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Sisco Deivas
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.01 09:33:00 -
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Cowards live to "fight" another day.... ;) |
Maximillian Power
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Posted - 2007.03.01 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 01/03/2007 07:31:18
To the OP:
You are not at all a criminal, a criminal is one of many asset that make eve a richer place. You on the other hand are just a parasite exploiting a bad game mechanic to cover up your failures and steal others success. There is nothing cute, funny or acceptable about that behavior. We would all be better off if you and those like you quit eve.
This community has really turned to ****, pathetic...
pretty much covers it tbh
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.01 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked Let me rephrase myself,
If you lose your assets while having the option of not losing it but still choose to lose it.. then your a COMPLETE RETARD.
Did you know you can avoid losing in monopoly by tipping the board over? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you did actually.
Originally by: Qolde griefers
You FAIL To all people who call people griefers, you're invalidating your entire post by showing that you are a self-centered player who really wants WoW-in-space.
As for the question everyone seems to be answering in the thread, no, I do not cheat at Eve. kthxbye --------------------
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.01 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce.
My clone was in Empire, so the fleet would've essentially been down a battleship due to a really, really silly pilot error.
But that's not the point. I logged, and due to current morality that means my name is dirt.
Exactly. It's not the point. Your logging didn't give your fleet the additional Apoc, unless you want to bring up more points like your fleet luring away the enemy fleet so you could get back through the gate and into your Apoc.
Also, die like a man. Or would you have logged that Impoc if it'd saved it?
Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in |
Flyer11
Gallente Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2007.03.01 12:02:00 -
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If i had 1mill isk for everytime a target/war target logged of i'd prob have multiple billions now. for example - i had some sec to burn and found a brutix npcing i decloak, i agro'd him before he logged but he dissapeared after 30seconds . he vanished with about 10% structure left.
It's the one tactic i hate, worst part is it's legit use of the game mechanics.
Worst part was you logged out due to your own mistake of jumping, you owe ISS a killmail and loot.
On the + side i remember the day waking up to find a ISS obelisk on our killboard that logged off, i'm not sure if people are just really stupid when they think "i'll log off that will save my freighter" or do they really believe they have a chance of getting awaywhen they've been agro'd before they log -Flyer- TBSV Director |
Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.01 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
My clone was in Empire, so the fleet would've essentially been down a battleship due to a really, really silly pilot error.
But that's not the point. I logged, and due to current morality that means my name is dirt.
So you are a game breaker to most people. If you had been podded your enemies would have one less enemy to be concerned about. But no, you used the lamest tactics ever invented in online gaming to save a frigate.
You disgust me. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce.
My clone was in Empire, so the fleet would've essentially been down a battleship due to a really, really silly pilot error.
But that's not the point. I logged, and due to current morality that means my name is dirt.
Exactly. It's not the point. Your logging didn't give your fleet the additional Apoc, unless you want to bring up more points like your fleet luring away the enemy fleet so you could get back through the gate and into your Apoc.
Also, die like a man. Or would you have logged that Impoc if it'd saved it?
This thread lived up to my expectations right there. ----
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.03.01 12:57:00 -
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You should be banned from the game as an example to all loggerofferers! --
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Lord Bleu
The Xizor Cartel Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:07:00 -
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I did it the other night after I was attacked by a war dec'd corp that was not showing as wardec to me due to the time bug that means you dont see a newly dec'd corp show as dec unless you log off.
Made no difference, the probed my pod's location and popped me. Bye Bye implants thanks to an in game bug. Pettition? ROFLMAO.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:08:00 -
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CCP should just change the game mechanic. Then this arguing would stop. Logging to cheat around a death/ship loss this way can't be intended, time to close that hole. Some people will cry, well bleh, EVE is sometimes cruel. Part of the game. ___________ Muuuhhh !!! |
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Lux Simian
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 01/03/2007 00:29:17
Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce.
But from a more categorical standpoint, if I were to jump through a stargate in a 0.4 system and see Bastage Inc. there with six battleships versus my Badger full of stuff, I'd seriously consider the logoffski. Sure, it's a cheap tactic, but you've got to fight fire with fire.
Well, there's more to the story really. I was in an Enyo and was intending to warp to the station in the system when I jumped instead, in order to get into an apoc that would be better for the impending siege. My clone was in Empire, so the fleet would've essentially been down a battleship due to a really, really silly pilot error.
But that's not the point. I logged, and due to current morality that means my name is dirt.
Yes, but at least you get some self respect back from being honest and admitting it.
Those who defend the Ctrl+Q tactic should consider moving into High Sec space and working for NPC corporations (to avoid Wardecs). That way you'll be almost certain that it might be griefers when you Log off.
See there is a place you can play where you're almost totally safe from 'griefers', well not the real griefers as they are actually in 1.0 space....
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Terazuk
Amarr FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Terazuk on 01/03/2007 13:12:51
Originally by: Gaius Aurelias I'd rather keep my ISK than keep the "respect" (yeah, right) of a gate camper/griefer.
That said, I can't seem to do the logoffski trick properly, so I don't bother trying.
Yeah, seem to have that problem myself although using a hammer often helps.
-Edit: I'm tellin' :p -~- "*BANG* you're dead!" "No I'm not 'cos I'm Superman :p" -~- |
DanMck
Amarr Rionnag Alba Veni Vidi Vici .
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:18:00 -
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i am happy i seen this post as it means the devs will have to change the game as people now see this as a valid tatic to use.
why bother nerfing stabs and possible istabs if you can always get your pod out ?
ctrl + q is for cheats , take it like a man and die.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Drasked Let me rephrase myself,
If you lose your assets while having the option of not losing it but still choose to lose it.. then your a COMPLETE RETARD.
Did you know you can avoid losing in monopoly by tipping the board over? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you did actually.
Sorry, i tought we where talking about eve? but tipping over the board in monopoly i would compare with hacking the eve server and deleting everything.
Logging out to save assets is simply a game mechanic implented by ccp, they have confirmed that its not against the rules to use this mechanic to save assets even tho there is nothing wrong with your connection.
Its the same as stabs and as nano setups etc etc.. people say "dont use it because it morally wrong" but on the other hand its there, your allowed to use it.. not doing so would be kind of retarded dont you say?
As soon as CCP says it not legal to use log tactics to save assets i will be the first on the forums to shout when people abuse this, BUT as long as CCP says its legal to use this tactic, i will use it and will shout at anyone who claims it to be morally wrong.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Terazuk Edited by: Terazuk on 01/03/2007 13:12:51
Originally by: Gaius Aurelias I'd rather keep my ISK than keep the "respect" (yeah, right) of a gate camper/griefer.
That said, I can't seem to do the logoffski trick properly, so I don't bother trying.
Yeah, seem to have that problem myself although using a hammer often helps.
-Edit: I'm tellin' :p
Logoff guide
I would also like to add that i hate it when people log off.. but since ccp said its a valid tactic, im gonna use it.
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Mesacc
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.01 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Qolde
A great fix would be that instead of popping up in this tiny little 15 km radius when you jump, you spawn with a 250km radius. This would be awesome for two reasons, more people would travel to low sec since they would feel safer giving griefers more targets in belts and outside of stations. Secondly the chances of being gategriefed by any one individual would be lower, yet there would be more kills due to the higher population.
Thats prolly the best suggestion ive heard yet.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Riggers Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:02:00 -
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I don't like you, but thats because you are en ex GH-SC member
That said, if there were any way of escaping the gate camp, you should have tried it. Perhaps MWD to the gate again (with the lag, you could probably have made it). But there usually aren't a fair chance in hell a ship can evade a camp with the tools at hand (unless just a small camp of less then 5 people). There should allways be an out, be it hard to accomplish.
Are you a dirty rotten coward criminal? Nah
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Smagd
Also, die like a man. Or would you have logged that Impoc if it'd saved it?
Originally by: Raem Civrie
This thread lived up to my expectations right there.
Well sorry, mate: I was saying that under the expectation that no, you wouldn't.
I guess I'm outta here.
Just don't Ctrl-Q. Like they say, don't bring anything into combat you're not prepared to lose.
Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in |
ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked Let me rephrase myself,
If you lose your assets while having the option of not losing it but still choose to lose it.. then your a COMPLETE RETARD.
This is why you were kicked from most decent corps
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:40:00 -
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I do not think your virginity was under any threat, or will come under danger for a very very long time.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Drasked Let me rephrase myself,
If you lose your assets while having the option of not losing it but still choose to lose it.. then your a COMPLETE RETARD.
This is why you were kicked from most decent corps
Too bad i have never been kicked form any corp in this game for reasons other then being inactive.
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.03.01 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 01/03/2007 14:45:04
Originally by: Drasked Sorry, i tought we where talking about eve? but tipping over the board in monopoly i would compare with hacking the eve server and deleting everything.
Logging out to save assets is simply a game mechanic implented by ccp, they have confirmed that its not against the rules to use this mechanic to save assets even tho there is nothing wrong with your connection.
Its the same as stabs and as nano setups etc etc.. people say "dont use it because it morally wrong" but on the other hand its there, your allowed to use it.. not doing so would be kind of retarded dont you say?
As soon as CCP says it not legal to use log tactics to save assets i will be the first on the forums to shout when people abuse this, BUT as long as CCP says its legal to use this tactic, i will use it and will shout at anyone who claims it to be morally wrong.
I have a feeling that you're one of those guys who says "logging is so lame, but the only way to get rid of it is to overuse it", but just in case you're not, I'll flame you all the same. Look at it as pre-emptive flaming.
Calling logging off to save one's ship a game mechanic is what is truly retarded. It's not a game mechanic, any more than pulling the chord when your pal beats you in Tekken 2 is a game mechanic. Sure, it's there, and it might save you from humiliating defeat, but you're a cheater non the less.
I would put to you, why do you play a game (a game being something that can be won or lost) if you are not prepared to loose? It sort of beats the whole purpose of playing at all. Not only do you subtract from your own experience of playing the game, but you also **** all over the other people playing. They pay for this game just like you do. Why do you have the right to ruin their game?
And, they are not trying to ruin your game by attacking you. They are playing the game, following the rules. When you get ganked at a gate, it's YOUR fault. It's always YOUR fault, and nobody elses. YOU could have taken proper precautions before jumping into that camp. If you didn't, you should die. It's only fair, and it's the game.
Now stop promoting cheating, and either play the game or quit. I hear there are tons of cheat codes for The Sims, and you could always get an aim-bot and go own in CS.
/Ki
Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Nir
The Doldrums
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:01:00 -
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I don't like logging, but I'm not about to start keeping a list of all players in EVE neatly placed in two columns - loggers and not loggers - to glance at every time I enter a PVP fight. Screw that.
I think of PVP in EVE as Texas Hold'em, any 2 cards can win and I will to the best of my ability try to win against most odds, until the jig is up and either of us dies in a pretty explosion.
But there are odds that no person can beat, and when you're going up against the blob like Raem describes in his post its best to muck those cards to the center of the table. Ctrl-Q is the folding of EVE.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 01/03/2007 14:45:04
Originally by: Drasked Sorry, i tought we where talking about eve? but tipping over the board in monopoly i would compare with hacking the eve server and deleting everything.
Logging out to save assets is simply a game mechanic implented by ccp, they have confirmed that its not against the rules to use this mechanic to save assets even tho there is nothing wrong with your connection.
Its the same as stabs and as nano setups etc etc.. people say "dont use it because it morally wrong" but on the other hand its there, your allowed to use it.. not doing so would be kind of retarded dont you say?
As soon as CCP says it not legal to use log tactics to save assets i will be the first on the forums to shout when people abuse this, BUT as long as CCP says its legal to use this tactic, i will use it and will shout at anyone who claims it to be morally wrong.
I have a feeling that you're one of those guys who says "logging is so lame, but the only way to get rid of it is to overuse it", but just in case you're not, I'll flame you all the same. Look at it as pre-emptive flaming.
Calling logging off to save one's ship a game mechanic is what is truly retarded. It's not a game mechanic, any more than pulling the chord when your pal beats you in Tekken 2 is a game mechanic. Sure, it's there, and it might save you from humiliating defeat, but you're a cheater non the less.
I would put to you, why do you play a game (a game being something that can be won or lost) if you are not prepared to loose? It sort of beats the whole purpose of playing at all. Not only do you subtract from your own experience of playing the game, but you also **** all over the other people playing. They pay for this game just like you do. Why do you have the right to ruin their game?
And, they are not trying to ruin your game by attacking you. They are playing the game, following the rules. When you get ganked at a gate, it's YOUR fault. It's always YOUR fault, and nobody elses. YOU could have taken proper precautions before jumping into that camp. If you didn't, you should die. It's only fair, and it's the game.
Now stop promoting cheating, and either play the game or quit. I hear there are tons of cheat codes for The Sims, and you could always get an aim-bot and go own in CS.
/Ki
I dont feel that the overusage of logging off will fix the problem, i do feel that if we are allowed by CCP to use this tactic that it automaticly makes this a valid tactic.
Again, logging off to save assets is NOT cheating since the people that make the rules in this game say that its valid.
ie. Your ships is under fire but you choose not to warp out even tho your alighned and not scrambled, is this being a man or just being plain stupid?
I see logging off in the same way as warping my ship out of combat, since both methods of saving yourself are allowed by CCP.
This discussion is the exact same as the stab discussion a few months ago, sure they eventually nerfed stabs as i trust they will do to log tactics.. but as long as this is availible and legit, i will use it when i need to.
Same as nano ships, i think a nano BS is overpowered but for the moment we are allowed to use it, its fun, its good, why not use it?
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:44:00 -
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Nowadays I think we should (and are in process of) get rid of idea that honorable PvPer should not use logoff tactic. Having that concept just puts the said honorable pilots in far worse tactical position than their opposition, without making game experience much better.
Hence I think the only fair way is to accept ctrl-q as valid tactic, and plead CCP to fix the situation so that the tactic becomes useless.
Neverthless, our corp frowns upon such tactic, so I won't be logging off (nor have in past) to save my ship.
-Lasse
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Gekha
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:44:00 -
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to mind come those isk farmers in 0.0 their only brave act is to bring up a raven with a scout to a suitable system, little far off the main routes. the very moment you enter the system, they log off. sometimes too fast for you to notice they were even there. time to time they log in an unsuspecting alt to see if the system is clear, then log in their main and continue their business. there is no way of catching someone like that even with maxed cov ops skills. whats the option? camp out the system 24/7 vs. a logoffski that casually checks every 30-60 minutes if he can come back again? that sucks.
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Fork Boy
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Posted - 2007.03.01 15:44:00 -
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It's pretty sad to do this.
It means that CCP will eventually fix it, which has a knock on effect that genuine crashers and network failures will die.
You've lost your reputation I guess. And that is deserved.
People doing this as a matter of course should be banned. It's using out of game mechanics to get an advantage within the game, as sure as buying ISK is cheating.
Personally I'd ban you for using the phrase "invaded their turfz", but others may see that as a little heavy handed!
================================= A fork is a cold, shiny tool To pierce, tear and ingest. Whoever has the fork in hand Controls the meal of their choice. |
Fabrica
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Fabrica on 01/03/2007 15:59:41
Originally by: Riho logging to avoid combat is lame and i consider it a cheat
In real life, if someone attacks me unproked i run, in eve i log off because i shouldnt be forced into combat if i dont want to.
I consider gate campers to be real life muggers, they hide behind a gate and jump on you when you come through.
I shouldnt have to be put in a situation i dont want to be in.
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MrMann
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:02:00 -
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Dear OP and Community:
We at Bastage, Inc., in our continuing endeavor to provide quality Plundering Services at the price of any self-respect we may have had, would like to state the following:
We generally disagree with logging off in such a situation.
We also, in all honesty <cough> YES REALLY!!! SHADDUP!! think itÆs often the wrong move. We can report that a good 95% of people who log off on us lose their ship. Another 50% also have their pod blasted as well. (Yes we have a dedicated Covert Ops pilot for just this task, and yes the instant pod log off doesnÆt always happen ôinstantlyö.)
In many cases the smarter move would be to convo one of the pirates before you decloak and offer a cash payment. Yes, I know this will not always work out, but sometimes it may.
If that doesnÆt work, try to save your ship using any of the valid methods suggested in many other thread. After you try that and your ship is about to explode <snicker>, be ready to warp out your pod immediately, i.e. when in structure click on a planet or something and start spamming the warp button.
Thus your pod warps away with you still logged on and able to warp it around until you can dock safely or log off after your aggression ends. Yes, you lost your ship but as pointed out above you would have any ways.
The above does not apply to 0.0 Bubble Camp situations. ThatÆs a different ball game and in our Bastagely opinion something CCP needs to address.
We donÆt get worked up about logging off however. We like the challenge of killing the ship and the pod before it disappears.
So in short, when confronted with your Friendly Neighborhood local pirate, offer cash. Remember they probably just want some cash and some <sniff> love. Being a pirate is so lonely. Be kind, drop of an exotic dancer or two.
Cordially,
Public Affairs, Taxation & Bikini Waxing Department Bastage, Inc. _______________________________________________
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Sangxianc
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:18:00 -
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Well, Mr Civrie, all I can bring to this discussion is that you know Samuel L Jackson plays this game right and he probably read this post.
Don't expect his help when you get snakes in your spaceship.
(But seriously I don't care, it is not an uncommon occurance and you only did it once and didn't come up with some fabulous and elaborate excuse like a snake biting your internet cable or something.)
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