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Alexxi Ljung Amarr Mad Potatoes	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Dekiri I don't need to check histories, because i have been fighting them for a good while. I know what they can and i also know what ex MC like Farjung can and/or are good at. Saying that BoB excells at guerilla warfare is ridiculous. I know many other that are far better at that. The MC does not really shine to much there either. The only ones that really earned my personal respect apart from TRI and especially exanimo is OMNOR, because those guys really know their stuff (except from some minor exceptions ofc). BoB does have a couple of really awsome FC's, but the individual persons skill counts a lot more the smaller the engagements get. And i am not talking about SP here. i was awestruck of the insight and farseeing some ppl have. Tough i understand that such a young person might think gang warfare will change things around eve... since is theyr first actual combat experience, i would be inclined to accept such a statement from a group of people like BE that indeed raised ganking to a form of art. Looking on BOB kb tough ... i see that this young man that has "been fighting them for a good while" might have to re-think what fighting is all about: on bob killboard he is credited for 3 kills(bs+2hac) at 3 deaths(hac+cruiser+inty) tryed to look for him on he's own kb... but he's not credited for any kills vs bob... however, the figures shown in triumvirate KB vs BOB are: Kills / Losses: 96 / 108 keep that in mind when u start giving advice (even to yourself)
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Cupdeez Most of SA joined Goons = all very very good fighters. Hi, I've heard this SA Goon link mentioned a number of times and its always confused me. From my perspective most of the hardcore SA seem to be still in their original corps or follow on corps. Put it another way ive never seen someone I knew from my years in SA wearing a goon badge, with the exception of Remedial. But hey i could be wrong. Anyways, GF are vgood at what they do. And im sure in the swarm they have gonna have some meaty big bastard pvpers by now. Best Regards, Taur
Boosthungry Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.02 18:53:00 - [34] Edited by: NATMav on 02/03/2007 18:49:27 SA (in reference to Goons) = somethingawful.com forums Stain Allaince (keke) is in no way connected directly with Goons AFAIK
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:03:00 - [35] Originally by: NATMav Edited by: NATMav on 02/03/2007 18:49:27 SA (in reference to Goons) = somethingawful.com forums Stain Allaince (keke) is in no way connected directly with Goons AFAIK I am enlightened. Thanks, Taur
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:20:00 - [36] some one posted: Coalition - 13k+ Allies - 9k Trying to find the post atm. Not that it matters too much... As for the guerrilla warfare...Bob has spent 90% of their combat time in the last year attacking other people. Fighting from locations where they don't have support or infrastructure. If thats not guerrilla warfare (atleast in the definition that you used...sense by definition guerrilla warfare requires the support of the local populace) I would care to see what you think is?
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:20:00 - [37] some one posted: Coalition - 13k+ Allies - 9k Trying to find the post atm. Not that it matters too much... As for the guerrilla warfare...Bob has spent 90% of their combat time in the last year attacking other people. Fighting from locations where they don't have support or infrastructure. If thats not guerrilla warfare (atleast in the definition that you used...sense by definition guerrilla warfare requires the support of the local populace) I would care to see what you think is?
Econyphic Gallente Knowledge Is Power	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Ravelin Eb I would like some sort of link to the source which informed you that the Coalition all have lower sp than BoB? Im simply going on what Ive heard. I started this thread b/c I wanted to know the facts. So people are saying that the Coalition is the under dog?
Econyphic Gallente Knowledge Is Power	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories. I didnt even know IAC was involved... Is there a post somewhere listing ALL of the entities involved?
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:21:00 - [40] ccp servers are the underdogs in this war node crash 4tl If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 20:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Econyphic Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories. I didnt even know IAC was involved... Is there a post somewhere listing ALL of the entities involved? Linky -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:00:00 - [42] Edited by: Aindrias on 02/03/2007 20:56:36 Never Fear... Linkage Ok.. well... maybe..
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:21:00 - [43] Even more importantly, who are the Polly Purehearts? Have a good, pew-pew filled weekend everyone... Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.02 21:36:00 - [44] Kinda had to claim who is the underdog here... :( 1) If we say it`s BOB, and they win, you better shutdown the forums, because CAOD will die. 2) if we say it`s the Coalition, it would be unfair to BoB, because the Coalition has the numbers advantage. In my opinion there are no underdogs here... Aside of the neutral alliances caught in the middle, that is.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:12:00 - [45] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The underdogs are those not employed by ccp... Lol. It's funny cos its true. lol its funny cause your a moron Stop spamming our KB. Now who is the Moron? please... --------------------------------
Shiwan Khan Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Econyphic My post on the main MC thread got deleted by the mods... :( So I read up on the rulez... and Im back. Who do you guys think is the under dog in the New Eden War? If Im correct, this is the basic breakdown: Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. You cannot keep using the higher sp vs higher numbers thing to compare the two sides of this war. Personally, i have 46 million sp and i am thrown into the "low sp" category by virtue of which side of the war i am on. I am sure there are many others on our side that have large numbers of sp, just as i am sure there are members of bob/allies that have low sp. ____________________________________________ AEKDB
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:26:00 - [47] Hell have no furry like BOB with free time and loads of targets :) Isk wise they are covered threw their t2 bpo collection. They have the will and desire (atleast the ones I have talked to) to bring hell down onto this BLOB train even if they lose their space. BOB,LV,MC +Allies are the underdogs just by the "coaltion of misfits" ability to amass people and blob all day. Not to mention the "coaltion of misfits" has the best forum ***s ever --------------------------- Originally by:** Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Shiwan Khan Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:16:00 - [48] Originally by: scabbsssjr Hell have no furry like BOB with free time and loads of targets :) Isk wise they are covered threw their t2 bpo collection. They have the will and desire (atleast the ones I have talked to) to bring hell down onto this BLOB train even if they lose their space. BOB,LV,MC +Allies are the underdogs just by the "coaltion of misfits" ability to amass people and blob all day. Not to mention the "coaltion of misfits" has the best forum *****s ever Who are you and why do you think you matter? ____________________________________________ AEKDB
Econyphic Gallente Knowledge Is Power	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:11:00 - [49] How many dreads and how many Titans do each side have?? We should do a cap ship count down...
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:52:00 - [50] Personally i think the coalition are the underdogs... we can butcher the bob pets but they are just a shield, the damage we inflict with our current rabble fleets on proper bob fleets is meaningless, particularly since most of them can afford the losses easily. In a real war we'd win for sure... we use american tactics and just keep pushing grunts in until the enemy is all dead... just like ww2... we dont need to train our pilots that well because they're A) cheap B) plentiful and C) will probably die in their first engagement. Sadly the war of eve is attrition based but on isk rather than numbers... the titans in particular nuke our ability to out blob bob... On a side note.. CCP wants to kill the blob but now gang bonus's are only in effect if you turn your small gang into a large fleet.. well done retards.
BobGhengisKhan Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.03 07:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Tarace CEO Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. wrong Originally by: Econyphic BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). wrong Originally by: Econyphic Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. wrong Thanks eve, SP does nothing, tools and strategy does, however with almost bob pilots being veterans, bpo owners, huge assets etc, it is difficult for a "fresh" alliance to hit it hardly. If you take all bob space, you'll even reinforce them. No one wants to see an alliance like bob in guerrilla mode. I honestly would love an alliance like BoB in guerilla mode. Because that is NOT what they are good at. Not to mention they really do drop nicest loot. Popping the right BoB ship might be worth several hundred million up to a billion in loot. BoB are good at fleet combat, no doubt and they excell in logistics and many other fields, guerilla warfare is for sure not their way though. Saying an entity like BoB or any other "strong" alliance is bad at guerrilla warfar is like saying a country like England is bad at guerrilla warfare. I mean what's the point when you can just blow the **** out of it. Unless of course you're talking about countering guerrilla warfare in which case, which alliance is actually GOOD at it? And don't forget, alot of these guys were doing the whole "hit and run" thing since before you had even started playing.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.03.03 10:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Ravelin Eb I would like some sort of link to the source which informed you that the Coalition all have lower sp than BoB? Well, I can't prove that you have lower sp, but I feel that naming your alliance 'Curse Alliance', and then taking up residence in Great Wildlands, certainly puts you in the 'Intelligence Undergod' catagory, if you ask me. Regards Mattduk
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.03.03 10:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories. IAC History 101: clicky Sorry, I couldn't resist it :) Especially, after the responses IAC gave UARM when we announced going merc... 'we've fought them for months and months and blah, and blah and useless, blah, and rhubarb... crap, useless... good for nothing.... I need a teet....' A good fleet commander would have sent a scout ahead and been made aware of the three bubbles on the gate and the 18 battleships at snipe range. But hey, you go ahead and make sweeping generalizations, and have major representatives of your alliance insult people on these forums. It does your reputation a world of good. Kind regards Mattduk
Boosthungry Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 19:09:00 - [54] Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories. IAC History 101: clicky Sorry, I couldn't resist it :) Especially, after the responses IAC gave UARM when we announced going merc... 'we've fought them for months and months and blah, and blah and useless, blah, and rhubarb... crap, useless... good for nothing.... I need a teet....' A good fleet commander would have sent a scout ahead and been made aware of the three bubbles on the gate and the 18 battleships at snipe range. But hey, you go ahead and make sweeping generalizations, and have major representatives of your alliance insult people on these forums. It does your reputation a world of good. Kind regards Mattduk ROFL, did u really just post something from august? And are my eyes decieving me? does that really say Curse Coalition? CC? lol, where is CC now? o thats right we own'd them.
Boosthungry Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 19:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories. IAC History 101: clicky Sorry, I couldn't resist it :) Especially, after the responses IAC gave UARM when we announced going merc... 'we've fought them for months and months and blah, and blah and useless, blah, and rhubarb... crap, useless... good for nothing.... I need a teet....' A good fleet commander would have sent a scout ahead and been made aware of the three bubbles on the gate and the 18 battleships at snipe range. But hey, you go ahead and make sweeping generalizations, and have major representatives of your alliance insult people on these forums. It does your reputation a world of good. Kind regards Mattduk ROFL, did u really just post something from august? And are my eyes decieving me? does that really say Curse Coalition? CC? lol, where is CC now? o thats right we own'd them.
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:09:00 - [56] Privateers are the underdogs its like 750 vs 15,000-20,000+ depending on the day of the week.
Opium	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:40:00 - [57] bob has kicked us all. just because they woke up and every dog theyve kicked has gotten together to bite back doesnt make them even in our class. and to be honest myself and probably 50 perc or more of the coalition are just trying to get back home. to places bob kicked us out of.to me they are still the invaders even tho we fly in there so called space nowadays.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Opium bob has kicked us all. just because they woke up and every dog theyve kicked has gotten together to bite back doesnt make them even in our class. and to be honest myself and probably 50 perc or more of the coalition are just trying to get back home. to places bob kicked us out of.to me they are still the invaders even tho we fly in there so called space nowadays. POST WITH YOUR MAIN OR STFU
Camilo Cienfuegos Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:54:00 - [59] Quote: On a side note.. CCP wants to kill the blob but now gang bonus's are only in effect if you turn your small gang into a large fleet.. well done retards. The new fleet system has nothing to do with numbers. You can have a gang of two with full bonuses, so long as you do convert it to a fleet. As for who is the underdog? I'd say neither side of this particularly has the upper hand - but if I had to pick one, it would be the LV-BOB Alliance. The Coalition is a bandwagon that as yet shows no signs of losing momentum - nor members.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.03.04 10:10:00 - [60] Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Boosthungry Originally by: Econyphic Coalition = 6000 members strong. But lower sp pilots and not totally cohesive. BOB + Pets = @ 2000 (?). Higher sp players but cant match huge #'s. Please feel free to add strengths and weaknesses as you see fit. Where are you getting your intel? As far as I can rememeber IAC has some of the most respected FC's in EvE. The kind that can earn the respect of the entire MC fleet forcing them to call it a night. IAC is the kind of alliance that can stand up to the biggest and badest of them all that come trying to knock down our door, so before you go and attempt to underestimate the skill level of the coalition, take a look back through these forums and read up on their histories. IAC History 101: clicky Sorry, I couldn't resist it :) Especially, after the responses IAC gave UARM when we announced going merc... 'we've fought them for months and months and blah, and blah and useless, blah, and rhubarb... crap, useless... good for nothing.... I need a teet....' A good fleet commander would have sent a scout ahead and been made aware of the three bubbles on the gate and the 18 battleships at snipe range. But hey, you go ahead and make sweeping generalizations, and have major representatives of your alliance insult people on these forums. It does your reputation a world of good. Kind regards Mattduk ROFL, did u really just post something from august? And are my eyes decieving me? does that really say Curse Coalition? CC? lol, where is CC now? o thats right we own'd them. yeah, August. Well done! It's called 'H I S T O R Y' Curse Coalition has dissolved yes. Not my decision, but UARM went with it. TYC wanted to disolve it and we both then joined -V-, which I might add was most likely the worst decision both TYC and UARM could ever have made since that ship was pretty much sunk when we joined it. I wouldn't say that IAC was the biggest threat to CC at the time, it was the internal cancer in the form of OGBP and ASS (Original Black Plague and Armored Assassins) who went on to form Blood of the Innocents (alliance). They were the real reason for CC disbanding, in my eyes. The day after the attempted (and somewhat successful) coup, CC shrunk to much less than half it's size as we lost OGBP, ASS, and Blackguard Brigade, leaving just TYC, UARM and Alpha Praetorians remaining. Alpha Praetorians disbanded and some of the pilots merged with TYC, leaving just TYC and UARM, who then joined -V- alliance. Oh how we chuckled on TS when we heard that IAC had to employ assistance from another alliance (I think it was Huzzah) to take down a small Caldari Control Tower in Hemin, because their first attempt ended up in that killboard link I posted. Although I can't take credit. TYC fleet commanders were responsible for that little bit of pwnage. Today though? I would say IAC are a much stronger alliance, and I hope they would have learned from that mistake against a much smaller, and internally bleeding alliance such as CC was at the time. (It was about a week before the coup) Kind regards Mattduk

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