Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?

30M is already a good number for ratting solo in nullsec without carrier.

I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.

... I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour....

Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?

well it depends on many factors, as all in eve.
for example:

- i do 20 mil/h in a covertor in high sec with orca boost
- i know people that doing high sec incursion "with a good fleet" make 150/200 mil/hour even more sometime
- lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour

so i'm sure that mining in null, same ships would give you >30mil/hour.

that said, i dunno ratting in null yet... but probably your friend involved the mtu harvest in his output?


and you can always ask your friend for suggestions

100 mill/h with lvl4 missions? How???

No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.

Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.

Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?

Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.

It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics.

By training security connections and negotiation to 5, at that point you should get between 3000 and 7000 LP for every mission (varies based on other factors too), then you blitz the missions with the appropriate ship.
Lots of warp gates? Use a Nightmare (ab bonus).
Nothing to kill? Stiletto
Mining/cargo mission? Buy loot off market for instant complete.

This way you can be getting ~20000 LP/hour easily, which is worth a minimum of 24 million isk when cashed out (depending on corp, assuming you don't cash out on some crap nobody wants).

Now be a little smart about it and find a station with 2 level 4's, pull 2 missions at a time, double the blitzing. But for every character you add now, you get 2 more simultaneous missions, making it even easier to blitz multiple missions. Of course there are diminishing returns on the count of us being human and having fairly bad reaction times, but I would say around 3 mission runners and you should be making about 75000 LP an hour + some sporadic bounties and the 3% implant from that random mission can that drops from a structure or something. Point is, it's easy money if you do it right -- and if you have multiple characters you can easily "blitz" the missions that need to be cleared, 3 domis with 4x DDA's hardly need a tank.

I think you should take a look at the Rattlesnake's stats again, mate. Even a good old fashion L4 fit Tengu does best running Scourge against Angels, and such a fit only has a 5% per-level Kin buff compaired to the Rattler's 10% per-level buff.

Ergo, his issue of having underwhelming ISK ticks has little to do with his choice of damage type for his missiles. In fact, he's selected Scourge correctly. His issue has to do with overly high expected results.

That's your problem and his problem, you refuse to fit to the npc damage type. Your paper dps means little if you fight against the damage type. 10 mil a tic is about 400 dps, a little less, in angel null. He is claiming 1400 paper dps. Ergo, refit explosive. His issue has nothing to do with expectations. His reality is 10 mil a tic and him thinking he should be getting 5 times that does not change anything. Thinking negatively does not lower your dps in this game.

Your friends were liars and i knew this would happen with sp injectors coming into play.
People want endgame content NOW NOW NOW and get huffy when it's a little different in outcome.
Not everybody replaces sp with faction everything, not everybody buys their way to advancement, but the desire to do so has allowed both isk and sp to be removed from the economy.
T2 ammo on rats? Just don't.
inb4 people who make a billion an hour solo afk in hisec.

Everything in the game, pvp , pve, whatever, requires you to have some idea of what you are doing before you do it, and understanding skills is a HUGE part of it. New people who use injectors don't learn this stuff like they should. Then they get disappointed when things don't work like they thought they would.

Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active.