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Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:03:00 - [1] I am a serious cat. This is a serious thread. Albeit brief. The topic is truth. I have logged to save my ship. Last during the IAC/ISS war when we invaded their turfz and while waiting at a gate, I for some reason jumped instead of warping to a station. Poof, appear on the other side next to five million ISS, so I logged. How much of a heinous criminal and altogether coward am I? Discuss! ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:29:00 - [2] In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce. But from a more categorical standpoint, if I were to jump through a stargate in a 0.4 system and see Bastage Inc. there with six battleships versus my Badger full of stuff, I'd seriously consider the logoffski. Sure, it's a cheap tactic, but you've got to fight fire with fire.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 01/03/2007 00:29:17 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce. But from a more categorical standpoint, if I were to jump through a stargate in a 0.4 system and see Bastage Inc. there with six battleships versus my Badger full of stuff, I'd seriously consider the logoffski. Sure, it's a cheap tactic, but you've got to fight fire with fire. Well, there's more to the story really. I was in an Enyo and was intending to warp to the station in the system when I jumped instead, in order to get into an apoc that would be better for the impending siege. My clone was in Empire, so the fleet would've essentially been down a battleship due to a really, really silly pilot error. But that's not the point. I logged, and due to current morality that means my name is dirt. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:35:00 - [4] I think you're a w4nker like anyone else who does it. I'd think the same about corpmates who did it also if they did and would probably even move corp or get them thrown out if it was proved and they said they'd do it again!
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:39:00 - [5] ctrl-Q is a bane of eve. I dont blame you for trying as the alternative is death. However its really cheating and I would prefer CCP change the timers, emergency warps etc as no one can rely on 'honour' in this game.
Dmian Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:47:00 - [6] Internet connections are getting more and more reliable... Is there any kind of statistic about accidental/unwanted disconnections? I mean: if you have a lousy connection, try not to get into low sec a lot. If you're into PvP, get a decent connection. And assume losses. The log-off it's not needed anymore, I think... (But I don't condemn people who use it, since I'm just a carebear)
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:48:00 - [7] You owe ISS 2 killmails. I suggest you pay your debt.
Kaalen Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Kaalen on 01/03/2007 01:13:31 I have no problem with you for doing it. What I do have a problem with is pirates who smack in local, hurling insults left and right about how much of a wuss I am for escaping from a fight in which I am losing (using in game means, NOT ctrl+Q), and then logging off when I catch him off guard 5 minutes later and break his tank. From the way you talk about it, you don't rely on Ctrl+Q to survive everything. So I don't really care, I frown on it, and if that were me I would have taken my beatings, but I'm not going to lecture you about it. Just don't turn into a repeat offender, there's other ways to disengage and sometimes losing a ship is the lesson that you need to ensure that you don't mess up again in future.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:20:00 - [9] It's getting to the point I think everybody should do it every time things look dodgy. This will force a change
Crna Udovica Amarr Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce. But from a more categorical standpoint, if I were to jump through a stargate in a 0.4 system and see Bastage Inc. there with six battleships versus my Badger full of stuff, I'd seriously consider the logoffski. Sure, it's a cheap tactic, but you've got to fight fire with fire. Im pretty sure that we can kill a badger weather you log or not. http://www.battleclinic.com/kill_sigs/signature_display.php?string=Crna%20Udovica
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:27:00 - [11] What do I care what you or anyone thinks about how I play? Why should the guy two posts above me care? Why should the future guy 3 posts below me give a damn? Why should I care about either of those muppets that are free to voice whatever they want? This is my game... I pay... I play. If I log to avoid death, so be it... you're an adult, get over it and move on. This topic has been beat to death like a nerd who beats his own manhood. To the ops question... criminal or coward? You're neither... consider yourself your own. People can call you whatever they want, but next time I'm sure you will still log off and do what you do. Its neither fair or unfair... its the game. I'll do whta I want, when I want, how I want... stop whining about how others play.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:31:00 - [12] Edited by: Akita T on 01/03/2007 01:30:26 Reverse psychology approach. Instead of condemning logoffers for "dishonourable tactics", praise them for "skilled use of in-game mechanic to avoid a loss". Instead of whining about people logging off on you, start whining that shuttles and industrials and whatnot FAILED to logoff at your gatecamp, forcing you to score a shameful "noob-killing" EVE-mail. Instead of repeating that CTRL-Q is bad, keep saying CTRL-Q is the best thing that ever hapened, and you would seriously hurt CCP if they ever touched that. When the vast masses of EVE players would use it with every single occasion they get where it might just help them, maybe, just maybe, some CCP employees that are PvPers too will start to get frustrated enough about it themselves... because, you know, for some strange reason, they might have even not experienced it before first-hand ? There you go, help the devs get a hang of their own game's inner workings, PROMOTE LOGOFFSKY ! The more you use it, the more likely it is it will get changed. You're only contributing to the perpetuation of the "alleged" problem if you chose NOT to apply "this perfectly legal and intended game mechanic". ___ P.S. I shamefully admit, I am at fault too, I have never logged off to save my ship until now. But, by Jove, from now on, I vow to visit lowsec/0.0 more often and logoff every chance I get when I might have been killed ! _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.01 02:42:00 - [13] All the talk about it isn't making it better either, a few months ago many pilots wouldn't even be aware that logging can save your hairy behind... Nowadays people are using logoffski as if it were a valid game mechanic. CCP really really need to do something about this, don't you think? Anyways: Yes, you are now officially scum, Raem. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
The Socialworker Minmatar The Socialworkers	Posted - 2007.03.01 03:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Frost What do I care what you or anyone thinks about how I play? Why should the guy two posts above me care? Why should the future guy 3 posts below me give a damn? Why should I care about either of those muppets that are free to voice whatever they want? This is my game... I pay... I play. If I log to avoid death, so be it... you're an adult, get over it and move on. This topic has been beat to death like a nerd who beats his own manhood. To the ops question... criminal or coward? You're neither... consider yourself your own. People can call you whatever they want, but next time I'm sure you will still log off and do what you do. Its neither fair or unfair... its the game. I'll do whta I want, when I want, how I want... stop whining about how others play. The point is though it's not 'the game'. It's the spoilt kid knocking the monopoly board over or stomping off with the ball because they're loosing.
ceo person	Posted - 2007.03.01 03:18:00 - [15] i haven't logged to save myself yet (my pods are worth a total of my clone since i almost never use implants ;p) but i do wonder whot i would do if i jumped my freigther into a camp...
MrMann Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.01 03:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Crna Udovica Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader In that instance, I'd say you should have stayed and died, since it was a military op and you were there to fight, no doubt ready to lose your ship to bad luck or a canny adversary. Logging to save yourself from pilot error is pretty weak sauce. But from a more categorical standpoint, if I were to jump through a stargate in a 0.4 system and see Bastage Inc. there with six battleships versus my Badger full of stuff, I'd seriously consider the logoffski. Sure, it's a cheap tactic, but you've got to fight fire with fire. Im pretty sure that we can kill a badger weather you log or not. Well . . . I guess it depends on the average Blood/Alcohol ratio of our gang at the time. <mumble> drunken idiots <mumble> _______________________________________________ Proud Member of the Greater Tribute Security Service.
Raquel Smith Caldari Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.01 04:46:00 - [17] Nothing wrong with ctrl+q. Move along, nothing to see here.
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:23:00 - [18] i never had/have issues with ctrl-q i got it on alt-q because i was annoyed to quit eve when i wanted to select all :-P BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Lord Frost What do I care what you or anyone thinks about how I play? Why should the guy two posts above me care? Why should the future guy 3 posts below me give a damn? Why should I care about either of those muppets that are free to voice whatever they want? This is my game... I pay... I play. If I log to avoid death, so be it... you're an adult, get over it and move on. This topic has been beat to death like a nerd who beats his own manhood. To the ops question... criminal or coward? You're neither... consider yourself your own. People can call you whatever they want, but next time I'm sure you will still log off and do what you do. Its neither fair or unfair... its the game. I'll do whta I want, when I want, how I want... stop whining about how others play. maybe next time u do that u should go to the subs page and cancel your sub allso.. so your stuff doesn't get blown up anymore ?? logging to avoid combat is lame and i consider it a cheat Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- <------ Hijack free space :) -----------------
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:16:00 - [20] Nothing wrong with that, smart move i would say.. why lose your pod if there is a perfectly good game mechanic in place to save it.. not logging off in a situation like that is kind of noob, it would be like not warping out when your hitting structure.
Bugszor Caldari The Redeeming Age	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:23:00 - [21] what CCP should do is this.. change the keys from CTRL+Q to something like backspace+P. no one wil ever guess that and then its all done until a nub slams his keyboard out of frustration loosing a freighter in a gatecamp, (own fault use scouts ffs), and finds out that its still doable. wich wil prolly be some time :) i think this would be funny ----------------------------------- Originally by: Nex Angelus Perhaps it was a Bugszor
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:31:00 - [22] Edited by: Gift on 01/03/2007 07:31:18 To the OP: You are not at all a criminal, a criminal is one of many asset that make eve a richer place. You on the other hand are just a parasite exploiting a bad game mechanic to cover up your failures and steal others success. There is nothing cute, funny or acceptable about that behavior. We would all be better off if you and those like you quit eve. This community has really turned to ****, pathetic... Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Lucio Gallente UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:33:00 - [23] I believe my views are summed up perfectly in this little exchange. I was moving my alt character's implant clone out and scouting via a covert op's ship when I ran into a mini-gang of hostiles. [ 2007.02.24 08:34:25 ] Cloudie > LOL [ 2007.02.24 08:34:51 ] Cloudie > and you speacing on forum about logoffski [ 2007.02.24 08:35:03 ] Lucio > me personally? I think not! ************************************************ Wohoo! No more negative sec status. It's a shame it took me TWO YEARS of Carebearing to get rid of a lousy -1.2
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:38:00 - [24] Let me rephrase myself, If you lose your assets while having the option of not losing it but still choose to lose it.. then your a COMPLETE RETARD.
Qolde Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 01/03/2007 07:31:18 To the OP: You are not at all a criminal, a criminal is one of many asset that make eve a richer place. You on the other hand are just a parasite exploiting a bad game mechanic to cover up your failures and steal others success. There is nothing cute, funny or acceptable about that behavior. We would all be better off if you and those like you quit eve. This community has really turned to ****, pathetic... A lot of people would say the exact same thing about gate griefers. A great fix would be that instead of popping up in this tiny little 15 km radius when you jump, you spawn with a 250km radius. This would be awesome for two reasons, more people would travel to low sec since they would feel safer giving griefers more targets in belts and outside of stations. Secondly the chances of being gategriefed by any one individual would be lower, yet there would be more kills due to the higher population.
relina1	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:42:00 - [26] i think he did what was right
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.03.01 07:44:00 - [27] I think poorly of _anyone_ who logs as a 'combat tactic'. That includes people in my alliance/corp. Then again, you're hardly alone in doing it, so meh.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:07:00 - [28] It's happened to me a few times, and it is a bit annoying (usually because I want something to shoot at ) However we did get an inty pilot who logged, warped back at 100k, saw our camp (+ Bubble) warped to the far gate, then straight back into the bubble . Anyway, I don't use it personally, because I forget it's even there. I'm too busy trying to work out the best course of action(in game), and when it all goes horribly wrong (which is usually) I see how many I can take with me (which so far is a Caracal, when I should have been shooting the flycatcher, then the BS, then cruisers. Hitting Ctrl-Q never even enters my mind, untill after I've been ganked, and lost / saved my pod. Akkarin <3 - Immy
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Crna Udovica Im pretty sure that we can kill a badger weather you log or not. I was with a small group at a gate once - in jumped 2 haulers all by themself... We had the gate bubbled by a dictor and they logged... Due to the jump-cloak and server-delay none was able to lock them at all. That stuff is really ruining the game - I can sure understand the other players/player wanted to save 2 industrials as they would have no chance at all, but then wtf are they doing in 0.0 unescorted?
Gaius Aurelias	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:22:00 - [30] I'd rather keep my ISK than keep the "respect" (yeah, right) of a gate camper/griefer. That said, I can't seem to do the logoffski trick properly, so I don't bother trying.

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