Oh yeah baby. Used to be tough enough with just Netscape and THAT company. Then FF came in and some other random browsers and turned me into a quivering vegetable. Had to buy a new HD just to run all the damn browsers to check CSS padding! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:58:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Doc Fury wrote:K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft. though it pains me to say it, I'm actually having more troubles with firefox being too liberal in it's interpretations of gimpy code, explorer actually shows you that you screwed up, firefox tends to hide it now so you think everything is A-OK, that is until you validate or run it in explorer. I consider all browsers to be the devil
Yeah quirks-mode in all browsers is a 2 edged sword for sure. FF has a Mac-like tendency to "help you" when it is not wanted. IE's lack of CSS 2 & 3 features and fast and loose interpretation of ECMAScript are my biggest complaints. I only load IE now to test final work, and then only inside a VM
Once I started doing just about everything in Chrome making use of its developers tools I cut my x-browser debug time by at least half.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
574
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:58:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Doc Fury wrote:K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft. Dang. You had to go and say THAT word. Now I gone and got all sweaty and sufferin' anxiety attacks all over again. Off to see my shrink before I contact my client to explain wtf happened. And Morgs. Oh yeah baby. Used to be tough enough with just Netscape and THAT company. Then FF came in and some other random browsers and turned me into a quivering vegetable. Had to buy a new HD just to run all the damn browsers to check CSS padding!
I miss the old days when all I had to do was configure dial strings on trumpet winsock so people could DL **** from BBS sites over Z-modem....
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
97
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:59:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:K Suri wrote:Images is a feature and really, forums are about what you write yeah? And "standard". Who defines a standard? Unless "standard" is now a metaphor for "same"? Yes images is a feature. The de facto standard is defined by pretty much every other piece of forum software out there.
Hey, I agree. What I was trying to establish is the difference between "faulty" and "featureless".
Although, in my experience, people flock to what's different these days. And for mine, a forum NOT full of everybody's pet dog photos and 1/2 page of sig bullshit is a GOOD thing.
So there ya go  |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
69
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:59:00 -
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Ione Dee wrote:I was reading this thread and thinking about how I never have issues with the forums. Then I clicked on page 2 and got ganked.
LOL! Then I thought, that is what this is all about and zero. zero, none, null, nada nucka dev response on this, while it is quite annoying and hitting probably all of us.
Not that I expect a response near Christmas but some response, any even would be nice? |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
97
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:01:00 -
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Morganta wrote:K Suri wrote:Doc Fury wrote:K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft. Dang. You had to go and say THAT word. Now I gone and got all sweaty and sufferin' anxiety attacks all over again. Off to see my shrink before I contact my client to explain wtf happened. And Morgs. Oh yeah baby. Used to be tough enough with just Netscape and THAT company. Then FF came in and some other random browsers and turned me into a quivering vegetable. Had to buy a new HD just to run all the damn browsers to check CSS padding! I miss the old days when all I had to do was configure dial strings on trumpet winsock so people could DL **** from BBS sites over Z-modem.... no wait....
omg. I thought you was a young thing. BBS? Sheesh. You'd remember SLIP on 300bps then? "Shall we play a game"? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
88
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:03:00 -
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K Suri wrote:a forum NOT full of everybody's pet dog photos and 1/2 page of sig bullshit is a GOOD thing. So there ya go Well, as long as you like it, everything is fine.
Oh wait, no.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:05:00 -
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Morganta wrote:K Suri wrote:Doc Fury wrote:K Suri wrote:
And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.
Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft. Dang. You had to go and say THAT word. Now I gone and got all sweaty and sufferin' anxiety attacks all over again. Off to see my shrink before I contact my client to explain wtf happened. And Morgs. Oh yeah baby. Used to be tough enough with just Netscape and THAT company. Then FF came in and some other random browsers and turned me into a quivering vegetable. Had to buy a new HD just to run all the damn browsers to check CSS padding! I miss the old days when all I had to do was configure dial strings on trumpet winsock so people could DL **** from BBS sites over Z-modem.... no wait....
Real men took chances and used Ymodem-G 
I don't miss my $600/mo phone bills from running a multi-line BBS.
/adjusts onion on belt.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
97
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:05:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Ione Dee wrote:I was reading this thread and thinking about how I never have issues with the forums. Then I clicked on page 2 and got ganked. LOL! Then I thought, that is what this is all about and zero. zero, none, null, nada nucka dev response on this, while it is quite annoying and hitting probably all of us. Not that I expect a response near Christmas but some response, any even would be nice?
I think you'll find griping about the forums is soooo yesterday for CCP and everybody else here.
This has turned into a reminiscing thread instead  |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
200
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:06:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I miss the old days when all I had to do was configure dial strings on trumpet winsock so people could DL **** from BBS sites over Z-modem....
no wait....
Wow. You must be at LEAST my age to even know what that is!
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
575
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:11:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Morganta wrote:I miss the old days when all I had to do was configure dial strings on trumpet winsock so people could DL **** from BBS sites over Z-modem....
no wait.... Wow. You must be at LEAST my age to even know what that is!
my current age the same as the answer to the big question about life, the universe, and everything 
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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