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Dalanoria ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:38:00 - [1] First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. What I want to know is..Why is it everytime Privateers wardec, you get 4 subsiquent concord emails with 2 seperate corps Declairing war and then retracting almost in a single breath.... They wardec'd CORE alliance three times, and each time it was the same with the 1 man corp wardec emails, then retracts.. Ok, now im in the D2 alliance, and what do you know.Privateers wardec (everyone laughed as D2 had more people online then privateers entire alliance) D2 and the concord email is subsequently followed by 2 nub corps declaring, then retracting.. I know what im thinking.....
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:44:00 - [2] Edited by: Shirei on 03/03/2007 15:41:20 I think that happens, if people leave the alliance nowadays? You used to get those 'blablabla has surrendered' evemails, but maybe that's changed.
Dalanoria ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.03 15:54:00 - [3] Someone a while back suggested it was a way to avoid paying the concord TAB, as with any privateer wardec, it ends exactly 168 hours later due to non payement. AND privateers re-dec within 24 hours, followed by the nub corp wardec emails...
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:20:00 - [4] speaking of nubs, welcome to the forums /me gives u a wave. FACT. You cant join an alliance with an active dec, just FYI. OMG HAXOR SPLOITER CHEATZOR PRIVS..... unfounded, un tested on your part, lets just jump onto the forums, whine, cry u exploit, without doing your research or even testing it yourself. Its been talked about, coverd and proven, and supported by decc'd allainces. Ask your CEO if your interested. /me slaps you again. Sorted - see you in space chump Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Sorted speaking of nubs, welcome to the forums /me gives u a wave. FACT. You cant join an alliance with an active dec, just FYI. OMG HAXOR SPLOITER CHEATZOR PRIVS..... unfounded, un tested on your part, lets just jump onto the forums, whine, cry u exploit, without doing your research or even testing it yourself. Its been talked about, coverd and proven, and supported by decc'd allainces. Ask your CEO if your interested. /me slaps you again. Sorted - see you in space chump Boy somebody's in a bad mood... --------- Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Quote: Whats a gatecamp? Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
Dalanoria ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.03 16:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Sorted speaking of nubs, welcome to the forums /me gives u a wave. FACT. You cant join an alliance with an active dec, just FYI. OMG HAXOR SPLOITER CHEATZOR PRIVS..... unfounded, un tested on your part, lets just jump onto the forums, whine, cry u exploit, without doing your research or even testing it yourself. Its been talked about, coverd and proven, and supported by decc'd allainces. Ask your CEO if your interested. /me slaps you again. Sorted - see you in space chump Theres a rule about asking questions concerning non suquential matters, which would include but not limit privateers alliance war dec's...
Kerc Kasha Caldari Valiant Logistics Inc. Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:05:00 - [7] Those are corps that left the alliance after you were wardecced, so they have 24 hours while they're still at war. Not a hack or cheat of any sort, its just there to stop corps in alliances that get wardecced turning their tails and running.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. A ** poor insult thinly veiled in a purportedly objective statement. Try harder next time. Originally by:** Dalanoria Ok, now im in the D2 alliance, and what do you know.Privateers wardec (everyone laughed as D2 had more people online then privateers entire alliance) D2 and the concord email is subsequently followed by 2 nub corps declaring, then retracting.. I don't think you realize what the Privteers are about. They love wardecing enemies much larger then themselves. That's their goal. They're not looking to take over your territory. They're just looking for wartargets. And the bigger your alliance is, the more opportunities the Privateers have to blow your alliance's ships out of the sky. So I think that even though everyone in your alliance is laughing, the Privateers are laughing even harder.
Dupac Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Kerc Kasha Those are corps that left the alliance after you were wardecced, so they have 24 hours while they're still at war. Not a hack or cheat of any sort, its just there to stop corps in alliances that get wardecced turning their tails and running. Exactly Corp leaves privateers - they still have to be at war for 24 hours so you get two messages, one declaring war and the other retracting it from that corp. The retraction takes 24 hours to take effect.
Nylian Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. I left voluntarily tyvm. =P
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 17:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Sorted on 03/03/2007 17:37:54 Originally by: Jex Jast Boy somebody's in a bad mood... I wasnt until I read the Origional Posters insinuating remarks. Either she knows fine well and is just stirring, baiting and hoping some short temperd type bites (and I did), or she is just to lazy to do her own research b4 jumping up and down on the forums. Either way shes not on my christmas card list. EDIT>> ok I might be a bit touchy answering teh same topics to differnt lazy nubs and my super flame retardent standard issue P.A suit is in the shop - and the general idiocy and attitude towards privs mainly unfoudned is ****ing me off. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:14:00 - [12] privateers is for corps to have thousands of targets or does it need to be simpler? ___________________________
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:28:00 - [13] When we were decced by those ebil privateers for two weeks we got a total of 6 mails. 1 informing us of the dec The rest saying "blah blah" has surrendered. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 04/03/2007 01:39:37 Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 04/03/2007 01:35:38 Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. I'm really not a bad person. I'm just misunderstood. I've never been in a fake 0.0 alliance much less a real one. Thus I have never been kicked out of one. It is usless to try and explain things to people when it comes to the Privateers since they seem to forget or choose to ignore what is explained to them 5 minutes later. If you really want to know how the Privateers work then I suggest you join one of the corporations that are part of the Privateer Alliance. Then you will know how it works instead of trying to guess how it works. On a friendlier note, I hope you kick the crap out of BoB. Originally by: scabbsssjr When we were decced by those ebil privateers for two weeks we got a total of 6 mails. 1 informing us of the dec The rest saying "blah blah" has surrendered. You only got 6 surrender mails in those two weeks? You lucky dog you. I get about 6 a day from all the corps that surrender. And I never get mad at anything posted on the forums. I laugh a lot, but never get mad. I've been married about 30 years so I doubt anything short of an announcement of Eve shutting down could get me mad. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Kehmor Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.03.04 02:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. ye kemeno sure couldn't get into a real alliance what with them having some of the best pvpers in eve and all. Cry me a river, build me a bridge, get over it!
Dread Operative SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.04 03:09:00 - [16] Yes and no.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.04 05:38:00 - [17] It's not a hack or scam, but it is an exploit, of course most exploits become game features by sheer dint of age...
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.03.04 05:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: scabbsssjr When we were decced by those ebil privateers for two weeks we got a total of 6 mails. 1 informing us of the dec The rest saying "blah blah" has surrendered. You only got 6 surrender mails in those two weeks? You lucky dog you. I get about 6 a day from all the corps that surrender. And I never get mad at anything posted on the forums. I laugh a lot, but never get mad. I've been married about 30 years so I doubt anything short of an announcement of Eve shutting down could get me mad. Your own alliance surrendered to itself? Maybe it was more, my ceo could have been deleting them as they came to the best of his abilites. This was right after your 80 plus war dec weekend. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.04 06:28:00 - [19] Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 04/03/2007 06:25:36 I'll tell you what it is. When a corporation leaves an alliance its instantaneous, none of that 24 hour stuff like when a person with rolls leaves a corp. So that they can't instaneously get out of the wardec, Concord automatically transfers the wardec to the corp and then retracts it, and that way it makes so that they keep the wardec for 24 hours after leaving the alliance. It used to be an exploit that corps would be in an alliance with a wardec, fire on targets, and then withdraw from the alliance. When their enemies fired back they would get Concorded. So this way they can't do that. The way Privateers works is that it allows corps to come in and out of the alliance at will. It basically allows them to go back to their carebearing ways for a week, restock their supplies and whatnot, and then jump back into the alliance and back into the war. So basically you get spammed with those mails all the time when you have a Privateer wardec. ----------------------------------------------------
iCrusher Gallente Heresy Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.04 11:19:00 - [20] And it's not like it's possible to do any real pirating in empire any other way ...
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.04 12:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 04/03/2007 12:47:17 Originally by: Aille Pluthrak On a friendlier note, I hope you kick the crap out of BoB. You want to watch that Outbreak Vid Karma...now that is what you guys should be ganking. That would hurt on a daily basis...picking off the odd cruiser doesnt compare CCP nerfed my sig..but this one has my name in it
Danno Rogues	Posted - 2007.03.04 13:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. that statement alone really highlights your extreme ignorance - shame to you and D2
jax slaughter Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:21:00 - [23] Yaaaarrrrr , my goal as a privateer is simple , inflict the most damage to enemies in ISK at a low cost. Its a successfull business model taken from SpaceMart Ads. WHoever say succesfull business means someone somewhere is a rotten dirt bag exploiting something. Thats meeeeee sign. BY ROMEO : 2007.02.21 17:09 petitioned for banned.. join the other 2 players banned for using my thread, its against EULA to pass your self of as someone else to scam [img]http
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Dalanoria because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. can you please point me in the direction of this real 0.0 alliance. cause im dying to know where they're at
Lady wtfbbq Minmatar Honey Carriers Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 00:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. That made me laugh, hard.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.05 04:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/03/2007 04:16:01 Hax? Mods shrank my YARRR button
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.05 04:19:00 - [27] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/surlymcdouchebag/funny/wtfhax.jpg Mods shrank my YARRR button
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Danno Originally by: Dalanoria First off, im posting in Crime and punishment because privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances. that statement alone really highlights your extreme ignorance - shame to you and D2 Aye, especially in the light of http://killboard.eve-d2.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=45225 Your only exposure to pvp was a blob gank at a chokepoint. Stones, glass houses etc.
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.05 06:05:00 - [29] Originally by: jax slaughter Yaaaarrrrr , my goal as a privateer is simple , inflict the most damage to enemies in ISK at a low cost. but you do not do that. your alliance run from almost anything not being a gank. ive personally seen more then 5 privateer alliance members log off to save their pod. you exploit the wardec system by wardeccing and retracting instantly to be able to start shooting in a min instead of the 24h that it was intended to be. ive met a couple of people in privateer alliance that are not tards though just to let you know that i dont condemn all of you as lame bums. although it does seem that most are. Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
mematar Turbulent	Posted - 2007.03.05 06:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: jax slaughter Yaaaarrrrr , my goal as a privateer is simple , inflict the most damage to enemies in ISK at a low cost. but you do not do that. your alliance run from almost anything not being a gank. ive personally seen more then 5 privateer alliance members log off to save their pod. you exploit the wardec system by wardeccing and retracting instantly to be able to start shooting in a min instead of the 24h that it was intended to be. ive met a couple of people in privateer alliance that are not tards though just to let you know that i dont condemn all of you as lame bums. although it does seem that most are. Ye there are/were lots of good guys in PRVTR, but there are lots of stupid ones too.
Polcor Rodal Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:38:00 - [31] I dont think they are exploiting the system, they are just using it, as is is implemented. We should try to focus on the reasons they use it this way. Lets discuss this: EVE, as it is now, divides the cummunity into PVE¦ers (often insulted to be carebears) and PvP¦ers (which claim themselves to be "real men"). PVE¦ers can stockpile vast sums of ISK¦due to trading and mission running in high sec and may feel perfectly happy there. PVP¦ers can shoot each other right through the head 23/7 if they wish to - but - and its a huge BUT, you have to be part of an alliance to do so - with all the consequences 0.0 ally life has to offer. Many players simply dont want to be involved in that ally hassle (maybe they are playing a game called RL - strange storyline, but fantastic graphic, btw. ). Those players, along with the part- and fulltime pirates who want to play on the other side of law have low sec, but - read above - for people who dont want to PvP, there is no need to go into low sec, as well as for people who live in 0.0. (yes i know, shopping, suplly, but come on...).So low sec is less populated, very few targets for pirates, only "hungry wolves". (Almost) no interaction between PVE¦ers and PvP¦ers (besides market of course) So, why all this blah blah ? Privateer is using the wardec system in a way that was surely never intended, due to a large frustration about the things stated above, there is a major flaw in EVE as it is now, you know, and iam not talking about races/ships, the game has reached its limits (allies, grotwth, ISK-inflation, souvereignity etc...) Eve has to change or die. Read Oveurs post saying the will bring PVE players more close to PvP¦ers, so Privateers is only playing into the hands of CCP. And yes, i personal don¦t like what privateers are doing, but i think i can understand why are they do it, and why they do it this way. CCP, you draw next. Pol If in danger, or in doubt, run in cricles, scream and shout
Demora Anglis Amarr The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/03/2007 04:16:01 Hax? Made me spew my hypothetical cup of tea. Meh, Privateers kinda makes Empire more interesting. Albeit, in a 0.0 kinda boring way (where you get camped in a lot), but also makes for some good ammo-magnets. ^_^ Originally by: Zappapapa I beat a Dominix and an Armageddon with a Dominix, thus Dominix > Dominix + Armageddon. Subtracting a Dominix from each side gives you 0 > Armageddon. QED, Amarr
Lord Bleu The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Soporo It's not a hack or scam, but it is an exploit, of course most exploits become game features by sheer dint of age... Its an exploit for an alliance to declare war on another alliance? ROFLMAO That's probably the funniest thing I've read in the forums in a while. Anymore? how about: "Its an exploit to fly a shuttle to try and avoid a gank fleet" "Its an exploit to mine in high sec with a hulk" "Its an exploit to plsy the damn game" >> The Xizor Cartel << >> Currently Recruiting Mature PVP'ers <<
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:35:00 - [34] just another victim How can it be a hack or scam ? ROFL Privateers > OP
Seyah Remmus Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:09:00 - [35] The eve worlds general opinion of Privateers is annoying and completely wrong. yeah sure, we may kill a lot of haulers. When you guys are sitting in yr pocket of 0.0, do you let the haulers past, waiting for the BS to come along? No. neither do we. The pilots in [bydi]are some of the best(and scariest)ive flown with.(Ugluuk, Seargant, Herra etc) And whilst yes, some people might use dirty tricks like log-offs, there are members in every corp and alliance that will cheat to save their ship. We've seen several BS log-off on us over the past few days(check my bio ingame :) hehe) Last night we took on 11 with 6, and won. Few hours later, my Myrm gets blobbed by 3 CS, 1 BS, 2 BC to begin with. Everything we get accused of, everyone else does to us. But we have fun =]
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.03.05 15:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 04/03/2007 06:25:36 I'll tell you what it is. When a corporation leaves an alliance its instantaneous, none of that 24 hour stuff like when a person with rolls leaves a corp. So that they can't instaneously get out of the wardec, Concord automatically transfers the wardec to the corp and then retracts it, and that way it makes so that they keep the wardec for 24 hours after leaving the alliance. It used to be an exploit that corps would be in an alliance with a wardec, fire on targets, and then withdraw from the alliance. When their enemies fired back they would get Concorded. So this way they can't do that. The way Privateers works is that it allows corps to come in and out of the alliance at will. It basically allows them to go back to their carebearing ways for a week, restock their supplies and whatnot, and then jump back into the alliance and back into the war. So basically you get spammed with those mails all the time when you have a Privateer wardec. Also some rather unsavory corporations would operate a scheme where by its members would have no roles in a company. The Corp would wardec, they'd leave and then rejoin later when the found a target or had otherwise slipped through the front lines....
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Lord Bleu Its an exploit for an alliance to declare war on another alliance? ROFLMAO That's probably the funniest thing I've read in the forums in a while. it is a exploit to circumvent the planned 24h prep time for empire wars. i cant think of any other term for it. with the wardec/cancel you get to start shooting instantly wich was not a planned feature but wich is infact a bug that you use over and over again thus a exploit. not a major exploit but nontheless a exploit of a bug. Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:12:00 - [38] Reason for whine thread? http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=qsearch&q=Dalanoria&w=pilot
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:17:00 - [39] Edited by: DiuxDium on 05/03/2007 20:15:56 e;f;b ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What's Dusk And Dawn? These guys? http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=alliance&alliance=Dusk%20and%20Dawn You guys sure seem to die a lot to us "privateers arent a real alliance, theyre just the accumulation of bad people tossed out of real 0.0 alliances."
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:24:00 - [40] I think the mods are going to remove those KB links. But to the OP, I know what I am thinking...I'm thinking you need to learn from your mistakes and maybe the "alliance you don't like" will not get so many kills on you. Thus you wont whine so much on the forums. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!

HornFrog Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.06 00:22:00 - [41] I've removed the OP's original trolling comment, as well as references to it. In addition, do not discuss exploits. If you think that an individual or organization is exploiting, petition them in-game rather than discussing it here on the forums. click Email Us


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