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Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2638	Posted - 2016.06.01 05:06:34 - [1] - Quote Greetings, pilots! Today I wold like to discuss the demolition of Nouvelle Rouvenor, performed by culture preservation society known as Templis Dragonaurs almost 200 years ago. Nouvelle Rouvenor was an underwater city established by gallenteans on Caldari Prime. Some people claim that sabotage of this city has caused gallente to bombard the entire Caldari Prime and has started the war. But lets get into the history and analyze events happened before and after the attack, and try to answer the question if destruction of this city was necessary. 1. Did it start the war? This is a common misconception. The war began way earlier. After the Gallente Federation rejected Caldari people right to have voice in their own management of their own colonies, our ancestors decided to leave the Federation and live as they seem fit themselves, not by Federal, but by their own, Caldari laws. Gallente, who coerced Caldari earlier to join their Federation by economical pressure now were put before the fact the Caldari neither want nor will live by their laws. Feeling the power slipping out from them, gallente then went open with their intentions and tried to coerce Caldari by force to stay under gallenten oppression. They went war on us and blockaded Caldari Prime, gripping it hard with their warships. Both Caldari and Gallente alike on Caldari Prime became victims of Federal oppression. Before the Nouvelle Rouvenor was demolished its inhabitants were in same conditions Caldari in surface cities. Federal fascist with their war made suffer everyone on the planet, and their actions made quite a lot of people desperate. 2. Did it cause the bombardment of Caldari Prime? It is rather usual point of view that Caldari Prime was bombarded because a couple of desperate peoples blew up Nouvelle Rouvenor. But lets look what we already know about gallente. They are ruthless in their inhumane tactics and they are able to genocide people, even disregarding losses of their own kin. Take for example Noir's attack on Ishukone station in Malkalen. Or the recent operation Highlander. Gallente claimed that they did it to prevent titan shooting at Caldari Prime. But if it was really the case and the Shiigeru would shoot at Caldari Prime, it would do it as a reply to gallente attack. This leads to conclusion, if gallente believed the titan would indeed shoot doomsday on Caldari Prime they have attacked to provoke it to use doomsday on the planet, provided what they claim is true. Otherwise their attack had no sense, because to prevent it from shooting doomsday they shouldn't have attacked at all. Here we can see horrendous disdain to human lives from gallente side. But also we should note their propaganda, trying to hide and cover what they do with their usual rhetorics about freedoms and so called 'rights', that they violate themselves every time. Obviously they need this propaganda basically for themselves, because their population opinion make their elected clowns hold their positions. And bombardment of Caldari Prime with gallente city underwater could easily shatter the dome with charges detonating above. When Templis Dragonaurs destroyed the city themselves, they simply opened the way for gallente to bombard the planet without worrying to make up excuses about blowing up the city themselves, so they could do it without need of wasting millions on propaganda: there were mostly Caldari left on the planet, and obviously gallente citizens wouldn't care about their lives as much as they would about other gallente. But would these fascist bombard Caldari Prime even if Nouvelle Rouvenor wasn't destroyed? In my opinion, they would. 3. Was it an act of desperation or terror military action? I think I'll start with the latter. Caldari military doctrine lacks terror operations, and this is quite understandable: we are professionals, and terror is just a poor men war. Terror does not promote success of the campaign and there are no evidences from the history that it has ever succeded. Even when the war has started, the operation of destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor wasn't performed by Caldari military either. As for being just an act of desperation, this is very easy and possible explanation, taking into account how all peoples on Caldari Prime were oppressed by Gallentean fascism. However, there is one particular thing about who exactly have committed the demolition of Nouvelle Rouvenor. It were neither Caldari servicemen, nor suffered civilians. It were members of a culture preservance society. So, maybe there was something more than just desperation and military (including terror) operation? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2638	Posted - 2016.06.01 05:07:17 - [2] - Quote 4. Gallente cultural invasion. Since the first contact between Gallente and Caldari people Gallente were trying to promote and infest Caldari Prime with their culture instead of trying to understand ours. It is enough to realize their intention if you just look at the name of their expedition on Caldari Prime: it was called the CDS - Cultural Deliverance Society. What is worse, what gallente were calling culture was completely incompatible with our own, their customs and habits were highly amoral and inefficient. While we accepted some of their technological advances, we simply couldn't accept their deprived way of life, even while they were trying to push it into us hard. While it was just an expedition, it could be simply ignored, but with development of FTL communication the situation became way worse when gallente began to advocate their amoral way of life through media propaganda. I think it became quite obvious at that point that Caldari are resistant even to propaganda and brainwashing, and their FTL communication were only making our people more angry. At that point also Gallente started using different approach - physical replacement of Caldari culture by gallente by implanting of Gallente cultural enclaves. The largest of this enclaves was the Nouvelle Rouvenor - the whole underwater gallente city. We can see also further gallente attempts at replacing Caldari culture. One of the most obvious was repopulation of Caldari Prime by gallente peoples after we have evacuated the planet. We can find examples even in our time. The most notable, that gallenteans were trying to hide (but, luckily for us the information about this has leaked into media both in the State and Federation), is genocide of Caldari colonies in Black Rise and replacement of colonists with gallente citizens. Even after we liberate them from gallente occupation and return control over colonies, they still remain culturally gallentean. And of course most vivid cultural attack on Caldari from Gallente were events that has started the conflict again: racial attacks of gallente on Caldari Prime. Of course, there were a lot of victims of Caldari blood, and beating of Caldari protesters against gallente racism, but we should look carefully of what were exact targets of these gallentean racists. Again, luckily for us and historicians, these events were depicted in media in quite a lot of details. I hope we all remember gallente writings to "Exterminate Caldari", but what was way more noticeable, that they were defacing and destroying Caldari cultural and historical artefacts on Caldari Prime. 5. Conclusion. Gallente, who have started the war against Caldari 200 years ago and recently started it again 7 years ago were trying not just to conquer and dominate us, but also to destroy our culture and replace it with their own. They have declared Caldari culture preservance society 'Templis Dragonaurs' as terrorists only for their attempt to fight off gallente cultural invasion and have coerced Caldari corporations to accept this society as 'terrorists' in order to sign the peace treaty. Returning back to the original question of the discussion, my answer would be: yes. The demolition of the Nouvelle Rouvenor was necessary, it was an invasion and it was repelled. But looking back into the history we shall also learn lessons and look into future, becasue now we still have two issues that need to be solved: Templis Dragonaurs and Caldari Prime. First, Templis Dragonaurs should not be considered as terrorists anymore, becasue demolition of Nouvelle Rouvenor wasn't just a terror attack, besides that even if we accept gallentean propaganda and name it as a 'terror', TD hasn't committed terror acts since. Everyone who were involved in demolition of Nouvelle Rouvenor are long dead: it happened more than 200 years ago, thus not a single member of TD were involved in this operation. And second, there are still a lot of Gallente cultural enclaves on Caldari Prime. They are spreading like a cancer, forcing out healthy Caldari culture with gallentean amorality and indecency. And it is our duties to remove them, to cleanse them and free Caldari Prime from this filth. We must do what we have to do. Remove Gallente. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 450	Posted - 2016.06.01 05:19:09 - [3] - Quote Can you go back wherever you've been hiding the past couple of weeks? And no.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8384	Posted - 2016.06.01 05:59:50 - [4] - Quote No. What's more, the CEP has maintained that the Templis Dragonaur are a terrorist organization, even during Heth-guri's reign. As a loyal Caldari officer, you of course accept the CEP's ruling on this, right, Kim? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 87	Posted - 2016.06.01 06:19:10 - [5] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: No. What's more, the CEP has maintained that the Templis Dragonaur are a terrorist organization, even during Heth-guri's reign. As a loyal Caldari officer, you of course accept the CEP's ruling on this, right, Kim? Loyalty to the State does not equate to agreeing with everything they say. You should be aware that every State Officer, and every citizen, is both entitled and encouraged to have their own oppinion. We follow orders. But that does not mean we are mindless peons to an unfeeling Lord. We are dedicated to upholding the Ideals of the State. So while the CEP has stated such, we are not required to agree. Once you are forced to believe whatever you read in the media or only follow the party line you become traded 2ithing the confines of a prison built by your own stupidity. Take the Galente Federation for example. Their citizens are more worried about entertainment and what the media spoon feeds then than about what is truly going on. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2640	Posted - 2016.06.01 07:29:24 - [6] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: No. What's more, the CEP has maintained that the Templis Dragonaur are a terrorist organization, even during Heth-guri's reign. As a loyal Caldari officer, you of course accept the CEP's ruling on this, right, Kim? Loyalty to the State does not equate to agreeing with everything they say. You should be aware that every State Officer, and every citizen, is both entitled and encouraged to have their own oppinion. We follow orders. But that does not mean we are mindless peons to an unfeeling Lord. We are dedicated to upholding the Ideals of the State. So while the CEP has stated such, we are not required to agree. Once you are forced to believe whatever you read in the media or only follow the party line you become traded 2ithing the confines of a prison built by your own stupidity. Take the Galente Federation for example. Their citizens are more worried about entertainment and what the media spoon feeds then than about what is truly going on. Ms. Ivanovich, first of all I'd like to point out that Makoto shall not be considered as Caldari anymore. She is a well known liar, who have lost her honor when she cowardly denied to answer for her lies. Ref.: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 Second, I'd like to point on on similarities between Makoto and Nick Bete's answers, as being just "No"-s. And of course I agree that every citizen shall have their own opinion. We aren't brainwashed gallenteans, who shall praise freedom absent-mindedly, we can agree and disagree with anything superiors will say, we just have to follow orders and do our duty. (Which Makoto obviously doesn't do as well.) By calling to admit Templis Dragonaurs not being terrorists I did not violate any of orders, neither from CEP or any other of my superiors. Besides that, after the dissolution of CPD we don't have a government per se. The CEP hasn't replaced it with their own power and remained as what it was earlier - a consultative organ between megacorporations that establishes foreign policies. I am neither a megacorp CEO nor member of CEP corporation to follow any of their orders. If I will be a conflicting order from the Caldari Navy or State Protectorate, obviously I will execute orders given to me by CN or STPRO, but not CEP. Real government power in the State belongs to a megacorporation which citizen you are. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4204	Posted - 2016.06.01 08:00:57 - [7] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: We aren't brainwashed gallenteans, who shall praise freedom absent-mindedly, we can agree and disagree with anything superiors will say. Quite right. We have that freedom. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Anataine Deva University of Caille Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2016.06.01 08:21:02 - [8] - Quote Dear Ms Kim, I really wish we will meet each other one day in person, so I can do with you what some Gallente already should have done with you. Giving you a hug, a smile and then leaving you there in peace. Diana Kim wrote: But lets look what we already know about gallente. They are ruthless in their inhumane tactics and they are able to genocide people, even disregarding losses of their own kin. .... We must do what we have to do. Remove Gallente. It's sad to guess the shadows that darken your heart. To see your way of spreading hate, always looking for innocent Caldari to draw them with you down on your dark path. I can't say what really happened 200 or even 7 years ago. I wasn't there and I don't care. "The first casualty of War is Truth." You are fighting right now a war what doesn't make your accusations reliable. As a human I know that condemning children for the actions of their ancestors is wrong. Condemning a nation because of the actions of individuals is wrong. As a Gallente I like the Caldari, live with that. Give The BIG Lottery a try! - And give me your Fedos!!!
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 394	Posted - 2016.06.01 10:04:45 - [9] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: You should be aware that every State Officer, and every citizen, is both entitled and encouraged to have their own opinion. We follow orders. Right. At least some small part of what you say is true. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2641	Posted - 2016.06.01 10:23:52 - [10] - Quote Stitcher, why do you bring in chaos? I never said anything about chaos. We don't have that chaos or any other chaos. And I wasn't discussing chaos here. If you want to discuss chaos, maybe start another discussion? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2641	Posted - 2016.06.01 10:41:09 - [11] - Quote Anataine Deva wrote: I can't say what really happened 200 or even 7 years ago. I wasn't there and I don't care. "The first casualty of War is Truth." You are fighting right now a war what doesn't make your accusations reliable. As a human I know that condemning children for the actions of their ancestors is wrong. Condemning a nation because of the actions of individuals is wrong. Maybe I would agree with you if you said it before the war has started right after I had quite shocking personal interaction with gallente who opened my eyes on them and made me stopped thinking about them as of normal people. But since then I have seen quite a lot. Malkalen, Highlander, Caldari Prime racism and apartheid, genocide of Caldari colonists... You know, I don't actually condemn a nation anymore because of the actions of some individuals, but because of their policies and because of what they are doing currently at the same moment as we speak. I would like to advise you to take a ship with a probe scanner and head towards Black Rise (any high security system in the region will do). Find a gallente prison facility, infiltrate it, rescue any of Caldari captives, treat them and see what official Federal staff is doing to them. After you do this, I'll gladly meet you in person to discuss what you have seen. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anataine Deva University of Caille Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2016.06.01 12:03:14 - [12] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: You know, I don't actually condemn a nation anymore because of the actions of some individuals, but because of their policies and because of what they are doing currently at the same moment as we speak. Then support a peace process between our both nations as I do. Calling to a war that none of us can win is madness. If a person like you would show the people that change is possible, it might actually convince others to lay down their arms too. Diana Kim wrote: I would like to advise you to take a ship with a probe scanner and head towards Black Rise (any high security system in the region will do). Find a gallente prison facility, infiltrate it, rescue any of Caldari captives, treat them and see what official Federal staff is doing to them. I'm sure if you would do the same with a Caldari prison you would see exactly the same as I would. It's in the nature of war that it brings alive what under normal circumstances hides deep within each of us. Neither Caldari nor Gallente are any different in this regard. Fathers raping young women, old enough to be their daughters. Young men killing old women who could be their grandmothers... I spare you more details, you know them already. It's understandable that someone who witnessed such horrors is losing his faith and becomes what he despised. In such moments the weak separate from the strong. In those who use others atrocities as excuse to commit their own and those who actually do something to stop that soul eating beast. Despite personal losses or sensitivities. Give The BIG Lottery a try! - And give me your Fedos!!!
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4204	Posted - 2016.06.01 12:42:07 - [13] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Stitcher, why do you bring in chaos? I never said anything about chaos. We don't have that chaos or any other chaos. And I wasn't discussing chaos here. If you want to discuss chaos, maybe start another discussion? I don't know where you get your delusions, you dribbling human parody... AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1202	Posted - 2016.06.01 12:51:20 - [14] - Quote On a technicality you are discussing an event that caused chaos to the people who lived there....
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Therable Multicultural F1 Brigade 1907	Posted - 2016.06.01 13:39:55 - [15] - Quote Whilst I can understand your constant need for attention (and thus perceived relevance) how about you post something that isn't a direct copy-paste from the RUTV galnet domains with some change in nouns? Scrub.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1854	Posted - 2016.06.01 15:21:04 - [16] - Quote Oh, good, she's back. The echoes from her last visit were beginning to fade. Glad she's here to revive them.... < /sarcasm > Also, no Nouvelle Rouvenor's destruction was not necessary. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1854	Posted - 2016.06.01 15:25:43 - [17] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: But lets look what we already know about gallente. They are ruthless in their inhumane tactics and they are able to genocide people, even disregarding losses of their own kin. Take for example Noir's attack on Ishukone station in Malkalen. Or the recent operation Highlander. To date the Gallente have committed 0 acts of Genocide against the Caldari. For proof I offer the fact that the Caldari people are still around... And even have their own nation. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4206	Posted - 2016.06.01 16:08:45 - [18] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: To date the Gallente have committed 0 acts of Genocide against the Caldari. For proof I offer the fact that the Caldari people are still around... And even have their own nation. Well.... zero successful acts of genocide. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8386	Posted - 2016.06.01 16:42:28 - [19] - Quote Pilots; You'll notice I use the term 'accept,' rather than 'agree.' One can accept a thing without agreeing to it. As for dissent, well, that's a discussion for another day, as social mores will vary from corporation to corporation. As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2642	Posted - 2016.06.01 17:09:07 - [20] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots; You'll notice I use the term 'accept,' rather than 'agree.' One can accept a thing without agreeing with it. As for dissent, well, that's a discussion for another day, as social mores will vary from corporation to corporation. As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. However, the cituation that I will find myself in the area of operation of TD by accident is highly unlikely, and there's another option - that I was sent there to intercept a group. In that case I will engage TD vessels as well, but on condition that the targets will be specified explicitly (again, by a superior officer who will send me into the area), i.e. will be named as Templis Dragonaurs vessels, and not 'terrorist' or something like that. And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 280	Posted - 2016.06.01 17:23:20 - [21] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. All due respect, Kim, you are sick. You embody nothing of Raata--you have no honor and no soul. I don't know what you are, but you are not one of us. The fact that you continue to pretend to speak for all Caldari is a twisted joke that has gone on for far too long. I speak out of turn, but I speak hinmoniaa. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1430	Posted - 2016.06.01 17:50:57 - [22] - Quote I propose a Solution to this issue. We shall saw Gallente Prime in half, at the equator. Then both the State and Federation can have half. Also, saw Caldari Prime in half, at the equator. Again, both the State and Federation can have half. Then, join the top half of Gallente Prime to the bottom half of Caldari Prime, and vice versa. And et voil+á, or as the Gallente would say, there you go. Everyone's happy ! Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2642	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:20:54 - [23] - Quote Neph wrote: Diana Kim wrote: And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. All due respect, Kim, you are sick. You embody nothing of Raata--you have no honor and no soul. I don't know what you are, but you are not one of us. The fact that you continue to pretend to speak for all Caldari is a twisted joke that has gone on for far too long. I speak out of turn, but I speak hinmoniaa. If you speak of anything, it's not hinmoniaa, but a shameless gallente propaganda from the mouth of a primitive tribal, who will never be able to understand us. Yes, I am not one of YOU, I am not a primitive tribal like minmatars. I am Caldari. And if you dare to question my honor, at least do in in space in your ship. My honor, unlike yours, is not stained. Would you like to prove yours by meeting me in combat, or you just prefer barking like toothless gallentean petdog on forums? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 281	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:34:12 - [24] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Neph wrote: Diana Kim wrote: And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. All due respect, Kim, you are sick. You embody nothing of Raata--you have no honor and no soul. I don't know what you are, but you are not one of us. The fact that you continue to pretend to speak for all Caldari is a twisted joke that has gone on for far too long. I speak out of turn, but I speak hinmoniaa. If you speak of anything, it's not hinmoniaa, but a shameless gallente propaganda from the mouth of a primitive tribal, who will never be able to understand us. Yes, I am not one of YOU, I am not a primitive tribal like minmatars. I am Caldari. And if you dare to question my honor, at least do in in space in your ship. My honor, unlike yours, is not stained. Would you like to prove yours by meeting me in combat, or you just prefer barking like toothless gallentean petdog on forums? "Hinmoniaa" is not a noun, Kim. Do you even speak Napanii? I'm sorry. I've supported you before, but this time you've gone too far. That said, I have no desire to watch repeat the same argument again that you've had before before the public a thousand times. It'll do nothing for whatever scrap of a reputation you have left and I at least want to save you that. I'll PM you and we can finish this there. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4212	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:41:32 - [25] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. Translation: "Standing orders only apply when I agree with them." Although seriously, can we talk about the name "Templis Dragonaurs" for a second? For a Caldari supremacist organisation, they sure have a very un-Caldari name... AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1854	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:51:40 - [26] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: To date the Gallente have committed 0 acts of Genocide against the Caldari. For proof I offer the fact that the Caldari people are still around... And even have their own nation. Well.... zero successful acts of genocide. If you fail the act, then you can't say that you committed the act..... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 282	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:52:55 - [27] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Neph wrote: Diana Kim wrote: And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. All due respect, Kim, you are sick. You embody nothing of Raata--you have no honor and no soul. I don't know what you are, but you are not one of us. The fact that you continue to pretend to speak for all Caldari is a twisted joke that has gone on for far too long. I speak out of turn, but I speak hinmoniaa. If you speak of anything, it's not hinmoniaa, but a shameless gallente propaganda from the mouth of a primitive tribal, who will never be able to understand us. Yes, I am not one of YOU, I am not a primitive tribal like minmatars. I am Caldari. And if you dare to question my honor, at least do in in space in your ship. My honor, unlike yours, is not stained. Would you like to prove yours by meeting me in combat, or you just prefer barking like toothless gallentean petdog on forums? Actually, nevermind. There is no argument here. This libel ends now. Commander Kim, You are accusing me of spewing Gallente propaganda. You are accusing me of being a "primitive tribal". You accuse me of not understanding the Caldari people. You accuse me of not being Caldari. You accuse me of being a Gallentean petdog. All this, apparently, based upon my face alone. Kim, I have been in fleets with you against the Gallente. I have fought alongside you. I was born into the State and as Caldari. I rejected the Republic and returned to the State because this is my home and these are my people. I have not once failed to support my okusaika and my nation loyally as a proud citizen and I will continue to do so all my life. It's beyond absurd that I should have to face these completely groundless charges from another comrade. You are promoting the slaughter of civilians by terrorists because you hold your personal hatred more highly than the responsibility of upholding the honor of a Caldari officer. I condemn you not as a "Gallentean petdog" but as Caldari. How could my honor be stained when we look at yours? I am not breaking rank. You are a capsuleer in State Prot. I am a member of CSSYN. You have no authority over me. And no, I will not sacrifice your crew members to prove a point. I demand a public apology. Sincerely, Captain Nephal Khaborik ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1854	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:56:11 - [28] - Quote Shots fired? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4213	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:58:44 - [29] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: If you fail the act, then you can't say that you committed the act..... I can think of a few people who might argue that the mere fact an attempt was made is at least grounds for holding a small grudge... AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1854	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:04:35 - [30] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: If you fail the act, then you can't say that you committed the act..... I can think of a few people who might argue that the mere fact an attempt was made is at least grounds for holding a small grudge... What can I say, we are masters of one-upmanship..... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2642	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:11:31 - [31] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. Translation: "Standing orders only apply when I agree with them." Although seriously, can we talk about the name "Templis Dragonaurs" for a second? For a Caldari supremacist organisation, they sure have a very un-Caldari name... Translation: "Stitcher didn't understand what was said and instead of asking to clarify decided to troll." Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1855	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:17:42 - [32] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Stitcher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. Translation: "Standing orders only apply when I agree with them." Although seriously, can we talk about the name "Templis Dragonaurs" for a second? For a Caldari supremacist organisation, they sure have a very un-Caldari name... Translation: "Stitcher didn't understand what was said and instead of asking to clarify decided to troll." This is a Diana Kim thread, the only thing it's good for is trolling.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2642	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:24:46 - [33] - Quote Neph wrote: All this, apparently, based upon my face alone. Negative. This is based not upon "your face" at all, but on your actions, listed as: 1) Intervening into historical and philosophical discussion just to insult your superior. 2) Failing to defend your honor and not accepting a duel. (though it happened later, but I'll surely add this to your "deeds") Neither of these actions characterize you as Caldari. Neph wrote: I demand a public apology. Oh, what an irony, an offender dares to 'demand' an apology. I can say you just this: request denied. Though I'd like you to report to my quarters, so my boot will gladly show you your place, 'soldier'. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1856	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:29:10 - [34] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Though I'd like you to report to my quarters, so my boot will gladly show you your place, 'soldier'. I got 20 on Neph for this fight. Any takers? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 451	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:29:15 - [35] - Quote Anataine Deva wrote: Dear Ms Kim, I really wish we will meet each other one day in person, so I can do with you what some Gallente already should have done with you. Giving you a hug, a smile and then leaving you there in peace. Diana Kim wrote: But lets look what we already know about gallente. They are ruthless in their inhumane tactics and they are able to genocide people, even disregarding losses of their own kin. .... We must do what we have to do. Remove Gallente. It's sad to guess the shadows that darken your heart. To see your way of spreading hate, always looking for innocent Caldari to draw them with you down on your dark path. I can't say what really happened 200 or even 7 years ago. I wasn't there and I don't care. "The first casualty of War is Truth." You are fighting right now a war what doesn't make your accusations reliable. As a human I know that condemning children for the actions of their ancestors is wrong. Condemning a nation because of the actions of individuals is wrong. As a Gallente I like the Caldari, live with that. Your approach works better, but mine is more fun. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 284	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:32:36 - [36] - Quote @Diana I'll pick this up via PM. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1856	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:34:12 - [37] - Quote Neph wrote: @Diana I'll pick this up via PM. Wait, it was getting good! A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 451	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:34:55 - [38] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots; You'll notice I use the term 'accept,' rather than 'agree.' One can accept a thing without agreeing with it. As for dissent, well, that's a discussion for another day, as social mores will vary from corporation to corporation. As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. Shockingly barbaric and inhuman. I've teased you, messed with your head, toyed with you a bit, but I've never actually hated you. I think I'm starting to change my mind. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 284	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:39:16 - [39] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Neph wrote: @Diana I'll pick this up via PM. Wait, it was getting good! All due respect, Osyn, but while the Gallente may prefer to engage in public mud-slinging for the public's amusement, I will do no such thing. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1856	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:45:13 - [40] - Quote Neph wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Neph wrote: @Diana I'll pick this up via PM. Wait, it was getting good! All due respect, Osyn, but while the Gallente may prefer to engage in public mud-slinging for the public's amusement, I will do no such thing. Kill joy. Kidding, you do your thing. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 139	Posted - 2016.06.01 20:18:10 - [41] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: If you speak of anything, it's not hinmoniaa, but a shameless gallente propaganda from the mouth of a primitive tribal, who will never be able to understand us. Yes, I am not one of YOU, I am not a primitive tribal like minmatars. I am Caldari. And if you dare to question my honor, at least do in in space in your ship. My honor, unlike yours, is not stained. Would you like to prove yours by meeting me in combat, or you just prefer barking like toothless gallentean petdog on forums? Watch it with the Matari insults ****-face. At least we "primitive tribals" have free access to our homeworld. What do you have? GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥*
Anataine Deva University of Caille Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2016.06.01 20:49:23 - [42] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Your approach works better, but mine is more fun. There is no place for toying around when innocent lives are at risk. I noticed the desperate attempts of Miss Kim, to provoke Gallenteans for a reaction which may prove her ridiculous theories right. Fortunately without much success. Maybe I should go now, watch a holo reel and have some fun the gallentean way. One person pillow fight in my captains quartier! - Take that Miss Kim! Give The BIG Lottery a try! - And give me your Fedos!!!
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2642	Posted - 2016.06.01 21:56:02 - [43] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Watch it with the Matari insults ****-face. At least we "primitive tribals" have free access to our homeworld. What do you have? We have our honor and dignity, because we didn't degrade ourselves to serve oppressors like cattle in slavery. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.* In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4217	Posted - 2016.06.01 22:11:12 - [44] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: [quote=Diana Kim]Watch it with the Matari insults *****-face. At least we "primitive tribals" have free access to our homeworld. What do you have? Come on, there's no need for that. Some of us are on your side. Kim meanwhile is basically the dumbest thing the Winds ever allowed to live, so... y'know, maybe start by assuming that whatever Caldari are generally like, we're very different from her. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1204	Posted - 2016.06.01 22:21:57 - [45] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Diana Kim wrote: If you speak of anything, it's not hinmoniaa, but a shameless gallente propaganda from the mouth of a primitive tribal, who will never be able to understand us. Yes, I am not one of YOU, I am not a primitive tribal like minmatars. I am Caldari. And if you dare to question my honor, at least do in in space in your ship. My honor, unlike yours, is not stained. Would you like to prove yours by meeting me in combat, or you just prefer barking like toothless gallentean petdog on forums? Watch it with the Matari insults *****-face. At least we "primitive tribals" have free access to our homeworld. What do you have? They were given back their homeworld. They can return at any point, to the planet that was returned to them due to charity not combat.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4219	Posted - 2016.06.01 22:32:59 - [46] - Quote Sorry, we must be talking about different homeworlds. Ours is Caldari Prime. You know? The one that was retaken after a full-scale invasion, the ransoming of Gallente Prime, several years of tense occupation and finally the violent de-orbiting of a titan that did permanent geological damage to a spiritually significant mountain range? That's the one we're talking about. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1206	Posted - 2016.06.01 22:49:31 - [47] - Quote Wrong homeworld?
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1285	Posted - 2016.06.01 22:52:51 - [48] - Quote Stitcher wrote: ... y'know, maybe start by assuming that whatever Caldari are generally like, we're very different from her. Oh, I donGÇÖt know the, GÇÿthey are all like her,GÇÖ narrative helps some agendas very nicely. Goodness knows those of us on the conservative side of Federal politics are grateful for her continual contributions. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4221	Posted - 2016.06.01 23:23:44 - [49] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Wrong homeworld? Riiight, because that handover totally happened out of the goodness of the Federation's heart and not because of the river of blood that got spilled in persuading them we were serious about retaking it... AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
TomHorn Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front 272	Posted - 2016.06.02 00:05:06 - [50] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Wrong homeworld? Riiight, because that handover totally happened out of the goodness of the Federation's heart and not because of the river of blood that got spilled in persuading them we were serious about retaking it... Alot more that needs to be done Stitcher. The CEP needs to bring about the end of the Gallente zones on Caldari Prime. My organisations fund the Breakfast for children programme in the Gallente zones and we see whats going on there. We Caldari are in danger. Gallente fascist hordes attack Caldari women and children in the their homes in the Gallente zones. The Gallente fascist hordes are planning a genocide for the Caldari in the Gallente zones on Caldari Prime. CEP needs to take action now to avert a catastrophe in the Federation controlled zones on Caldari Prime.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1206	Posted - 2016.06.02 00:19:31 - [51] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Wrong homeworld? Riiight, because that handover totally happened out of the goodness of the Federation's heart and not because of the river of blood that got spilled in persuading them we were serious about retaking it... Let's think of this logically, obviously it wasn't an act of good will, that we can agree on. This "river of blood" proving you were serious about taking it? Like Tom said, they supposedly "kill women and children," I strongly doubt they'd care about your resolve or losses. It was all a diplomatic victory, it also was denial of a major victory (getting your homeworld back by force, vengeance, whatever) for your people as well.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4222	Posted - 2016.06.02 00:21:08 - [52] - Quote Horn, nobody ever suggested that reclaiming Home was going to be a smooth ride. I'm sure you have your theories about how best to move forward, there. Me, I don't think I have enough information for an informed opinion. I'm out of the loop and I trust Ishukone and the Legion to know what they're doing. I will caution you against flinging around the word "fascist" to describe the mobile public, though. It has a very specific meaning, referring to a form of centralized government with unlimited power where business and labor are controlled by the government and no opposition is permitted. By definition therefore a mob of civilians cannot be fascist. Lynch mobs and rape gangs are their own separate category of terrible and condemnible thing. It's important to understand the other side's rationale - and there is always a rationale, even if it's an awful and illogical one. Inaccurately throwing a word like "fascist" at civilian rioters gets you no closer to understanding why they're doing what they do, or under what circumstances they would stop. Deitra Vess wrote: It was all a diplomatic victory, it also was denial of a major victory (getting your homeworld back by force, vengeance, whatever) for your people as well. It was a diplomatic outcome, sure. Not only do I agree on that score, I'm grateful for it. Truly lasting solutions should be diplomatic in nature, and usually are. But if you think that the diplomatic process would have properly and fairly begun without the violence then I'm afraid I must consider you deluded at worst and profoundly naive at best. We tried negotiating for two hundred years prior to that point, and got nowhere. In the end, it was violence that got the ball rolling. Don't pretend that this was all a big gesture of Federation goodwill. We had to DRAG them to the negotiating table. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 453	Posted - 2016.06.02 03:23:56 - [53] - Quote Anataine Deva wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Your approach works better, but mine is more fun. There is no place for toying around when innocent lives are at risk. I noticed the desperate attempts of Miss Kim, to provoke Gallenteans for a reaction which may prove her ridiculous theories right. Fortunately without much success. Maybe I should go now, watch a holo reel and have some fun the gallentean way. One person pillow fight in my captains quartier! - Take that Miss Kim! You'd make an excellent Hordeling. Our home is called the Pillow Fortizar. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 4	Posted - 2016.06.02 03:55:11 - [54] - Quote This thread had such promise. Now it's racists and historical revisionists. Diana, your first post was actually kind of sane. It seemed to be attempting to provoke a discussion in a reasonable fashion. Why did you have to ruin it by Kimming so hard? You have a habit of making points that I can agree with only to then add some racist crap to the end. It makes it really hard to agree with any of your points or argue on your side, even when I partially agree with what you say. Surprisingly though, you aren't the worst person in this thread. Shocking, I know. I don't hate the Gallente, I have no reason to. I do dislike the Federation. I dislike the Federation because they've committed a number of terrible acts both recently and in the distant past, and they refuse to even accept responsibility. The Federation mistreated the Caldari until the Caldari left, they blamed the Caldari for leaving. The Federation went to war against the Caldari because the Caldari left the Federation and because of the actions of a group that the State condemned. The Federation bombed Caldari Prime in retribution for a bombing on Caldari Prime by a group that the Government of Caldari Prime condemned. The Federation forced the Caldari away from their home with an overwhelming military force because the Caldari couldn't be trusted because the Caldari left the Federation. The Federation occupied Caldari Prime for two hundred years. This is acceptable. The Federation is not at fault as the Caldari had it coming. Why is it that when the Federation does all of that, it's okay. But when the State retaliates Gallente everywhere start crying for peace? The Federation starts to lose, and suddenly the Caldari are just being warmongers. You Caldari just need to calm down! Innocents are suffering! War is unnecessary! Why do you hold a grudge for something that happened two hundred years ago(and lasted until very recenly)?! Why don't you Caldari ever consider peace!? We don't consider peace because the Federation has no interest in peace. They've demonstrated that. They love war, it drives their narcissism. When they do something terrible to their foes it's just a horror of war. They had to do it. They had to break the peace and attack Caldari Prime. That Titan was going to shoot at the planet and kill innocent people if we attacked it so we attacked it to stop it from doing that which it would have done if we attacked it. We had to kill millions of people and cause further irreparable damage to a planet we should have nothing to do with because if we attacked they would have done it anyway which they didn't end up doing because we attacked it before we could attack it. Do you honestly believe that excuse? They knew it was a bluff. A bluff that came from the need to protect a planet from a considerably larger military force with minimal casualties. We knew that the Federation could easily take the planet back if they wanted to, mainly because they did it in the past. "The Federation gave Caldari prime back! Why aren't you grateful?" Do you even listen to yourself? I'd say have some empathy but if you actually did you'd biomass yourself and I don't think suicide is ever a good solution. The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting.
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 92	Posted - 2016.06.02 04:13:35 - [55] - Quote I don't know you. But well said. The Caldari State has done many things against the Gallente. But, most if not all of those acts have been either in self defence or acts of total desperation. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2644	Posted - 2016.06.02 04:20:41 - [56] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Kim meanwhile is basically the dumbest thing the Winds ever allowed to live. I will greatly appreciate if you, Stitcher, will stop projecting your mental qualities on me. If you fail to understand basic logic it doesn't mean I can't. Now begone and let people discuss history without your dumb trolling. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2644	Posted - 2016.06.02 04:25:51 - [57] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: "The Federation gave Caldari prime back! Why aren't you grateful?" Do you even listen to yourself? I'd say have some empathy but if you actually did you'd biomass yourself and I don't think suicide is ever a good solution. Actually, Federation "gave" Caldari Prime back only after we have liberated it 10 June YC110. President Souro Foiritan signed the treaty that Caldari Prime becomes territory of Caldari State. And of course we are grateful for that. But not for gallentes or Foiritan, but for Tibus Heth who actually did something. Oh, and returning back to gallente... that treaty they have signed didn't stop them from invading Caldari Prime again in YC115 with their "operation Highlander". Do you want to sign more treaties with gallente? I don't. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anataine Deva University of Caille Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2016.06.02 06:18:59 - [58] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: You'd make an excellent Hordeling. No I would not. Jason Galente wrote: Our home is called the Pillow Fortizar. =) Give The BIG Lottery a try! - And give me your Fedos!!!
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 95	Posted - 2016.06.02 06:31:53 - [59] - Quote Anataine Deva wrote: Jason Galente wrote: You'd make an excellent Hordeling. No I would not. Jason Galente wrote: Our home is called the Pillow Fortizar. =) Don't sell yourself short. Horedlings are like birds. Ugly as hell until they grow up, and then they all look extremely different from each other. And some (Khan Kimpachi) remain sadly ugly... Edit for clarification: Not calling you ugly, I'm saying anybody can be a Hordling. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Anataine Deva University of Caille Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2016.06.02 06:44:32 - [60] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Anataine Deva wrote: Jason Galente wrote: You'd make an excellent Hordeling. No I would not. Jason Galente wrote: Our home is called the Pillow Fortizar. =) Don't sell yourself short. Horedlings are like birds. Ugly as hell until they grow up, and then they all look extremely different from each other. And some (Khan Kimpachi) remain sadly ugly... Edit for clarification: Not calling you ugly, I'm saying anybody can be a Hordling. Well said but I'm not anybody. Give The BIG Lottery a try! - And give me your Fedos!!!
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4235	Posted - 2016.06.02 07:02:43 - [61] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Stitcher wrote: Kim meanwhile is basically the dumbest thing the Winds ever allowed to live. I will greatly appreciate if you, Stitcher, will stop projecting your mental qualities on me. If you fail to understand basic logic it doesn't mean I can't. Now begone and let people discuss history without your dumb trolling. If your objective is to prove me wrong on that score, then you might want to try for a wittier comeback than "No, YOU are!" AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 422	Posted - 2016.06.02 08:57:28 - [62] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Stitcher wrote: Kim meanwhile is basically the dumbest thing the Winds ever allowed to live. I will greatly appreciate if you, Stitcher, will stop projecting your mental qualities on me. If you fail to understand basic logic it doesn't mean I can't. Now begone and let people discuss history without your dumb trolling. If your objective is to prove me wrong on that score, then you might want to try for a wittier comeback than "No, YOU are!" Verin, do you honestly expect a better retort from her? I honestly think it's about time the CEP and CN took note of her repeatedly stated sympathies towards the Dragonaur. They've stated before that the organisation and it's supporters are unwelcome. Perhaps it's time they acted upon that statement. -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 422	Posted - 2016.06.02 09:03:03 - [63] - Quote TomHorn wrote: Stitcher wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Wrong homeworld? Riiight, because that handover totally happened out of the goodness of the Federation's heart and not because of the river of blood that got spilled in persuading them we were serious about retaking it... Alot more that needs to be done Stitcher. The CEP needs to bring about the end of the Gallente zones on Caldari Prime. My organisations fund the Breakfast for children programme in the Gallente zones and we see whats going on there. We Caldari are in danger. Gallente fascist hordes attack Caldari women and children in the their homes in the Gallente zones. The Gallente fascist hordes are planning a genocide for the Caldari in the Gallente zones on Caldari Prime. CEP needs to take action now to avert a catastrophe in the Federation controlled zones on Caldari Prime. A Provist, claiming that ANYONE else is facist. This ladies and gentlemen, is irony in it's purest form. As others have mentioned Horn. You might want to research the meaning of words before you attempt to throw them around as an insult. You might also want to rethink spreading such vile rumours without more proof than 'i said it so it's true' I'm sure you could, if this is actually happening, request a freedom of information request to the Mordus Legion and see if they will verify your claim. I sincerely doubt they would. -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2646	Posted - 2016.06.02 09:51:52 - [64] - Quote Stitcher wrote: If your objective is to prove me wrong on that score, then you might want to try for a wittier comeback than "No, YOU are!" No, my objective is to tell you to shut the heck up and stop wasting time of readers on your trolling. I'd prefer proving wrong those, who can at least take conversations like humans and think logically with their head, and not like you with part of body that we won't be calling on public forum. Besides, if you don't like form of "no you" replies, you shouldn't have came with trolling by putting your own labels on other peoples. Expecting a different reply in such sad case is neither wise nor smart. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4235	Posted - 2016.06.02 09:57:36 - [65] - Quote Kim, everything you write is a waste of time. Nobody's here to argue with you, because we all know you're not at home to reason or logic. We're here to argue with each other and to entertain one another. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2647	Posted - 2016.06.02 11:35:01 - [66] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Kim, everything you write is a waste of time. Nobody's here to argue with you, because we all know you're not at home to reason or logic. We're here to argue with each other and to entertain one another. I repeat, if you fail to reason and argue, get the hell out of here, this isn't the place for you to entertain your incapable brains. Go play in a sandbox or something. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 801	Posted - 2016.06.02 11:56:14 - [67] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Kim, everything you write is a waste of time. Nobody's here to argue with you, because we all know you're not at home to reason or logic. We're here to argue with each other and to entertain one another. Verin, do take your own advice here and don't encourage the ones so desperate for attention by acknowledging them. It's really the only way to handle them, ignoring them entirely.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2647	Posted - 2016.06.02 12:08:29 - [68] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: A Provist, claiming that ANYONE else is facist. This ladies and gentlemen, is irony in it's purest form. Look, you, 'i am a rok' type, if you still fail to read history book about what happened seven years ago, I'll write it here openly (even if you will fail to read it anyway): Provists were choosen among best citizens and they represented Caldari ideals before the organization was disbanded. Fascism on other hand is a gallentean ideal, that gallenteans have displayed both 200 years ago and again 7 years ago, still showing it up to this day. Now, would YOU know what an irony is? Or probably I shall remind readers how you was openly trying to cover gallentean warcrimes in Black Rise, where they are still ( and even now as I write this) torture Caldari prisoners of war? You have lied about it so openly, when any other capsuleer can simply grab a probe scanner and see for themself that these facilities are still there and running. Do you enjoy showing yourself that daft?.. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.06.02 12:13:32 - [69] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: We aren't brainwashed gallenteans, who shall praise freedom absent-mindedly, we can agree and disagree with anything superiors will say. Quite right. We have that freedom. I'm a gallentian and I am not brainwashed I disagree with a lot of the things that our federation has done and Diana you need to do everyone a favor and go biomass yourself please and thank you
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4236	Posted - 2016.06.02 12:23:28 - [70] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Verin, do take your own advice here and don't encourage the ones so desperate for attention by acknowledging them. It's really the only way to handle them, ignoring them entirely. Not as much fun, though. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2647	Posted - 2016.06.02 12:33:08 - [71] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Stitcher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: We aren't brainwashed gallenteans, who shall praise freedom absent-mindedly, we can agree and disagree with anything superiors will say. Quite right. We have that freedom. I'm a gallentian and I am not brainwashed I disagree with a lot of the things that our federation has done and Diana you need to do everyone a favor and go biomass yourself please and thank you But you speak as one. In anyway, I won't biomass, until I will eradicate every and single one enemy of the State. You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I will come to you on wings of justice, and smear your remains over station walls. I will bring so much payload that will send you back to stone age. I will pursuit and hunt all of your genocidal maniacs, every of federal supporter and puppet. I will fill your bodies with lead and molten iron. I will kick your sore assets with my navy boot all the way back into Villlore. And when I will see that you will be crawling in pools of your blood, and neither of you will be able to undock a ship or hold a weapon, then I will consider biomassing. Until then~ see you in space. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.06.02 12:59:03 - [72] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: Stitcher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: We aren't brainwashed gallenteans, who shall praise freedom absent-mindedly, we can agree and disagree with anything superiors will say. Quite right. We have that freedom. I'm a gallentian and I am not brainwashed I disagree with a lot of the things that our federation has done and Diana you need to do everyone a favor and go biomass yourself please and thank you But you speak as one. In anyway, I won't biomass, until I will eradicate every and single one enemy of the State. You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I will come to you on wings of justice, and smear your remains over station walls. I will bring so much payload that will send you back to stone age. I will pursuit and hunt all of your genocidal maniacs, every of federal supporter and puppet. I will fill your bodies with lead and molten iron. I will kick your sore assets with my navy boot all the way back into Villlore. And when I will see that you will be crawling in pools of your blood, and neither of you will be able to undock a ship or hold a weapon, then I will consider biomassing. Until then~ see you in space. even if i can't undock a ship someone else will and until I am swimming in a pool or your blood or you are exiled into wormhole space with the drifters and sleepers or your kin I will kill you in any and every way I can
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2647	Posted - 2016.06.02 13:10:34 - [73] - Quote Excellent. Do you know how to find me, or I need to send direct instruction where to come like for 1-day old noobies? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1867	Posted - 2016.06.02 15:09:50 - [74] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Stitcher wrote: Kim, everything you write is a waste of time. Nobody's here to argue with you, because we all know you're not at home to reason or logic. We're here to argue with each other and to entertain one another. I repeat, if you fail to reason and argue, get the hell out of here, this isn't the place for you to entertain your incapable brains. Go play in a sandbox or something. No. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1867	Posted - 2016.06.02 15:17:21 - [75] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 106	Posted - 2016.06.02 15:57:19 - [76] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? You people like to hold yourself high and mighty, and decry things like bloodshed. And at the same time you intentionally antagonize someone seeking closure. Yes Kim is volatile and she is belligerent to no end. She is also highly annoying and disruptive. But have you ever taken into consideration that she might just have a point? Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1867	Posted - 2016.06.02 16:05:17 - [77] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? You people like to hold yourself high and mighty, and decry things like bloodshed. And at the same time you intentionally antagonize someone seeking closure. Yes Kim is volatile and she is belligerent to no end. She is also highly annoying and disruptive. But have you ever taken into consideration that she might just have a point? She has also been offered a myriad of softer approaches by everyone here that she has spurned in favor of bloodshed. She doesn't want closure, she wants genocide. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 104	Posted - 2016.06.02 16:55:58 - [78] - Quote You know, we could also try not slaughtering each other, get over the past, and learn to live together in the present. But hey, I'm just a crazy person. "Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1291	Posted - 2016.06.02 17:04:28 - [79] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting. Well aren't you clever... You should know however that I would never 'scramble' for something I already possess. That and I don't the the pilot of that accursed ship was Gallente. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 104	Posted - 2016.06.02 17:07:52 - [80] - Quote I am fairly sure it was a Nyx not a Titan. "Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2649	Posted - 2016.06.02 17:22:38 - [81] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: She has also been offered a myriad of softer approaches by everyone here. Approaches that she has spurned in favor of bloodshed. She doesn't want closure, she wants genocide. And here, dear readers, you can witness a typical brainwashed gallentean propagandist creature. This 'pilot' displays abnormal lack of cognitive abilities claiming what I want, that I never said or really wanted anywhere. Anyone still want to negotiate with gallenteans like that? Anyone thinks that peace with peoples like Osyn possible? Well... maybe it is possible, but not before they will be locked in asylums or something like that. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4240	Posted - 2016.06.02 17:39:15 - [82] - Quote Natheniel wrote: I am fairly sure it was a Nyx not a Titan. I still maintain my skepticism over the idea that it was Alexander Noir piloting that thing. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 143	Posted - 2016.06.02 19:01:14 - [83] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: [quote=Diana Kim]Watch it with the Matari insults ****-face. At least we "primitive tribals" have free access to our homeworld. What do you have? Come on, there's no need for that. Some of us are on your side. Kim meanwhile is basically the dumbest thing the Winds ever allowed to live, so... y'know, maybe start by assuming that whatever Caldari are generally like, we're very different from her. Ok, ok. Sorry. I don't think she dumb. I think she's damaged. She's hurt and lashing out at the things that hurt her. Sometimes I want to give her a hug. Other times, I want to kick her in the uterus. Does that make sense? GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥*
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1868	Posted - 2016.06.02 21:13:20 - [84] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Natheniel wrote: I am fairly sure it was a Nyx not a Titan. I still maintain my skepticism over the idea that it was Alexander Noir piloting that thing. It was an inside job. Starship fuel can't melt tritanium beams. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 422	Posted - 2016.06.02 22:06:27 - [85] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? You people like to hold yourself high and mighty, and decry things like bloodshed. And at the same time you intentionally antagonize someone seeking closure. Yes Kim is volatile and she is belligerent to no end. She is also highly annoying and disruptive. But have you ever taken into consideration that she might just have a point? Don't delude yourself, The lunatic to whom you refer is not seeking closure, she's just stirring the pot and trying to claim black is white, as usual. -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 422	Posted - 2016.06.02 22:07:20 - [86] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Natheniel wrote: I am fairly sure it was a Nyx not a Titan. I still maintain my skepticism over the idea that it was Alexander Noir piloting that thing. I think they may have been referring to the Leviathan. -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.06.02 22:34:33 - [87] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: She has also been offered a myriad of softer approaches by everyone here. Approaches that she has spurned in favor of bloodshed. She doesn't want closure, she wants genocide. And here, dear readers, you can witness a typical brainwashed gallentean propagandist creature. This 'pilot' displays abnormal lack of cognitive abilities claiming what I want, that I never said or really wanted anywhere. Anyone still want to negotiate with gallenteans like that? Anyone thinks that peace with peoples like Osyn possible? Well... maybe it is possible, but not before they will be locked in asylums or something like that. You are the one that needs to be locked in an asylum I would even help cover treatment costs
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4242	Posted - 2016.06.02 23:40:48 - [88] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Stitcher wrote: Natheniel wrote: I am fairly sure it was a Nyx not a Titan. I still maintain my skepticism over the idea that it was Alexander Noir piloting that thing. It was an inside job. Starship fuel can't melt tritanium beams. We live in an era where clonejacking is always a possibility - hell, it's happened to me - and I just don't buy that a man who devoted twice as long as I've been alive to the peace process would suddenly and at the worst possible moment turn out to have been lying the whole time so as to engineer an opportunity to derail the peace process. Gambits like that just don't happen. I don't give a damn about tritanium beams or whatever, but plans so convolutedly long-term and implausible as that would only barely work in the crappiest of holoreels. The allegation that it was Admiral Noir flying the Wandering Saint makes no sense whatsoever: None. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 462	Posted - 2016.06.02 23:49:18 - [89] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? You people like to hold yourself high and mighty, and decry things like bloodshed. And at the same time you intentionally antagonize someone seeking closure. Yes Kim is volatile and she is belligerent to no end. She is also highly annoying and disruptive. But have you ever taken into consideration that she might just have a point? She has only a point about the federal government, not the Gallentean people. Most Gallenteans are freedom-loving, peaceful people. The government currently doesn't reflect that and hasn't for some time. Just as Tibus Heth didn't represent most Caldari in the direction he took their government. This is why I am an enemy of all of the empires. They are corrupt, and it's long past time to clean house and start anew. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1293	Posted - 2016.06.03 00:13:20 - [90] - Quote Natheniel wrote: I am fairly sure it was a Nyx not a Titan. And here I thought she was talking about the unfortunate crash on Luminaire VII (Caldari Prime), forgive my... confusion. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 7	Posted - 2016.06.03 01:37:58 - [91] - Quote I was referring to the Shiigeru. The one that was attacked without provocation by Federation forces, the one that crashed into a fairly significant mountain range, causing widespread destruction. More widespread destruction that is, the planet had already been battered by years of warfare. James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting. Well aren't you clever... You should know however that I would never 'scramble' for something I already possess. You know that moral high ground is a sarcastic thing don't you? There is no moral high ground to be had here, but you seem to think there is. Thank you for proving my point though. There isn't much point arguing in here on that subject, the Federation supporters don't argue back they just deny having any part in it, which is exactly what I said they'd do. Sinti Vailatti wrote: Ok, ok. Sorry. I don't think she dumb. I think she's damaged. She's hurt and lashing out at the things that hurt her. Sometimes I want to give her a hug. Other times, I want to kick her in the uterus. Does that make sense? I too, enjoy beating the mentally ill. Diana is insane. I don't know why but I'd hazard a guess that she was in some way mistreated by the Federation. Maybe she lost family to them, maybe she was directly hurt by them. Most Caldari have had such things happen to them. Who knows?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1169	Posted - 2016.06.03 01:55:12 - [92] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Karina Ivanovich wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? You people like to hold yourself high and mighty, and decry things like bloodshed. And at the same time you intentionally antagonize someone seeking closure. Yes Kim is volatile and she is belligerent to no end. She is also highly annoying and disruptive. But have you ever taken into consideration that she might just have a point? She has only a point about the federal government, not the Gallentean people. Most Gallenteans are freedom-loving, peaceful people. The government currently doesn't reflect that and hasn't for some time. Just as Tibus Heth didn't represent most Caldari in the direction he took their government, and I don't judge the Caldari as a people for his actions. But remember, the Gallenteans ELECTED the U-Nats right after Nouvelle Rouvenor. The U-Nats didn't fool them, didn't mince their words, didn't conceal that a military response for Nouvelle Rouvenor was very much in the agenda. Also, let's not forget the kind of parade the people of the Federation had when Foiritian publically executed the Tripwire saboteur. In the Federation, even more so than anywhere else, the kind of shite the government does reflect, at least in part, on the voters who put them there in the first place. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1296	Posted - 2016.06.03 02:44:39 - [93] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: I was referring to the Shiigeru. The one that was attacked without provocation by Federation forces, the one that crashed into a fairly significant mountain range, causing widespread destruction. More widespread destruction that is, the planet had already been battered by years of warfare. James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting. Well aren't you clever... You should know however that I would never 'scramble' for something I already possess. You know that moral high ground is a sarcastic thing don't you? There is no moral high ground to be had here, but you seem to think there is. Thank you for proving my point though. You have an interesting definition of 'unprovoked'. But still... the only thing I see is that you are simply the next incarnation of the apparently perpetual Caldari cult of victim-hood. By the way, I noticed you left out the most important bit when you quoted meGÇª. But then your kin are the masters of selective forgetfulness, especially when it comes to your guilt. James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting. Well aren't you clever... You should know however that I would never 'scramble' for something I already possess. That and I don't think the pilot of that accursed ship was Gallente. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 297	Posted - 2016.06.03 03:06:12 - [94] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: And by the way, there is no way Alexander Noir was piloting that Nyx Okay, so who was it? Jason Galente wrote: I think very powerful, multi-empyrean corporate interests within both the State and the Federation were pushing for war to make a profit at the cost of billions of lives. That I could believe. I could more quickly believe that it were Patriot, particularly Lai Dai and Kaalakiota interests being served. What ships were just rolled out? The Onyx, the Kitsune, the Golem and the Widow. How much did Kaalakiota win in the Empyrean Wars, at least until Heth's demise? How long has Lai Dai been waiting to strike such a blow against Ishukone? I suspect that if there were any foul play, it was from rot within the State. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 8	Posted - 2016.06.03 04:10:10 - [95] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: You have an interesting definition of 'unprovoked'. But still... the only thing I see is that you are simply the next incarnation of the apparently perpetual Caldari cult of victim-hood. By the way, I noticed you left out the most important bit when you quoted meGÇª. But then your kin are the masters of selective forgetfulness, especially when it comes to your guilt. James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting. Well aren't you clever... You should know however that I would never 'scramble' for something I already possess. That and I don't think the pilot of that accursed ship was Gallente. I suggest you re-read the first paragraph. If you're piloting a ship and I shoot you, causing you to crash into a mining colony, who would be guilty for the deaths of the miners within? (It's me. I committed the act of shooting you that lead to the destruction. You would be a victim in this case. If you reply "But the Caldari put the Titan there in the first place!" that will further prove my point as to your lack of self awareness. A Federation supporter accusing Caldari of having a victim-hood cult is hilarious. Almost every justification for continued aggression relies on the idea that the State is persecuting the Federation. Which is hilarious since almost every military campaign by the State has been defensive or retaliatory. For the last two hundred years at least, we've been defending ourselves. We don't forget our guilt. We accept it and strive to fix the damage caused by it, Heth was a mistake and he was treated like one. We accept that he should never have been given power and removed it. Thank you for not addressing my points and instead refusing to accept that the Federation has any guilt. You continue to prove my point. You lack of any self awareness is very helpful.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1870	Posted - 2016.06.03 07:05:48 - [96] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: I suggest you re-read the first paragraph. If you're piloting a ship and I shoot you, causing you to crash into a mining colony, who would be guilty for the deaths of the miners within? (It's me. I committed the act of shooting you that lead to the destruction. You would be a victim in this case. If you reply "But the Caldari put the Titan there in the first place!" that will further prove my point as to your lack of self awareness. A Federation supporter accusing Caldari of having a victim-hood cult is hilarious. Almost every justification for continued aggression relies on the idea that the State is persecuting the Federation. Which is hilarious since almost every military campaign by the State has been defensive or retaliatory. For the last two hundred years at least, we've been defending ourselves. We don't forget our guilt. We accept it and strive to fix the damage caused by it, Heth was a mistake and he was treated like one. We accept that he should never have been given power and removed it. Thank you for not addressing my points and instead refusing to accept that the Federation has any guilt. You continue to prove my point. You lack of any self awareness is very helpful. Your argument leaves out a few details. Such as the fact that the titan was well within range of our homeworld as well. I don't know about you, but if I encountered a hostile person with a weapon I'd do my best to take it away from them. In this case, they ended up stabbing themselves in the face with it during the struggle. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4244	Posted - 2016.06.03 07:08:17 - [97] - Quote Neph wrote: Jason Galente wrote: And by the way, there is no way Alexander Noir was piloting that Nyx Okay, so who was it? See, this always happens. Whenever doubt is expressed over Alexander Noir and the Wandering Saint, this is the challenge that's always run up the flagpole: "Okay genius, if he wasn't flying it, who was?" The honest answer to that question is "I don't have the first idea." Being skeptical of hypothesis A does not automatically require the immediate presentation of hypothesis B to replace it. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 9	Posted - 2016.06.03 08:02:10 - [98] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: I suggest you re-read the first paragraph. If you're piloting a ship and I shoot you, causing you to crash into a mining colony, who would be guilty for the deaths of the miners within? (It's me. I committed the act of shooting you that lead to the destruction. You would be a victim in this case. If you reply "But the Caldari put the Titan there in the first place!" that will further prove my point as to your lack of self awareness. A Federation supporter accusing Caldari of having a victim-hood cult is hilarious. Almost every justification for continued aggression relies on the idea that the State is persecuting the Federation. Which is hilarious since almost every military campaign by the State has been defensive or retaliatory. For the last two hundred years at least, we've been defending ourselves. We don't forget our guilt. We accept it and strive to fix the damage caused by it, Heth was a mistake and he was treated like one. We accept that he should never have been given power and removed it. Thank you for not addressing my points and instead refusing to accept that the Federation has any guilt. You continue to prove my point. You lack of any self awareness is very helpful. Your argument leaves out a few details. Such as the fact that the titan was well within range of our homeworld as well. I don't know about you, but if I encountered a hostile person with a weapon I'd do my best to take it away from them. In this case, they ended up stabbing themselves in the face with it during the struggle. But the Titan couldn't take on the Gallente fleet head on. It was defensive. If the State wanted to attack Gallente Prime they would have. Let's use your analogy. You stole your neighbors house(because you found out they'd planted flowers in their yard.), forced them out, then they came back a while later and forced you out, leaving a single guard with a knife behind. You saw this as a threat to your property so you showed up with a gun, shot the guard and threw his body through the window. This is all after you agreed they could have their house back by the way. Oh, and now you're arguing that you were justified in your aggression because they thought you would be aggressive and prepared for that possibility. In reality, the total casualties number in the millions, with severe environmental damage rather than a broken window and blood everywhere. Do you listen to yourself?
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 297	Posted - 2016.06.03 12:03:25 - [99] - Quote Stitcher wrote: See, this always happens. Whenever doubt is expressed over Alexander Noir and the Wandering Saint, this is the challenge that's always run up the flagpole: "Okay genius, if he wasn't flying it, who was?" The honest answer to that question is "I don't have the first idea." Being skeptical of hypothesis A does not automatically require the immediate presentation of hypothesis B to replace it. Fair enough, but until I find a hypothesis B, I'll stick to hypothesis A. Stitcher wrote: Whatever else he was, TIbus Heth I think truly did consider himself a citizen first and foremost,. A citizen of what? Kaalakiota, or the "State"? Did he see himself of some bigger, intraempire order? If history tells us anything, it's that it probably wasn't really any of those--he was just a man seeking power. My two isk. Sticher wrote: When he took over Kaalakiota in the week after the Malkalen incident, if there had been any evidence that the corporation was involved in orchestrating that attack, it would have come to light. After all, that kind of evidence would have been all he needed to really drive the final nails into Haatakan Oiritsuu's coffin, especially if it also gave him the chance to strong-arm Lai Dai. Megacorp execs conspiring with the Federation to attack the State? Digging that up would have been a massive propaganda victory for the Provists, and we'd still most likely be under their thumb if they had ever been able to find something like that. Attempting a gambit like that in the political weather of the State during the whole of YC110? You'd have to be irredeemably incompetent to go further than idly considering it, even if you were inclined to do so. Good points. I forgot about the timing on that. Do you think he coordinated Malkalen from within, giving him the foothold he needed to take over KK and, dually, strike a blow against the Liberal interests that were most likely to be (and were) opposed to his leadership? ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 921	Posted - 2016.06.03 12:52:45 - [100] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: I think very powerful, multi-empyrean corporate interests within both the State and the Federation were pushing for war to make a profit at the cost of billions of lives. Interesting... Such a corporation, would need to have major influence in Amarr and the Republic as well, to cover interference from their intelligence agencies. They would have to have a very strong military with the appropriate specialized training. They would also have to have access to advanced cloning capabilities and heavy influence on the media. And of course, they would need to make a tidy profit off the tragedy. What corporation fits that bill perfectly? "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4251	Posted - 2016.06.03 13:26:03 - [101] - Quote Neph wrote: Fair enough, but until I find a hypothesis B, I'll stick to hypothesis A. Why? You don't NEED to stick to a hypothesis. If there are glaring problems with A, then go ahead and drop it. "I don't know" is not only a valid position, it should be the default position. Neph wrote: A citizen of what? Kaalakiota, or the "State"? Did he see himself of some bigger, intraempire order? If history tells us anything, it's that it probably wasn't really any of those--he was just a man seeking power. My two isk. Never underestimate just how dangerous well-intentioned people can be. The one thing I don't think of Heth is that he was a megalomaniac - I'm happily convinced that he genuinely believed everything he did was for the good of the Caldari people. He may have been wildly wrong, but I think he was honest. Selfless tyrants who think that the ends justify the means are typically the worse kind, both in terms of the depths to which they sink, and also in terms of incompetence. Any purely selfish tyrant who was capable of becoming a tyrant would typically be canny enough to foresee and neuter the same forces that ultimately collapsed Heth's regime. Neph wrote: Good points. I forgot about the timing on that. Do you think he coordinated Malkalen from within, giving him the foothold he needed to take over KK and, dually, strike a blow against the Liberal interests that were most likely to be (and were) opposed to his leadership? No. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 105	Posted - 2016.06.03 14:40:15 - [102] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: And by the way, there is no way Alexander Noir was piloting that Nyx, it would fly in the face of his entire life's work and his general disposition as testified to by hundreds of people who worked closely with him over several decades. It's just a little bit too strange for me to believe he flipped 180 degrees to bomb a peace conference of all things. I grew up admiring Noir, and the man who piloted that Nyx is not the same man whose lifetime ideals shaped my own. Admirals of even the State once spoke of him with deep admiration. The Gallente and Caldari were so close to bridging the gap. What happened? It certainly wasn't some accident, and I doubt Noir turned into a murderous terrorist overnight, two weeks after receiving the Aidonis for his work bridging that gap. I think very powerful, multi-empyrean corporate interests within both the State and the Federation were pushing for war to make a profit at the cost of billions of lives. You know, the bit everyone is forgetting, is that it IS entirely possible that he was piloting that Nyx. But there is a reason behind it that none of you seem to know about. Let me remind you of his final words. ""I have an obligation to my beloved Federation to settle accounts with this hateful race, these cursed Caldarians. For my entire life, I have mourned for Hueromont, wishing, praying, willing for the day when I could strike back on behalf of those souls who perished. Fate has bestowed upon me this grand opportunity, this great day, to make vengeance for all those who gave their lives for the Federation, the true guardian of our precious Gallentean race.... may you rest in peace now, brave souls of Hueromont, and you, kindred spirits of Nouvelle Rouvenor, knowing that I will take back what was stolen from you... Curse you, Caldari... may I take as many of you with me that I can!" So, for those of you who don't know, Hueromont was the city that Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba rammed his fighter carrier into while attacking gallente prime and killed 2 million people in the process. Noir was a survivor of that war and as we all know, war does terrible things to one's mind. Now, I'm not justifying what he did, I am simply showing that it's possible that he did this. War can destroy good people, drive them mad with pain and grief. He could have been the most pure soul among us and still harbor this darkness. All of us are guilty of atrocities and yet we judge the actions of others when they falter and fall. I say we should take a good hard look at whats been going on from the first war to the current one. It is a constant back and forth of one genocidal incident after another and all we can do is clammer to point the most righteous finger at the other. Gallente attacked Caldari Prime and killed millions, Caldari attacked Gallente Prime in response and killed millions. Neither side is innocent. Also, the first of you to even attempt the "WELL THEY STARTED IT" Will forever brand themselves a child, because the last time I heard that argument used was when I was in grade school. Human lives matter more than who started it, shut up. "Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 473	Posted - 2016.06.03 15:31:03 - [103] - Quote Your hypothesis seems to be that he feigned a love of peace for his entire post-war life (over a century), built up a false reputation amongst hundreds of highly intelligent people within all major empires as a peace loving philanthropist, all to kill any chance of ending the very conflicts that took the lives of those he served alongside, and kill the only people within both governments willing to work out that peace in the process. Seems a bit dubious to me, and it seems much more likely to see a money trail starting to form at the opportunity presented at that conference to kill any idea of peace for at least a decade, a very good incentive for the military industrial complex to step in. I don't know who specifically piloted that Nyx and who, if anyone, organized it. But I maintain my skepticism that Noir had the capacity to do such a thing. If your theory is correct, Alexander Noir is not only the most brilliant man to have ever lived to have been able to accomplish a century of scheming and planning to have that opportunity, but he is also the most manipulative man to have ever lived for all of that to have been a ploy, for him to have built his entire career on a disposition that was actually the opposite of his own. I find that very hard to believe and I tend to be a good judge of people. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 105	Posted - 2016.06.03 15:41:52 - [104] - Quote I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized. "Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 474	Posted - 2016.06.03 15:59:07 - [105] - Quote Natheniel wrote: I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized. But all testimony to his character indicates the war mellowed him out and made him hate war and especially the racial feud with the Caldari. In order to believe that his final words were indicative of his genuine motivations, he would've had to have made a deliberate effort to hide his true feelings and intentions for over a century. I think there would be some evidence of that, some crack in the armor, if that were the case, over such a long period of time. I find it hard to believe that one flies a Nyx into a station on a whim of passion. Somebody that impulsive would not be likely to rise to the station in life that Noir did. Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I made a really awful pun there. Wasn't intended. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 12	Posted - 2016.06.03 16:04:01 - [106] - Quote This thread is confusingly derailed. Maybe it's all a trick by Diana Kim, while we're all fighting here she steals all of our nice things.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 135	Posted - 2016.06.03 16:24:42 - [107] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Natheniel wrote: I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized. But all testimony to his character indicates the war mellowed him out and made him hate war and especially the racial feud with the Caldari. In order to believe that his final words were indicative of his genuine motivations, he would've had to have made a deliberate effort to hide his true feelings and intentions for over a century. I think there would be some evidence of that, some crack in the armor, if that were the case, over such a long period of time. I find it hard to believe that one flies a Nyx into a station on a whim of passion. Somebody that impulsive would not be likely to rise to the station in life that Noir did. Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I made a really awful pun there. Wasn't intended. Assuming Noir's post war career wasn't a lie is it possible that either someone clonejacked him or he was being controlled in some other fashion? Some sort of tech derived from TCMC's or Sansha style cyber say? Granted to do this you would need to gain access to him at the right moment. *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 300	Posted - 2016.06.03 17:01:44 - [108] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Natheniel wrote: I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized. But all testimony to his character indicates the war mellowed him out and made him hate war and especially the racial feud with the Caldari. In order to believe that his final words were indicative of his genuine motivations, he would've had to have made a deliberate effort to hide his true feelings and intentions for over a century. I think there would be some evidence of that, some crack in the armor, if that were the case, over such a long period of time. I find it hard to believe that one flies a Nyx into a station on a whim of passion. Somebody that impulsive would not be likely to rise to the station in life that Noir did. Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I made a really awful pun there. Wasn't intended. Assuming Noir's post war career wasn't a lie is it possible that either someone clonejacked him or he was being controlled in some other fashion? Some sort of tech derived from TCMC's or Sansha style cyber say? Granted to do this you would need to gain access to him at the right moment. Okaam's razor says that's implausible. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1298	Posted - 2016.06.03 20:40:06 - [109] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: James Syagrius wrote: You have an interesting definition of 'unprovoked'. But still... the only thing I see is that you are simply the next incarnation of the apparently perpetual Caldari cult of victim-hood. By the way, I noticed you left out the most important bit when you quoted meGÇª. But then your kin are the masters of selective forgetfulness, especially when it comes to your guilt. James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting. Well aren't you clever... You should know however that I would never 'scramble' for something I already possess. That and I don't think the pilot of that accursed ship was Gallente. I suggest you re-read the first paragraph. If you're piloting a ship and I shoot you, causing you to crash into a mining colony, who would be guilty for the deaths of the miners within? (It's me. I committed the act of shooting you that lead to the destruction. You would be a victim in this case. If you reply "But the Caldari put the Titan there in the first place!" that will further prove my point as to your lack of self awareness. A Federation supporter accusing Caldari of having a victim-hood cult is hilarious. Almost every justification for continued aggression relies on the idea that the State is persecuting the Federation. Which is hilarious since almost every military campaign by the State has been defensive or retaliatory. For the last two hundred years at least, we've been defending ourselves. We don't forget our guilt. We accept it and strive to fix the damage caused by it, Heth was a mistake and he was treated like one. We accept that he should never have been given power and removed it. Thank you for not addressing my points and instead refusing to accept that the Federation has any guilt. You continue to prove my point. You lack of any self awareness is very helpful. Would of, could of, should ofGÇª. If the thing hadnGÇÖt of been, it wouldnGÇÖt have needed to be disposed of. It was a gun pointed at the head of the Federation, GÇÿyouGÇÖ knew it, and so did 'we'. GÇÿYouGÇÖ simply didnGÇÖt think 'we' would risk its removal. Wrong again. But I am told by my more dovish friends that GÇÿweGÇÖ should all be happy with the very amicable situation that currently exists. The thing is gone, the threat removed, and 'you' have re-occupied some of Luminaire VII. Funny how it doesnGÇÖt feel like win.. win.. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 135	Posted - 2016.06.03 20:42:11 - [110] - Quote Neph wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Assuming Noir's post war career wasn't a lie is it possible that either someone clonejacked him or he was being controlled in some other fashion? Some sort of tech derived from TCMC's or Sansha style cyber say? Granted to do this you would need to gain access to him at the right moment. Okaam's razor says that's implausible. Then that razor needs a bit of sharpening. What's implausible is someone working towards a goal for around a century and then throwing it away in an instant of totally uncharacteristic madness. *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 13	Posted - 2016.06.03 21:04:29 - [111] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Would of, could of, should ofGÇª. If the thing hadnGÇÖt of been, it wouldnGÇÖt have needed to be disposed of. It was a gun pointed at the head of the Federation, GÇÿyouGÇÖ knew it, and so did 'we'. GÇÿYouGÇÖ simply didnGÇÖt think 'we' would risk its removal. Wrong again. But I am told by my more dovish friends that GÇÿweGÇÖ should all be happy with the very amicable situation that currently exists. The thing is gone, the threat removed, and 'you' have re-occupied some of Luminaire VII. Funny how it doesnGÇÖt feel like win.. win.. Thank you for agreeing with me. It's very good of you to concede, even if it took you this long. Your historical revisionism is still obvious due to your phrasing, but I'm sure that will pass in time. Really, we should have destroyed Gallente Prime. After all, it had a defensive fleet. That was just a big gun pointed at Caldari Prime, ready to kill innocents. Mostly children. It would have been justified to attack, as you've stated. Right? Then, we should have claimed at least half of its surface as ours and oppressed the population native to it, for at least two hundred years. That's the right thing to do. That's the Gallente thing to do.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4257	Posted - 2016.06.03 21:17:14 - [112] - Quote Neph wrote: Okaam's razor says that's implausible. The Razor simply states that, all other things being equal, whichever explanation requires the fewest assumptions is the one most likely to be true. The idea that Noir orchestrated a century-long campaign of private hatred that manifested itself as throwing himself into sustained, constructive and effective peace activism in the hopes that this might - might, with no guarantees - someday put him in a situation to ram the station hosting a peace summit and that all of the starship deflection safety features built into said station - you know, the ones that stop us from ramming our own supercarriers into each others' outposts or whatever - would fail at the precise moment he chose to do so... I mean... that's quite the string of assumptions. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 300	Posted - 2016.06.03 21:33:06 - [113] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Neph wrote: Okaam's razor says that's implausible. The Razor simply states that, all other things being equal, whichever explanation requires the fewest assumptions is the one most likely to be true. The idea that Noir orchestrated a century-long campaign of private hatred that manifested itself as throwing himself into sustained, constructive and effective peace activism in the hopes that this might - might, with no guarantees - someday put him in a situation to ram the station hosting a peace summit and that all of the starship deflection safety features built into said station - you know, the ones that stop us from ramming our own supercarriers into each others' outposts or whatever - would fail at the precise moment he chose to do so... I mean... that's quite the string of assumptions. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that a tale of clonejacking and stealthily implanted TCMCs is an easy thread for Okaam to cut. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4257	Posted - 2016.06.03 22:14:45 - [114] - Quote Neph wrote: Stitcher wrote: Neph wrote: Okaam's razor says that's implausible. The Razor simply states that, all other things being equal, whichever explanation requires the fewest assumptions is the one most likely to be true. The idea that Noir orchestrated a century-long campaign of private hatred that manifested itself as throwing himself into sustained, constructive and effective peace activism in the hopes that this might - might, with no guarantees - someday put him in a situation to ram the station hosting a peace summit and that all of the starship deflection safety features built into said station - you know, the ones that stop us from ramming our own supercarriers into each others' outposts or whatever - would fail at the precise moment he chose to do so... I mean... that's quite the string of assumptions. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that a tale of clonejacking and stealthily implanted TCMCs is an easy thread for Okaam to cut. Less so than the face-value. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 475	Posted - 2016.06.03 22:28:29 - [115] - Quote Neph wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Natheniel wrote: I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized. But all testimony to his character indicates the war mellowed him out and made him hate war and especially the racial feud with the Caldari. In order to believe that his final words were indicative of his genuine motivations, he would've had to have made a deliberate effort to hide his true feelings and intentions for over a century. I think there would be some evidence of that, some crack in the armor, if that were the case, over such a long period of time. I find it hard to believe that one flies a Nyx into a station on a whim of passion. Somebody that impulsive would not be likely to rise to the station in life that Noir did. Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I made a really awful pun there. Wasn't intended. Assuming Noir's post war career wasn't a lie is it possible that either someone clonejacked him or he was being controlled in some other fashion? Some sort of tech derived from TCMC's or Sansha style cyber say? Granted to do this you would need to gain access to him at the right moment. Okaam's razor says that's implausible. And thus the fatal flaw of Occam's Razor. It focuses only on the number of assumptions and not the level of absurdity of each assumption. The absurdity of a claim is a total sum. One bizarre assumption taints a theory more than a few tiny ones. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 300	Posted - 2016.06.03 22:47:57 - [116] - Quote Frankly, all the possibilities require a frightening suspension of disbelief. I recognize my choice of belief is certainty tainted by emotion, but at this point, I simply find that many doubts and reasonable points of contradiction are raised, but I've got to believe something, and I choose to believe the explanation that is consistent with Gallente aggression, if not the previous actions of Noir himself. I expect somebody to be offended by this. Sorry about that. I saw Noir as a hope for reconciliation, and that vision was shattered before me in an extremely painful action that kinda cost me my sister's honor, my mother's life, the family I trusted, the okusaikan I loved, my idolized CEO, and a life of everything I'd ever built or dreamed for. If I'm a little bit dogmatic about having somebody to blame, I hope you understand. Also, don't Gallentize the spelling of Okaam's name. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4258	Posted - 2016.06.03 22:52:23 - [117] - Quote Neph wrote: I've got to believe something. No you don't. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 300	Posted - 2016.06.03 22:56:19 - [118] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Neph wrote: I've got to believe something. No you don't. And there we disagree. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4259	Posted - 2016.06.03 23:33:07 - [119] - Quote It's not a question of disagreeing, it's a question of fact. There are an infinite variety of subjects on which you hold no belief at all simply by dint of being ignorant of them. Do you believe that yttrium aluminium garnet is a more appropriate choice of solid-state laser for use in gem polishing than, say, Er:YLF or Cr:LISAF? Do you believe that OHK builds are an effective counter the banner meta in Aligned Stars? Do you believe that Shmerk should be made with coriander or with Ba seeds? You have no opinion on an endless variety of things. Not having an opinion is the default state of being. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1299	Posted - 2016.06.03 23:57:05 - [120] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: Really, we should have destroyed Gallente Prime. You are most welcome, and I thank you for joining Diana as another valuable tool in helping to educate the Federal population to the policies of conciliation. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 301	Posted - 2016.06.04 00:49:51 - [121] - Quote Stitcher wrote: It's not a question of disagreeing, it's a question of fact. There are an infinite variety of subjects on which you hold no belief at all simply by dint of being ignorant of them. Do you believe that yttrium aluminium garnet is a more appropriate choice of solid-state laser for use in gem polishing than, say, Er:YLF or Cr:LISAF? Do you believe that OHK builds are an effective counter the banner meta in Aligned Stars? Do you believe that Shmerk should be made with coriander or with Ba seeds? You have no opinion on an endless variety of things. Not having an opinion is the default state of being. True. So? I know that I will never ****** not* ave an opinion about in whom the blame lies for Malkalen. I don't blame the living, I blame the dead bastard Noir. If you wish to continue this conversation, which I really don't, please do everybody the favor of making a new thread. We've corrupted Kim's ~lovely~ OP--how tragic. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 301	Posted - 2016.06.04 00:51:00 - [122] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: Really, we should have destroyed Gallente Prime. You are most welcome, and I thank you for joining Diana as another valuable tool in helping to educate the Federal population to the policies of conciliation. Woosh. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 476	Posted - 2016.06.04 04:54:21 - [123] - Quote Neph wrote: Also, don't Gallentize the spelling of Okaam's name. I can't spell something using my own language? What about Ockham, the original localized spelling? Is that not acceptable? Only the Caldari spelling is? Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 17	Posted - 2016.06.04 11:52:31 - [124] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: Really, we should have destroyed Gallente Prime. You are most welcome, and I thank you for joining Diana as another valuable tool in helping to educate the Federal population to the policies of conciliation. Neph wrote: Woosh.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Therable Multicultural F1 Brigade 1912	Posted - 2016.06.04 13:21:58 - [125] - Quote I thought the Nyx fuel burning tritanium station beams discussions are annually discussed during the fourth quarter of every year. Who decided to move it up? The current quarter discussions of spooky content should be about: Minmatar Elders actually being a faction of the Jove who are fighting the Amarrians whose culture was influenced by an ancient transhumanist post-technological singularity faction of infomorph humans that used God as a social engineering tool under the guise of Serafim but also known as the First Order or Enhedduani. The Ametat and Avetat are actually Serafim mind control devices. The Sleepers killed Jamyl because she came under the control of a First Order/Enhedduani infomorph and this was confirmed by the scans done by the SOCT. Sansha Kuvakei prescribes to the ideology of the Enhedduani and this is why he begun the incursions to test technologies to elevate all of humanity into a pure infomorph gestalt entity. Ancient aliens beyond the Eve Gate.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.06.04 17:35:40 - [126] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I thought the Nyx fuel burning tritanium station beams discussions are annually discussed during the fourth quarter of every year. Who decided to move it up? The current quarter discussions of spooky content should be about: Minmatar Elders actually being a faction of the Jove who are fighting the Amarrians whose culture was influenced by an ancient transhumanist post-technological singularity faction of infomorph humans that used God as a social engineering tool under the guise of Serafim but also known as the First Order or Enhedduani. The Ametat and Avetat are actually Serafim mind control devices. The Sleepers killed Jamyl because she came under the control of a First Order/Enhedduani infomorph and this was confirmed by the scans done by the SOCT. Sansha Kuvakei prescribes to the ideology of the Enhedduani and this is why he begun the incursions to test technologies to elevate all of humanity into a pure infomorph gestalt entity. Ancient aliens beyond the Eve Gate. um yes of course
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2649	Posted - 2016.06.05 08:33:30 - [127] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Ancient aliens beyond the Eve Gate. Noodles instead of brains in Gesakaarin's head. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1174	Posted - 2016.06.05 09:43:11 - [128] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I thought the Nyx fuel burning tritanium station beams discussions are annually discussed during the fourth quarter of every year. Who decided to move it up? The current quarter discussions of spooky content should be about: Minmatar Elders actually being a faction of the Jove who are fighting the Amarrians whose culture was influenced by an ancient transhumanist post-technological singularity faction of infomorph humans that used God as a social engineering tool under the guise of Serafim but also known as the First Order or Enhedduani. The Ametat and Avetat are actually Serafim mind control devices. The Sleepers killed Jamyl because she came under the control of a First Order/Enhedduani infomorph and this was confirmed by the scans done by the SOCT. Sansha Kuvakei prescribes to the ideology of the Enhedduani and this is why he begun the incursions to test technologies to elevate all of humanity into a pure infomorph gestalt entity. Ancient aliens beyond the Eve Gate. That 'Interstellar History' channel broadcasts rubbish for as long as I can remember. Now it's all 'Jovians'. Previously it was about Heth and his soiled underpants or something or other. Even before that it was something about Amarr Empire conspiracy and 'Real Facts about Amarrian God' or similar. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4267	Posted - 2016.06.05 10:09:09 - [129] - Quote This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something. I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war... The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1443	Posted - 2016.06.05 14:15:08 - [130] - Quote Stitcher wrote: This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something. I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack. Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war... The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative. It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were. It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say. So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor. What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for. What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime. It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way. So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ? The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them. So... It was someone else. But who ? Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1208	Posted - 2016.06.05 14:30:47 - [131] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I thought the Nyx fuel burning tritanium station beams discussions are annually discussed during the fourth quarter of every year. Who decided to move it up? The current quarter discussions of spooky content should be about: Minmatar Elders actually being a faction of the Jove who are fighting the Amarrians whose culture was influenced by an ancient transhumanist post-technological singularity faction of infomorph humans that used God as a social engineering tool under the guise of Serafim but also known as the First Order or Enhedduani. The Ametat and Avetat are actually Serafim mind control devices. The Sleepers killed Jamyl because she came under the control of a First Order/Enhedduani infomorph and this was confirmed by the scans done by the SOCT. Sansha Kuvakei prescribes to the ideology of the Enhedduani and this is why he begun the incursions to test technologies to elevate all of humanity into a pure infomorph gestalt entity. Ancient aliens beyond the Eve Gate. That 'Interstellar History' channel broadcasts rubbish for as long as I can remember. Now it's all 'Jovians'. Previously it was about Heth and his soiled underpants or something or other. Even before that it was something about Amarr Empire conspiracy and 'Real Facts about Amarrian God' or similar. I miss when it was the Heth channel......
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.06.05 15:07:19 - [132] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Ancient aliens beyond the Eve Gate. Noodles instead of brains in Gesakaarin's head. for once we completely agree
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2016.06.05 18:59:13 - [133] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Stitcher wrote: This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something. I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack. Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war... The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative. It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were. It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say. So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor. What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for. What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime. It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way. So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ? The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them. So... It was someone else. But who ? the corporations that make isk from his war
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 306	Posted - 2016.06.06 01:34:20 - [134] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Stitcher wrote: This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something. I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack. Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war... The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative. It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were. It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say. So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor. What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for. What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime. It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way. So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ? The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them. So... It was someone else. But who ? The Jove, of course. See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is *very* enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1175	Posted - 2016.06.06 02:03:33 - [135] - Quote Neph wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: Stitcher wrote: This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something. I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack. Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war... The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative. It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were. It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say. So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor. What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for. What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime. It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way. So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ? The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them. So... It was someone else. But who ? The Jove, of course. See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is *very* enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before. And how exactly do the Jove, the ones who started the whole CONCORD idea to stop the rest of us from blowing the crap out of ourselves towards extinction event, benefit from THIS? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 500	Posted - 2016.06.06 04:09:19 - [136] - Quote If I could ram my Nyx into the servers that house the IGS I would. Only I would fit some kinetic hardeners and overheat my microwarp drive to do the job right. Seven pages of bullshit about things that can not change.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 306	Posted - 2016.06.06 04:20:49 - [137] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Neph wrote: The Jove, of course. See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is *very* enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before. And how exactly do the Jove, the ones who started the whole CONCORD idea to stop the rest of us from blowing the crap out of ourselves towards extinction event, benefit from THIS? See, this is why I stopped trying to be sarcastic over written media. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide." -Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 6010	Posted - 2016.06.06 06:37:32 - [138] - Quote The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion? "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 19	Posted - 2016.06.06 13:07:48 - [139] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion? That stopped being the subject a looong time ago.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2016.06.06 14:28:22 - [140] - Quote Neph wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: Stitcher wrote: This is why it's so important to go no further than to say "I'd like some proof" over the Malkalen Incident, rather than inserting your own conspiracy theory involving megacorps, or Jovians, or the... I dunno, The Broker or something. I mean, we KNOW how that station got blown up. A crapping great big spaceship rammed into it. I was there. Hell, I was the one who salvaged the chunk of its armor that was eventually donated to become the memorial to the attack. Except... the man ostensibly piloting it apparently had every motive not to do so. And space stations have built-in navigational deflectors to protect them against exactly that scenario. And these two glitches in normalcy coincided with a peace summit at the most delicate balancing point in Caldari-Gallente relations since the end of the war... The difference between a rational skeptic and a conspiracy theorist is that the former points out these discrepancies and goes not further than that, while the latter invents a narrative. It seems fairly obvious, that "Admiral Noir" who was piloting the FNS Wandering Saint, was an impostor. A lookalike. Such things are not uncommon, with cloning and gene-manipulation, not to mention actual infomorphic subversion. Clone doppelgangers as it were. It's a peculiar failing in the modern era, to place far too much emphasis on DNA and other technical evidence, and discounting human evidence. "The machine must be right!" people say. So if Admiral Noir's DNA was found in the remains of the capsule in the Wandering Saint, well, that does not rule out the possibility that it was a cloned impostor. What is not obvious though, is who that impostor was working for. What we do know though, is that there was sabotage at the Malkalen station. And we also know that Admiral Eturrer was a Gallente Navy admiral that betrayed the Federation during the invasion of Caldari Prime. It seems likely, that these events are connected in some way. So, who gained from plunging the Federation and State into war with each other ? The outcome didn't favour the Federation, so it probably wasn't them. And it didn't really favour the State either, what with the revealing of all of Black Rise, which had previously remained unknown, so it probably wasn't them. So... It was someone else. But who ? The Jove, of course. See, this is why I don't even bother wondering about some things. What you receive is nothing if not for an enigmatic answer. In short, such an answer is *very* enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions than before. the jove are dead ok
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1874	Posted - 2016.06.06 14:44:56 - [141] - Quote Ayallah wrote: If I could ram my Nyx into the servers that house the IGS I would. Only I would fit some kinetic hardeners and overheat my microwarp drive to do the job right. Seven pages of bullshit about things that can not change. Please don't destroy my realm it's the only one I have.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2652	Posted - 2016.06.06 15:32:02 - [142] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion? Mr. Tuulinen.... You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable. Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall. Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Cain Aloga Phoenix Enterprise Inc Guardians of the Morrigan 178	Posted - 2016.06.06 17:23:32 - [143] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it? While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1211	Posted - 2016.06.06 17:29:44 - [144] - Quote Don't worry, your not...
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 923	Posted - 2016.06.06 17:50:22 - [145] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: the jove are dead ok And good riddance! "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2652	Posted - 2016.06.06 17:50:42 - [146] - Quote Cain Aloga wrote: Diana Kim wrote: stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it? I am sorry for that. Of course, it shall be "repetitive propaganda", not "repetetive". Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rook Moray Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 169	Posted - 2016.06.06 17:55:18 - [147] - Quote Cain Aloga wrote: Diana Kim wrote: stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it? You're not...I see it too... GOONS ARE GALLENTE!! GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.06.06 18:15:28 - [148] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion? Mr. Tuulinen.... You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable. Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall. Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM. I only believe in freedom for all races (yes Caldari too) and my hatred of the draganurs comes from the fact that they did start the war and all I want is peace nothing more.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 483	Posted - 2016.06.06 18:17:02 - [149] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall. I read this almost in disbelief at the level of irony here, but then I remembered one of my favorite quotes, from an ancient Gallentean statesman. GÇ£Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness GÇô all of them due to the offendersGÇÖ ignorance of what is good or evil. But for my part I have long perceived the nature of good and its nobility, the nature of evil and its meanness, and also the nature of the culprit himself, who is my brother (not in the physical sense, but as a fellow creature similarly endowed with reason and a share of the divine); therefore none of those things can injure me, for nobody can implicate me in what is degrading. Neither can I be angry with my brother or fall foul of him; for he and I were born to work together, like a manGÇÖs two hands, feet or eyelids, or the upper and lower rows of his teeth. To obstruct each other is against NatureGÇÖs law GÇô and what is irritation or aversion but a form of obstruction.GÇ¥ Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.06.06 18:21:41 - [150] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Cain Aloga wrote: Diana Kim wrote: stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetitive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it? I am sorry for that. Of course, it shall be "repetitive propaganda", not "repetitive". How ironic for you of all people to call anything repetitive.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2653	Posted - 2016.06.06 18:32:24 - [151] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: I only believe in freedom for all races (yes Caldari too) and my hatred of the draganurs comes from the fact that they did start the war and all I want is peace nothing more. Both war 200 years ago and current war 7 years ago was started by gallenteans, and not by "draganurs". For Maker's sake... really.... draganurs?... I spilled my coffee. Slayer Liberator wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Cain Aloga wrote: Diana Kim wrote: stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetitive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it? I am sorry for that. Of course, it shall be "repetitive propaganda", not "repetitive". How ironic for you of all people to call anything repetitive. Speaking about repetitions, how many times one shall repeat a thing to gallente so they finally will be able to understand it, eh? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.06.06 19:04:14 - [152] - Quote The war 200 years ago was started in a misguided retaliation for the 500,000 civilians killed in Nouvelle Rouvenor and the one started 7 years ago was caused by the broker NOT admiral Noir. as for the second part, until you get some therapy.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1876	Posted - 2016.06.06 19:30:53 - [153] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Speaking about repetitions, how many times one shall repeat a thing to gallente so they finally will be able to understand it, eh? I don't know. Keep trying, you might get through to us yet.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4269	Posted - 2016.06.06 21:25:28 - [154] - Quote Repeating a falsehood a billion times doesn't make it a billion times more true... AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 137	Posted - 2016.06.06 21:42:20 - [155] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: The war 200 years ago was started in a misguided retaliation for the 500,000 civilians killed in Nouvelle Rouvenor and the one started 7 years ago was caused by the broker NOT admiral Noir. as for the second part, until you get some therapy. Sorry, what? There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths. I'm guessing you must be on personally friendly terms with the heads of half the intelligence agencies in the cluster to state that as a fact rather than a theory. Anyway. What would he get out of doing such a thing? *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1301	Posted - 2016.06.06 21:50:22 - [156] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I spilled my coffee. I have been told that 'we' invented coffee... aren't you being un-patriotic by drinking it? GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4269	Posted - 2016.06.06 21:51:07 - [157] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Sorry, what? There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths. Well, you never know. He could be real. And so could the elf who steals sausages from naughty children at Solstice. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2016.06.06 21:56:36 - [158] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: The war 200 years ago was started in a misguided retaliation for the 500,000 civilians killed in Nouvelle Rouvenor and the one started 7 years ago was caused by the broker NOT admiral Noir. as for the second part, until you get some therapy. Sorry, what? There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths. I'm guessing you must be on personally friendly terms with the heads of half the intelligence agencies in the cluster to state that as a fact rather than a theory. Anyway. What would he get out of doing such a thing? I know that from a... oh. well still I believe that the story that Noir was himself when the event happened is most likely propaganda and not the truth so i would not fully believe any particular story anyway.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1876	Posted - 2016.06.06 23:14:36 - [159] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Sorry, what? There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths. Well, you never know. He could be real. And so could the elf who steals sausages from naughty children at Solstice. That elf is real. I almost caught him last year.... next time, elf. Next time. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Therable Multicultural F1 Brigade 1917	Posted - 2016.06.07 02:14:19 - [160] - Quote I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1879	Posted - 2016.06.07 05:46:34 - [161] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1175	Posted - 2016.06.07 05:58:32 - [162] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... She has just about as much power as I do. Make alot of noise, be bloody irreverent and be as relevant as a gnat on winter-time. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1879	Posted - 2016.06.07 14:46:02 - [163] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... She has just about as much power as I do. Make alot of noise, be bloody irreverent and be as relevant as a gnat on winter-time. Negative. She is Caldari, and she has a just cause. No way can she be defeated! We should all know better. If we know what's good for us we mindlessly agree to support her and never question her vastly superior intellectual capacity and the righteous nature of her cause again! A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 6013	Posted - 2016.06.07 17:50:04 - [164] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion? Mr. Tuulinen.... You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable. Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall. Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM. It was blown up by terrorists and it provided the UNats with a pretence to seize power and initiate the bombardment of Home. What ever you think of Gallentean society, culture and politics I really don't see how attacking that city could be called necessary. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2653	Posted - 2016.06.07 22:33:42 - [165] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion? Mr. Tuulinen.... You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable. Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall. Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM. It was blown up by terrorists and it provided the UNats with a pretence to seize power and initiate the bombardment of Home. What ever you think of Gallentean society, culture and politics I really don't see how attacking that city could be called necessary. They are not terrorists, they are a culture preservation society. Have you ever talked with any of them and asked them if they are terrorists? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1216	Posted - 2016.06.07 22:48:43 - [166] - Quote Terrorists identify themselves as terrorists when asked?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2654	Posted - 2016.06.07 22:49:52 - [167] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Terrorists identify themselves as terrorists when asked? Of course. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1217	Posted - 2016.06.07 22:54:29 - [168] - Quote Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos)
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1885	Posted - 2016.06.07 22:58:31 - [169] - Quote Kimmy's logic is infallible. Do not question it. Of course a terrorist would Identity themselfs as terrorists, I mean, every Gallente that she's ever accused of terrorism has done such.... right? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1217	Posted - 2016.06.07 23:02:31 - [170] - Quote Well....... It could be some cultural thing, never know...
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1176	Posted - 2016.06.08 01:30:00 - [171] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Well....... It could be some cultural thing, never know... Probably because it's trendy at the time. The common Gallentean are fashion and trend victims. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1217	Posted - 2016.06.08 02:08:46 - [172] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Well....... It could be some cultural thing, never know... Probably because it's trendy at the time. The common Gallentean is a fashion and trend victim. There was this one time a Sani Sabik derivative became immensely popular with thousands of Gallenteans as members. All they do, however, is dress like, well, pale pontiffs and such, drink lots of red juice and act like cartoon villains. This went on for about a month before they decided that dressing up as Heth was 'the ****'. I kinda miss the heth days. They were..... Well...... Let's not go there.....
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 488	Posted - 2016.06.08 02:49:47 - [173] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Terrorists identify themselves as terrorists when asked? Of course. Oh honey no. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 22	Posted - 2016.06.08 02:54:11 - [174] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Terrorists identify themselves as terrorists when asked? Of course. You.. Uh.. How? How have you not died yet? How did you not drop yourself on your head as a baby?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1176	Posted - 2016.06.08 03:17:30 - [175] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Well....... It could be some cultural thing, never know... Probably because it's trendy at the time. The common Gallentean is a fashion and trend victim. There was this one time a Sani Sabik derivative became immensely popular with thousands of Gallenteans as members. All they do, however, is dress like, well, pale pontiffs and such, drink lots of red juice and act like cartoon villains. This went on for about a month before they decided that dressing up as Heth was 'the ****'. I kinda miss the heth days. They were..... Well...... Let's not go there..... If I recall the first time some Gallentean had the bright idea of parading around in a Heth costume just a month after Enturrer's execution, the Black Eagles came down on the whole group of Provist cosplayers hard. After what looked to be the third time this had happened they finally decided to stop that highly visible crackdown and just make people disappear instead. Fast forward to Roden's administration and him making it very clear that what the Black Eagles did was not okay and people were back to dressing up as Provists again. For a month at least. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 311	Posted - 2016.06.08 03:52:18 - [176] - Quote TIL I should follow Gallente cosplay politics. Even better than the mindclash idol rumor mill. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ GÇ£Nabesitasutonekisu-tagi, kiorei Orte Jaitovalte hessami-akogi useuus sufat. Hakkit garuketsi.GÇ¥ -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 122	Posted - 2016.06.08 03:59:49 - [177] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1220	Posted - 2016.06.08 04:45:53 - [178] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Oh it's quite simple, if your a terrorist and identify yourself as being an enemy to the people your attacking beforehand how is it supposed to be a terrorist action? That would just be an assault. Element of surprise is kinda key. Haven't you noticed after most terrorist attacks the aggressor makes a statement claiming responsibility after the attack? If its clear who attacked then how is it terrorism? The reasoning was well known when the drop ships landed. The gallantes who attacked your people weren't terrorists, they were soldiers fighting a war. They made their point clear right from the get go. Your people saw them and knew to run, those who died, well... The Amarr in a church that was randomly firebombed didn't see it coming. That was a terrorist action. Whether or not I agree with it being right or not is irrelevant but in every sense of the word THAT is terrorism.
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 123	Posted - 2016.06.08 05:16:28 - [179] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Karina Ivanovich wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Oh it's quite simple, if your a terrorist and identify yourself as being an enemy to the people your attacking beforehand how is it supposed to be a terrorist action? That would just be an assault. Element of surprise is kinda key. Haven't you noticed after most terrorist attacks the aggressor makes a statement claiming responsibility after the attack? If its clear who attacked then how is it terrorism? The reasoning was well known when the drop ships landed. The gallantes who attacked your people weren't terrorists, they were soldiers fighting a war. They made their point clear right from the get go. Your people saw them and knew to run, those who died, well... The Amarr in a church that was randomly firebombed didn't see it coming. That was a terrorist action. Whether or not I agree with it being right or not is irrelevant but in every sense of the word THAT is terrorism. Soldiers don't intentionally kill civilians Deitra. That is what terrorists do. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1177	Posted - 2016.06.08 05:58:26 - [180] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Karina Ivanovich wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Oh it's quite simple, if your a terrorist and identify yourself as being an enemy to the people your attacking beforehand how is it supposed to be a terrorist action? That would just be an assault. Element of surprise is kinda key. Haven't you noticed after most terrorist attacks the aggressor makes a statement claiming responsibility after the attack? If its clear who attacked then how is it terrorism? The reasoning was well known when the drop ships landed. The gallantes who attacked your people weren't terrorists, they were soldiers fighting a war. They made their point clear right from the get go. Your people saw them and knew to run, those who died, well... The Amarr in a church that was randomly firebombed didn't see it coming. That was a terrorist action. Whether or not I agree with it being right or not is irrelevant but in every sense of the word THAT is terrorism. Soldiers don't intentionally kill civilians Deitra. That is what terrorists do. Soldiers do kill civilians if they are ordered to. As for why, either it's bad intel or command knows something and aren't telling. Does not make it any less excusable. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2654	Posted - 2016.06.08 07:29:48 - [181] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) First, terrorist is a soldier, and second, Ms. Vess, I am afraid you are mistaken a terrorist with a saboteur or diversant. It is a job of a diversant to have an element of surprise, to destroy a target without being noticed. Terrorist's job is to inflict fear and panic with their actions. Terrorists destroy targets not by military value, but by public value. Their actions are targeted to cause public resonance instead of supporting military advances. I think closest thing you can think are freedom fighters with their infamous motto "Fear the tribes". This is a typical terrorist approach, and it is not surprising taking into account that both freedom fighters and terrorists are unprofessional military troops. And third, even more professional soldier than a terrorist won't tell you his occupation if they are hostile to you. On the other hand, if terrorists are from the same camp of yours, and especially if you outrank them, of course they will tell you their occupation. It's just like asking a capsuleer if he is a pilot. Caldari State doesn't though employ terrorist squads and we don't use terror doctrine in military operations (unlike Minmatars with their "Fear the Tribes" thing), because it is unprofessional, it is waste of resources, and terror is considered a poor man's war. Returning to Templis Dragonaurs, they aren't part of State military forces, so they pretty much can be terrorists by themselves since they don't have to follow our doctrines. But because they are still our people and fight for our State, a person like Mr. Tuulinen could indeed simply asked them if they are terrorists or not to recieve plain answer. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1220	Posted - 2016.06.08 12:46:58 - [182] - Quote I got to agree with Elmund on this one, and Diana those are actually really good points I didn't think of, my bad.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 492	Posted - 2016.06.08 13:18:50 - [183] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Karina Ivanovich wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Karina Ivanovich wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Oh it's quite simple, if your a terrorist and identify yourself as being an enemy to the people your attacking beforehand how is it supposed to be a terrorist action? That would just be an assault. Element of surprise is kinda key. Haven't you noticed after most terrorist attacks the aggressor makes a statement claiming responsibility after the attack? If its clear who attacked then how is it terrorism? The reasoning was well known when the drop ships landed. The gallantes who attacked your people weren't terrorists, they were soldiers fighting a war. They made their point clear right from the get go. Your people saw them and knew to run, those who died, well... The Amarr in a church that was randomly firebombed didn't see it coming. That was a terrorist action. Whether or not I agree with it being right or not is irrelevant but in every sense of the word THAT is terrorism. Soldiers don't intentionally kill civilians Deitra. That is what terrorists do. Soldiers do kill civilians if they are ordered to. As for why, either it's bad intel or command knows something and aren't telling. Does not make it any less excusable. Once you deliberately butcher civilians, you're a terrorist. Terrorism is a tricky word to define, but I think the most fair, uncolored definition would be "the use of violence and intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims." Soldiers are promoting their nation-state, which is a political aim. They are not definitionally exempt from being terrorists. Diana actually seems to be sort of right on this one. The line between terrorist and freedom fighter is very thin. Two different people can look at the same act of terror/liberation, one can say "That is a terrorist" the other can say "That is a freedom fighter", and it'd be hard to unambiguously tell who is more accurate. I think the only fair way of distinguishing a terrorist from a freedom fighter is the method. Everyone thinks they're fighting for freedom, so the goal isn't enough. You need to deliberately avoid civilian casualties and do your best to promote the general welfare of the population during the struggle if you want to be known as a freedom fighter. However, Diana is definitely still naive to think the Dragonaurs would see themselves as terrorists, it's not how the human mind works. The Dragonaurs probably see themselves as cultural preservers or even freedom fighters. I very highly doubt they would view themselves as terrorists even if they are/were. It's not in our nature, save psychopaths and sociopaths, to want to be a terrorist, so our minds would try to rationalize our actions if we were. There's a reason "the greater good" is such an old cliche. It's a comforting lie that tyrants tell themselves to justify their actions. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1889	Posted - 2016.06.08 13:51:05 - [184] - Quote It would also matter which side of the fight you're on as to who uses what label for you. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2657	Posted - 2016.06.08 14:55:16 - [185] - Quote Terrorist isn't a label, it is occupation. Only ignorants and idiots use it as insult or label. Shaming peoples for being a terrorist is same as shaming cooks. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1892	Posted - 2016.06.08 14:56:09 - [186] - Quote How do you function? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 128	Posted - 2016.06.08 15:12:14 - [187] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Terrorist isn't a label, it is occupation. Only ignorants and idiots use it as insult or label. Shaming peoples for being a terrorist is same as shaming cooks. Wat? Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 494	Posted - 2016.06.08 15:37:47 - [188] - Quote Damnit, she went potato again. The fleeting moments of reason we manage to extract from her from time to time are nice, though. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2658	Posted - 2016.06.08 16:52:56 - [189] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: How do you function? Shall I send you an anatomy book? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1894	Posted - 2016.06.08 18:15:53 - [190] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: How do you function? Shall I send you an anatomy book? A psychology book would be of more use here. But even then, a diagnosis of your mental illness would still be elusive. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8403	Posted - 2016.06.08 18:31:49 - [191] - Quote It really wouldn't be elusive, Ms. Osyn. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2659	Posted - 2016.06.08 20:00:18 - [192] - Quote I would like to remind everyone that Makoto Priano is a dishonorable liar and coward. Makoto Priano is well known for lying about me, and right now she does the same - spreads baseless insults. Obviously, this vile creature has no access to my medical files. But since she is too coward to stand for her rotten words, I suggest everyone to simply discard what she tells. And correct answer to Ms. Osyn question should be: healthy, just as was stated by last certified State psychiatrician who conducted thorough psychological examination. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1894	Posted - 2016.06.08 20:20:54 - [193] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: It really wouldn't be elusive, Ms. Osyn. Combine that with her extra chromosome and you may be on to something... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2016.06.09 22:34:53 - [194] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: How do you function? that's what I wanted to know
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2016.06.09 22:39:55 - [195] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I would like to remind everyone that Makoto Priano is a dishonorable liar and coward. Makoto Priano is well known for lying about me, and right now she does the same - spreads baseless insults. Obviously, this vile creature has no access to my medical files. But since she is too coward to stand for her rotten words, I suggest everyone to simply discard what she tells. And correct answer to Ms. Osyn question should be: healthy, just as was stated by last certified State psychiatrician who conducted thorough psychological examination. If they called you healthy then they need their certification revoked.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.10 00:23:07 - [196] - Quote And this is, dear readers, a typical example of a brainwashed gallentean. You can see now yourself, that polite reasonable conversations and negotiations with them are impossible. The only way to deal with them is not through talks. Just look at this 'Slayer Liberator's face next time you want to talk with gallente. The only way to deal with them is by force. They won't understand words anyway. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Black Parable 1921	Posted - 2016.06.10 05:14:17 - [197] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities?
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 139	Posted - 2016.06.10 05:39:39 - [198] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities? I support the downfall of the Gallente Federation's Government just as much as any Caldari Officer should. However, I will not fly with someone that is in such obvious need of loving treatment. I respect you Kim. I even like you most of the time. But please, get some help, there are some of us that care about you as an individual. We can see that there is deep emotional trauma lurking below your words. There are better ways to solve these things than the extermination of every Gallente citizen you find. I hope you find inner peace, so that you may wage war with a clear heart. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 42	Posted - 2016.06.10 06:07:40 - [199] - Quote If you must exterminate us be quick about it. Your talk of honor makes my ears bleed. Tristan
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1179	Posted - 2016.06.10 06:40:35 - [200] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities? Ms. Osyn is being sarcastic. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 522	Posted - 2016.06.10 16:18:17 - [201] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities? S A V A G E A V A G E Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1905	Posted - 2016.06.10 16:39:13 - [202] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it. The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts. We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities? Ms. Osyn is being sarcastic. This. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Slayer Liberator The Scope Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.06.10 19:29:25 - [203] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: And this is, dear readers, a typical example of a brainwashed gallentean. You can see now yourself, that polite reasonable conversations and negotiations with them are impossible. The only way to deal with them is not through talks. Just look at this 'Slayer Liberator's face next time you want to talk with gallente. The only way to deal with them is by force. They won't understand words anyway. I'm not gonna bother with an argument when it is so clear that I can't change your opinion so I am resorting to provoking responses that show your immeasurable delusion and stupidity so thanks for the help
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1448	Posted - 2016.06.10 19:42:40 - [204] - Quote The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was necessary, to allow the construction of Nouvelle Nouvelle Rouvenor, to commemorate the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor, and the symbolic metaphorisms of said destruction and reconstruction. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.11 02:39:10 - [205] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Diana Kim wrote: And this is, dear readers, a typical example of a brainwashed gallentean. You can see now yourself, that polite reasonable conversations and negotiations with them are impossible. The only way to deal with them is not through talks. Just look at this 'Slayer Liberator's face next time you want to talk with gallente. The only way to deal with them is by force. They won't understand words anyway. I'm not gonna bother with an argument when it is so clear that I can't change your opinion so I am resorting to provoking responses that show your immeasurable delusion and stupidity so thanks for the help Speaking about immeasurable delusion and stupidity: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6519166#post6519166 Slayer Liberator wrote: I only believe in freedom for all races (yes Caldari too) and my hatred of the draganurs comes from the fact that they did start the war and all I want is peace nothing more. "Dragonurs" .... that's my dear an iyammarrok-grade stupidity. And immeasurable delusion here we can see as well, with claim that 'dragonurs start the war'. That delusion is probably based on his ignorance about history and the events happened back then. Gallente Federation tried to put back Caldari into Federation after we have seceded. A typical brainwashed gallente replaces facts that he is ignorant about with his mental directive that federation can't do anything wrong. People like him could even deny existence of Duvalier, gallentean ultra-nationalists and prison camps in Black Rise, where Caldari prisoners of war are tortured by inhuman methods. Does anyone think that you could negotiate with this gallentean? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 426	Posted - 2016.06.11 09:53:50 - [206] - Quote if you really must try to insult me Diana, do so with correct grammar. Claiming that someone is stupid for an obvious typo, while failing so completely to write correctly, (the OP proves you are capable) is amusing. Also, your distorted view of history needs some work. As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust. -Tertianus Rethelior. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.11 10:12:08 - [207] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust. And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 20	Posted - 2016.06.11 16:44:01 - [208] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust. And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand. I have had an easier time solo killing Drifter battleships in a Velator than getting anything through your immeasurably thick skull so I guess I'll try blasters next
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 426	Posted - 2016.06.11 19:50:17 - [209] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust. And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand. Firstly, your terminology is incorrect. it's 'Intaki' and 'Dismissal' Not 'Gallente' and 'Argument' Now, go pray in your happy little heth shrine like the terrorist sympathiser you have openly admitted being. -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.11 20:24:36 - [210] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: like the terrorist sympathiser you have openly admitted being. Go back to your kindergarten with your pseudo-moralism idiocy. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.11 20:40:31 - [211] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Diana Kim wrote: iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust. And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand. I have had an easier time solo killing Drifter battleships in a Velator than getting anything through your immeasurably thick skull so I guess I'll try blasters next I think I have offered you once it already https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6513983#post6513983 Diana Kim wrote: Excellent. Do you know how to find me, or I need to send direct instruction where to come like for 1-day old noobies? You did neither come nor asked me for direction... So, is that all that gallentean peoples can do? Only bark on forums with foam at their mouth, but on the sight of actual fight they are hiding their heads into their censored? I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 20	Posted - 2016.06.11 22:26:34 - [212] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: Diana Kim wrote: iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust. And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand. I have had an easier time solo killing Drifter battleships in a Velator than getting anything through your immeasurably thick skull so I guess I'll try blasters next I think I have offered you once it already https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6513983#post6513983 Diana Kim wrote: Excellent. Do you know how to find me, or I need to send direct instruction where to come like for 1-day old noobies? You did neither come nor asked me for direction... So, is that all that gallentean peoples can do? Only bark on forums with foam at their mouth, but on the sight of actual fight they are hiding their heads into their censored? I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. Notify me when you will be flying and I will duel you
Solu Terona Alexylva Paradox 95	Posted - 2016.06.12 19:08:08 - [213] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots; You'll notice I use the term 'accept,' rather than 'agree.' One can accept a thing without agreeing with it. As for dissent, well, that's a discussion for another day, as social mores will vary from corporation to corporation. As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. However, the cituation that I will find myself in the area of operation of TD by accident is highly unlikely, and there's another option - that I was sent there to intercept a group. In that case I will engage TD vessels as well, but on condition that the targets will be specified explicitly (again, by a superior officer who will send me into the area), i.e. will be named as Templis Dragonaurs vessels, and not 'terrorist' or something like that. And of course, in that case only after they finish their job. Let it be known that noted Provist Diana Kim has herein expressed a desire to aid a terrorist organization in direct violation of state law, preserved here to prevent tampering. For broken ships, a song. For broken hearts, a dance. For broken lives, a moment. For broken souls, let them mourn.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.12 20:57:22 - [214] - Quote Though only a complete ignorant would dare to call me a Provist. Of course, I would be honored to be a Provist during the time when they existed, but still calling me like that is an utter idiocy, peculiar only to a selected breed of trolls. Please disregard their words as they bear no value just as persons who speak them. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 529	Posted - 2016.06.13 12:02:57 - [215] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2660	Posted - 2016.06.13 13:12:36 - [216] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us. You might oppress some of our peoples though, mostly - defenceless colonists and prisoners of war. But you can't stand against the united might of Caldari Navy when it is backed by all other corporations. The Federation will be destroyed. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 534	Posted - 2016.06.13 15:43:33 - [217] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us. So "we" managed to take, occupy and hold Caldari Prime whilst also running away? Goddamn, we're really effective at trying. Just imagine what it would look like if we tried a little harder. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2661	Posted - 2016.06.13 17:06:35 - [218] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us. So "we" managed to take, occupy and hold Caldari Prime whilst also running away? Goddamn, we're really effective at trying. Just imagine what it would look like if we tried a little harder. You would die. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 535	Posted - 2016.06.13 18:12:22 - [219] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us. So "we" managed to take, occupy and hold Caldari Prime whilst also running away? Goddamn, we're really effective at trying. Just imagine what it would look like if we tried a little harder. You would die. There is no need to be upset. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1911	Posted - 2016.06.14 03:13:31 - [220] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Jason Galente wrote: Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away. If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us. So "we" managed to take, occupy and hold Caldari Prime whilst also running away? Goddamn, we're really effective at trying. Just imagine what it would look like if we tried a little harder. You would die. I have my doubts about that. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Lord Kailethre Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag 294	Posted - 2016.06.15 12:32:53 - [221] - Quote How did this garbage propagate eleven pages of argument?
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 384	Posted - 2016.06.15 12:55:06 - [222] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: How did this garbage propagate eleven pages of argument? NO U!
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1240	Posted - 2016.06.15 13:04:25 - [223] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: How did this garbage propagate eleven pages of argument? Because I guess new Eden just loves to watch a trash fire.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1913	Posted - 2016.06.15 14:47:24 - [224] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: How did this garbage propagate eleven pages of argument? Two words: Kimmy thread. Honestly, how could it not? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2662	Posted - 2016.06.16 06:33:32 - [225] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: How did this garbage propagate eleven pages of argument? Garbage here is only in your head, kind sir. Though, if you wanted to become something like Vess or Osyn, congratulations, you have achieved it. I hope you will like it there down below. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1244	Posted - 2016.06.16 12:25:47 - [226] - Quote To be fair Kim the original topic wasn't really garbage, the 9+ pages after were. Also welcome to the club Kailethre! I'm sure you've met, you know.... The rest of the people in the igs so I'll spare the trouble of introductions.
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 428	Posted - 2016.06.16 20:23:47 - [227] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: How did this garbage propagate eleven pages of argument? In order to fully understand the effect rabies has on a wild Kim, you must perform rigorous testing, (henceforth referred to as 'poke with stick') Therefore, every time the infected wild Kim appears, you must apply the 'poke with stick' method. It's remarkably effective at producing results. SCIENCE! -Tertianus Rethelior Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1305	Posted - 2016.06.16 21:32:23 - [228] - Quote Indeed... Eleven pages.... But sense we are all being pointless why not contribute! I keep trying to tell everyone she is simply an lonely awkward girl...., a love interest would solve many of her outstanding pathological anger and trust issues. Is there no one with the courage to even try? No one sane I mean... You know who you are. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1917	Posted - 2016.06.17 00:01:54 - [229] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Indeed... Eleven pages.... But sense we are all being pointless why not contribute! I keep trying to tell everyone she is simply an lonely awkward girl...., a love interest would solve many of her outstanding pathological anger and trust issues. Is there no one with the courage to even try? No one sane I mean... You know who you are. I tried. She rejected me.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1195	Posted - 2016.06.17 01:14:07 - [230] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Indeed... Eleven pages.... But sense we are all being pointless why not contribute! I keep trying to tell everyone she is simply an lonely awkward girl...., a love interest would solve many of her outstanding pathological anger and trust issues. Is there no one with the courage to even try? No one sane I mean... You know who you are. Love requires acceptance and consent on both sides. She doesn't want to accept or consent, so how can she possibly acquire a love interest? No, the rubber missiles and Thoraxes do not count. They are not sentient beings and cannot give consent, let alone a hug. (I also found her personality noxious. This is long before I got balled-and-chained and teased relentlessly by the missus) A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1917	Posted - 2016.06.17 01:33:52 - [231] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: (This is long before I got balled-and-chained and teased relentlessly by the missus) Sounds like my people's culture is treating you well.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1245	Posted - 2016.06.17 01:48:54 - [232] - Quote And this is why the federation must be destroyed?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1195	Posted - 2016.06.17 02:06:39 - [233] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: (This is long before I got balled-and-chained and teased relentlessly by the missus) Sounds like my people's culture is treating you well.... But this isn't what I meant. It's a metaphor for marriage and the missus likes to pop in and out at random and make fun of me whenever I drop my guard and do something weird absent-mindedly. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1245	Posted - 2016.06.17 02:11:23 - [234] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: (This is long before I got balled-and-chained and teased relentlessly by the missus) Sounds like my people's culture is treating you well.... But this isn't what I meant. It's a metaphor for marriage and the missus likes to pop in and out at random and make fun of me whenever I drop my guard and do something weird absent-mindedly. Isn't your wife a Breacher anyways?
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1307	Posted - 2016.06.17 02:12:48 - [235] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Love requires acceptance and consent on both sides. She doesn't want to accept or consent, so how can she possibly acquire a love interest? No, the rubber missiles and Thoraxes do not count. They are not sentient beings and cannot give consent, let alone a hug. Mr. Egivand. I don't think I have had the pleasure of speaking with you directly before. Unfortunately I must do so then, in disagreement. Love.. true love is selfless and absolute, it requires nether acceptance nor consent. As to rubber missiles... I will defer to your expertise. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1195	Posted - 2016.06.17 02:45:07 - [236] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Love requires acceptance and consent on both sides. She doesn't want to accept or consent, so how can she possibly acquire a love interest? No, the rubber missiles and Thoraxes do not count. They are not sentient beings and cannot give consent, let alone a hug. Mr. Egivand. I don't think I have had the pleasure of speaking with you directly before. Unfortunately I must do so then, in disagreement. Love.. true love is selfless and absolute, it requires nether acceptance nor consent. As to rubber missiles... I will defer to your expertise. True love is selfless and therefore accepting. True love also works both ways, just like any relationship. If one party is all take and no give, that relationship is going to crash within a few years or less. As for what is given, one of the things given is 'acceptance', along with others. Love is like an engine fire. It must be stoked lest the fire fades and the engine stalls. A selfish prat who wants all the heat but does not give it the fuel will not receive the fires for very long. And ask Kim about her collection of rubber missiles. She's the expert here. Also, Vess, you are not my wife! My wife has exclusive rights to teasing me! A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1245	Posted - 2016.06.17 02:58:52 - [237] - Quote Wait I thought.. Uh never mind. My bad....
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1918	Posted - 2016.06.17 04:50:20 - [238] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Also, Vess, you are not my wife! My wife has exclusive rights to teasing me! Wonder if she'll rent out those rights.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1199	Posted - 2016.06.17 06:28:44 - [239] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Also, Vess, you are not my wife! My wife has exclusive rights to teasing me! Wonder if she'll rent out those rights.... Nope. Knowing her, suggesting that to her leads to many bad things happening. Also, I am not sure my ribcage can handle another one of those episodes. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 964	Posted - 2016.06.18 15:33:49 - [240] - Quote My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 20	Posted - 2016.06.18 16:10:57 - [241] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. Do you know the consequences of CONCORD's destruction? It would be just fine for us immortals but the suffering that mortals would face would be horrible
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 138	Posted - 2016.06.18 16:17:08 - [242] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. You are speaking of the attack on the Angel run Serpentis shipyard? If this is the case then why are you so angry at someone doing to the Cartel exactly what it has done to others on numerous occasions? *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 964	Posted - 2016.06.18 21:19:13 - [243] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. You are speaking of the attack on the Angel run Serpentis shipyard? If this is the case then why are you so angry at someone doing to the Cartel exactly what it has done to others on numerous occasions? I'm sorry, I must have missed the Scope report. When exactly did Serpentis or the Cartel drop an Astrahus onto a populated planet? Look at what's been reported. Look at what's not being reported. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 964	Posted - 2016.06.18 21:20:03 - [244] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. Do you know the consequences of CONCORD's destruction? It would be just fine for us immortals but the suffering that mortals would face would be horrible We do just fine out here in Fade without CONCORD mucking around in our business. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 322	Posted - 2016.06.19 05:12:29 - [245] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: I'm sorry, I must have missed the Scope report. When exactly did Serpentis or the Cartel drop an Astrahus onto a populated planet? ...uh, the Evaulon raid? ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ GÇ£Nabesitasutonekisu-tagi, kiorei Orte Jaitovalte hessami-akogi useuus sufat. Hakkit garuketsi.GÇ¥ -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2665	Posted - 2016.06.19 05:30:15 - [246] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Indeed... Eleven pages.... But sense we are all being pointless why not contribute! I keep trying to tell everyone she is simply an lonely awkward girl...., a love interest would solve many of her outstanding pathological anger and trust issues. Is there no one with the courage to even try? No one sane I mean... You know who you are. I tried. She rejected me.... In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 86	Posted - 2016.06.19 09:20:58 - [247] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.20 04:06:17 - [248] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. Do you know the consequences of CONCORD's destruction? It would be just fine for us immortals but the suffering that mortals would face would be horrible We do just fine out here in Fade without CONCORD mucking around in our business. what about everyone else
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.20 04:08:51 - [249] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: My .02 ISK? Given the events of yesterday and the complete lack of response by "loyalist" Capsuleers, the lot of you no longer have any moral leg to stand on. Kim is right. The Federation must be destroyed. So too, the Republic, the State, the Empire and especially your masters in CONCORD. Mr. Mokk, don't tell you do agree with me if you write something opposite to what I was saying, in the best case you just present yourself as ignorant. Let me put it down again simple so even someone as you could understand to avoid such... replies from you in the future. 1. Yes, I have been saying that the Federation must be destroyed. 2. No, I never said anywhere that the State or Empire shall be destroyed. 3. I have argumented my point of view why the Federation shall be destroyed on multiple occasions and there are plenty of reasons, for which I dedicated whole discussion threads. And finally... If you dare to claim that the State shall be destroyed, try at least to bring a damn single one reason. And be so kind to argument it properly. Start a thread and explain yourself. And if you can't... just shut up and don't embarrass yourself further. he iclaiming that all of the empires must be destroyed
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.20 04:11:03 - [250] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Indeed... Eleven pages.... But sense we are all being pointless why not contribute! I keep trying to tell everyone she is simply an lonely awkward girl...., a love interest would solve many of her outstanding pathological anger and trust issues. Is there no one with the courage to even try? No one sane I mean... You know who you are. I tried. She rejected me.... In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. not perversion but preference
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.20 04:12:06 - [251] - Quote Kolodi Ramal wrote: Diana Kim wrote: In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. what language is that
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3309	Posted - 2016.06.20 05:53:50 - [252] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: I'm sorry, I must have missed the Scope report. When exactly did Serpentis or the Cartel drop an Astrahus onto a populated planet? Look at what's been reported. Look at what's not being reported. Would you care to provide references for your claims. Last I looked Astrahus were Citadels, not Shipyards. And last I looked it was reported that no debris had struck the surface but all the parts had burnt up on entry. It seems to me you are attempting to twist reality here.
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 88	Posted - 2016.06.20 08:15:30 - [253] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Kolodi Ramal wrote: Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. what language is that Mahagran Vherok-Mataori. Some of our words don't translate because they're too complex and would come out as a long string of words mashed together. The choice to only use words like that was an implication-insult: there is no point using words Diana Kim can understand because there are no words Diana Kim can understand.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1213	Posted - 2016.06.20 09:09:00 - [254] - Quote Kolodi Ramal wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: Kolodi Ramal wrote: Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. what language is that Mahagran Vherok-Mataori. Some of our words don't translate because they're too complex and would come out as a long string of words mashed together. The choice to only use words like that was an implication-insult: there is no point using words Diana Kim can understand because there are no words Diana Kim can understand. I certainly do not recognise that language. Huh. Then again my Clan only ever converse in Matari Standard. Except our Chief, who negotiates deals with Vherokhior because those cunning cunts stick only use their own language in writing contracts. In these contracts, every two sentence has double-meaning. It gave him an aneurysm. The sheer number of languages and dialects the Minmatar have is overwhelming. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2666	Posted - 2016.06.20 09:43:31 - [255] - Quote Kolodi Ramal wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: Kolodi Ramal wrote: Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. what language is that Mahagran Vherok-Mataori. Some of our words don't translate because they're too complex and would come out as a long string of words mashed together. The choice to only use words like that was an implication-insult: there is no point using words Diana Kim can understand because there are no words Diana Kim can understand. Or maybe it isn't your words 'very complex', but your brain is not complex enough to be able to provide structured explanation and translation. If your minmatar brain is pathologically unable to participate in discussion without insulting your opponents in discussion (and please note that my answer wasn't directed neither to you, nor to your primitive race when you decided to pop out to troll me, but rather to gallenteans and their sick behavior), then you shall leave public media and go back to slave pen, where you could work perfectly fine with your hands and feet, for example, to carry weights, because it's rather obvious that you can't work with your head. And as a conclusion, if you, filthy animal, bark something on your primitive language and I can't understand you, it doesn't mean I don't understand other words. You might be surprised, but I do understand what everyone else write in this forum. Obviously, except you. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1936	Posted - 2016.06.20 14:40:40 - [256] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Indeed... Eleven pages.... But sense we are all being pointless why not contribute! I keep trying to tell everyone she is simply an lonely awkward girl...., a love interest would solve many of her outstanding pathological anger and trust issues. Is there no one with the courage to even try? No one sane I mean... You know who you are. I tried. She rejected me.... In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. You're breaking my heart all over again, love. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
iyammarrok Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron 430	Posted - 2016.06.20 19:48:09 - [257] - Quote The irony here of course, is that Kimmy often resorts to insulting people in Napaani on these boards. Then complains that others have the audacity to use another non-standard language to converse here. more SCIENCE hard at work! I'm honestly starting to think that Kimmy's first ever cloning went a bit wrong and administered the neurotoxin just a millisecond or two early. Would explain a lot. -Tertianus Rethelior. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2666	Posted - 2016.06.20 20:10:29 - [258] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: The irony here of course, is that Kimmy often resorts to insulting people in Napaani on these boards. Then complains that others have the audacity to use another non-standard language to converse here. more SCIENCE hard at work! I'm honestly starting to think that Kimmy's first ever cloning went a bit wrong and administered the neurotoxin just a millisecond or two early. Would explain a lot. -Tertianus Rethelior. And iyammarrok here again display mental quality of a person who would call himself a 'rock'. I guess I should explain once more for our 'rock'-minded 'friends', that I leave for myself right to insult space trash who decided to attack me, but I never attack first those, who behaves politely and respectfully, provided they aren't open enemies of the State (members of FDU, TLF or other explicit enemy whom I shall shot down on contact without asking question). This Kolodi Ramal person has intervened into conversation that doesn't touch him in order to simply troll and insult me. Same qualities here express this 'i am a rock' person as well. You two, Kolodi Ramal and iyammarrok, have no place in civilized society and shall not be allowed to civilized discussions. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1937	Posted - 2016.06.20 20:26:08 - [259] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: The irony here of course, is that Kimmy often resorts to insulting people in Napaani on these boards. Then complains that others have the audacity to use another non-standard language to converse here. more SCIENCE hard at work! I'm honestly starting to think that Kimmy's first ever cloning went a bit wrong and administered the neurotoxin just a millisecond or two early. Would explain a lot. -Tertianus Rethelior. Obviously because she is Caldari and therefore superior. Napanii is the only language that should be spoken, she only resorts to speaking basic because us inferior being don't understand her glorious native language... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1937	Posted - 2016.06.20 20:36:11 - [260] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: You two, Kolodi Ramal and iyammarrok, have no place in civilized society and shall not be allowed to civilized discussions. For the love of the Gods, you are arrogant. Just because they don't like or respect you doesn't mean that they are uncivilized. You also lack the authority to prevent them from engaging in discussions of any sort. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1252	Posted - 2016.06.20 20:39:51 - [261] - Quote Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks!
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1939	Posted - 2016.06.20 20:42:48 - [262] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Like she would let us foul her beloved language by putting it in our mouth..... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1252	Posted - 2016.06.20 20:46:08 - [263] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Like she would let us foul her beloved language by putting it in our mouth..... Well Osynhaan, if she didn't then how am I supposed to clearly describe my intentions to her sulo or whatever it is.
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 965	Posted - 2016.06.20 21:18:27 - [264] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: I'm sorry, I must have missed the Scope report. When exactly did Serpentis or the Cartel drop an Astrahus onto a populated planet? Look at what's been reported. Look at what's not being reported. Would you care to provide references for your claims. Last I looked Astrahus were Citadels, not Shipyards. And last I looked it was reported that no debris had struck the surface but all the parts had burnt up on entry. It seems to me you are attempting to twist reality here. Look at the image provided. I've been involved in the destruction of more than one Citadel and the explosion pattern is the same. Citadels are able to do more than just house ships and their purposes are expanding. And the point is, again, what is not being reported. My sources are much closer to the events. We have a claer case of SCOPE reporting one thing on one day (no evidence of Serpentis Capitals-despite evidence here on IGS to the contrary) and then reporting the destruction of a Serpentis/Cartel shipyard the next. Who exactly is twisting reality here? "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3310	Posted - 2016.06.20 21:52:58 - [265] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: We have a claer case of SCOPE reporting one thing on one day (no evidence of Serpentis Capitals-despite evidence here on IGS to the contrary) and then reporting the destruction of a Serpentis/Cartel shipyard the next. Who exactly is twisting reality here? No, we simply have a clear case of you lacking literacy. The Scope report was about no hard evidence of super capitals. Not regular capitals. Also a clear lack of you lacking understanding about stock images and believing the scope was along on a secret attack. So yeah, come back when you actually have some real evidence to complain about. Much as this entire topic being discussed here is simply a Kimmy joke.
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1310	Posted - 2016.06.21 00:28:55 - [266] - Quote Kolodi Ramal wrote: Diana Kim wrote: In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. I could not have said it better. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2667	Posted - 2016.06.21 01:21:34 - [267] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Sure, if you'd like to have rotten tomatoes tossed to your face. "Freedom fighter" in Napanii is "Vaajpa Sentokan" As for terrorist, I am not sure it would provoke any form of reaction, terrorists are just terrorists. Well, maybe we would laugh at you a bit, since you don't look very scary. Maybe instead of calling yourself a terrorist, say something like 'Yarrr!' Show us your war face? And... cute sebiestor squeaking "Fear the tribes!" That gonna be so funny! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1254	Posted - 2016.06.21 02:09:03 - [268] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Sure, if you'd like to have rotten tomatoes tossed to your face. "Freedom fighter" in Napanii is "Vaajpa Sentokan" As for terrorist, I am not sure it would provoke any form of reaction, terrorists are just terrorists. Well, maybe we would laugh at you a bit, since you don't look very scary. Maybe instead of calling yourself a terrorist, say something like 'Yarrr!' Show us your war face? And... cute sebiestor squeaking "Fear the tribes!" That gonna be so funny! in a squeaky voice Fear the tribes! (Something I can't recall ever yelling in combat honestly. I show up for a reason, I don't think I need to point it out) I don't call myself a terrorist by the way, I really only shoot those who shoot back. As a sign of thanks I won't make a joke about you calling me a "cute sebiestor girl." Thanks again!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1215	Posted - 2016.06.21 03:01:45 - [269] - Quote I only ever yell internally in combat and it's usually 'RAAAAWR!' or 'AHAHAHAHAHA!'. Actually no, 'AHAHAHAHAHA!' wasn't me. Or was it? My memories are hazy. Cripes. Better check the logs again. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1255	Posted - 2016.06.21 03:31:05 - [270] - Quote Yelling and such makes me lose my focus, don't even do that...
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1216	Posted - 2016.06.21 04:01:45 - [271] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Yelling and such makes me lose my focus, don't even do that... Yelling in local takes the time that is better spent warping in and locking targets. It also announces intention to everyone in local, remove all doubt. I do not do it. I yell internally to embolden myself, usually pre-fight. Wait, the 'AHAHAHAHA!' I keep hearing in my head happens during the fight. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2668	Posted - 2016.06.21 12:18:52 - [272] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: I don't call myself a terrorist by the way, I really only shoot those who shoot back. This is good, really good. Though I don't understand the obsession of peoples with terrorism... on words and lack of terrorists on action. So many peoples are emphasizing terrorism, like it is something important. But where are real terrorists? Have you seen any lately around? What is even worse, some rotten-brained idiots even was barking that I was either a terrorist or was 'supporting' terrorism, after I clearly said myself that tactics of terrorism is inefficient, I'd never support such amateur way of warfare. I guess failure to read is a common symptom of spreading capsuleer dementia. But in any way, I am glad you are not one of them. We have had enough Naupliuses, Noirs and iyammarroks. Though I still wonder, why would you ask that then? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1255	Posted - 2016.06.21 13:08:45 - [273] - Quote Honestly, I kinda assumed it would be implied by my question that that was what I was referring to myself as such. Has it happened? It certainly has, though I'm not proud of it. At the same time I think you'll agree following orders is important and you don't always know every detail in a combat situation. (Majority of the times it happened was home defense fleets with CO2 way back and raids on provide later. My own fleets and the majority of my time flying in combat it's been an unspoken rule not to.)
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 965	Posted - 2016.06.21 14:46:44 - [274] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: We have a claer case of SCOPE reporting one thing on one day (no evidence of Serpentis Capitals-despite evidence here on IGS to the contrary) and then reporting the destruction of a Serpentis/Cartel shipyard the next. Who exactly is twisting reality here? No, we simply have a clear case of you lacking literacy. The Scope report was about no hard evidence of super capitals. Not regular capitals. Also a clear lack of you lacking understanding about stock images and believing the scope was along on a secret attack. So yeah, come back when you actually have some real evidence to complain about. Much as this entire topic being discussed here is simply a Kimmy joke. Serpentis and the Cartel have been able to produce both Capital and Super Capital ships, despite the Scope reporting otherwise. If you have any doubts, I can arrange for you to meet one. I'm curious though as to why this discussion has put so much sand in your shorts. You clearly miss the entire point. I am merely pointing out that while people like you cry about Nouvelle Rouvenoror or Caldari Prime, you're quick to turn a blind eye when CONCORD or your governments engage in the same actions against civilian populations in NullSec. But you're right, there is no sense in bringing this up here. Deeds, not words. Keep an eye to the sky. We'll formulate a proper response in due time. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.21 15:54:53 - [275] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Like she would let us foul her beloved language by putting it in our mouth..... Well Osynhaan, if she didn't then how am I supposed to clearly describe my intentions to her sulo or whatever it is. If she misunderstood what you ment by declare your intentions then she might still shoot you
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.21 15:58:23 - [276] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Kolodi Ramal wrote: Diana Kim wrote: In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. I could not have said it better. What does that mean
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 24	Posted - 2016.06.21 16:00:38 - [277] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Sure, if you'd like to have rotten tomatoes tossed to your face. "Freedom fighter" in Napanii is "Vaajpa Sentokan" As for terrorist, I am not sure it would provoke any form of reaction, terrorists are just terrorists. Well, maybe we would laugh at you a bit, since you don't look very scary. Maybe instead of calling yourself a terrorist, say something like 'Yarrr!' Show us your war face? And... cute sebistor squeaking "Fear the tribes!" That gonna be so funny! You realize that a sebistor can make a point defense system and prevent your main weapon from dealing damage
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1256	Posted - 2016.06.21 16:01:33 - [278] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Kim, how do you say freedom fighter in Napaani? I want to know how to clearly identify myself if we end up on your side of the cluster. No this is not a troll and yes I'd like to know how to say terrorist too if possible. Thanks! Like she would let us foul her beloved language by putting it in our mouth..... Well Osynhaan, if she didn't then how am I supposed to clearly describe my intentions to her sulo or whatever it is. If she misunderstood what you ment by declare your intentions then she might still shoot you Well, I think I'm on that special list that gets a light missile salute like most people who post here, let's just call it a formality on my part.... Added: Defender missiles aren't worth the wasted utility slot on any load out. A neut on the other hand.....
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2668	Posted - 2016.06.22 13:19:05 - [279] - Quote I am really tired from replying to trolling, and I suggest everyone to review the topic and return to the subject. The main idea was that Nouvelle Rouvenor is an invasion attempt on Caldari Prime. It wasn't invasion in the military sense, but the situation was fixed by military methods. Of course it is only a hypothesis, because nobody who lived back then can't tell us anymore what happened back then. We can only analyze gallentean behavior and build parallels to what they are doing now. We can also take a look at those who took responsibility for this operation (and though we can't confirm that Dragonaurs did it, we can believe them, that they did it, because if they are honorable, they wouldn't lie), and make a conclusion that it was a culture warfare. Now, two hundred years later, gallenteans have attacked us again. And while we have to defend ourselves and fight for our own sovereignty and our colonists to protect them from gallentean atrocities, we shall also use military approach against gallente cultural invasion as well. It is our duty to prevent forming of new 'Nouvelle Rouvenor's and 'Port Roulette's, and shall we find them existing, they must be dismantled. Just like all the remaining gallente settlements on Caldari Prime. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1948	Posted - 2016.06.22 14:53:07 - [280] - Quote 1) if you're tired of responding to trolls: Don't. 2) I'm actually growing weary of listening to you paint my people as the devil incarnate. 3) a discussion on this matter with you is going to be fruitless for the simple fact that no matter what you won't be able to accept any views that contradict you own. 4) please review point 3 for an explanation of why so many people troll your threads. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1258	Posted - 2016.06.22 15:28:06 - [281] - Quote To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s?
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 139	Posted - 2016.06.22 19:27:21 - [282] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 32	Posted - 2016.06.22 19:37:16 - [283] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. And in my case while I'm Gallente I have since renounced my loyalty to the Federation the day I joined the Horde but I still don't want genocide of anyone.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1261	Posted - 2016.06.22 20:25:22 - [284] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. I fully agree with ya, aside from helping allies (who mind you are more than capable of dealing with their own problems themself), what's the point of fighting the state? After the warzone was under control I very easily could have redeployed there to gain some extra isk but in the end aside from that there was nothing really to drive me to fight them. Unless Kim really feels their allies are inadequate, which obviously they're not, what's the point?
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1311	Posted - 2016.06.22 21:25:25 - [285] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Kolodi Ramal wrote: Diana Kim wrote: In Caldari State same sex marriages are neither acknowledged nor legal. We aren't savages like gallentes to allow such deviation and unnatural perversion. Kyfigatkla hatsk blovitt. I could not have said it better. I know it may surprise some but I am something of an amateur archaeologist, and thus am often interested in the esoteric. So when I heard Mr. RamalGÇÖs reply to Miss. Kim at first I simply chuckled and moved right along. But the rhythmical nature of the statement especially considering the context prompted me to deeper reflection. It took a bit, but after considerable trouble, and one or two altercationsGÇª. I was actually able to have a rather disagreeable panel of experts agree on a translation for Mr. RamalGÇÖs statement. So, forgive if I GÇÿrephraseGÇÖ the translation to make it more palatable to the more genteel patrons of the Summit. KyGÇÖfigatGÇÖklaGÇª I hope I pronounced that correctly, GÇÿrefers to a morally reprehensible person who GÇÿhasGÇÖ to seek amatory companionship outside of their species.GÇÖ TheGÇÖmhatGÇÖsk or perhaps ThemGÇÖhatGÇÖskGÇª but forgive me there were knives out by this point and I didnGÇÖt think pressing those involved wiseGÇª but, GÇÿrefers to a bitter, unlikable person who hates other peoples happiness.GÇÖ PitiaGÇÖblebloGÇÖvittGÇª seems to be bestGÇª although there is some disagreement, translated, GÇÿone who speaks nonsense.GÇÖ But I am told the inflection used indicates that said nonsensical expressions are due to flaw in personality not a mental affliction. Have you ever done something you knew you would later regret? Well this is one of those times. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2669	Posted - 2016.06.23 01:52:29 - [286] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. Well, I can easily explain it with my experience. I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves. After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully. The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State. Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me. In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with. Have I answered your question? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1950	Posted - 2016.06.23 02:43:52 - [287] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. Well, I can easily explain it with my experience. I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves. After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully. The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State. Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me. In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with. Have I answered your question? Now, I don't want to upset you. But have you ever stopped to consider (and bear with me on this one) that with so many people acting that way towards you, that maybe you are the problem? Not that I'm saying that there is anything wrong with being formal or patrotic, just, maybe turn it down a noch or two and get some thicker skin.... metaphorically speaking. You have a habit of attacking anyone (verbally or physically) who would point out a character flaw you have or made a remark that challenges your world view instead of reflecting on it and allowing yourself to try and see from their perspective. It makes you rather disagreeable and it's easier to just poke fun at you instead of trying to engage in any serious disscussion as we already know that you're unwilling to try to reach an agreeable compromise.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1261	Posted - 2016.06.23 03:02:19 - [288] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. Well, I can easily explain it with my experience. I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves. After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully. The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State. Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me. In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with. Have I answered your question? Now, I don't want to upset you. But have you ever stopped to consider (and bear with me on this one) that with so many people acting that way towards you, that maybe you are the problem? Not that I'm saying that there is anything wrong with being formal or patrotic, just, maybe turn it down a noch or two and get some thicker skin.... metaphorically speaking. You have a habit of attacking anyone (verbally or physically) who would point out a character flaw you have or made a remark that challenges your world view instead of reflecting on it and allowing yourself to try and see from their perspective. It makes you rather disagreeable and it's easier to just poke fun at you instead of trying to engage in any serious disscussion as we already know that you're unwilling to try to reach an agreeable compromise.... I think it's more of an issue of generalizing a whole group of people based on the interactions of a few..... I don't recall her ever saying any of us were good people though a select few I recall hearing about constantly.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 1950	Posted - 2016.06.23 03:10:50 - [289] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate. Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s? I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. Well, I can easily explain it with my experience. I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves. After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully. The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State. Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me. In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with. Have I answered your question? Now, I don't want to upset you. But have you ever stopped to consider (and bear with me on this one) that with so many people acting that way towards you, that maybe you are the problem? Not that I'm saying that there is anything wrong with being formal or patrotic, just, maybe turn it down a noch or two and get some thicker skin.... metaphorically speaking. You have a habit of attacking anyone (verbally or physically) who would point out a character flaw you have or made a remark that challenges your world view instead of reflecting on it and allowing yourself to try and see from their perspective. It makes you rather disagreeable and it's easier to just poke fun at you instead of trying to engage in any serious disscussion as we already know that you're unwilling to try to reach an agreeable compromise.... I think it's more of an issue of generalizing a whole group of people based on the interactions of a few..... I don't recall her ever saying any of us were good people though a select few I recall hearing about constantly. There's that too..... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 140	Posted - 2016.06.23 17:52:36 - [290] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us. I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it. Well, I can easily explain it with my experience. I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves. After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully. The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State. Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me. In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with. Have I answered your question? I see. Well, I can't speak for the moral character of Matari you have had personal involvement with as I don't think I know any of them that well. However as to your observations about visible skin and tatoos. As I understand it one of the main objections of the Caldari as a people to the conduct of the Gallente as a people is that they are trying to change and warp Caldari society and culture in ways that are unwelcome. Our culture includes displaying one's status and history on our skins. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no? *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 556	Posted - 2016.06.24 20:29:55 - [291] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no? Diana Kim is definitely more than a little hypocritical. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2672	Posted - 2016.06.25 01:16:14 - [292] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: I see. Well, I can't speak for the moral character of Matari you have had personal involvement with as I don't think I know any of them that well. However as to your observations about visible skin and tatoos. As I understand it one of the main objections of the Caldari as a people to the conduct of the Gallente as a people is that they are trying to change and warp Caldari society and culture in ways that are unwelcome. Our culture includes displaying one's status and history on our skins. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no? Well, a certain gallentean troll comment about my 'hypocricy' aside, lets just assume he is too ignorant. However, your assessment about me being hypocritical is way far fetched, and I'd demand you in future to watch for your words about Caldari Officers, since they attract such stupid trolls like this gallentean, and for that you are now partly responsible, and thus I am afraid I will have to treat you from now on as a typical tribal. Anyway, I am not going to argue with gallentean idiots, I still have to push your minmatar nose into a the mistake that brought out this gallentean filth. First of all, I don't freaking care what you do in YOUR territory, even if you are running around naked, copulating like wild animals without marriage and wave your fllthy organs to each other faces as greeting, that's not my freaking business. Learn to read my damn words, tribal. I said I was only DISGUSTED as YOUR kin represented themselves, implying PUBLIC appearance. Did I ever say I visited your words for that, tribal? Can you FIND where I said it? Because you freaking can't, because I never said it. Because what YOU do with YOUR skin is indecent and filthy, and how you present yourselves to Caldari representatives, it is utterly DISGUSTING. That's the same thing what GALLENTE was doing. They have same filthy lack of morals like you tribal, and they too show their animalistic savage tendencies by walking around with their stuff uncovered. Do you think it is freaking PLEASING looking at naked bodies? That's just TERRIBLE. We don't tell you to accept our way of life, we don't tell you to follow Caldari laws and traditions, don't demand you to drink tea, we don't even demand you end your freaking slavery (oh yes, because minmatar Angels are most infamous slavers, and that's again YOUR freaking problem, not ours). So tell me TRIBAL, why the hell YOU are pushing YOUR naked bodies and filth to OUR noses, displaying it in public where not only YOU, minmatars are present?! Have you ever thought you would embarass other patrons? Or your minmatars brains are too tiny to realize it?! Luckily I don't have to visit your filthy worlds, so I don't have to follow your disgusting 'culture', but if I would have to, I would respect your filth. Because, yea, whatever it is, it is yours. But when you come out, be so freaking kind to behave like a civilized human, and if you utterly fail at it, then let Amarr bring you as a slave on a leash. Or in a cage like freaking wild animal. Got it, tribal?! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
morion Lighting Build 96	Posted - 2016.06.25 03:06:53 - [293] - Quote That's pretty hurtful Diana Kim. Tribe have thick skin. Stick those racist words in the trash my love.
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 748	Posted - 2016.06.25 04:05:38 - [294] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: I see. Well, I can't speak for the moral character of Matari you have had personal involvement with as I don't think I know any of them that well. However as to your observations about visible skin and tatoos. As I understand it one of the main objections of the Caldari as a people to the conduct of the Gallente as a people is that they are trying to change and warp Caldari society and culture in ways that are unwelcome. Our culture includes displaying one's status and history on our skins. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no? Well, a certain gallentean troll comment about my 'hypocricy' aside, lets just assume he is too ignorant. However, your assessment about me being hypocritical is way far fetched, and I'd demand you in future to watch for your words about Caldari Officers, since they attract such stupid trolls like this gallentean, and for that you are now partly responsible, and thus I am afraid I will have to treat you from now on as a typical tribal. Anyway, I am not going to argue with gallentean idiots, I still have to push your minmatar nose into a the mistake that brought out this gallentean filth. First of all, I don't freaking care what you do in YOUR territory, even if you are running around naked, copulating like wild animals without marriage and wave your fllthy organs to each other faces as greeting, that's not my freaking business. Learn to read my damn words, tribal. I said I was only DISGUSTED as YOUR kin represented themselves, implying PUBLIC appearance. Did I ever say I visited your words for that, tribal? Can you FIND where I said it? Because you freaking can't, because I never said it. Because what YOU do with YOUR skin is indecent and filthy, and how you present yourselves to Caldari representatives, it is utterly DISGUSTING. That's the same thing what GALLENTE was doing. They have same filthy lack of morals like you tribal, and they too show their animalistic savage tendencies by walking around with their stuff uncovered. Do you think it is freaking PLEASING looking at naked bodies? That's just TERRIBLE. We don't tell you to accept our way of life, we don't tell you to follow Caldari laws and traditions, don't demand you to drink tea, we don't even demand you end your freaking slavery (oh yes, because minmatar Angels are most infamous slavers, and that's again YOUR freaking problem, not ours). So tell me TRIBAL, why the hell YOU are pushing YOUR naked bodies and filth to OUR noses, displaying it in public where not only YOU, minmatars are present?! Have you ever thought you would embarass other patrons? Or your minmatars brains are too tiny to realize it?! Luckily I don't have to visit your filthy worlds, so I don't have to follow your disgusting 'culture', but if I would have to, I would respect your filth. Because, yea, whatever it is, it is yours. But when you come out, be so freaking kind to behave like a civilized human, and if you utterly fail at it, then let Amarr bring you as a slave on a leash. Or in a cage like freaking wild animal. Got it, tribal?! The answer is "No". Anyone ever tell you that you're a prude? Also those clothes have a purpose, We don't sit here and trash that over starched, ugly uniform you're so proud of do we? I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Clan Ogunkoya 142	Posted - 2016.06.25 06:43:26 - [295] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Well, a certain gallentean troll comment about my 'hypocricy' aside, lets just assume he is too ignorant. However, your assessment about me being hypocritical is way far fetched, and I'd demand you in future to watch for your words about Caldari Officers, since they attract such stupid trolls like this gallentean, and for that you are now partly responsible, and thus I am afraid I will have to treat you from now on as a typical tribal. Anyway, I am not going to argue with gallentean idiots, I still have to push your minmatar nose into a the mistake that brought out this gallentean filth. First of all, I don't freaking care what you do in YOUR territory, even if you are running around naked, copulating like wild animals without marriage and wave your fllthy organs to each other faces as greeting, that's not my freaking business. Learn to read my damn words, tribal. I said I was only DISGUSTED as YOUR kin represented themselves, implying PUBLIC appearance. Did I ever say I visited your words for that, tribal? Can you FIND where I said it? Because you freaking can't, because I never said it. Because what YOU do with YOUR skin is indecent and filthy, and how you present yourselves to Caldari representatives, it is utterly DISGUSTING. That's the same thing what GALLENTE was doing. They have same filthy lack of morals like you tribal, and they too show their animalistic savage tendencies by walking around with their stuff uncovered. Do you think it is freaking PLEASING looking at naked bodies? That's just TERRIBLE. We don't tell you to accept our way of life, we don't tell you to follow Caldari laws and traditions, don't demand you to drink tea, we don't even demand you end your freaking slavery (oh yes, because minmatar Angels are most infamous slavers, and that's again YOUR freaking problem, not ours). So tell me TRIBAL, why the hell YOU are pushing YOUR naked bodies and filth to OUR noses, displaying it in public where not only YOU, minmatars are present?! Have you ever thought you would embarass other patrons? Or your minmatars brains are too tiny to realize it?! Luckily I don't have to visit your filthy worlds, so I don't have to follow your disgusting 'culture', but if I would have to, I would respect your filth. Because, yea, whatever it is, it is yours. But when you come out, be so freaking kind to behave like a civilized human, and if you utterly fail at it, then let Amarr bring you as a slave on a leash. Or in a cage like freaking wild animal. Got it, tribal?! I see. So, these public venues where my kin upset you with displays of nudity. Did they have any rules against that sort of behaviour? If so then, yes, that was impolite in the extreme. If not then surely you should look into what a venue allows before you go there? Incidentally. Calling me tribal is not an insult on my terms, because I am a member in good standing of two Republican Minmatar clans. I understand you mean it that way but it makes no more sense than me calling you a corporate or pilot as an insult. It's just a statement of fact. *Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.*
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 38	Posted - 2016.06.25 09:26:14 - [296] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: I see. Well, I can't speak for the moral character of Matari you have had personal involvement with as I don't think I know any of them that well. However as to your observations about visible skin and tatoos. As I understand it one of the main objections of the Caldari as a people to the conduct of the Gallente as a people is that they are trying to change and warp Caldari society and culture in ways that are unwelcome. Our culture includes displaying one's status and history on our skins. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no? Well, a certain gallentean troll comment about my 'hypocricy' aside, lets just assume he is too ignorant. However, your assessment about me being hypocritical is way far fetched, and I'd demand you in future to watch for your words about Caldari Officers, since they attract such stupid trolls like this gallentean, and for that you are now partly responsible, and thus I am afraid I will have to treat you from now on as a typical tribal. Anyway, I am not going to argue with gallentean idiots, I still have to push your minmatar nose into a the mistake that brought out this gallentean filth. First of all, I don't freaking care what you do in YOUR territory, even if you are running around naked, copulating like wild animals without marriage and wave your fllthy organs to each other faces as greeting, that's not my freaking business. Learn to read my damn words, tribal. I said I was only DISGUSTED as YOUR kin represented themselves, implying PUBLIC appearance. Did I ever say I visited your words for that, tribal? Can you FIND where I said it? Because you freaking can't, because I never said it. Because what YOU do with YOUR skin is indecent and filthy, and how you present yourselves to Caldari representatives, it is utterly DISGUSTING. That's the same thing what GALLENTE was doing. They have same filthy lack of morals like you tribal, and they too show their animalistic savage tendencies by walking around with their stuff uncovered. Do you think it is freaking PLEASING looking at naked bodies? That's just TERRIBLE. We don't tell you to accept our way of life, we don't tell you to follow Caldari laws and traditions, don't demand you to drink tea, we don't even demand you end your freaking slavery (oh yes, because minmatar Angels are most infamous slavers, and that's again YOUR freaking problem, not ours). So tell me TRIBAL, why the hell YOU are pushing YOUR naked bodies and filth to OUR noses, displaying it in public where not only YOU, minmatars are present?! Have you ever thought you would embarass other patrons? Or your minmatars brains are too tiny to realize it?! Luckily I don't have to visit your filthy worlds, so I don't have to follow your disgusting 'culture', but if I would have to, I would respect your filth. Because, yea, whatever it is, it is yours. But when you come out, be so freaking kind to behave like a civilized human, and if you utterly fail at it, then let Amarr bring you as a slave on a leash. Or in a cage like freaking wild animal. Got it, tribal?! See folks this is yet another reason why the federation shouldn't have bombarded Caldari Prime. It produces people like this. Kim please get some help.my entire family was killed in Nuovulle Rouvenor and I got help believe it or not I was just like you and I wanted to destroy the Caldari state now after my full rehabilitation I only want to touture the people responsible to death.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2672	Posted - 2016.06.25 10:24:16 - [297] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: See folks this is yet another reason why the federation shouldn't have bombarded Caldari Prime. It produces people like this. Kim please get some help.my entire family was killed in Nuovulle Rouvenor and I got help believe it or not I was just like you and I wanted to destroy the Caldari state now after my full rehabilitation I only want to touture the people responsible to death. ... Slayer Liberator wrote: my entire family was killed in Nuovulle Rouvenor And you are what now, 210-250 years old man?... Need me to bring you a cup of tea and your favorite crutch?.. See, dear readers, to what extend gallente are twitching to write lies and make up stuff just to insult Caldari officers? Anyone still believes that negotiations with these peoples are possible? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 568	Posted - 2016.06.25 15:58:06 - [298] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots; As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups.You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. However, the cituation that I will find myself in the area of operation of TD by accident is highly unlikely, and there's another option - that I was sent there to intercept a group. In that case I will engage TD vessels as well, but on condition that the targets will be specified explicitly (again, by a superior officer who will send me into the area), i.e. will be named as Templis Dragonaurs vessels, and not 'terrorist' or something like that. *And of course, in that case only after* they finish their job.** Daily reminder that this was a thing Diana Kim said. Diana, this is what you don't understand. Nobody lies about you because nobody needs to lie about you. You say these sort of things open-ended in highly public places. We all know what you are like. You're convincing nobody, you are the boy who cried wolf and you always will be. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Aradina Varren Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 45	Posted - 2016.06.25 21:32:30 - [299] - Quote This thread is still happening. Let's recap. Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it. One of the dudes posting here claims to be over 200 hundred years old and wants to torture long, long dead people to death. Jason is a man-whore(Not related. Simply worth stating.) Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist. I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry. Did I miss anything?
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 39	Posted - 2016.06.26 01:34:13 - [300] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: See folks this is yet another reason why the federation shouldn't have bombarded Caldari Prime. It produces people like this. Kim please get some help.my entire family was killed in Nuovulle Rouvenor and I got help believe it or not I was just like you and I wanted to destroy the Caldari state now after my full rehabilitation I only want to touture the people responsible to death. ... Slayer Liberator wrote: my entire family was killed in Nuovulle Rouvenor And you are what now, 210-250 years old man?... Need me to bring you a cup of tea and your favorite crutch?.. See, dear readers, to what extend gallente are twitching to write lies and make up stuff just to insult Caldari officers? Anyone still believes that negotiations with these peoples are possible? Actually I did lie my grandfather survived but he was the only survivor from my family but he also helped the ones responsible so he was disowned and later I killed him myself.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 39	Posted - 2016.06.26 01:36:42 - [301] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: This thread is still happening. Let's recap. Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it. One of the dudes posting here claims to be over 200 hundred years old and wants to torture long, long dead people to death. Jason is a man-whore(Not related. Simply worth stating.) Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist. I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry. Did I miss anything? I don't mean the ones directly responsible I mean the Provists who support their actions
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2739	Posted - 2016.07.29 21:15:50 - [302] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: This thread is still happening. Let's recap. Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it. It might be okay from the common sense, but not okay for military professionals, like Caldari Navy and yours truly. It is a waste or resources and effort for dubious and insignificant gains. Aradina Varren wrote: Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist. Definitely not. Aradina Varren wrote: I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry. Did I miss anything? The subject. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 81	Posted - 2016.07.30 04:54:06 - [303] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Aradina Varren wrote: This thread is still happening. Let's recap. Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it. It might be okay from the common sense, but not okay for military professionals, like Caldari Navy and yours truly. It is a waste or resources and effort for dubious and insignificant gains. Aradina Varren wrote: Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist. Definitely not. Aradina Varren wrote: I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry. Did I miss anything? The subject. Yea you are a hohormonal 18 year old who is DEFINITELY racist
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2022	Posted - 2016.07.30 05:01:14 - [304] - Quote For the love of me, WHO WAS THE NECROMANCER THAT REVIVED THIS!?! A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 81	Posted - 2016.07.30 05:06:26 - [305] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: For the love of me, WHO WAS THE NECROMANCER THAT REVIVED THIS!?! Kim did it
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2022	Posted - 2016.07.30 05:52:29 - [306] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: For the love of me, WHO WAS THE NECROMANCER THAT REVIVED THIS!?! Kim did it ffs Sigh A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8528	Posted - 2016.07.30 06:00:22 - [307] - Quote Eh. Ignore it. She's just trying to rile people up in a minimalist way now that the CRC is actually trying to enforce its rules. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2022	Posted - 2016.07.30 06:04:40 - [308] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Eh. Ignore it. She's just trying to rile people up in a minimalist way now that the CRC is actually trying to enforce its rules. Aux needs to lock this thread before it becomes **** storm all over again..... Or it's just going to sit at the top of my feed being ckick bait for those who can't resist. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1304	Posted - 2016.07.30 06:24:51 - [309] - Quote Sad thing is (not really that sad but still) it probably won't get that bad due to just that....
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2022	Posted - 2016.07.30 06:46:37 - [310] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Sad thing is (not really that sad but still) it probably won't get that bad due to just that.... Give it a day or two... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Karina Ivanovich Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 192	Posted - 2016.07.30 07:27:27 - [311] - Quote I would like to remind everyone that there are some Caldari that do not find the other races to be detestable. Most Caldari are welcoming of every race, including Gallenteans, as long as they also respect our own culture and customs. Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2742	Posted - 2016.07.30 07:44:31 - [312] - Quote Karina Ivanovich wrote: I would like to remind everyone that there are some Caldari that do not find the other races to be detestable. Most Caldari are welcoming of every race, including Gallenteans, as long as they also respect our own culture and customs. As long as they also respect our own culture and customs. This part shall be emphasized. But a culture invasion that gallente are trying to pull off must be stopped. Currently they are, feeling unable to shift our minds with their propaganda, are simply trying to genocide whole Caldari colonies in occupied systems in Black Rise and replace them by gallentean colonists, who bear with them Gallente ideals and culture instead of ours. Federals must pay for what they are doing. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Ollie Rundle 256	Posted - 2016.07.30 08:05:26 - [313] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Eh. Ignore it. She's just trying to rile people up in a minimalist way now that the CRC is actually trying to enforce its rules. In lieu of CRC intervention, We're obliged to return to bad rhymes with intention To shut down this thread Until it is dead And can't be necro'd again despite Kim's penchant
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1343	Posted - 2016.07.30 21:41:13 - [314] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Federals must pay for what they are doing. I do apologize but I am getting very forgetful, would you please tell me again what 'we' are doing that so upsets you? GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 81	Posted - 2016.07.30 21:49:22 - [315] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Federals must pay for what they are doing. I do apologize but I am getting very forgetful, would you please tell me again what 'we' are doing that so upsets you? Existing of course
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1343	Posted - 2016.07.30 22:07:27 - [316] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Federals must pay for what they are doing. I do apologize but I am getting very forgetful, would you please tell me again what 'we' are doing that so upsets you? Existing of course Oh... Well thank you for the reminder. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 81	Posted - 2016.07.30 22:10:16 - [317] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Federals must pay for what they are doing. I do apologize but I am getting very forgetful, would you please tell me again what 'we' are doing that so upsets you? Existing of course Oh... Well thank you for the reminder. Why you are welcome do you know how much we have to pay
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1347	Posted - 2016.07.31 00:41:24 - [318] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Federals must pay for what they are doing. I do apologize but I am getting very forgetful, would you please tell me again what 'we' are doing that so upsets you? Existing of course Oh... Well thank you for the reminder. Why you are welcome do you know how much we have to pay No, but considering the exchange rate it won't be much. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."

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