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Ryo Jang
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 10:43:00 -
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Ive started doing level 4's in a 0.6 system. The mission rewards are nothing special, but im not complaining about them. The main problem I have is that all loot, if theres any, is crap. I mean basic T1 ****. Wheres the awesome money making material I used to hear about?
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Ghan Tylous
Caldari
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.03 10:51:00 -
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I wouldn't complain about not making decent money on lvl 4s. From the salvage you can make rigs. With bounties I can make 50mill, if I get some good missions with lots of BS rats in.
You could refine the loot, save up minerals and then buy a BS BPC and sell that BS.
You CAN make decent ISK on lvl 4s, so don't complain 
But you can always try your luck with exploration 
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Isis Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:05:00 -
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Those "I make eleventy billion iskies per mission while eating pizza and forum posting" posts you see are either Old (missions have been nerfed Hard many times), Overstated ("sure, I said I made 100mil that mission in 1 minute, but by one minute I really mean I spent 18 hours and lost 10 ships and was rewarded 5 isk for the trouble") or Maybe, just maybe, lies (gasp)
There Is serious money to be made out there, but it takes patience, training, more training, practice, training, and more practice. got those social skills up? get them up more.
Decide your approach, are you going to leave all those wrecks in space in favor of accepting another mission and grinding to a faction BS faster, or are you taking it easy, looting and salvaging in a dedicated ship? both have their ups and downs.
going to make the plunge to lowsec? the rewards Can be better by a marked degree, if you can handle the area, but spending your playtime in station every day cause of the scanner-humping pie's cuts into profit if it goes that way.
lotta options.
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Isis Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:06:00 -
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oh, and from what I have seen, lower security system your agent is in/mission is in = better loot. (along with better agent pay and rewards)
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The Fates
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.03.06 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: The Fates on 06/03/2007 05:49:44
It's gone, more or less. I used to loot every mission, now, the only things I loot are the drone missions, since I know that one pays 8 mil in minerals and the other about 10 mil in minerals, and sometimes I don't even loot those.
When the bounties get removed from a lot of the missions it'll be time to move on if something isn't done about loot, tbh. It will no longer be worth doing at all, imo. I hope they do the same to 0.0 rats.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 08:08:13
I think loot is now dependant on agent standing and has been reduced. I was getting absolutely crap until my standing reached 8.0 and now at 8.9 I'm starting to regularly see better stuff. It's still not as good as it was pre-Feb. patch but I nearly always get something worth a few hundred K.
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:26:00 -
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I wonder if this reduction in the value of missions is connected to the dev blog about the same subject.
I am not by nature a confontational person (which is why i am not bothered about PvP), but if this is what they are doing I wish they would just leave well alone. I am happy with being in empire running missions as it suits how much time I have to play EvE. Its why I have paid my money to play the game. So with this in mind, I have decided to start a 1 man protest by only using empire space.
I will move out of empire when I am good and ready and I am not prepared to be bullied by the big stick attitude of the devs into doing something I am just not interested in. ie PvP. I dont know why they see the need to remove anything interesting in game from empire to force everyone into confrontational low sec where some camping noobs can just make things miserable for the mission runners.
OK flame away all you want but I pay just as much money to play the game as everyone else and I am entitled to my opinion.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.06 09:26:00 -
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1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.06 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 10:02:26
Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 10:00:16
Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 09:53:22
Originally by: Mr Gimlet
I wonder if this reduction in the value of missions is connected to the dev blog about the same subject.
I am not by nature a confontational person (which is why i am not bothered about PvP), but if this is what they are doing I wish they would just leave well alone. I am happy with being in empire running missions as it suits how much time I have to play EvE. Its why I have paid my money to play the game. So with this in mind, I have decided to start a 1 man protest by only using empire space.
I don't think it's related. This whole idea of CCP wanting to push people out of Empire by 'nerfing' missions is wrong. CCP know very well why people stay in Empire and they certainly know what %ge of their monthly income comes from Empire.
Yes they are removing some L4s but not many and they are adding more in their place. It remains to be seen of course but I suspect there will be very little change in rewards and only a few missions removed. Overall I expect the L4 experience to be largely unchanged but with more variety.
What CCP are trying to do is encourage people out of hi-sec by dangling an even bigger carrot in front of them. Whether or not you think the carrot is worth it will depend on you and what the missions offer. If I thought I could earn 500mil a week (including losses) by running missions in 0.1 for my normal average of 2.5 hours a day I would do it. One thing I have learnt over the three years I have played Eve is that as you get richer you are prepared to spend more. If I was reliably earning 500mil a week I would think nothing of losing a T2 fitted Raven now and again. I could easily afford to keep a spare Raven (actually I already do) so what would I care?
As for the loot changes:I think it relates more to the changes to salvage recently. I think they might have reset the loot issuing logic and it is currently adjusting back to where the game engine thinks it should be. We have been told that mission rewards do the same thing so it's entirely possible that loot does.
From a personal perspective though:We need occasional 'spiffeh!' items in loot. It's what makes looting 'fun' (insofar as it is fun). It's the thrill of opening a wreck and finding that 'Mr. Beekle's Budgie Fondling Tracker' is actually worth several times the mission reward.
Just for reference on earning though:I am currently earning just under 10mil an hour. This is rewards/bonus for L3 missions along with selling loot/rigs/mins obtained through running the missions. This is a Qty18 agent in a 0.9 system but with my skills its effective Qty is 32.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
Laugh even harder at the suggestion looking your pirate faction standing.
I really dubt that more than 1% of the level 4 mission runners can work for a pirate faction.
BTW, just checked: I can use some level 1 gurista agent. Dubt they will pay much.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 10:02:26
Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 10:00:16
Edited by: Andrue on 06/03/2007 09:53:22
Originally by: Mr Gimlet
I wonder if this reduction in the value of missions is connected to the dev blog about the same subject.
I am not by nature a confontational person (which is why i am not bothered about PvP), but if this is what they are doing I wish they would just leave well alone. I am happy with being in empire running missions as it suits how much time I have to play EvE. Its why I have paid my money to play the game. So with this in mind, I have decided to start a 1 man protest by only using empire space.
I don't think it's related. This whole idea of CCP wanting to push people out of Empire by 'nerfing' missions is wrong. CCP know very well why people stay in Empire and they certainly know what %ge of their monthly income comes from Empire.
Yes they are removing some L4s but not many and they are adding more in their place. It remains to be seen of course but I suspect there will be very little change in rewards and only a few missions removed. Overall I expect the L4 experience to be largely unchanged but with more variety.
What CCP are trying to do is encourage people out of hi-sec by dangling an even bigger carrot in front of them. Whether or not you think the carrot is worth it will depend on you and what the missions offer. If I thought I could earn 500mil a week (including losses) by running missions in 0.1 for my normal average of 2.5 hours a day I would do it. One thing I have learnt over the three years I have played Eve is that as you get richer you are prepared to spend more. If I was reliably earning 500mil a week I would think nothing of losing a T2 fitted Raven now and again. I could easily afford to keep a spare Raven (actually I already do) so what would I care?
As for the loot changes:I think it relates more to the changes to salvage recently. I think they might have reset the loot issuing logic and it is currently adjusting back to where the game engine thinks it should be. We have been told that mission rewards do the same thing so it's entirely possible that loot does.
From a personal perspective though:We need occasional 'spiffeh!' items in loot. It's what makes looting 'fun' (insofar as it is fun). It's the thrill of opening a wreck and finding that 'Mr. Beekle's Budgie Fondling Tracker' is actually worth several times the mission reward.
Just for reference on earning though:I am currently earning just under 10mil an hour. This is rewards/bonus for L3 missions along with selling loot/rigs/mins obtained through running the missions. This is a Qty18 agent in a 0.9 system but with my skills its effective Qty is 32.
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Roy Gordon
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:05:00 -
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I'm not so sure that the 'best loot is found in low sec/0.0 systems' is working properly at the moment. I run two good quality lvl 4 agents, one in a 0.7 sec system, the other in a 0.3 system. I also run good quality lvl 3 agents in the 0.7 system and in a 0.5 system. Whilst the isk and LP rewards are slightly higher in the lower sec systems, I have not noticed any difference in the quality of loot drops. In fact, last night I did a lvl 3 Massive Attack in a 0.3 system and a lvl 3 Massive Attack in a 0.7 system. The LP rewards were almost identical as were the rewards/bonus. The agent in the 0.5 system had a better standing rating than the one in the 0.7 system, and they are both the same quality. I actually found better loot in the 0.7 system than I did in the 0.3 system!!!
I've been picking up weapons in loot drops on the lvl 4 missions in the 0.7 system which are selling from between 1 and 3 million isk lately as well.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
Laugh even harder at the suggestion looking your pirate faction standing.
I really dubt that more than 1% of the level 4 mission runners can work for a pirate faction.
BTW, just checked: I can use some level 1 gurista agent. Dubt they will pay much.
Fewer than 1% of mission runners run missions for Gallente, Amarr, Caldari and Minmatar all in 1 character.
This means that there will be a pirate faction they can speak to. It also means that they need to spend a day or two building up standings for a lvl3 agent, which in a drake, is no problem.
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The Laundress
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
This means that there will be a pirate faction they can speak to. It also means that they need to spend a day or two building up standings for a lvl3 agent, which in a drake, is no problem.
OK, I've been thinking of doing this for a while; just how badly does it damage your standings with the Empire factions / CONCORD?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:43:00 -
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With the addition of salvaging the loot from missions has drastically increased in value. If you refuse to salvage then the value is nearly the same. I know everyone is whining nerf but in the hundreds of missions I've run I really havn't noticed much of a difference. The only real difference I've noticed is that the previously expensive items are no longer as expensive (local hull expanders in particular). Also the implants and other items you'd occasionally get as drops are worth half as much as they were... this gives the impressive that mission loot is dropping crappier stuff when it is actually the same stuff that is worth less.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.03.06 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 06/03/2007 19:31:42
Originally by: Roy Gordon
I'm not so sure that the 'best loot is found in low sec/0.0 systems' is working properly at the moment. I run two good quality lvl 4 agents, one in a 0.7 sec system, the other in a 0.3 system. I also run good quality lvl 3 agents in the 0.7 system and in a 0.5 system. Whilst the isk and LP rewards are slightly higher in the lower sec systems, I have not noticed any difference in the quality of loot drops.
Afaict, the loot from deadspace rats is the same regardless of security level. The difference lies in completion and time rewards and LPs.
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In fact, last night I did a lvl 3 Massive Attack in a 0.3 system and a lvl 3 Massive Attack in a 0.7 system. The LP rewards were almost identical as were the rewards/bonus. The agent in the 0.5 system had a better standing rating than the one in the 0.7 system, and they are both the same quality.
Now *that* is odd. Were the agents in different corps and/or different divisions?
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Epoch
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Posted - 2007.03.06 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Epoch on 06/03/2007 23:46:35
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
I been doing this lately. its a blast. i really havent had any problems. ****, the only real hassle is getting out there. throw some wcs on, couple nanos, pack your **** and hit the road. #2 is important. if you get stuck out there you want a way to gtfo. and #7 be cool with the locals.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Epoch
Edited by: Epoch on 06/03/2007 23:46:35
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
I been doing this lately. its a blast. i really havent had any problems. ****, the only real hassle is getting out there. throw some wcs on, couple nanos, pack your **** and hit the road. #2 is important. if you get stuck out there you want a way to gtfo. and #7 be cool with the locals.
Yep - Its also handy to bring a tractor beam and a missile bpo, so you can refine loot and make your own ammo 
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Fewer than 1% of mission runners run missions for Gallente, Amarr, Caldari and Minmatar all in 1 character.
This means that there will be a pirate faction they can speak to. It also means that they need to spend a day or two building up standings for a lvl3 agent, which in a drake, is no problem.
I didn't meant it as an offense, but it is not running the missions, it is killing the ships that is destroing my standing.
I run Gallente/Minmatar missions only, but I get pirate enemyes from all the Empire, some more rarely, but no pirate faction is excluded.
So currently only gurista andr blood raiders have a faction standing above -2. But then the blood raider Corp is under -2.
I don't think to be such oddity.
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Deez Nuttzy
Caldari
Dark Order Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Epoch
Edited by: Epoch on 06/03/2007 23:46:35
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
I been doing this lately. its a blast. i really havent had any problems. ****, the only real hassle is getting out there. throw some wcs on, couple nanos, pack your **** and hit the road. #2 is important. if you get stuck out there you want a way to gtfo. and #7 be cool with the locals.
Yep - Its also handy to bring a tractor beam and a missile bpo, so you can refine loot and make your own ammo
can i come to bob land and do them with out you guys podding me the first time we see each other. honestly i am a carebear at heart and mean no harm.
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Dolly Parton
Amarr
5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Deez Nuttzy
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Epoch
Edited by: Epoch on 06/03/2007 23:46:35
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. Sell off lvl4 ship
2. Get a Jumpclone
3. Buy a throwaway drake with 7 launchers, 3 large shield extenders and a couple of t1 invurns. Also get 2 shield power relays and fit rest to suit.
4. Get a travel fitting and charge into 0.0 and look for a lvl3 pirate agent
5. Laugh as you make more lp/hour doing lvl3's in 0.0 than doing lvl4's in highsec
6. Laugh again as you get elite pirate offers which mean your lp is worth far far more than high sec lp.
I been doing this lately. its a blast. i really havent had any problems. ****, the only real hassle is getting out there. throw some wcs on, couple nanos, pack your **** and hit the road. #2 is important. if you get stuck out there you want a way to gtfo. and #7 be cool with the locals.
Yep - Its also handy to bring a tractor beam and a missile bpo, so you can refine loot and make your own ammo
can i come to bob land and do them with out you guys podding me the first time we see each other. honestly i am a carebear at heart and mean no harm.
stupiid drop down box, this is me
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