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Valorex1 Darkness Consumed The Devils' Rejects 50	Posted - 2016.06.29 13:31:45 - [1] - Quote And here I thought we would be getting new hulls for these new capitals. Disappointing that we aren't. No new hull cant hardly justify the cost to obtain these.
Valorex1 Darkness Consumed The Devils' Rejects 50	Posted - 2016.06.30 00:14:00 - [2] - Quote Pryce Caesar wrote: Cade Windstalker wrote: HandelsPharmi wrote: As far I can see, the webber bonus is NOT for Heavy Stasis Grapplers? Right? That is correct. Stasis Grapplers are not Stasis Webbifiers and therefore don't get the bonus. Also that would result, at close ranges, in a Web effect of over 100% strength which would probably cause velocity to loop around and the ship to shoot off at 2147483647 m/s In other words, Vehement is the big brother to this fitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMl9Xp4h-Fo&list=LLtUE9ceRWec_4PC-3c1BbQA&index=2 Dual Web Scram Paint with Armor Tanking to brawl like a God with High Angle Weapons. With a 50b build cost when you can just be counter dropped by sc's is just dumb. Even if in a wh with it you're still just dumb as its just going to be neuted out and a free km for the attackers. Current dreads are disposable this isn't, an sc compared to this is disposable. Go buy an sc and get 10x's the bang for the isk. If this could solo 2-3 sc's now this would make it a sought ship just my opinion. Im sure their are those who will argue that its a mean brawler. But where can you brawl with this without the risk of being countered by 10+ sc's. Only in a wh can you do this and in a wh this is a useless ship to bring to grid as the attackers will bring ranged ships like arty sleips. It doesnt matter if you can do 50k dps. If you can't apply it you're just a km waiting it's turn to be generated. Im directly talking about the serpentis dread. Way to much isk/risk to justify the cost of this ship.
Valorex1 Darkness Consumed The Devils' Rejects 50	Posted - 2016.06.30 02:10:10 - [3] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: If you all don't think this is worth the price tag then... don't fly them? People said the same thing about the Revenant and it still took less than six months for someone to pop one, let alone build one. Not everything in the game needs to be widely used or clearly cost efficient, some things are just giant ISK pinatas. Case and point, Officer Mods. I take that it's more of bragging rights to have one but conpared to the revenant it cant stand up at all. The sc has one thing this ship doesnt it can apply massive dps at long distances. This dread can't. You drop this in field and you're either getting countered by more dreads,sc,or titans. As for the price difference on the 2 ships the revenant i agree with as the bpc is rare to obtain. You're talking about a dread bpc that can be farmed therfore competition will be extremely high. The buyers can literally force the cost of these so low that it isnt worth building for the measly 6b or so in profits you'll make. I can build a titan for right at 57b and flip it for 95-110b. The build time will roughly be the same on parts but only a difference in time to build a hull. But sonce its seeded by npc availability of the bpc will go up cost to produce versus profits will suck. Youre better off building citadels.
Valorex1 Darkness Consumed The Devils' Rejects 50	Posted - 2016.06.30 08:44:26 - [4] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: Lt Shard wrote: I think you are missing the point If you feel I'm missing the point then you're free to attempt to clarify, personally though all I'm seeing is a lot of people complaining that they don't feel this would be cost efficient to field, which is kind of exactly the point. Valorex1 wrote: I take that it's more of bragging rights to have one but conpared to the revenant it cant stand up at all. The sc has one thing this ship doesnt it can apply massive dps at long distances. This dread can't. You drop this in field and you're either getting countered by more dreads,sc,or titans. As for the price difference on the 2 ships the revenant i agree with as the bpc is rare to obtain. You're talking about a dread bpc that can be farmed therfore competition will be extremely high. The buyers can literally force the cost of these so low that it isnt worth building for the measly 6b or so in profits you'll make. I can build a titan for right at 57b and flip it for 95-110b. The build time will roughly be the same on parts but only a difference in time to build a hull. But sonce its seeded by npc availability of the bpc will go up cost to produce versus profits will suck. Youre better off building citadels. If it had its own new killer model then it could sway a bit more to the cost of things. As of now they took a preexisting model, added a ship skin and changed it's bonuses. Hardly worth ccp saying take a look at these awesome new capitals that we didnt put a lot of thought into and let's just change bonuses and make them cost 50b. I doubt we'll ever see people making these things the same way people build current Dreads, but I can totally see an enterprising person taking advantage of exactly the issues you're bringing up here to basically set the price on a constructed one of these to a rich buyer, or just flat out charging to build it. Either way all I'm seeing here is reasons you think someone else probably won't want one of these, and why you would never build one just to sell. None of that is really an argument against the cost of these things. All I'm really saying is for cost to obtain it's rather disappointing that we didn't get a new ship model to go with it.

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