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Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Anna Grahm Originally by: Crumplecorn Piracy = Noob killing, gatecamping and smack? And here was me thinking it involved actual piracy. Don't delude yourself into thinking that piracy exists in Eve Online. Funny, I thought I saw a video recently about a pirate corp turning mercenary. Must have been noob-gankers who are now being paid to PvP I suppose. Probably. Sometimes even street thugs decide to take it up a notch and organise their efforts. It's sad really.
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:26:00 - [32] this thread is surely going to end up locked. if you want to fly in low sec, make friends. if you want to fly in 0.0, make friends and then make enemies. :) there are plenty of things to do in empire. if you can't defend yourself or write off your loss, you really shouldnt be flying outside of concord.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Anna Grahm Originally by: Crumplecorn Piracy = Noob killing, gatecamping and smack? And here was me thinking it involved actual piracy. Don't delude yourself into thinking that piracy exists in Eve Online. Funny, I thought I saw a video recently about a pirate corp turning mercenary. Must have been noob-gankers who are now being paid to PvP I suppose. Probably. Sometimes even street thugs decide to take it up a notch and organise their efforts. It's sad really. Oh yeah, and all my old friends from my last corp, they all turned pirate, and will also soon be going mercenary, and I know they don't go aroung ganking noobs, so how about everyone who makes such poors attempts to insult a group of gamers they don't happen to like STFU's. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Anna Grahm Originally by: Crumplecorn Piracy = Noob killing, gatecamping and smack? And here was me thinking it involved actual piracy. Don't delude yourself into thinking that piracy exists in Eve Online. Funny, I thought I saw a video recently about a pirate corp turning mercenary. Must have been noob-gankers who are now being paid to PvP I suppose. Probably. Sometimes even street thugs decide to take it up a notch and organise their efforts. It's sad really. Oh yeah, and all my old friends from my last corp, they all turned pirate, and will also soon be going mercenary, and I know they don't go aroung ganking noobs, so how about everyone who makes such poors attempts to insult a group of gamers they don't happen to like STFU's. I was agreeing with you.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Anna Grahm Originally by: Crumplecorn Piracy = Noob killing, gatecamping and smack? And here was me thinking it involved actual piracy. Don't delude yourself into thinking that piracy exists in Eve Online. Funny, I thought I saw a video recently about a pirate corp turning mercenary. Must have been noob-gankers who are now being paid to PvP I suppose. Probably. Sometimes even street thugs decide to take it up a notch and organise their efforts. It's sad really. Oh yeah, and all my old friends from my last corp, they all turned pirate, and will also soon be going mercenary, and I know they don't go aroung ganking noobs, so how about everyone who makes such poors attempts to insult a group of gamers they don't happen to like STFU's. I was agreeing with you. WTF? Now you've lost me. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Ikvar The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:54:00 - [36] One time I blew up Crumplecorn's Brutix in Vecemia and them podded him. I demand to be punished for this horrible act! SPANK ME INGOLS, SPANK ME WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT! Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Lunarra Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:55:00 - [37] I'm not a pirate and i have "nothing" against pirates has i know its certainly not that easy and unpenalised. BUT it would maybe things more interresting if the bounty given/bounty hunters could be a bit more indepth. Like bounty hunters could get real contracts and stuff.
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:56:00 - [38] and how does the OP suggest to distinguish between a "pirate" killing someone and a "pvper" defending their space? and most of all, why do people see anyone who kills another person as a pirate? probably most 0.0 alliances use NBSI nowadays (not blue shoot it). you fart around in "their space", get pewpewd. you want to get into their space and survive? team up or get standings. 0.0 is explicitly declared lawless space. sure as hell no penalty there. low-sec has sec hits. people that hunt there want their sec go down to be blinky, scary piwates. and yea it takes a white to grind your sec back up to be able to enter high sec again --
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Ingols Low sec or 0.0 I don't think that players should be able to randomly gank and pod another player without some type of permanent penalty. Pirates that destroy other pilots without having war decs should suffer permanent security loss, plus status loss to the corporation of the pilots they pirate -- unrecoverable if an NPC corp. Pirate corporations should suffer permanent security and faction loss do to the piracy of it's members. Well, since its low sec or 0.0 how about you get off your butt, start setting them negative and blow the **** out of them when they enter your area? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Ikvar One time I blew up Crumplecorn's Brutix in Vecemia and them podded him. I demand to be punished for this horrible act! SPANK ME INGOLS, SPANK ME WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT! Ya, that was my first brutix you griefer you. I thought I'd set the safe mode on the autopilot, but I didn't, and there was one (1) low-sec system on the whole 30-or-so jump trip! I can't believe you remember that. I didn't really mind losing the ship, I was a little upset at missing the opportunity to kamikaze a MegaT though. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:37:00 - [41] Edited by: Xtro 2 on 03/03/2007 01:35:57 @OP, Take your main char, and turn him pirate, then when your sec is bad enough (wont take long) you can answer your own question/query better. The above suggestion shouldnt be a problem for you as youve already stated piracy has no major drawbacks. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Ikvar One time I blew up Crumplecorn's Brutix in Vecemia and them podded him. I demand to be punished for this horrible act! SPANK ME INGOLS, SPANK ME WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT! somehow i can picture you sat atop a rodeo bull as you scream that, and it just makes it all the funnier. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
TorquePSA Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:03:00 - [43] Pirates? No, you have it all wrong. Those who you think of as pirates are actually highly motivated and dedicated market catalysts. In order to help all the carebears with selling their produced ships and mods they, very thoughtfully, go out and help to spur on the economy buy helping to raise the demand side of the supply/demand curve. It is noble of them to give up their PvE and hauling time and devote their careers to helping newbies sell their goods. Everyone's gotta make a buck and the so called pirates are here to help.
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Arian Snow The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:28:00 - [45] Edited by: Arian Snow on 03/03/2007 03:24:50 Originally by: Ingols Low sec or 0.0 I don't think that players should be able to randomly gank and pod another player without some type of permanent penalty. Pirates that destroy other pilots without having war decs should suffer permanent security loss, plus status loss to the corporation of the pilots they pirate -- unrecoverable if an NPC corp. Pirate corporations should suffer permanent security and faction loss do to the piracy of it's members. Shooo ... back to empire with you .... shoo shooo you carebear whiner... I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:48:00 - [46] Originally by: TorquePSA Pirates? No, you have it all wrong. Those who you think of as pirates are actually highly motivated and dedicated market catalysts. In order to help all the carebears with selling their produced ships and mods they, very thoughtfully, go out and help to spur on the economy buy helping to raise the demand side of the supply/demand curve. It is noble of them to give up their PvE and hauling time and devote their careers to helping newbies sell their goods. Everyone's gotta make a buck and the so called pirates are here to help. And don't forget that most of us need an alt cause our noble lives of stimulating the market leaves us a bunch of broke-asses watches 2 moths fly out of wallet I have the YARRR button!
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 04:10:00 - [47] When you talk Piracy, I think LowSec. When I think LowSec, I think sh*t rewards, and small gang stuff, possibly solo stuff. They get penalized, some, by sec status fall. They get penalized by high ship costs (which have gotten ridiculously expensive over the course of just one year, according to the old timers) When you talk 0.0, most gankage is done by Alliance pvpers, they are penalized also. How? They HAVE to group up and build something up in order to be effective, their time and efforts, and crappy markets, and constant threat of random gankage coming down the pipe is penalty enough. Having to spend hours fueling POS, hell thats pure torture if you ask me. Amazed you didnt say anything about the fotm Empire gankage/Wardecs.
Splitter Macdung Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 04:25:00 - [48] Edited by: Splitter Macdung on 03/03/2007 04:25:21 The penalty for piracy? Threads like this. oh, oh, cant forget the bait and switch of "I'll get my my whole corp after you!" We wait and wait and wait for your corp to show up, and it never happens. Thats a very cruel thing to do to us, dashin' our hopes like that. __________________________________ Vale Heavy Industries "We produce many fine products!(Out of yours if neccessary.)"
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.03.03 04:29:00 - [49] The Rock says "Take your idea, polish it up real nice, turn it sideways and shove it straight up your candy ass!" _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Ingols	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:08:00 - [50] No, you have it all wrong. I'm not talking about concord helping at all. Heck, do away with concord for all I care. But you really can't in empire else you'll have gangs of alts in frigates and gunner 5 and small gun of their choice swarming everybody. I'm talking about ... destroy another players ship and your not war dec'ed with them .... Security hit and faction hit to that corp -- and then derived faction hits to NPC friendly corps ... based on the target standing. Now, perhaps you can gain faction back to the NPC corp via missions, but make it extreemly difficult to gain security standings back. Then, lets have some penalites for poor faction and poor security, like market prices grow alot higher, station services eventually get cut off, refine rates and agent fees go up. Yea, you want to live the life of a -10 pirate go ahead, but ordinary NPC corps might not like you and chase you out of their stations or refuse docking privs. Force Player Pirates to align themselves with NPC pirate corps ... if they want station facitilies. Furthermore, have the corp of the player pirates take global faction hits also. And no, this is not a pure PvP game. I've played pure PvP games ... they don't last very long, or the server numbers drop drasticaly over time and never recover. CCP has to think of their bottom line here and the RL $ they make isn't off of pure PvP players.
Detrol Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:26:00 - [51] Edited by: Detrol on 03/03/2007 11:24:48 This is a 90 percent PvP game, in every sense: * player shoots ship of other player: pvp * player buys stuff from other player: pvp (one wants low price, other wants high price) * player shoots belt rats for money, other player can't shoot them at that time and has to wait: pvp * player trades stuff on the market, undercuts prices of other players: pvp * player bids on auction, battles with other players for item: pvp * player mines in a belt, others can't mine the rocks he mined dry: pvp * player only buys and sells from npc corps for trading: items disappear from market, others can't do the same: pvp * player finds exploration sites, wants to find them before others take all the goodies: pvp ... non-pvp: * player does missions for standing and nice agent offers: solo game why should 1 part of pvp be punished but not the others? It seems there is one activity in this game that doesn't really belong here as it's one of the few none pvp aspects. Maybe CCP could nerf that one?
Detrol Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:32:00 - [52] On the other hand, piracy, be it in low-sec or 0.0, heck even war-decs in empire, keep the economy up and running. Industrialists wouldn't have the opportunity to produce and sell their stuff if nobody would loose any ships. They buy a ship 1 time, have it a life time. They buy a cloak one time, have it a lifetime.... Maybe CCP could remove insurance payouts to pirates loosing ships, but then they should implement a 'commission' to pirates when their victim buys a new ship from an industrialist. At least, that industrialist should be thankfull to the pirate as he brought him a new client.
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Detrol Maybe CCP could remove insurance payouts to pirates loosing ships, but then they should implement a 'commission' to pirates when their victim buys a new ship from an industrialist. At least, that industrialist should be thankfull to the pirate as he brought him a new client. That gives me a fantastic idea... the pirate industrialist! Blow up others ships, and then convo them right after advertising your services on discount ship replacements! Okay, I know, bad anti-pirate, stop encouraging the evil people. It's so hard though when so many idiots can't be bothered to even try and defend themselves and want CCP to nerf everything for them
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:34:00 - [54] oh gawd - Gob
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:34:00 - [55] oh gawd - Gob
Kelsenn Amarr Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:08:00 - [56] The punishment is fine how it is, have you ever tried to buy a ship in low sec without an alliance? You better hope all those miners you attack are sporting some damned spiffy loot. And raising SS isn't a walk in the park either, what with having to dodge other pirates or the local alliances because you have to sit still for longer than a minute. Pirates make this game what it is, without them, you may as well go play with yourself, no threat is boring. I'm a pirate btw, so I'm just a tad biased.
Tara Smith	Posted - 2007.03.03 13:31:00 - [57] Believe me the punishment is fine, it has taken me about a year to get back to positive standings from -9.9. Tbh i wouldn't do it again, also i live in 0.0 so free sec killing :P
Edania Caldari Ordo Adeptus Astartes	Posted - 2007.03.03 14:46:00 - [58] as someone who goes thru phases and has pretty much done a little of everything ive got to say here. 1) dont get yourself killed, its not funny and its not clever. 2) piracy is good people buy replacement ships off me, if no one pirated where would all our ship construction industries be, i dunno about the rest of you but i havent lost a ship to NPC's in months and then what do we have a fubar'd economy. 3) against all popular opinion Bob is good, people whom they kill in there quest to win eve buy things off me. 4) smile and congratulate the person who killed you when you were an idiot it costs nothing, then go buy a replacement ship off me, you never know i may buy one from you when i reveal myself to be an idiot or when im drunk, but write there name in your little book. 5) even when people dont buy things off me mineral prices rise in reflection of war 6) finally grow a spine or get some friends and go hunt the bastard down! it aint that difficult and if there realy jerks it will hurt them all the more. this party political broadcast by the greed and violence party was bought to you by someone who wasted too much time reading your post Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2007.03.03 18:09:00 - [59] "I think of this war as it really is, not as the people at home imagine, with a hoorah! and a roar. It is very serious, very grimà" Manfred von Richthofen "The pilot's objective when he sees the enemy is to attack and destroy him immediately.... all else is rubbish!' Manfred von Richthofen
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.03 18:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Haffrage PERMANENT? Haha, no. You ever try grinding sec from -5? From -10? If not, don't propose solutions to problems that aren't broken. He is right, it is too easy to mend security status. Try mending standing with an empire when it has gone to low. For a pirate it require some week at most, for the emprie standing it require months, and destroy the standing with other Empire factions.

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