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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Mortania
...I was refuting...
On what thread was that? I know it was one of them, I'm sure a read something like it... but with so many pro T2 spam going on ATM... OMG I'm confused.
/me drinks coffe
*ahhh too much preasure*
I do have to admit a good one on your side. You did get to spam the forums with pro t2 threads without having a clikie (Eg: There's already a pro t2 thread <here>). It takes some skill to make multiple threads for the same ultimate goal (pro t2) but just different enough to keep them all alive simultaneously. |
Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:58:00 -
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You may not be directly in league with other T2 BPO holders, but you're all con men, just the same. Is it purely a coincidence that Hulks all sell for well over 500mil?
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 08:27:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Voculus
You may not be directly in league with other T2 BPO holders, but you're all con men, just the same. Is it purely a coincidence that Hulks all sell for well over 500mil?
Is it all a coincidence that gas is generally at the same price?
Market forces. Hulks sell for 500M plus. People have tried selling them for less. They get bought and resold at 500M. It's not just the T2 BPO people that make money, resellers do to.
Are you telling me that if you found a cache of 10 Hulks for 100M you would turn around and sell them all for 500M+?
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Gamesguy
Amarr
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.03 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
Is it all a coincidence that gas is generally at the same price?
Nope, world gas prices are controlled by the oil companies because, you guessed it, a few nations have a virtual monopoly on cheap(relatively) gas. Now how about you use a better example, like say...cars.
I guess all cars are the same price too, oh wait.
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Market forces. Hulks sell for 500M plus. People have tried selling them for less. They get bought and resold at 500M. It's not just the T2 BPO people that make money, resellers do to.
Its because there is an artificial monopoly on the product. No one can develop a competing product so everyone is forced to buy from the same few owners, there is literally no reasonable alternative.
And dont give me the "fly t1 if you cant afford it" crap, you try doing a fleet fight with t1 guns on your BSes, see how badly you get slaughtered.
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Are you telling me that if you found a cache of 10 Hulks for 100M you would turn around and sell them all for 500M+?
Of course I would, dont be stupid.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Nope, world gas prices are controlled by the oil companies because, you guessed it, a few nations have a virtual monopoly on cheap(relatively) gas. Now how about you use a better example, like say...cars.
I meant at the local gas stations, which set their own prices. Those always seem to be pretty close to each other in a given area, must be collusion.
Originally by: Gamesguy
Of course I would, dont be stupid.
Means your part of the problem, or would be.
It's almost as if there is some sort of supply problem going on. As if we needed more ways to have everyone have access to T2 more easily. As if the problem isn't the t2 bpo holders themselves, but the severe lack of product on the market for the number of people wanting that product.
Ah well, might as well hang the t2 bpo holders anyhow, they provide the product we have now. That'll show em!
(psst... CCP could solve this problem by making more supply. They choose not to. Or, more likely are trying to figure out a way that works that doesn't **** everyone off. Or more probably ****es everyone off equally.)
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2007.03.03 18:34:00 -
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LOL...snicker, snicker...
I love these T2 Cartel apologists...
"Nothing here!.... Nothing here!!!... Move along!!"
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2007.03.03 18:41:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mortania
Originally by: Frug
Not you again. With another post that's essentially the same as the last one.
What, your incredible small smartbomb t2 BPO that is just as good as all other BPOS isn't working out for you and you gotta make multiple posts on it here?
If you actually want to make an argument worth reading, which you have yet to do, it's pretty simple.
Find a t2 BPO that people think is producing an item that's way too expensive, sit in jita and calculate the price of the components and the price the item's going for. Check that for something other than your dinky smartbomb and get back to me.
I've got plenty, chief. I didn't constuct the strawman from the Small EMP SB II for nothing. It was a calculated choice.
The claim for many is that all t2 BPOs are money makers. In THAT particular thread I am refuting that point.
In this one, I'm am talking about a relatively closely related topic that the problem is not in the lottery or t2 cartels but purely in the supply of a select few t2 items that most people want.
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Another misdirection.....
"The claim for many is that all t2 BPOs are money makers. In THAT particular thread I am refuting that point."
THE CLAIM THAT THE DISCUSSION HAS EVER BEEN ABOUT ALL T2 BPOS BEING MONEY MAKERS IS THE "STRAW-MAN" ARGUEMENT. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF GARBAGE. IT'S THE ISK PRINTING MACHINES THAT UPSET GAME BALANCE.
lol.... these guys never give up....
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Geeknik
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.04 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
If you want the price to come down, ask CCP to increase the supply of T2 goods. Release more T2 BPOs, add T2 BPCs to the lottery, make invention a reasonable alternative, have T2 BPCs be mission runner rewards (more frequently), etc. Think beyond yourself and what is good for the many, not the few or the one.
Personally, I made more money selling T1 Battleship BPCs than I ever did selling T2 goods, and those things are WAY easier to make and reproduce than any T2 goods.
I only read the first page so maybe I missed something but you want to increase the supply of T2 BPOS & BPCs, but you think T2 isn't profitable enough? Last I checked, increased supply = lower prices. 
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Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2007.03.04 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Felysta Sandorn
A simple solution to the t2 BPO lottery in my eyes would be to degrade each BPO after a month and then reseed it...
For example, person x gets a Vaga BPO in January, builds as many as he can in the month allocated then the BPO degrades, and comparable to the use it got, changes in to a BPC with a certain number of runs (high use = high runs). Then in February, person y gets the Vaga BPO. She builds 4 vagas for herself and the BPO is wasted, at the end of the month, the BPO turns in to a 1-run BPC and the cycle continues.
This would stop people having the monopoly on certain BPOs, would make everyone happy (because everyone would get a t2 BPO), and would speed up production (you only get it for a month, so you wouldn't stick around).
A very bad suggestion.
As I should train some specific skill for every BPO (T2 bpo require multiple skills) I would increase the price to cover for the training time lost and the production time lost while training.
In the end you will get higher prices.
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NSA Bivas
Gallente
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.04 11:32:00 -
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First of all IĈm replying to this thread cause I have nothing better to do in dt
Second stop wining about everything
Third buyers are setting up the prices
P.S. i have no t2 bpo but inventions are nice
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.03.04 11:54:00 -
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again... to many whiners!!!!! bahahahahahaha... if you want t2 stuff work for it.. its not hard, mine high end ore if you can, ***** missions or play with the market?? many ppl have made billions with that.. why cant you?
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.04 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
Having run well over a dozen money making T2 BPOs, I can tell you, you don't need to talk to anyone to set your price, you just put it out there and sell it. If it sells faster than you can make it, you raise the price. If you sell it slower than you can make it, you lower the price.
Basic supply/demand curves suck. If demand exceeds supply, increase production cos increasing price is no more than pure greed. If you can make a profit selling at a low price, why inflate prices across the board just to fuel your lust for more money? I often sell tractor beams and always sell below average price and mine sell really fast but all I do is create more BPC's and increase supply. Because I sell at a low price, I probably make more profit overall since I can sell 10 at a 15% markup within hours whereas someone with a 30% markup may take days.
I am not rich and don't have the desire to be, all I want is to be able to afford what I need right now and having enough isk to buy a titan and all the fittings is far more than I have the use for.
I had this arguement with my marketing lecturer at college. The aim of a business is to grow so why stunt the growth of your business by reducing demand? People will also see you as a fair trader and come back to you again if you manufacture other items at a later date. Reputation counts for a lot in marketing.
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SaIIy
Minmatar
X1 Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.04 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: SaIIy on 04/03/2007 20:11:58
Originally by: Frug
Not you again. With another post that's essentially the same as the last one.
What, your incredible small smartbomb t2 BPO that is just as good as all other BPOS isn't working out for you and you gotta make multiple posts on it here?
If you actually want to make an argument worth reading, which you have yet to do, it's pretty simple.
Find a t2 BPO that people think is producing an item that's way too expensive, sit in jita and calculate the price of the components and the price the item's going for. Check that for something other than your dinky smartbomb and get back to me.
Jealousy really is not a good thing. But then I am sure if you had been the person who got a Cap recharger II BPO 12 months ago you would have sold them for 80k each - because you are much better than anyone else and even though otherpeople would have continued to sell theirs for 15 mil plus each you would never have sold over 80k each.
I pronounce you renamed as "Pinochio"
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SaIIy
Minmatar
X1 Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.04 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: SaIIy on 04/03/2007 20:11:58
Originally by: Frug
Not you again. With another post that's essentially the same as the last one.
What, your incredible small smartbomb t2 BPO that is just as good as all other BPOS isn't working out for you and you gotta make multiple posts on it here?
If you actually want to make an argument worth reading, which you have yet to do, it's pretty simple.
Find a t2 BPO that people think is producing an item that's way too expensive, sit in jita and calculate the price of the components and the price the item's going for. Check that for something other than your dinky smartbomb and get back to me.
Jealousy really is not a good thing. But then I am sure if you had been the person who got a Cap recharger II BPO 12 months ago you would have sold them for 80k each - because you are much better than anyone else and even though otherpeople would have continued to sell theirs for 15 mil plus each you would never have sold over 80k each.
I pronounce you renamed as "Pinochio"
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Gort
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.05 08:01:00 -
[75]
Will we all feel so much better when pilots are flying cheap HACs and command ships solely, and the T1 cruiser/bc market is gone and forgotten?
Regards,
Gort
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