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Speared
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Posted - 2016.06.28 20:47:02 -
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So I'm wasting my Hours for PLEX on this as my subscriptions are cancelled.
Being an NRDS solo pvp whiner I jump into a 0.0 system full of neuts. In order to check for hostiles without the In-Game Browser functionality I would have to:
- Copy local to clipboard
- Alt+Tab to the external browser
- Paste the results into KOS checker
- Find out that only one of the characters was checked
- Alt+Tab back to game
- Copy one name
- Alt+Tab back to the browser
- Type/Paste the name
- Check which entity is KOS (character, corp, or alliance)
- Copy the name of the entity
- Alt+Tab back to game
- Paste the entity name in some input field
- Link the entity so I can set standings
- Click on the created link in order to set the standing
- Copy another neut's name into clipboard
- Alt+Tab back to the KOS checker
- Paste the pilot name into the KOS checker
- Check if the pilot is KOS and which entity exactly
- and so it goes for each neutral character in the system...
- ...
The current IGB offers the following:
- Copy local
- Paste into KOS checker without having to Alt+Tab
- Click on each red entity to call the show info window
- Set standings on the fly
- Hunt them down
So to sum it up:
In-Game Browser functionality in game = NRDS PVP FUN.
versus
No In-Game Broswer functionality in game = lots of Alt+Tabbing in order to identify who the enemy is and their numbers. Should there be no enemies the whole thing would have to be repeated for every system you jump into meaning lots of administrative Alt+Tab BULL in NRDS while being Safed-up or Ship Spinning in station instead of the pvp.
NO THANK YOU CCP. SUBSCRIPTIONS CANCELLED. |
Speared
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Posted - 2016.07.04 02:42:26 -
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Alright, so I'm back. No other game like EVE right now.
I've just ran 2 clients in a fixed window mode. My video card went crazy hot. I'm glad I didn't add any kind of overlay to it.
So I switched back to full screen on both acocunts. It would leave me with Alt-Tabbing to an external browser in October if I planned to use some API features the In-Game Browser provides access to, correct?
Or running just one account with some overlays hoping it wouldn't have too great of an impact on my graphics card.
I also really hate that additional amount of clicking I have to do in order to open a link in the In-Game Browser. Please make a switch to turn that pop-up off and allow opening the links in New Tab as we used to be able to, for as long as the In-Game Browser isn't removed.
Those additional clicks I have to do also have a noticeable impact on the quality of pvp. If I had to Alt-Tab to an external browser or any other 3rd party program, I think I'd quit EVE again. You don't get that in any other pvp game.
I know it won't concern the vast majority of EVE players who are either carebears or lemmings, but it might hit solo pvpers hard. Especially those flying under the Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) policy were we have to run KOS checks for every neutral jumping into the system and as we jump to different systems filled with neutral characters.
I know you're probably busy responding to and working on all the issues that your new update caused, however, please let us know what is your stance on the In-Game Browser removal and possible solutions in the light of all the feedback.
Is there a chance at least for the API related stuff to remain In-Game or not?
It would be great to still be able to access CVA's KOS list from within the game and set standings on the fly without having to Alt+Tab or use any 3rd party software.
It would also be nice if fleet composition intel copied from the Directional Scanner could be shared In-Game as it's now by means of the In-Game Browser. |
Speared
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Posted - 2016.07.07 17:30:54 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I've been on the sidelines for this, but you can be very sure that this choice was a huge decision made after lots of discussion and follow-up prep work over multiple years among members of a number of teams as well as Eve Development leadership. The team is still working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog.
It was "a huge decission made after lots of discussion" to make the plyers Alt-Tab and favor those who can use another monitor or secondary device such as a smartphone or tablet?
Your "follow-up prep work over multiple years" resulted only in CREST meant for 3rd party unsupported apps?
"Working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog" which to me is removing the browser from the client seems like a lot of work indeed.
Are you kidding me CCP? |
Speared
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Posted - 2016.07.07 21:48:38 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Speared wrote:
"Working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog" which to me is removing the browser from the client seems like a lot of work indeed.
While I wasn't part of the discussion, and haven't seen the code, I _highly_ suspect the schedule is more giving people a chance to adjust, than to give CCP time to make the change. Edit: The internal discussion, that is. The plan to remove the IGB has been well known in the Third party development community, for a few years now. It's been held off on, as some functions for sites weren't available. They are now. I've yet to meet a third party dev who isn't happy they won't need to support the IGB for much longer. Total PITA to work with.
If what you're saying is true then 3rd party devs care about as much about EVE players in this case as do CCP. I hope you're only speaking for yourself, though. |
Speared
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Posted - 2016.07.08 17:27:25 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Speared wrote:
If what you're saying is true then 3rd party devs care about as much about EVE players in this case as do CCP. I hope you're only speaking for yourself, though. Which bothers me as I always thought keeping as much functionality In-game should be everyone's goal.
Ahem. You know that 3rd party devs (in almost all situations) make no money from providing services, and instead are forking out what can be a reasonable sum each month? Which means they're paying for you to use their services. And you say they don't care about Eve players? We also tend to be reasonable people, who've been talking to CCP for a fair time about this. This isn't a spur of the moment decision on CCP's part. It's been in the offing for _years_. Would it be nice to keep having an in game browser? Yes. Is the current one suitable, nope. Would it take a bunch of resources CCP could better spend elsewhere? Yes. That's the cost/benefit argument.
I don't belive you're representing the whole 3rd party Dev group here.
If you take time to read my post carefully you'll notice that I did not write that 3rd party Devs don't care about EVE players. I wrote they did not care for EVE players who tend to use In-Game Browser assuming your statement was true. Which clearly isn't true as there are many tools that work with the IGB. Also not every tool requires the same amount of work as far as I know. So if you think that using your own resources to develop tools for the IGB is a waste then don't do it.
Moreover, if you think that CCPs resources should be spent on whatever it might be as you did not even care to specify those things, it's only your opinion. Such decissions can cost CCP subscription payers as players experience with the game gets worse.
If you followed this thread carefully you would have noticed that some of the players already pointed out that the removal of the IGB will cost CCP subscriptions as their in-game activities will be impacted heavily and system/equipment requirements will be harder to meet.
Besides what we're seeing now it's just calm before the storm, as most players who really care for the IGB won't notice what's on the plate until the In-Game Browser gets removed.
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Speared
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Posted - 2016.09.01 19:10:27 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Firnas wrote:CCP is in trouble. This sounds like company streamlining to reduce costs. Seen alongside the new free to play accounts, I worry for my EVE. Developers have been talking about getting rid of the IGB for _years_. They've just not been in a position to do so. (considering how little work has been put into the IGB for the last few years, this is hardly cost cutting)
Developers this, Developers that. Why do I get a feeling you're just a CCP member and not a representative of the Players?
Removal of the IGB is starting to make sense to me now as CCP wants to make EVE Free to Play.
I would not be surprised if removal of the chat and mailing systems as we know it were scheduled for removal next.
I guess lots of inappropriate links and information will be posted.
My and other Players questions remain unanswered though:
What is CCP going to do about all the lost functionality that the In-game Browser has offered for years?
(And no, using overlays, smart-devices or buying another screen is not an answer to that.) |
Speared
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Posted - 2016.10.13 01:46:26 -
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And now I have to Alt+Tab to desktop to view the killboard in order to take care of Diplo/drama stuff which is a huge immersion breaker to me.
If your current team can't manage the game properly CCP, perhaps you should find more suitable people for the job. |
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Posted - 2016.10.16 17:51:14 -
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I guess the cause is lost. If people have not been outraged by now they will never be.
It's pretty simple as vast majority of EVE players didn't need the IGB in the first place.
Most of them are either carebears or lemming pvpers perfectly willing to follow orders and nothing else.
There were of course those who used to have their mini-games that IGB allowed but who would care about those players?
So in theory everything is fine. However, if you take a look at server activity graph then you'll see that 2 years ago peaks were at even 57-60 thousand players online. Now in October 2016, the peaks are at 34 thousand players. So I guess those changes that were meant to imprve EVE and didn't affect most of EVE players made about 23 thousands of them vanish over the last 2 years.
So how many of those 23 thousand players you did not listen to CCP?
Take a look at the Citadels for example. Before they were released peaks were at 40 thousand EVE players online.
2 months later peaks were only at 30 thousands EVE players online. So why the change? Perhaps because of the recurring opportunities which were a blasphemy to what EVE ever was and not even Citadels helped.
Let's look a bit earlier at the beginning of 2014 which had 57 thousand EVE players peak.
I belive that in March 2014 the skins were introduced. And what were the peaks after that? Around 40 thousand players on the average. Were all gone because of microtransactions? I doubt that. But were many of those looking to paint their ships as a free expansion based on the subscription they pay? I would say so. I was one of them.
Too bad that server activity graph might not be as useful when EVE goes free 2 play in less than a month, so we won't know how many mini-games that EVE's made of you removed in favour of the vast majority which seems to be shrinking in volume with every "free" expansion you provide. |
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