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Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 567	Posted - 2011.12.19 15:47:00 - [1] - Quote poor poor poor The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 61	Posted - 2011.12.19 15:48:00 - [2] - Quote Its because HTML is not a real word like video or games. That is why it causes confusion so easily.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 567	Posted - 2011.12.19 15:51:00 - [3] - Quote rodyas wrote: Its because HTML is not a real word like video or games. That is why it causes confusion so easily. those bloody acronyms... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2011.12.19 15:55:00 - [4] - Quote or maybe its because people who develop the game are not the same to those who ****** up forums... As i believe they are not even part of CCP but some 3rd party hired by CCP to do this... But i dont know for sure*
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 327	Posted - 2011.12.19 15:58:00 - [5] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: or maybe its because people who develop the game are not the same to those who ****** up forums... As i believe they are not even part of CCP but some 3rd party hired by CCP to do this... But i dont know for sure* Thought Eve forums was made by the same people who made Eve Gate, which are all in house. They may have outsourced a bit but its still as ****** as Eve Gate is.
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 69	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:00:00 - [6] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: or maybe its because people who develop the game are not the same to those who ****** up forums... As i believe they are not even part of CCP but some 3rd party hired by CCP to do this... But i dont know for sure* Yeah I got a strong feeling they outsourced it and are now stuck with it without any support. Oh, by the way; WE GOT GANKED!
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:01:00 - [7] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Thought Eve forums was made by the same people who made Eve Gate, which are all in house. They may have outsourced a bit but its still as ****** as Eve Gate is. Could be, dont know i never used EVEgate before.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 327	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:02:00 - [8] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: Thought Eve forums was made by the same people who made Eve Gate, which are all in house. They may have outsourced a bit but its still as ****** as Eve Gate is. Could be, dont know i never used EVEgate before. Guess what? Your using it now
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 83	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:11:00 - [9] - Quote The mind boggles at how terrible these forums are. In retrospect, the old forums were awesome. I hope everyone involved was part of the 20%, and they remain unemployed for a long, long time, so they can think about what they've done. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Jask Avan Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:17:00 - [10] - Quote I posted a thread on this advising what they should do with said people, but they deleted it. :(
De'Veldrin Element 27 Intrepid Crossing 121	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:48:00 - [11] - Quote Jask Avan wrote: I posted a thread on this advising what they should do with said people, but they deleted it. :( Don't be fooled. They deleted the thread because they just don't like you, not because of the content. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 156	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:53:00 - [12] - Quote it is scary to imagine that the people who created the forums share a building with the guys in charge of multithreading python in a bleeding edge supercomputer
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 200	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:01:00 - [13] - Quote You guys should actually design a website based on your OWN CMS system. This ain't WordPress, jackoffs. The type of security / authentication interfacing w/ the API they have goin' on here is pretty impressive. The site looks great. If you think all you need to know is HTML to pull this off you've gone full-****. One should never go full-**. People use pre-packaged CMS systems like PHP-BB and WordPress or the killboards and they think they know thing one about designing a site. That smack is funny to me. All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \|** <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 579	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:05:00 - [14] - Quote These forums are a modified version of the open-source YAF ( http://yetanotherForum.Net ). See blog : http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=902 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 200	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:18:00 - [15] - Quote Akita T wrote: These forums are a modified version of the open-source YAF ( http://yetanotherForum.Net ). See blog : http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=902 Fair enough, but it isn't stock. Application development was required to pull this off. Getting YAF to interface w/ the API and populate it's DB w/ every EvE user had to be a big project in and of itself. The security considerations alone seem like a huge headache. All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 28	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:28:00 - [16] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: The mind boggles at how terrible these forums are. In retrospect, the old forums were awesome. I hope everyone involved was part of the 20%, and they remain unemployed for a long, long time, so they can think about what they've done. Especially since they proudly claimed it was the culmination of 70000+ man hours of development work, only to have to take it down for another 6 months to fix all the security holes. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 570	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:40:00 - [17] - Quote Gogela wrote: You guys should actually design a website based on your OWN CMS system. This ain't WordPress, jackoffs. The type of security / authentication interfacing w/ the API they have goin' on here is pretty impressive. The site looks great. If you think all you need to know is HTML to pull this off you've gone full-****. One should never go full-****. People use pre-packaged CMS systems like PHP-BB and WordPress or the killboards and they think they know thing one about designing a site. That smack is funny to me. yup, overblown infrastructure is whats screwing the pooch here, we'd all be better off of they switched to wordpress. and impressive is only impressive if it WORKS. I can build a saturn V in my backyard, but nobody is going to care if it doesn't fly. frankly I'd rather have working forums than yet another way to check in on my toons while I'm not playing, which is all evegate provides, and honestly there are other apps out there that do a better job than bloated, buggy, eve-gate and for the record "jackoff" if these guys are go flippin great at coding, why is it they don't even have their headers correct? why are they mixing latin and utf-8 across the site and then not declaring the language? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 200	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:12:00 - [18] - Quote Morganta wrote: yup, overblown infrastructure is whats screwing the pooch here, we'd all be better off of they switched to wordpress. and impressive is only impressive if it WORKS. I can build a saturn V in my backyard, but nobody is going to care if it doesn't fly. frankly I'd rather have working forums than yet another way to check in on my toons while I'm not playing, which is all evegate provides, and honestly there are other apps out there that do a better job than bloated, buggy, eve-gate and for the record "jackoff" if these guys are so flippin great at coding, why is it they don't even have their headers correct? why are they mixing latin and utf-8 across the site and then not declaring the language? why do they display links in a manner that makes them unusable? Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant. My guess would be that there is a problem with invalid byte sequences under certain circumstances when translating things from the API, maybe having to do with different languages / character set (multi-byte asian sets for example) under the API which might otherwise render a n++ under UTF-8. Also, as I understand it if you try to make UTF-8 handle all of that, than the byte length in the database goes from like 1-5 to 10-50 even for common cases. That could be a problem for site performance (obviously) but I wonder what it would do to Tranq's performance because the Forums do interface w/ the Tranq DB 2-ways. I would say Unicode would be best given what I see in people's bios character-wise. I don't know though. It depends on how tranq's database is set up. I would imagine if I'm wrong about everything I just said we would find the answer on tranq's DB as to why they use mixed encoding. ^ Really going out on a limb. Guessing. All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Messoroz AQUILA INC 83	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:19:00 - [19] - Quote Morganta wrote: Gogela wrote: You guys should actually design a website based on your OWN CMS system. This ain't WordPress, jackoffs. The type of security / authentication interfacing w/ the API they have goin' on here is pretty impressive. The site looks great. If you think all you need to know is HTML to pull this off you've gone full-****. One should never go full-****. People use pre-packaged CMS systems like PHP-BB and WordPress or the killboards and they think they know thing one about designing a site. That smack is funny to me. yup, overblown infrastructure is whats screwing the pooch here, we'd all be better off of they switched to wordpress. and impressive is only impressive if it WORKS. I can build a saturn V in my backyard, but nobody is going to care if it doesn't fly. frankly I'd rather have working forums than yet another way to check in on my toons while I'm not playing, which is all evegate provides, and honestly there are other apps out t Most apps are desktop apps designed by idiots who have no ideals of optimization and make unattractive interfaces for those that don't live in spreadsheets.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 263	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:22:00 - [20] - Quote If integration with Eve Gate is the problem then I would have to ask should the forum be apart of eve-gate? I'm not really seeing any advantage of having it so. There's no added features that I'm familiar with though I'll admit I'm not a forum warrior. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 573	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:22:00 - [21] - Quote Gogela wrote: [quote=Morganta] Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant. it is when you define it correctly as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD right click and look at the page source The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 200	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:26:00 - [22] - Quote Morganta wrote: Gogela wrote: Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant. it is when you define it correctly as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD right click and look at the page source Ah... right you are. Yah... OK that makes no sense to me. That is just weird. All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 87	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:27:00 - [23] - Quote Gogela wrote: You guys should actually design a website based on your OWN CMS system. This ain't WordPress, jackoffs. The type of security / authentication interfacing w/ the API they have goin' on here is pretty impressive. The site looks great. If you think all you need to know is HTML to pull this off you've gone full-****. One should never go full-***. People use pre-packaged CMS systems like PHP-BB and WordPress or the killboards and they think they know thing one about designing a site. That smack is funny to me. What's funny to me is your assumption that none of us have developed web software from scratch. I, for one, have. As for their 'amazin security' (which they had to recall the forum for months to fix), that (if their code is even remotely competent) is just a module that plugs into the forum, and thus has no bearing on the quality (or lack thereof) of the forum itself. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Sellendis The Ares project 32	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:28:00 - [24] - Quote The forum they were so proud off....72.000 man hours of work....in the end its an modified open-source that got delayed for 6 months for a security hole the size of Saturn`s ring. Not to mention "we gots ganked" almost constantly when browsing, and even worse when you try to post...gank..well goddammit..lets type again...o crap, timed-out text lost again. Work of art, really. We had a fully functioning forum, then we got a new one that looks better/worse (depending on people) and has a ton of issues. Progress CCP style :)
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 573	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:29:00 - [25] - Quote Gogela wrote: Morganta wrote: Gogela wrote: Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant. it is when you define it correctly as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD right click and look at the page source Ah... right you are. Yah... OK that makes no sense to me. That is just weird. w3c validator saved my life its now one of my primary tools when designing the validator alone indirectly fixes a solid 3/4s of my cross-browser compatibility issues in addition to my rampant typos. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 29	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:32:00 - [26] - Quote Morganta wrote: Gogela wrote: Morganta wrote: Gogela wrote: Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant. it is when you define it correctly as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD right click and look at the page source Ah... right you are. Yah... OK that makes no sense to me. That is just weird. w3c validator saved my life its now one of my primary tools when designing True dat. Combined with chrome's developer tools, it's hard these days to gimp HTML/CSS/JS code unless you are being lazy. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Esan Vartesa Samarkand Financial 60	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:48:00 - [27] - Quote The, uh, lack of perfection we see with these forums starts to make a whole lot more sense when you consider that the whole thing was built to be fully compatible with use on a PS3.
Seleia O'Sinnor Arklight Project Fade 2 Black 95	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:50:00 - [28] - Quote Funny this thread, looks like someone noticed that the websites of Eve Online are a roadkill accident, all in pieces: Evelopedia, Forums, Homepage and Account Management. And of course: Relaunching one of these will always result in proven features removed. HTTPS ftw! Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
SpaceSquirrels 31	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:30:00 - [29] - Quote Too be fair CSS is a pain in the ass... Seriously need to come up with something better. Look at the iterations of CSS v. HTML and other web code. I mean come on! I suppose all interface designing stuff is stupid, but really CSS is not intuitive in the least. I wonder if this is because programs don't care about such things... "Stupid users! What do you mean you want a button? Just type in the friggin command!"
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 97	Posted - 2011.12.19 20:11:00 - [30] - Quote stop whining about the freaking forums already! i sit on here for hours a day and get very few failures and when i do i just keep moving on. ctrl c ctrl v as habit (been doing that since year dot) and a modicum of patience goes a long way. if your life is so much the poorer simply because of a buggy forum then you lead a charmed life indeed.

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