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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/03/2007 21:10:03
 Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/03/2007 20:07:47
Originally by: bulabuba
First of all, congrats to Razor for not only taking sov, but managing not to succumb to the temptation to be a-holes about it in public. You've done more than BoB could do if you do nothing but that.
Secondly, most of the posters here are either clueless, or miss the point entirely. The northerners don't have to win here. They just have to keep BoB and their vassels spread out for a while. They know it, and BoB knows it. It would make no sense at all for them expend wads of isk and resources on a full scale assult at this time.
Real Soon Now(tm) BoB is going to be facing the same thing that LV has been facing, and they aren't going to fare much better. Right now, the undeniable truth is that big numbers > big guns in Eve. I'm sure it won't always be that way, but it is right now. When the 1000 man fleets come knocking, neither big skill nor big skill points nor big ships will save BoB. Short of lag and node crashes disappearing miraculously and just in time, BoB's days are numbered.
You can say all you want to about it being lame or unfair or what-have-you, but the simple truth is that you have to play the game as you find it, or go home. BoB always has. That's the way they got big, and that's the way they'll be taken down. This chapter will end, and another will begin. So it goes.
I like this post.... I believe this is more or less what is going to happen.
I've said it before and I'll say it again if the coalition keep it together, its game over for BoB and anybody that allies with them. Atm it does look like steady progress is being made with 9cg being taken.
Congratz to the coalition for taking 9cg, its strategic importance is immeasurable in the south.
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory, not only will it indicate great military accomplishments but also strong moral fibre.... and that is going to be as important in this war as Capital Ships and POS.
[edit:typo]
I think you guys would be right if it wasnt for the fact that BoB has shown itself to be so competent at using its cap ship advantage. Seems to me that the number advantage is going to be going up against a pretty massive cap ship advantage between BoB and MC... no so much in numbers of cap ships but in their ability at using them strategically.
Seems to me that the number of titans BoB is deploying might very well be enough to stop even those thousand ship fleets cold given the impressive planning BoB has shown over the last months in their use.
Though, then again, they might not. Will be interesting to find out really. Though I personally think its hardly going to be one sided in the coalitions favor even if the coalition holds together.
Deus Vult!
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D1ck Jones
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:20:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: D1ck Jones
Originally by: Nez Perces
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory
too bad that ship has long since sailed...
... not really... this is the first tangible victory on BoB soil (assuming 9cg is kept out of BoB hands). In this thread the coalition has been fairly restrained in their postings.
I'd say the tone in this thread is about right.
Oh, ok, I see now. You can randomly add/remove who is part of the coalition at will to suit your posts. So, BE/goons/CA and all their smalktalk about rapetrain, ect dont count.
/noted
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:42:00 -
[93]
Originally by: D1ck Jones
Oh, ok, I see now. You can randomly add/remove who is part of the coalition at will to suit your posts. So, BE/goons/CA and all their smalktalk about rapetrain, ect dont count.
/noted
Lets start again... *sigh*
Originally by: D1ck Jones
Originally by: Nez Perces
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory
too bad that ship has long since sailed...
... perhaps I should have been more specific. The term "Coalition" is being coined to describe the myriad of alliances rallying together to take on BoB. And we can further break it down to the "Northern Coaliton" and the "Southern Coalition". With me so far?
As things stand, only the "Northern Coalition" has thrown its full weight directly onto BoB territories. The "Southern Coalition" is still wrapping up the LV territories as far as I am aware.
Now.... what I said was in reference to the "Coalition" as in the sum of the Southern and Northern portions. And so far the only tangible victory so far *against BoB* has been reported in this thread and with some degree of restraint.
Goons and CA have been at it with LV for some time now.. so that section of the conflict is really only a precursor for the real show and is not what I was referring to.
Hence... the "Coalition" still has the opportunity to be magnanimous if they achieve victories against BoB itself. Whether or not the "Coalition" has shown restraint in the build up to this conflict or not, is another matter and one which I did not comment on.
Capiche?
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:13:00 -
[94]
I mostly just find myself wondering if in the end, anything will count other than who has the most Titans. Oh sure, you still need other capitals and support, but every one of these is a gamebreaker.
Titanwise, the Coalition forces are hugely in the hole when it comes to a count on how many of these exist. They've currently shown what, two? Its going to take a long war indeed for those numbers to even out, and then only if pressure can be maintained on the BoB & friend building facilities.
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USN CVN72
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:41:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/03/2007 20:07:47
Originally by: bulabuba
First of all, congrats to Razor for not only taking sov, but managing not to succumb to the temptation to be a-holes about it in public. You've done more than BoB could do if you do nothing but that.
Secondly, most of the posters here are either clueless, or miss the point entirely. The northerners don't have to win here. They just have to keep BoB and their vassels spread out for a while. They know it, and BoB knows it. It would make no sense at all for them expend wads of isk and resources on a full scale assult at this time.
Real Soon Now(tm) BoB is going to be facing the same thing that LV has been facing, and they aren't going to fare much better. Right now, the undeniable truth is that big numbers > big guns in Eve. I'm sure it won't always be that way, but it is right now. When the 1000 man fleets come knocking, neither big skill nor big skill points nor big ships will save BoB. Short of lag and node crashes disappearing miraculously and just in time, BoB's days are numbered.
You can say all you want to about it being lame or unfair or what-have-you, but the simple truth is that you have to play the game as you find it, or go home. BoB always has. That's the way they got big, and that's the way they'll be taken down. This chapter will end, and another will begin. So it goes.
I like this post.... I believe this is more or less what is going to happen.
I've said it before and I'll say it again if the coalition keep it together, its game over for BoB and anybody that allies with them. Atm it does look like steady progress is being made with 9cg being taken.
Congratz to the coalition for taking 9cg, its strategic importance is immeasurable in the south.
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory, not only will it indicate great military accomplishments but also strong moral fibre.... and that is going to be as important in this war as Capital Ships and POS.
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Nez Perces, did you know that this remark you posted is so true and that your my new best friend... YOU FOUND MY WET SPOT!!! Damn who would have thought... Who ever controls 9cg i would like to offer 20million Lira for the station so i can get out all my personal items held hostage in that station for 3yrs hehe.
 
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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.02 23:34:00 -
[96]
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darth Zion
Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
Since you dont know me, i rather doubt you have great insight into my associations.
The only silly games i see, are various forum users continuing to flame me, off-topic. I asked a simple question based on the evidence i had to hand. If you consider it loaded, well answer it carefully, ignoring the topic and flaming a poster isnt the way to deal with such questions.. not if you want look like it was out of place..
Thoth, I don't think it's your question that has people flaming you...it is the way you asked it, using the word "Magically" would imnply something fishy going on in what RZR did and thats prolly whats got people riled up.
Perhaps next time you should just ask the question straight
Possibly, if it was, it was a misunderstanding.. that was just to highlight the adamance from zimi that they didnt spam.. when sofar dispite the repeated flaming, it looks very much like they did..
As soon as CCP decides that having more POS in a system than your enemy is no long required for sovreignity, then I'm sure everyone will stop "spamming" POS...your friends in BoB included. I mean, what exactly would be call what the BNC.E guy was doing last night in 9CG after sovreignity was lost to Razor? heheh...
Since there is something like 40+ moons in 9CG and the Coalition has, over the course of three weeks put up a small number of POS, I don't personally think its activities qualify as wanton POS spamming.
Lets just assume everyone involved (on both sides) is going to do what they can to meet their objectives in this conflict and leave it at that.
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:11:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Orree
Edited by: Orree on 02/03/2007 23:35:30
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darth Zion
Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
Since you dont know me, i rather doubt you have great insight into my associations.
The only silly games i see, are various forum users continuing to flame me, off-topic. I asked a simple question based on the evidence i had to hand. If you consider it loaded, well answer it carefully, ignoring the topic and flaming a poster isnt the way to deal with such questions.. not if you want look like it was out of place..
Thoth, I don't think it's your question that has people flaming you...it is the way you asked it, using the word "Magically" would imnply something fishy going on in what RZR did and thats prolly whats got people riled up.
Perhaps next time you should just ask the question straight
Possibly, if it was, it was a misunderstanding.. that was just to highlight the adamance from zimi that they didnt spam.. when sofar dispite the repeated flaming, it looks very much like they did..
As soon as CCP decides that having more POS in a system than your enemy is no long required for sovreignity, then I'm sure everyone will stop "spamming" POS...your friends in BoB included. I mean, what exactly would we call what the BNC.E guy was doing last night in 9CG after sovreignity was lost to Razor? heheh...
Since there is something like 40+ moons in 9CG and the Coalition has, over the course of three weeks put up a small number of POS, I don't personally think its activities qualify as wanton POS spamming.
Lets just assume everyone involved (on both sides) is going to do what they can to meet their objectives in this conflict and leave it at that.
It is an aspect of the game i certainly wont miss, I dont believe it is well implemented. And unfortunately, your post is prolly very accurate. From my past experience, it is not an aspect of the game anyone enjoys, or aims for when they have the PVP ability to avoid it.
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Meddly
Nocturnal Soldiers
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:46:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Meddly on 03/03/2007 00:43:28
Originally by: Habraka
Originally by: Skoot
Well , im looking at bob kb and the northern entities since the war started .
As far as i can tell you , you havent managed to score a single victory versus bob . Are you guys suffering from the ASCN syndrome ?
Only "victories" BoB had so far in Querious are when they use the Doomsday Device. In fact, last time they "won" an engagement in Querious they had to use two Titans with Doomsday. The Coalition controls upper Querious, only now and then there's a 5 man FIX gatecamp in 3-F.
Regarding POS 'spammage', the Coalition has been busy and still is with destroying Allied Starbases in Querious, not just in 9CG or ED-. BoB put up a large tower in 9CG last night, we immediately got a fleet together, even though our numbers were very low, and we started pounding the POS with roughly 10-15 bs's. Now, if you know anything about POS, then you'll know that hitting a large tower with only 10 bs's takes ages, especially when you have a hostile mothership in said POS.
Anyone saying the Coalition isn't progressing in Querious obviously isn't near the region, come down and see for yourself who's winning the war.
Yes your control of running back to Empire is impressive when we showed up today, the closest you guys came to anything of "winning" or "controling" Querious was with a 120man fleet to P-F (6 jumps away) to stop the sieging of ALL your POS's and the destruction of a few today including the one that had over 20 hardeners on it. Then you ran back to Empire when we sent half the forces to deal with you guys.
POS warfare win's nothing, stop hiding in empire and only fighting at your POS's then when you do you can consider using the terms of "Winning" or "Control".
GG
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Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.03 01:01:00 -
[99]
Alt flaming 4tw. 
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Drunken Cajun
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.03 02:13:00 -
[100]
And quit picking on Vlasic. That's my job
laissez les bon temps rouler |
arjun
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.03 02:19:00 -
[101]
was that a fix guy hiding behind bob or a bob guy hiding behind 2 titans?
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Heptameron
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 02:34:00 -
[102]
Ok for the record.... first off no-one from razor has been popping their chest out about gaining sov in 9cg. In fact it has been pointed out that we EXPECT it to be a game of ping pong. To that end I'll add what happened tonight.
BoB/MC/Fix turned up with a massive cap fleet of approximately 19 dreads, 9 carriers a couple of MS and 2 titans. They then jumped in a large ish sized BS fleet. Before they arrived there was 8 blues (coalition) in local, 1 hour later 268 in local 23 blue (coalition). Hey... we chose not to engage although my crow was itching to have a go at shrikes big ship!
Hostile fleet went out and camped 3-f choke point with around 150 ish combo BS/support. That's the start and end of tonight's lil addition to the story unfolding.
Now ffs chill out and let's have some fun.... this could and should go on for months. Bob have had some victories and so have we. In fact a little bit of respect to them for not doing the chest thumping routine either. KB numbers mean squat, let's just wait till the dust has cleared at the end of this epic and see who still holds the field.
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Meddly
Nocturnal Soldiers
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Posted - 2007.03.03 02:58:00 -
[103]
Originally by: arjun
was that a fix guy hiding behind bob or a bob guy hiding behind 2 titans?
Or a D2 guy hiding behind station walls, that is the question!
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.03 03:18:00 -
[104]
Both sides are obviously nubs. The RA we know and love would have put 38 Large POSs up in no time (given tht 2 moons were taken by BoB).
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.03 03:22:00 -
[105]
How exactly is Nocturnal Soldiers involved in this war again?
Oh, that's right, they aren't.
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Drunken Cajun
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.03 03:56:00 -
[106]
I think they provide alts for FiX. Which is funny if it is a FIX person trying to chestbeat about chasing anyone off. When they've been running off for the past couple of weeks at least.
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Xiaodown
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:13:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Xiaodown on 03/03/2007 04:10:17
Originally by: NATMav
So I ask you, how exactly is BoB "winning"? They are losing control of their systems, and their space is general is overrun with invaders like never before, and time is their enemy.
I'm not saying that the BoB side will come out on top in this war, but this simply isn't true. As a resident of BoB space, I can tell you first hand, we regularly form up gangs and go roaming from delve all the way over to Teneferis, and I'm not kidding when I say it's often hard to find any hostiles to kill.
Now, you can say whatever you want about the odds, or the outlook, or the current pos status, etc. But on this specific quote, you're incorrect.
Querious has been the hotspot lately, with all the northern folks fighting FIX for space, but other than that and the occasional gang of AAA, it's mostly small fleets of nanophoon/domi/curse (we see 2-3 of these a day) and solo PVPers. It's far from "overrun".
~Xiao
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Cassandra Bloom
Diamonds inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:34:00 -
[108]
Originally by: thoth foc
Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 13:05:41
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Apple Boy
razor currently has the station in it's control. POS spam warfare or POS sieging is possibly going to start for station ping pong. Only time will tell what BoB plans on doing.
So Razor will be doing the POS spamming, and BOB doing the POS seiging?
Was the other way around last night, fanboi.
Razor are destroying POS's? or did sov magically change long enuff for to shoot the station?
Do you belive in magic?
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Meddly
Nocturnal Soldiers
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:46:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Meddly on 03/03/2007 04:44:35
Originally by: Drunken Cajun
I think they provide alts for FiX. Which is funny if it is a FIX person trying to chestbeat about chasing anyone off. When they've been running off for the past couple of weeks at least.
Sorry not FIX, and seeing how you guys need what 5-10 alliances to take on FIX and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all. Also FIX at least engages at hostile POS's.
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Camar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:08:00 -
[110]
First off, I'm a BoB fanboi 
(yeah, I like Sir Molle cause he is swedish, or at least I heard he was  )
But I still think it's gonna be very damn hard fighting a multiple front war, so it pretty much boils down to how long FIX and LV holds out.
Then again, I'm drunk and have nothing to do with this war, nor do I wish I had, but I still wish everyone involved a good war with lots of good fights! Keep the smack low and bring us good reports that those of us out of this war loves to read!
Oh yes, kick those slavers in the <censur> too and all other matari propaganda you can think off
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Maltere
Gallente
Inversion
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:08:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Meddly
Sorry not FIX, and seeing how you guys need what 5-10 alliances to take on FIX and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all. Also FIX at least engages at hostile POS's.
after reading that i can tell you dont really know what your talking about
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Meddly
Nocturnal Soldiers
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:22:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Meddly on 03/03/2007 05:19:44
Originally by: Maltere
Originally by: Meddly
Sorry not FIX, and seeing how you guys need what 5-10 alliances to take on FIX and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all. Also FIX at least engages at hostile POS's.
after reading that i can tell you dont really know what your talking about
IRON/Razor/MM/Some other peeps aren't multiple alliances?
Only BoB Cap Fleet and/or Titans has been there to help FIX.
You guys have killed 1 maybe 2 POS's . . .
You guys have lost 9 dreads 6 to BoB and 3 to MC.
You guys have lost a few Carriers but I think FIX has too so I don't count them.
You guys have lost quite a few POS's now.
Been 3-4 weeks now since war has began.
ALL your POS's are in reinforced right now.
Correct me where I'm wrong.
GG, last post anyways, this is like teaching a fish to talk.
/me invests in tin foil and the northern make a wish foundation.
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Josh Causto
Gallente
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Meddly
...and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all.
Appearantly you have never been in POS warfare before....
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Meddly
Nocturnal Soldiers
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:24:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Meddly on 03/03/2007 05:21:03
Originally by: Josh Causto
Originally by: Meddly
...and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all.
Appearantly you have never been in POS warfare before....
Thought it was 5 DT's for sov, not 4 weeks . . .
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Weatherman
Gallente
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:42:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Josh Causto
Originally by: Meddly
...and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all.
Appearantly you have never been in POS warfare before....
lol, there were only like, 2 bob pos and one mc pos in 9cg to begin with. It shouldn't have been that hard to get more pos up than that in a 40 moon system, that is, if the coalition is as in control of Q as all your forum warriors have been reporting.
Also, you guys can say whatever you want about FIX. At the end of the day, you felt the need to bring 5+ alliances to Q and I think that speaks louder than forum posts. I wonder how many alliances in your coalition of northern territories would do as well under those odds.
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Bella Noma
Amarr
Mapquest Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:47:00 -
[116]
i heard there were banana's in querious but i also heard about monkeys guarding the bananas. i think i best be careful and not get bitten by a green monkey or i can end up with one of those viruses responsible for flaming people on game forums about POS warfare 
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ishkabibble
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:52:00 -
[117]
the "smack" is strong in this post your jedi's
POS's go up, POS's go down
RZR atm have 9cg, but can they hold it
other than that, every other post on this tread is pointless
lets have some fun and settle this in 9cg, cause at the end of the day.......
mine is bigger than all of yours
"I have no clue what weapons we will fight the third world war with, but the fourth world war will be fought with sticks and rocks" - Albert Einstein |
Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:06:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Cadiz on 03/03/2007 06:05:25
Originally by: Weatherman
Also, you guys can say whatever you want about FIX. At the end of the day, you felt the need to bring 5+ alliances to Q and I think that speaks louder than forum posts. I wonder how many alliances in your coalition of northern territories would do as well under those odds.
The funny part is that these are almost exactly the same things you guys were saying during the CODA war around a year ago, heh. That aside, if it wasn't for BoB propping you guys up, I'm pretty sure just about any one of the alliances currently clubbing away at you would suffice.
Go MM & Friends! \o/
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Puncher
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:12:00 -
[119]
Beachhead is a military term used to describe the line created when a unit (by sea) reaches a beach, and begins to defend that area of beach, while other reinforcements (hopefully) help out, until a unit large enough to begin advancing has arrived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead
To all of the BoB Alt smacktalkers, keep looking to the East in fear of the nightmare coming down the pipe...
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Habraka
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:38:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Meddly
Edited by: Meddly on 03/03/2007 05:19:44
Originally by: Maltere
Originally by: Meddly
Sorry not FIX, and seeing how you guys need what 5-10 alliances to take on FIX and get sov FINALLY for a few days after 4 weeks says it all. Also FIX at least engages at hostile POS's.
after reading that i can tell you dont really know what your talking about
IRON/Razor/MM/Some other peeps aren't multiple alliances?
Only BoB Cap Fleet and/or Titans has been there to help FIX.
You guys have killed 1 maybe 2 POS's . . .
You guys have lost 9 dreads 6 to BoB and 3 to MC.
You guys have lost a few Carriers but I think FIX has too so I don't count them.
You guys have lost quite a few POS's now.
Been 3-4 weeks now since war has began.
ALL your POS's are in reinforced right now.
Correct me where I'm wrong.
GG, last post anyways, this is like teaching a fish to talk.
/me invests in tin foil and the northern make a wish foundation.
Yes, I admit, we lost terribly to FIX/BoB/MC. We are handing over all our stations to whoever wants it and we'll go mine Scordite in Amarr. We lost cause nobody expected BoB to survive 4 weeks .
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