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Yakia TovilToba
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:47:00 -
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Ok i know the missionrunner-capital in the new missions to come will be carriers. But in case someone does not like to train much in drones, is there a way to do them in a dread ?
I'm pretty sure it will be easy in a gallente dread, with the moros having a large dronebay and 50% drone dmg + resistance bonuse each lvl.
But what's with the caldari one ?
The Phoenix can only carry 5 heavy drones, so once one is lost he can't replace it in fight and they are weak anyways compared to that buffed moros drones.
So how about killing smaller targets, battelships or even battelcruiser with a dread ?
Entering siegemod the damage would decrease on anything faster than ~10 m/s (125m/s -92.5%) and with a smaller sig than 1000m. So slowing down each target with webi drones ? Would consume too much time i think.
But are there maybe other ways to use it ?
For example, 3 tech 2 cruise missile launcher with precise missiles ? If i calculated well they would deal full damage on anything slower then around 110m/s, or the launchers could be fit with fof missiles to hit instantly instead of waiting ages till the dread in siege mod has targetet something, + having good speed and range and more cpu resources for more bcus/def ? The base dps would go down to around the half though ...
So are there no ways to use a Caldari dread for those high-lvl missions ? And am i wrong or are the gallentes in big favour again with the drone abilities of the moros (compared to the lousy caldari bonus: 5% citadel rof and 5% kinetik dmg/lvl)?
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:52:00 -
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Lmao ccp didnt gave any details but ppl complain already...
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Pharos Dei
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:53:00 -
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dont cry for nerfs/buffs untill ccp even gave a gross layout of what they want, besides they already stated that those missions would most likelly have npc capitals in em...
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Yakia TovilToba
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Valandril
Lmao ccp didnt gave any details but ppl complain already...
I dont cry mister, i'm looking for ways to do those missions. And that imbalance in moros vs phoenix does not only apply in missions but might be important to everyday pvp too, when the dread likes to engage smaller targets.
Please give more constructive answers.
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Asestorian
Minmatar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:58:00 -
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Don't complain when CCP haven't given any details of how things are going to work. Remember also that dreads are balanced to work against POSes, not against NPCs. So if the Moros is the better dread for missions due to drones then so be it.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:01:00 -
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caidari navy? thats a funney corp name.
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest!
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Yakia TovilToba
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 28/02/2007 11:03:53
I think they gave us already enought infos:
Some of the hard lvl 4s will be elevated to lvl5.
Lvl 5s = harder lvl4s + new missions. So you can be sure they will not only contain capital ships but smaller targets aswell. Lvl 6+ will contain capital ships, but most likely smaller targets (bs, bc) aswell.
That's why i'm concerned about the lack of the phoenix fighting smaller targets aswell. But again i have not much clue of dreads and actually i'm hoping someon who knows can give some info on what fitting might work for smaller targets aswell. For example that thing with precise cruise missiles: is this a valid tactics or a no-do for the phoenix ?
Hope to read some info from some dread pilots.
/edit: why i discuss it now ? I'd like to know if a dread is an option for missions, or if i will be forced to train for carriers, so i can plan my next skilltraining better, hope you understand.
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Pharos Dei
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:09:00 -
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why are you persisting on that? thing is ccp said virtually nothing of the new missions, maybe a single capital wont be able to do it, maybe they reuire smalls hip support maybe maybe maybe maybe...
fact is noone knows, so please stop asking about theoritical imbalances that most likelly wont even occur...
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:31:00 -
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This guy is a farmer and sell ISK on eBay.
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Darknar
Gallente
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:33:00 -
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why doe we keep thinking that we need bigger and bigger ships. what if a lv 7 mision has an acceleration gate thats for cruisers only.
what i want to know is that is there going to be some high lv missions whitch you xcan possibly do with a group of freinds in frigates in cruisers.
battleships bore the hell out of me. but i dont want to be stuck doing lv 3s all my eve life.
Istabs FTW
I fight true gallente style. with blasters microwarp drives and drones all at the same time.
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Pharos Dei
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darknar
why doe we keep thinking that we need bigger and bigger ships. what if a lv 7 mision has an acceleration gate thats for cruisers only.
what i want to know is that is there going to be some high lv missions whitch you xcan possibly do with a group of freinds in frigates in cruisers.
battleships bore the hell out of me. but i dont want to be stuck doing lv 3s all my eve life.
I know exactly what you mean mate, however im hoping that those new missions will actually provide the need for all kinds of ships.. somehow forcing capitals into bringing small ships support, but i guess we will just hve to wait and see
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Zark Brassen
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:52:00 -
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As I remember it when level 4 missions came out, they where supposed to be run only by gangs. Since that have not succeded I guess CCP is introducing the new mission levels, so that there will be missions that you can NOT complete solo.
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Iudex
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil
This guy is a farmer and sell ISK on eBay.
Lol actually it's you and your corp who are known for doing this. Don't think anyone else who is trying to make some decent isk is doing that aswell.
@topic:
I think it's like Zark Brassen said, those missions are meant to be done in grops. And as with the update mission rewards can be split among a group, it will be much more fun to do them together with your friends, instead of misusing a dread for it - which, when created, was not meant to be a mission-solo-p0wnmobile anyways .
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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Bailian Moxtain
Toys R Us
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:45:00 -
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LOL iudex that sig u got - caldari 4th reich eh? 
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:55:00 -
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Sigh. how about you keep your comments and whinage to yourself untill they are out. A few things to take into consideration before making any other witty statements...
- dreads are not solo ships
- dreads are not solo ships
and last but not least,
dreads are not solo ships!
so anyone specdulation about soloing level 5 missions in them is wasting precious time and oxygen better used burning up fossil fuels to facilitate a quicker and easier demise of our planet
~ sok
Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety) |
xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
So are there no ways to use a Caldari dread for those high-lvl missions ? And am i wrong or are the gallentes in big favour again with the drone abilities of the moros (compared to the lousy caldari bonus: 5% citadel rof and 5% kinetik dmg/lvl)?
Gallente are simply better. The sooner you accept your races inferiority, the happier you will be.
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FooB2
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 18:01:00 -
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oh yeah, im known because i farm isk. infact, it was because of isk farmers that i've been an outlaw for about, what.. 2 years now? hmmm.
id be able to to tell you how much BS you're actually spouting, but when i tried the meter needle snapped, landed in the stream of BS that came from you and floated away.
Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K |
Xori Ruscuv
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.28 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/02/2007 18:21:29
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ok i know the missionrunner-capital in the new missions to come will be carriers. But in case someone does not like to train much in drones, is there a way to do them in a dread ?
I'm pretty sure it will be easy in a gallente dread, with the moros having a large dronebay and 50% drone dmg + resistance bonuse each lvl.
But what's with the caldari one ?
The Phoenix can only carry 5 heavy drones, so once one is lost he can't replace it in fight and they are weak anyways compared to that buffed moros drones.
So how about killing smaller targets, battelships or even battelcruiser with a dread ?
Entering siegemod the damage would decrease on anything faster than ~10 m/s (125m/s -92.5%) and with a smaller sig than 1000m. So slowing down each target with webi drones ? Would consume too much time i think.
But are there maybe other ways to use it ?
For example, 3 tech 2 cruise missile launcher with precise missiles ? If i calculated well they would deal full damage on anything slower then around 110m/s, or the launchers could be fit with fof missiles to hit instantly instead of waiting ages till the dread in siege mod has targetet something, + having good speed and range and more cpu resources for more bcus/def ? The base dps would go down to around the half though ...
So are there no ways to use a Caldari dread for those high-lvl missions ? And am i wrong or are the gallentes in big favour again with the drone abilities of the moros (compared to the lousy caldari bonus: 5% citadel rof and 5% kinetik dmg/lvl)?
Uh, are you dense? Or have you just not been paying any attention to your fellow mission *****s?
Drones have NEVER been optimal for missions. If history is any guide, they never will be. Why: DRONE AGGRO. People who run missions in Gallente ships have to turn down half the missions because they aren't doable with drones.
Originally by: Valandril
Lmao ccp didnt gave any details but ppl complain already...
And honestly, this guy hit the nail on the head. We don't have a fracking clue what level 5-7 missions are really going to be like. Look at how differently rigs/salvaging turned out to be than it was originally intended. Eh? WE DO NOT KNOW. Twice during *my* time in Eve, CCP has changed something literally days before release. They don't know what they are going to do any more than we do.
So at this point you're better off going about your business, training the skills you want, and *****ing about imbalances once they're actually an issue.
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Akat
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.28 18:37:00 -
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From what your saying it seems like you intend to run these missions solo?
I'm going to counter and take a wild guess that lvl 5+ missions are not in the slightest meant to be done solo. Even contemplating that idea is shear lunacy. One can logically expect that these missions will have everything from frigates to cap ships. So...
Find some friends to run missions with and picking the right dread won't be a problem.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akat
I'm going to counter and take a wild guess that lvl 5+ missions are not in the slightest meant to be done solo. Even contemplating that idea is shear lunacy.
So you say that CCP will create missions that cannot be done with 3 alts tripplelogged?
That means that 90% of the eve population would whine that said missions are impossible to do in a team of 5+ real humans...
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.02.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ok i know the missionrunner-capital in the new missions to come will be carriers. But in case someone does not like to train much in drones, is there a way to do them in a dread ?
Sure! It will be the new combat courrier missions.
Listen I need you and your dread to bring me some liquid ozone. all you have to do is destroy the 5 large posses in witch the ozone is stored in
Have fun
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:49:00 -
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Get a friend in a Huginn, problem solved.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:49:00 -
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Don't forget they said you will be able to split the rewards from missions automatically within your gang implying that some missions (maybee the 5's and 6's) arent meant to be done alone.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:58:00 -
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CCP has yet to decide if they will allow capships to even do the harder missions, so wait until they give confirmation. They're only thinking about it atm.
Personally, I hope they don't allow capships into missions, otherwise everyone's going to just solo the 'group missions'.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.01 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Akat
I'm going to counter and take a wild guess that lvl 5+ missions are not in the slightest meant to be done solo. Even contemplating that idea is shear lunacy.
So you say that CCP will create missions that cannot be done with 3 alts tripplelogged?
That means that 90% of the eve population would whine that said missions are impossible to do in a team of 5+ real humans...
Since when is using 3 accounts solo?
You are playing by yourself, but you are not doing the mission with a single ship. When I have an alt in a destroyer following me salvaging my wrecks, I'm not soloing those things. I have a ship with me, he's letting me get gang bonuses...etc.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.03.01 20:58:00 -
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You joined in December, why are you worrying? You can't even fly a Dread yet 
Not properly anyhow.
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Jaeuhl
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Posted - 2007.03.01 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jaeuhl on 01/03/2007 20:56:18
"latest EVE news,"
- Another corp, took heavy losses today running missions in deep space, the might of the Angel Cartel was more than the solo dreadnaught pilot could handle which goes to show you, "Teamwork kills" (tm).
ps. did your ceo know you took the keys to the dread out last night without asking again? Oooooooo.
I can't wait.
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