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Econyphic
Gallente Knowledge Is Power
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Posted - 2007.03.02 08:38:00 -
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My post on the main MC thread got deleted by the mods... :( So I read up on the rulez... and Im back. Who do you guys think is the under dog in the New Eden War? If Im correct, this is the basic breakdown:
Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive.
BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s.
Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit.
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Stormers Girlfriend
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Posted - 2007.03.02 08:41:00 -
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Why does there have to be a underdog? Both sides seem pretty ******* huge to me.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.02 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Stormers Girlfriend Why does there have to be a underdog? Both sides seem pretty ******* huge to me.
Damn alts...sorry...was me.
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Ravelin Eb
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 08:43:00 -
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I would like some sort of link to the source which informed you that the Coalition all have lower sp than BoB?
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arjun
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.02 08:43:00 -
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bob + lv + fix + xs alone have 6500 members together. better get your research done properly before posting.
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.03.02 09:07:00 -
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Noobswarm are the underdogs. But with our 11 members and avg 900k SP, we are about ready to rock the universe to its foundations.
I cant decide who I want as a pet first however. BOB or D2? Especially since ibis are kind of free.
:) :) :)
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Limlox
Caldari Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.03.02 09:11:00 -
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I saw a noob char/alt in Delve last week chatting to some BoB members about CCP's 'New Eden War' post. By his counting of those listed alone the numbers were Quote: *alt* > alliance (u guys)8457, and the coalition has like 17488
On the wagon
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.02 09:39:00 -
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Underdog=servers "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.02 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/03/2007 09:47:28 Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/03/2007 09:46:31
Originally by: Econyphic My post on the main MC thread got deleted by the mods... :( So I read up on the rulez... and Im back. Who do you guys think is the under dog in the New Eden War? If Im correct, this is the basic breakdown:
Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive.
BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s.
Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit.
If we count only those corps/alliances active in the war regions with some real numbers and day in day out fighting there we might get more accurate numbers. So the big alliances that are involved and those entities, who participate with fleets, where territory is to be conquered or lost.
Both sides will have some smaller entities, who have chosen their side, but are not 24/7 involved and do their little actions on their own, so I'd suggest to leave them out of this here. This counts also for us. We are not 24/7 in an around-the-clock war. It's more like some smaller gangs roaming around over the day and in the evening during our prime time it goes like: 'Hey guys, jump into your battleships ships and let's have some fun ! Let's go visit CA, Goonies, whatever !' Hehe. And it's really fun this way I must say. ___________ Muuuhhh !!! |
Tarace CEO
Caldari ME15
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Posted - 2007.03.02 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive.
wrong
Originally by: Econyphic BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?).
wrong
Originally by: Econyphic Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s.
wrong
Thanks eve, SP does nothing, tools and strategy does, however with almost bob pilots being veterans, bpo owners, huge assets etc, it is difficult for a "fresh" alliance to hit it hardly.
If you take all bob space, you'll even reinforce them. No one wants to see an alliance like bob in guerrilla mode.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tarace CEO
Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive.
wrong
Originally by: Econyphic BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?).
wrong
Originally by: Econyphic Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s.
wrong
Thanks eve, SP does nothing, tools and strategy does, however with almost bob pilots being veterans, bpo owners, huge assets etc, it is difficult for a "fresh" alliance to hit it hardly.
If you take all bob space, you'll even reinforce them. No one wants to see an alliance like bob in guerrilla mode.
I honestly would love an alliance like BoB in guerilla mode. Because that is NOT what they are good at. Not to mention they really do drop nicest loot.
Popping the right BoB ship might be worth several hundred million up to a billion in loot.
BoB are good at fleet combat, no doubt and they excell in logistics and many other fields, guerilla warfare is for sure not their way though.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tarace CEO
Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive.
wrong
Originally by: Econyphic BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?).
wrong
Originally by: Econyphic Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s.
wrong
Thanks eve, SP does nothing, tools and strategy does, however with almost bob pilots being veterans, bpo owners, huge assets etc, it is difficult for a "fresh" alliance to hit it hardly.
If you take all bob space, you'll even reinforce them. No one wants to see an alliance like bob in guerrilla mode.
I honestly would love an alliance like BoB in guerilla mode. Because that is NOT what they are good at. Not to mention they really do drop nicest loot.
Popping the right BoB ship might be worth several hundred million up to a billion in loot.
BoB are good at fleet combat, no doubt and they excell in logistics and many other fields, guerilla warfare is for sure not their way though.
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: arjun
bob + lv + fix + xs alone have 6500 members together. better get your research done properly before posting.
And i love the way this guy says do the research but clearly leaves out that the coalition has was more than 6000 pilots, and id check what size you think the BoB size actually is m8
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Frygok
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.02 13:44:00 -
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I am not sure I understand the importance of being "underdog" in EVE warfare. Does it matter if one force is larger than the other? Can the smaller group claim some moral highground? Can they endlessly mock the larger group or something?
And if you wanted to compare, it would be on tons of other things than just pure numbers, like average skillpoints, average playing hours, number of ships each pilot can throw into a war. On top of that comes alts, spies and capital pilots.
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Dragutinovic
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:08:00 -
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i would sell my arm to get my main back and have a go at Devvon's (RKK) thorax again for good old times .
Him and TWD seeing to hit local would deffo make you look aroudn very carefull , dont underestimate them in guerrila tactics ;) _____________
Im back !
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Tarace CEO
Caldari ME15
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
I honestly would love an alliance like BoB in guerilla mode. Because that is NOT what they are good at. Not to mention they really do drop nicest loot.
Popping the right BoB ship might be worth several hundred million up to a billion in loot.
BoB are good at fleet combat, no doubt and they excell in logistics and many other fields, guerilla warfare is for sure not their way though.
I recommend you to check the history of bob corps. Most of them are born from wars and without holding any space.
I still remember how ATUK (or Dice) were mobile and never affraid to come and move during months inside a hostile core system. This is how Bob can be if it is free of space holding.
Guerrilla warfare not the hardest in pvp. Hit and runs, driving small engagements etc are the easiest imho. I dont think bob fc's like Tholarim, Farjung etc will be completly lost in guerrilla warfare :)
I says that, but it goes for many alliances. I mean, it's a general pov
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DiNoer
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:15:00 -
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Underdog?
Nodes are already mentioned do I'd add the insurance company...
I really hope that we get that stock market up soon, "WTB - Ship yard stock!"
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tarace CEO
Originally by: Dekiri
I honestly would love an alliance like BoB in guerilla mode. Because that is NOT what they are good at. Not to mention they really do drop nicest loot.
Popping the right BoB ship might be worth several hundred million up to a billion in loot.
BoB are good at fleet combat, no doubt and they excell in logistics and many other fields, guerilla warfare is for sure not their way though.
I recommend you to check the history of bob corps. Most of them are born from wars and without holding any space.
I still remember how ATUK (or Dice) were mobile and never affraid to come and move during months inside a hostile core system. This is how Bob can be if it is free of space holding.
Guerrilla warfare not the hardest in pvp. Hit and runs, driving small engagements etc are the easiest imho. I dont think bob fc's like Tholarim, Farjung etc will be completly lost in guerrilla warfare :)
I says that, but it goes for many alliances. I mean, it's a general pov
I don't need to check histories, because i have been fighting them for a good while. I know what they can and i also know what ex MC like Farjung can and/or are good at. Saying that BoB excells at guerilla warfare is ridiculous. I know many other that are far better at that. The MC does not really shine to much there either. The only ones that really earned my personal respect apart from TRI and especially exanimo is OMNOR, because those guys really know their stuff (except from some minor exceptions ofc).
BoB does have a couple of really awsome FC's, but the individual persons skill counts a lot more the smaller the engagements get. And i am not talking about SP here.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:40:00 -
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We're the underdog because we're really just a bunch of unorganizes talentless rabble
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:43:00 -
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I would like to point out that both sides have a lot of very good figheters...
Most of SA joined Goons = all very very good fighters AAA = all very top fighters RA = all top fighters
Not sure about D2 and I can't comment on CA.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:45:00 -
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Goons are good fighters because they're suicidal
don't care about ship = gets lots of kills
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer
Originally by: Stormers Girlfriend Why does there have to be a underdog? Both sides seem pretty ******* huge to me.
Damn alts...sorry...was me.
its ok, not for one second did anyone think u could possibly get a girlfriend.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:15:00 -
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The underdogs are those not employed by ccp...
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The underdogs are those not employed by ccp...
Lol. It's funny cos its true.
Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The underdogs are those not employed by ccp...
Lol. It's funny cos its true.
lol its funny cause your a moron
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Lol. It's funny cos its true.
lol its funny cause your a moron
YOU'RE (notice the funny symbol between the U and the R) a moron.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
Originally by: Tarace CEO
Originally by: Dekiri
I honestly would love an alliance like BoB in guerilla mode. Because that is NOT what they are good at. Not to mention they really do drop nicest loot.
Popping the right BoB ship might be worth several hundred million up to a billion in loot.
BoB are good at fleet combat, no doubt and they excell in logistics and many other fields, guerilla warfare is for sure not their way though.
I recommend you to check the history of bob corps. Most of them are born from wars and without holding any space.
I still remember how ATUK (or Dice) were mobile and never affraid to come and move during months inside a hostile core system. This is how Bob can be if it is free of space holding.
Guerrilla warfare not the hardest in pvp. Hit and runs, driving small engagements etc are the easiest imho. I dont think bob fc's like Tholarim, Farjung etc will be completly lost in guerrilla warfare :)
I says that, but it goes for many alliances. I mean, it's a general pov
I don't need to check histories, because i have been fighting them for a good while. I know what they can and i also know what ex MC like Farjung can and/or are good at. Saying that BoB excells at guerilla warfare is ridiculous. I know many other that are far better at that. The MC does not really shine to much there either. The only ones that really earned my personal respect apart from TRI and especially exanimo is OMNOR, because those guys really know their stuff (except from some minor exceptions ofc).
BoB does have a couple of really awsome FC's, but the individual persons skill counts a lot more the smaller the engagements get. And i am not talking about SP here.
Individual discipline always counts for alot, and even in small, guerrilla-style engagements the commander can be just as important as in fleets (with the added safety net that individual members can "cover" for him should he fail in smaller engagements).
And guess what BoB has alot of? Most of the coalition forces are militias, navies formed when needed, whose general playstyle is often a good deal more relaxed than BoB's. BoB, in MMO parlance, is the hardcore raiding guild to the regular guild; those who prefer that playstyle gravitate to BoB, and as a result they have a strong base of dedicated people.
Given a short period of readjustment, BoB could easily excel at smaller-scale warfare, beyond that of most all other entities in EVE. This is because they have shown they have the will and discipline required, as a group, to adapt to any changes thrown at them. ----
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Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:36:00 -
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BoB was formed while bandwagoning against the Old PA, who were vastly outnumbered by their enemies back in the day.
It would be ironic if they were to go down because of a bandwagon formed against them. Karma and all that.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Individual discipline always counts for alot, and even in small, guerrilla-style engagements the commander can be just as important as in fleets (with the added safety net that individual members can "cover" for him should he fail in smaller engagements).
And guess what BoB has alot of? Most of the coalition forces are militias, navies formed when needed, whose general playstyle is often a good deal more relaxed than BoB's. BoB, in MMO parlance, is the hardcore raiding guild to the regular guild; those who prefer that playstyle gravitate to BoB, and as a result they have a strong base of dedicated people.
Given a short period of readjustment, BoB could easily excel at smaller-scale warfare, beyond that of most all other entities in EVE. This is because they have shown they have the will and discipline required, as a group, to adapt to any changes thrown at them.
I am pretty sure they "could" if they practised it and got into it after a while. I just doubt they could do it NOW. The question is, what will be left of BoB after this. If they can keep their numbers and can actually fight in gangs bigger then 10 people each, then i am sure they will slap most of the coalition around np. But that is something most pvp corps could if they tried.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The underdogs are those not employed by ccp...
Funny, and unfortunatelly true
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