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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:09:00 -
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Every way I did play EVE has been nerfed to the point that I can no longer play that way.
- Mining in 0.0, no longer an option.
Even if there were no uber NPC rats, there is no
feasible way to haul ore due to new insane
changes to warping/jumping/AB.
- Hunting rats in 0.0
Totally screwed.
- Trading.
Totally screwed also (due to warp/jump/AB/MWD supernerf)
- Manufacture bships and other items.
No longer an option due to not being able to mine (bistot/crokite).
So, what can I do?
As far as I see it, there is only 2 options now for me. (well, obviously 3, the 3rd being cancelling accounts)
1. Stripmine Highsec-space
2. Become a pirate
Well, I'll have to chew on it a bit.
I wonder why CCP decided to say "F U" to solo players with this patch..
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:17:00 -
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How about mining or hunting rats in 0.4 - 0.1 areas? You can find some good ore there too, and up to 45k pirates (that's the highest I've seen in a 0.4 today so far)
Don't paint the image that black and white, you got a lot of options in between. Work your way up.
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:19:00 -
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how about grab 5 mates and chain spawn. im doing it now its easy making shed load of cash.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:23:00 -
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how about grab 5 mates and chain spawn. im doing it now its easy making shed load of cash.
Well, only have 1 mate in a cruiser, so that will obviously not work.
Yes, we could join a bigger corp.
But we prefer solo playing, and CCP have basically screwed that totally.
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:25:00 -
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The point of this game is interaction, pick a part of the chain in mining and make contracts with the other parts and you two will be just fine, the era of doing it all yourself has come to an end, or it's busy flying agent missions...
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:27:00 -
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What's wrong with joining a larger corp?
Are you anti-social or something?
French? And don't bathe alot? 
What!?!?!
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Raucus
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:31:00 -
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What's wrong with joining a larger corp?
Are you anti-social or something?
French? And don't bathe alot?
What!?!?!
lol.....
Getting a contract from a bigger corp is a good option, som eof the corps will pay you to work for them. Youcan earn money without joining them.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:39:00 -
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how about grab 5 mates and chain spawn. im doing it now its easy making shed load of cash.
Well, only have 1 mate in a cruiser, so that will obviously not work.
Yes, we could join a bigger corp.
But we prefer solo playing, and CCP have basically screwed that totally.
You could always merge with a larger corp. Mining Unlimited is always looking for struggling corps to acquire.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:43:00 -
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I'll tell you what's wrong with joining a bigger corp:
Some folks don't take well to bosses whose teeth they cannot kick in.
Nothing anti-social about that attitude which is in large part due to a lack of social control mechanisms that requires a lot of trust which you cannot easily build without face-to-face interaction.
JP Beauregard
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 17/12/2003 20:44:47
4. Cry.
5. Adapt to changes; realize it isn't all that different.
hey sutty can i come chain withy uo
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:48:00 -
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how about grab 5 mates and chain spawn. im doing it now its easy making shed load of cash.
cash will mean nothing if there is no mega and other minerals for bulding stuff and if you cant do mining ops in genral...
did anyone think of the small-mid sized corps? i just want to know what those people will be doing...
btw still waiting for a corp to come and show how to mine in 0.0 area without losing ships and brining in bist and other ore etc... for few hours
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 17/12/2003 20:44:47
4. Cry.
5. Adapt to changes; realize it isn't all that different.
Yes, that's the point, isn't it?
I need to adapt, but adapting in this case means doing something completely different than I was doing before the patch (included swooshing past your band in FD with cargo full of mega/zyd)
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 17/12/2003 20:44:47
4. Cry.
5. Adapt to changes; realize it isn't all that different.
hey sutty can i come chain withy uo
The problem with that logic is that leaving is adapting but if too many people adapt like that you won't be able to adapt to that.
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2003.12.17 21:02:00 -
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the traveling hasnt been nerfed at all, u just beed to adjust your setup. Mining in 0.0 space is still there, but u just have to scout the belts more to a find big enough one so the pirates dont bother u, or find hidden roids to mine :).
Hunting rats...goto a higher system to do that, one man and his BS aint gonna fight a whole corp and survive.
Trading is more alive now than it was b4 the patch..atleast now u can do some trade runs without having to wait for DT to put in those buy orders.
Manufacturing....well cause of the hard to get bistot/ark prices will go up, so increase your prices to the correct lvl.
U can also do some agent missions  . I hear they are giving out some good stuff ( 23 skill packs of spaceship command, 7300 tobacco  )
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2003.12.17 21:04:00 -
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on the subject of small to mid sized corps.
Yes you cannot compete with the Megacorps? And why do you think you should?
Megacorps have 100X your resources in players, ships, skills, etc.
Now i'm not bashing small sized corps or mid sized. They're a part of the game. But honestly should you expect 10 people to be able to compete with 1000? That kind of thinking doesn't make sense.
and on tech 2 it's just as likely that a mid or small corp will get tech 2 as a large corp, all you need is an agent and the skills. Not 100000000000 ISK and a region crushing battlefleet
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.12.17 21:22:00 -
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If your expecting everyone to have 5 partners with battleships, willing to chain at the same time you want to, day in and out. Your insane.
You might have 5 buddies that play around the same time you do.. You might have 5 buddies that are just as hardcore as you, willing to stay up all night playing this game.. But get real. That scenario is not as wide spread as you may think it is.
You guys sound like trollers talking like it's ok to make a game where your screwed if you don't sign up five of your friends. Hey man.. I'm all for the edges of deep space being off limits to soloers. Where 5 battleship gangs our required to survive. But come on.. Some of us live in deep space. We shouldn't have to fly all the way back to empire space whenever our buddies log off.
The belts near stations out in deep space could be toned down a bit.
BTW: I would love to see a video of any you guys running a corp mining op in deep space.. That would be comedy.
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Finderne
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Posted - 2003.12.17 21:45:00 -
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Ppl should lighten up a bit on the drama over the new NPC's killing low sec mining and hunting forever and ever. GM's have said in several places that the spawns were overly agressive, and should be toned down. Give it a couple days...
The rest of the poster's complaints seem to amount to problems with hauling. The ever-popular bestower is probably hindered some in this patch, but I think Mammoth, Badger II, and of course MK V will be more efficient haulers now after the patch than before.
Pre-castor Eve had very little MMO mechanics in it, because solo players or at a very small corps could do almost everything well. I'm delighted to see research, refining, mining, and all those other niches finally become somewhat like main-char professions rather than something you'd spend an alt slot and a couple days training time on.
Propan's last bemoaned 'way I played Eve' proves this point. A small corp or solo player should be able to mine ore, refine, and build battleships for sales in a way that's competitive vs big corps?!? I remember when Oberon was a big corporation and wanted to specialize in drones. Specialization in Eve is hugely overdue, and that will be the niche for small corps. Even the biggest corps will probably not be able to do everything well, and that's the way everyone hoped Eve would be way back when. Well, it's a bit overdue, but hopefully specialization is really here.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.12.17 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 17/12/2003 20:44:47
4. Cry.
5. Adapt to changes; realize it isn't all that different.
hey sutty can i come chain withy uo
Hey Potti nice sig lol
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:32:00 -
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I think that MMOs in general have a sizable population that plays solo or maybe with 1 - 2 other friends.
Forcing them to trust in and join a larger corp is probably not a good strategy as far as subscriptions is concerned.
Because lord knows if the original poster joins a mega corp then gets his ship destroyed in an op or on purpose by his new corp mates he will have no recourse.
So you ask him to trust in an environment where trust is punished. That's illogical to the extreme.
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:48:00 -
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I fully agree.
Summary:
- Battleship insurance too expensive.
- Too many NPC pirates (not worth mining. The loses outnumber the gains. Result: everyone will be mining in 1.0 systems.)
- Ships are too slow (as if spending my whole day jumping wasn't enough).
- Battleships require too much energy for MWD, and the lock time is too long.
- Tremendous lag.
Why would I go get my battleships blown up trying to mine some bistot to build stuff when I'll just get destroyed? The insurance is too expensive to keep up with the costs of mining bistot when you keep dying constantly to huge spawns of pirates.
Our corp lost 5 battleships last night due to the triple spawns of pirates. You either saw 5 x 1 mill scorpion npc pirates of 20 x kestrels. As soon as you kill those more would spawn on top of you. You cannot mine anymore. Today I got away, luckily, with my dominix after warping to belt. The 20 pirates lagged my game for 10 seconds (no movement). When it finally moved, I was locked by tons of pirates, missles were coming from everywhere, I had no shields left, and it was going to take me 20 seconds to lock a single pirate because some numb nut decided to make battleships worse.
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:50:00 -
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BTW: I would love to see a video of any you guys running a corp mining op in deep space.. That would be comedy.
Not going to happen. Why even bother when you'll just die.
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Phoibos
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Posted - 2003.12.17 22:50:00 -
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Guys there are lots and lots of things to do out there for solo members that have small ships. You just have to think a little. Perhaps hunting npc pirates in empire? Or perhaps mining basic minerals in semi dangerous areas and buy the mega? Or perhaps pay people for pretection. Or perhaps specialize in say refining and sell your services, or perhaps scout Eve in a frig and sell this information to big corps, where to find good ore and pirates. Or perhaps realize that hauling with 15k cargo will take quite some time, just like it should have all the time.
/Phoibos
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babyblue
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Posted - 2003.12.17 23:15:00 -
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I've got to laugh at all this. Your corp lost 5... FIVE ... battleships? Did you all just jump in with no scouting at all? We were told waaaay long time ago that BS NPCs were coming. You should have been more careful!
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Gandy
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Posted - 2003.12.17 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gandy on 17/12/2003 23:32:51
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How about mining or hunting rats in 0.4 - 0.1 areas? You can find some good ore there too, and up to 45k pirates (that's the highest I've seen in a 0.4 today so far)
Don't paint the image that black and white, you got a lot of options in between. Work your way up.
I did work my way up took along time to get me BS and mine in.0 systems now ur saying all us small corps or solo players have to start again???
All I see in this post is go back to the crap stuff u were doing before forget all the work u've done getting ur self so u can go into .0 space and make some real isk, I've played this game fow a while never had a whine before, but this for me takes the micky, would not have minded so much it the change had come in a small way but now it's like playing a whole new game again :S:S
I can see me saving meself the monthly fee soon :(
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