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MavricktheGreat
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: MavricktheGreat on 17/12/2003 15:18:02
Now my the Iteron 5 even less attractive. So you increase the cargo to 6000. BIG DEAL!! The mammoth has 5750 and got another mid slot. So the main difference now is only 250 cargo and an extra low slot. I waited 27 days to train indy 5 and for what. Balance the Indy ships already and or only require Indy lvl 4 for the Iteron 5. This is now a complete joke and I could have just went the mammoth route and saved 27 training days 
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:41:00 -
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I hope you are joking.
Because if I log in and find a mammoth has only 250m3 less than a MkV I will go nuts. I will go absolutely nuts. |
Johnson McCrae
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:53:00 -
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I think all the indy's were given 50% more cargo space.
Doesnt help the speed any, since we cant mount enough burners.
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
[ 2004.10.09 02:50:23 ] (combat) Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guardian Sentry, wrecking for 747.3 damage.
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vixit
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:59:00 -
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I don't know what type of It V you have but mine has a hold of 21104 and i like it.
CU in EvE
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MavricktheGreat
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:02:00 -
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Your missing my point! Sure, the your Iteron V my hold a lot but the mammoth might be able to hold 19k. So my point is it it worth an extra 27 days training Indy 5 for 2k more cargo. Hell No!!!!
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:05:00 -
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Dude.
Chill.
That extra low slot is HUGE. It is several thousand m3, not to mention all the other benefits of an iteron mk5.
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MavricktheGreat
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: MavricktheGreat on 17/12/2003 16:18:54
Let's just break it down a little shall we. Below are the main items I've noticed changed between the Mammoth and Iteron 5. So now the Iteron 5's advantage has decreased relative to other Indy's. Not fair considering it requires 27~35 day's extra to train.
Before Patch:
Mammoth Cargo = 3750 4 mid/4 low
Iteron 5 = 4000 5 mid/5 low
Cargo difference = 6.7%
Now:
Mammoth Cargo = 5750 5 mid/4 low
Iteron 5 = 6000 5 mid/5 low
Cargo difference = 4.3%
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BoZo2
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:23:00 -
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Hmm, Before the patch didnt the Mammoth have 5med slots and 3low slots ? 
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:37:00 -
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too many nerfs all in one patch |
Mesphos Calemdor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:55:00 -
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*giggles as he looks at his Iteron 5 with 24k cargo*
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Laughter
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:11:00 -
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and you judge the ships based on purely on cargo capacity? Not speed, manouverability, armor, shields or anything else?
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MavricktheGreat
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:31:00 -
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Yes, I do look at other things as well. But the fact remains that the Iteron 5 lost ground in relation to the other indy's. The benefit of owning an Iteron 5 compared to the other Indy's is now less. And again, the other Indy's do not require lvl 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on an extra 5 cap (80 for mammoth/ 85 for Iteron 5)? Big fricken deal. At least come out with better Indy ships that require Industrial level 5. Or maybe new skills etc?
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:41:00 -
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I agree.
I welcome the increase in cargo capacity and the balancing is fair, if the iteron was only lvl 4.
They should bring out super haulers (twice as large), lvl 5 training is a big!!!!! commitment.
It would force people to specialise.
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Namarus
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:20:00 -
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You forgot to take into account the cargo boost from skill levels.
Nothing to see here .... move along. |
JackDonkey
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:43:00 -
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boo ya aaaargggh , pass the gin
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William Jameson
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:02:00 -
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i am very annoyed about the mk5 changes, too. i spend 27 days of training to have a good trade ship, i spend another 20 days to make it fast so the 15+ jumps trade routes are worth the time (and i can at least make 80% of the money i make from mining in the same time). i spend a lot of money on cargo expanders and semipro ab's and now even the mk3 has same stats than my ship had before the patch. by making warp stab's lo-slot i lose another expander slot, and with the 100+ powercore i can't fit more than 2 of the new 10's afierburners- resulting in a 160 top speed (it was over 450+ before). not to mention all those cold gas/monoprob ab's are the same as the 8k basic ab - another 1-2 mio into the trashcan.
okay, i could have more than 25k cargo cap now - but what for? checked the trade market? demand for all goods is set back to very low demands, just before the patch i bought some 70k antibiotics, 100k+ tobacco 15k+ electronics and other stuff - it will take me several weeks to sell them again. so basically i lost 6+ weeks of playtime already - and by checking the mineral demands i have no idea how i should sell my 8mio trit
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Elentari
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:08:00 -
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Hahaha, Will, you should have waited, since they SAID that NPC seeding was being changed. Your fault. ^.^
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William Jameson
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:18:00 -
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haha there was no info on that in ingame news, in fact ALL ingame news are a bad joke, even until now you dont get detailed infos on the changes of castor
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Mned Graydroggen
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:34:00 -
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okay, i could have more than 25k cargo cap now - but what for? checked the trade market? demand for all goods is set back to very low demands, just before the patch i bought some 70k antibiotics, 100k+ tobacco 15k+ electronics and other stuff - it will take me several weeks to sell them again. so basically i lost 6+ weeks of playtime already - and by checking the mineral demands i have no idea how i should sell my 8mio trit
It was common knowledge afaik that market seeding would be changed from 1 after dt to constant during live-time.
You'll just have to work harder. This one is a fair change imo since before Castor a player with sufficient funds could clean up the supplie in an instant for the restr of the day
my 2 isk
Havent checked my indis yet btw, raced off to my agent only to find that he's bugged >:)
ach ja. ALL HAIL THE DEVS for the great revolutions that they dared to ignite 
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:09:00 -
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mammoth was always 2:5:3 slots (Hi:mid:low .. now its 2:5:4 (+1 low) no extra mids .. it also went from fastest/second fastest (110+5%/level) to about second slowest (110 - the 5% means nothing since everyone has it now)
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Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:53:00 -
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I fly an MK V too.
Setup before patch:
1 small Shield booster (rare)
3 Warp Core Stabilizers
1 MWD
3 Reacor Controls (+10% PG)
2 25% Expanders
Gives me 900 m/s and about 8000 cargo with two giants cons..
After patch:
1 small shield booster
1 MWD 10 MN
4 (!) Reactor Controls
1 (!) Expander
NO Warp Core Stabilizer.
3 Giant cons in cargo
Ok.. I have more 50% cargo....But the other Indys have too, and not a single warp core stabilizer! (and these saved my butt several times)
Compared to the other Indys the MK V lost IMHO a lot of attraction 
The only thing to solve that would be a medium slot module to boost PG...or a low slot one with high CPU demand and more than 10% PG increase....
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Venture
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Posted - 2003.12.17 21:17:00 -
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It's a done deal, get over it. Do you think you was the only one to get all their training time F*CKED up by this patch? Just be glad that you are one of the few that can fly an Itereon Mk V.
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Beta Vixen
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:15:00 -
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your bigger indy is coming -- it's called a Titan. cargo rumored to be 500,000 m3. Big enough for ya?
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Ya, I have unsold goods as well -- about 19k Robo. That's somewhere near 120M isk at cost. And the assured market I used to have in low sec space is no longer assured and no longer safe to get to.
Get over it.
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I'm free! I'm free!!
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Antonia
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:11:00 -
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I think everybody here has valid points. The masses agree that Castor has totally fubared the old way of living we all knew. We all have to re-examine our skill trees and adept to the "New Life". In some aspect it has equalled the playing field a bit, now a lot of us old timers are newbs again with a lot to learn. But yes CCP did a good job of hiding what they were "taking" from us.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:25:00 -
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Quote:
But yes CCP did a good job of hiding what they were "taking" from us.
That would be them hiding it on the chaos server that everybody has access to?
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The End
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:27:00 -
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Quote:
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But yes CCP did a good job of hiding what they were "taking" from us.
That would be them hiding it on the chaos server that everybody has access to?
if i wanted to access it right now it would say
full cluster
k thx bye
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Brom
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:30:00 -
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Titans have 100,000 m3, according to the old screenshots anyways.
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Brom
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Posted - 2003.12.18 02:35:00 -
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You can fit a 10 meganewton MWD on a mark 5 without giving up but one low slot. As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty friggin huge. Mammoth would have to give up two.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2003.12.18 03:54:00 -
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Only here would people whine that an increase of 2000m3 and a huge improvement skill bonus on a ship is a nerf.
Is the Mk V better than it was? Yes.
Is the Mk V still the best indy? Yes.
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:11:00 -
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Brom....could you tell me how to fit an 10 MN mwd with one PG upgrade???
MK V has 85 MW base PG
With engeneering V and 1 10% PG upgrade in a lot slot I get 35% addidtional PG, which is then 114,75 PG....that 10 MN MWD alone takes 150!!!
So did you stumble over some 30% PG low slot module? 
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