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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.04 22:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Korin Veecolectus
Edited by: Korin Veecolectus on 04/03/2007 21:19:16
Well the servers are down, soooo I want to take a moment to answer the most lamebrained question I have ever heard. I am not sure you, Ren Tales understand what a "pirate" is. So let me patiently explain. A pirate is a criminal; he/she is out to ruin the time and work of other new players trying to climb the economical ladder that is Eve. A pirate sits at gates and waits for travelers to come through so they can blow up their ship and take their stuff. Is there ever an invite tag of "Hey pirate im in a severely underequipped ship and by the way I have no skills. Shoot at me!" above their ship? Piracy is like "rape". Pirates are rapists as far as I am concerned. Pirates are terrorists. If you do not understand the reality of your role, you shouldn't be one. You do not have the guts. Stop stealing people's freedom and you won't feel the same way when anti-pirates station camp you. And they should station camp you everyday, so you cannot go out and terrorize people who are just enjoying the game. I don't know what else to tell you. And yeah man, anti pirates ARE on higher moral ground than you. If you can't understand that, you're living in denial.
I've never seen you before.
And by that I mean, sucky first impression.
First of all, let me state the obvious: you're taking this game way too seriously.
Secondly: "A pirate is a criminal; he/she is out to ruin the time and work of other new players trying to climb the economical ladder that is Eve."
Saying that proves your ignorance and tells us that you don't understand humans. Let me explain.
Most video games are quite simply based on killing other people. Some are more strategic than others, but it all comes down to competition. You and everyone else who claims that every pirate has some thing for killing people are clearly missing the fact that competition is a key aspect of gaming. If you don't like it, sit in 1.0 and play the greatest futuristic-mining simulator ever made.
Though you didn't expressly state it, you remind me of those people who assume every pirate is a 13 year old with social issues. And just to be a **** about it you add that they have pimples...because that comes with social issues or something.
Now, let's move on: "And yeah man, anti pirates ARE on higher moral ground than you. If you can't understand that, you're living in denial."
Okay. Hold up. AP's kill pirates. For profit? No, for VENGEANCEWTFBBQ!!! Because VENGEANCEWTFBBQ is what they do, and they feel that they're doing the world a service by blowing up the pixels of someone who blows up other pixels.
To break that down for you:
1) They kill as well, but not for profit - just to feel good about killing someone they think deserves to be griefed.
2) It's a friggin game. There's no morality in games, even those that aren't centered around killing.
So to wrap up - you have no idea what you're talking about, and shut your damn mouth til you do.
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
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Whats a gatecamp?
Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
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happymappy
Amarr
BloodBath 'N Beyond
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Posted - 2007.03.04 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: happymappy on 04/03/2007 22:54:50
Originally by: FalconHawk
Originally by: happymappy
They find smack talking and blobing fun  well all the anti pies ive had the pleasure of meeting so far anyway.
"all"???? wait until the server is back up again and you will receive the daily smack you need 
im sorry falc you dont count i lub you
" Piracy is like "rape". Pirates are rapists as far as I am concerned. Pirates are terrorists."
Oh and dude this is going in my bio
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Plim
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.04 23:20:00 -
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Angry carebears are angry carebears, not anti-pirates. Anti-pirate is a pvp role. Not a "omg I have guns in my miner slots and 800 friends lol" role.
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Hypatia Iola
Caldari
Warhounds
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Posted - 2007.03.05 00:38:00 -
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i read all the way up to slice's 1st post. okay now...
was this a whine about being ganked? You accepted PvP by having your sec status lower than -5. just FYI
if it wasn't: okay, i agree, 3 uber ships v 1 frig=kinda goofy, but i got ganked in a blackbird by not less than 15 ships. no biggie man. their mindset is the exact same as yours: woot, i can PvP without dealing with a buncha concorde!
as to them accusing you of n00b ganking: if you don't do it, who cares?
and we(anti pies) defend our way of life in the game for the same reason you defend yours. we take greater restrictions on our targets who nearly always have better ships than us (this goes for my corp only) along with superior numbers. honestly, i'd've gone after you too! if only to actually be able to win a fight.
anyway, there's my viewpoint, and since it's mine it must be right.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.05 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Angry carebears are angry carebears, not anti-pirates. Anti-pirate is a pvp role. Not a "omg I have guns in my miner slots and 800 friends lol" role.
that works the other way around also plim.
carebear piewats that cant gank a single BS with 5-7 ppl and then sit and cry and whine at their safespot on how much you suck and they rule while they were having wcs also.
hello pure.
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Icome4u
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:03:00 -
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I'm not sure why some people think anti-pirates are skilless...
Last time i check, both pirates and anti-pirates have VERY skilled people.
I know i will gladly and easily take down your Tier 3 BS with my little Tier 2 BS :)
Then again i might be honorless and use my dread or carrier
If you pirates don't like anti-pirates, well that's the point We aren't here to make you guys happy, we are here to ruin your game time just like you ruin it for other people Sounds like the OP got owned to many times
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.05 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u
I'm not sure why some people think anti-pirates are skilless...
Key word being "some"
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Last time i check, both pirates and anti-pirates have VERY skilled people.
And very bad ones...
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Then again i might be honorless and use my dread or carrier
Nothing dishonorable in using a bigger ship. Only in running away with one when you should be winning.
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If you pirates don't like anti-pirates, well that's the point We aren't here to make you guys happy, we are here to ruin your game time just like you ruin it for other people
I refer you to my previous post - we don't do it for the sake of ruining games, we do it for profit. You do it for the sake of upsetting us. But *most* of us don't whine about you guys on the forums. Some, however, clearly do, and I am sorry to be associated with such people.
I got killed by a sabre today and I was ****ed as hell, new setup and everything. But there's no thread about it. Just a footnote on a post in someone else's thread (the footnote you just read).
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Gate Camp: Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
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Icome4u
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 05/03/2007 04:35:33
Both side whine... so what? Let them talk, i let my missiles do the talking for me. And as far as i personaly know, pirates smack talk a lot more. Heck, just now a couple pirates were smack talking in local for no apparent reason than to be smartasses. Now they have a couple ships and hundred million isk less.
So maybe for some of you pirates, pirating is a 'profit', well anti-pirates can actualy also look at it as profit. They blow pirates up, which leaves the area more secure which less their miners or other people do their thing w/o having pirates attacking them.
Anti-Pirates only exist because some people feel the need to stop other people pirating... Don't like it, don't be a pirate.
From my point of view, i anti-pirate to let other friendlies and neutrals run their own business (mine, rat, run missions etc). No personal grudge, but if i see a pirate (negative standing) i will blow him up and usualy pod him to make sure he/she doesn't bother my friends and neutral players.
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.03.05 04:59:00 -
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Last night I was out pirating for the first with some friends in a condor, brutix, and myrmidon. Locals blobbed us with so much stuff one of the kill mails were truncated, then they sat outside the station with smart bombs to pop/pod us again in shuttles. I hate anti-pies 
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.05 05:00:00 -
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Hey, I respect your choice. And if you view it that way it can be seen as profit.
But honestly I don't think anyone can judge who smacks more, as no one keeps statistics. Sure you can speak from experience, but that's not really objective. Not that it matters who smacks more anyway.
And I think it's unlikely that most APs view it the way you do - many of them just want to ruin a pirate's day, because it's what we do to others. Not that we do it for that purpose - but that brings us right back to the top of this post so it'd be foolish to repeat myself.
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Gate Camp: Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 05:04:00 -
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I jumped my Thanatos through Old Man Star - I wondered whether it was the carrier that caused a stir or my sec status, or maybe both... 
I guess my outlawed sec did me no favours - they failed to kill me too ofcourse. 
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Icome4u
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
And I think it's unlikely that most APs view it the way you do - many of them just want to ruin a pirate's day, because it's what we do to others.
That's all that needs to be said. Pirates ruin other players game time (whether they mean or don't mean too), so Anti-Pirates ruin Pirates game time. That's the simplest way to put it.
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Ren Tales
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.05 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ren Tales on 05/03/2007 08:41:34
Edited by: Ren Tales on 05/03/2007 08:40:46
So to sumarize this thread:
one person: "OMG u r so right anti pies suxorz!"
another person: "OMG u r so wrong you're a jerk anti pies rule!"
Yet another person: "OMG you sooo don't fight fair don't even lie to me omgwtfbbq"
To answer a few questions and acusations, I was anoyed by the unfair conditions but not in any way indignant or suprised. I attacked the hurricane fully expecting to be ganked. My anoyance is not REALLY with the unfair odds, its that these people think that THEIR unfair odds are much more fair and even, since I am a "ZOMGEVILPWATE" who does nothing but gank noobies for his own twisted pleasure at ruining someone elses game time, with no risk involved whatsoever. So if I fight cruisers solo in an AF, (and I've died pretty frequently, webbers + thorax + wolf = dead wolf) I'm a evil griefer, but if they kill my AF with two t2 cruisers and a bc they're noble and fair.
Just wish these people would take the GAME (< operative word) less seriously and go kill more than just pirates, or stop killing people altogether. Station blobbing then bragging about it is lame, mmk?
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juduzz
Amarr
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:05:00 -
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Some anti pirates suck, some pirates suck nuff said TBH
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Redback911
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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:30:00 -
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To be honest ren you make me want to puke. You are whining against their chosen play method whilst at the same saying anything goes in lowsec. Grow some balls man, anti-pies and blobbage are a risk of the career path. As a pirate I honor ransoms and 1 vs 1's, but I always ensure that im protected against 1 vs 1 'cheats'. And let's get one thing straight here, honoring a 1 vs 1 isnt really anything to brag about in EVE. Could even be classed as stupidity. Non consentual pvp in lowsec remember?
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:39:00 -
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Dear Ren Tales, there was no sinister plan behind your ishkurs demise just a tad of bad luck on your side. We were in the process of logging in and the arazu was not docked but had just arrived to station cloaked. We had a -10 pirate shooting at someone outside the station and took advantage of the situation. Should we have not done this in the name of fair play?
You are trying to make it sound like we are as bad or good as you are because we both shoot people. But there is a difference in the people we shoot isn't there? While we only shoot people that shoot people, you shoot everyone, including newbies mining or ratting in their brand new tristan. Now you can argue for a couple of more pages about how equally despicable we are but whenever I gank a pirate I can hear ten dead newbs cheering for me in my inner head and thats good enough for me ;)
I'll try to make our next fight a bit more interesting though mainly because your type of pirate is the one I respect, not the 10 ppl bs ganksquads that roam around shooting everyone they happen upon.
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ren Tales
Edited by: Ren Tales on 05/03/2007 08:41:34
Edited by: Ren Tales on 05/03/2007 08:40:46
So to sumarize this thread:
one person: "OMG u r so right anti pies suxorz!"
another person: "OMG u r so wrong you're a jerk anti pies rule!"
Yet another person: "OMG you sooo don't fight fair don't even lie to me omgwtfbbq"
To answer a few questions and acusations, I was anoyed by the unfair conditions but not in any way indignant or suprised. I attacked the hurricane fully expecting to be ganked. My anoyance is not REALLY with the unfair odds, its that these people think that THEIR unfair odds are much more fair and even, since I am a "ZOMGEVILPWATE" who does nothing but gank noobies for his own twisted pleasure at ruining someone elses game time, with no risk involved whatsoever. So if I fight cruisers solo in an AF, (and I've died pretty frequently, webbers + thorax + wolf = dead wolf) I'm a evil griefer, but if they kill my AF with two t2 cruisers and a bc they're noble and fair.
Just wish these people would take the GAME (< operative word) less seriously and go kill more than just pirates, or stop killing people altogether. Station blobbing then bragging about it is lame, mmk?
Just so you don't have to take all of the flak... so what if you get called names, so what if people shoot you for shooting noobs. I don't care... I enjoy taking the pleasure of removing an incompetant missile spamming Raven flying player from space, who has absolutely no chance of defending himself against an older player. Hell - I enjoy griefing, i enjoy taking the time to annoy someone else and ruin there day. I enjoy it so much we've made little games out of it - Drone Lotteries for example. Just the other day we did on a guy who we probed out doing a mission... and all we got for the 10 minutes it took the drones to kill his ship was "omg please dont kill me ive worked so hard for this ship." So? So what? Youre in lowsec, don't like it? Dont come here. Simple as that.
I take no sympathy towards anyone I kill, equally i accept bad karma will catch up - but i respect it for what it is, and that is just a game. I lost my fully faction fit Vindicator to a gang + sentries just over a week ago. Now, just over a week later, i still dont give a ****, and what i do hasnt changed.
Piracy 4tw - the best element in this game. I know where you're coming from mate, the more they annoy you, the more you should make sure they die.
G o>
INFOD Director.
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.06 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: happymappy
" Piracy is like "rape". Pirates are rapists as far as I am concerned. Pirates are terrorists."
Oh and dude this is going in my bio
damn beat me to it...so I'll just have to add ya to my sig
cause that my friends is a real winner statement for a VIDEO game!!! what a freak
Originally by: Korin Veecolectus
Piracy is like "rape". Pirates are rapists as far as I am concerned.
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Milonia
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.03.06 19:15:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Milonia on 06/03/2007 19:16:01
Hello! I am in an Anti-Pirate Corp.
We regularly do anti-pirate sweeps in low sec and 0.0 near the high sec where we primarily operate. We shoot at ANY red flashing people. No questions asked. We don't fight fair. If you are flashing red from low sec standings and are alone in a AF and we have 6 ships ourselves we won't let you fight 1v1. We will use overwhelming force if we can and do not hesistate to use it.
Why?
1) We are an RP corp and we RP a heavy anti-pirate stance with no mercy.
2) Pirates use overwhelming force when they gate camp and fight. It is the nature of the game.
3) Pirates are usually more skilled in PvP then your average bear.
4) I die to them on a regular basis and I like to turn in the favor. Its all in the game.
Please do not take offense when we take you out with overwhelming numbers for no reason other then your -9 sec status. Just like you don't want people taking offense to the haulers you pop in gate camps.
It is our jobs to "attempt" to take the place of CONCORD in low sec space. Low sec is still empire space. It is just much less secure.
Thanks for listening! I hope to see you all in game sometime! 
edit: oh and we NEVER smack in local. EVER. It is against our corp policy. We try to fight like Gentlemen (and women!)
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Milonia
Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa)
I'm new so be nice!
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Pressure Line
Amarr
Extreme Pressure Developments
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:25:00 -
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funny anti-pirate story...
im docked in station in egbinger when my torrent finishes. so i start the video (its a 90 minute rally video) minimise eve and have a chat to some friends, my skill finishes about half way through the video so i open up eve and see a convo happening in local
<pilot1> who are you camping?
<pilot2> we are camping the pirate in station
<me> me? have fun, im not even gonna be doing anything for another 45 minutes at least
<me> im afk, so go harass someone else.
<pilot2> we couldnt find anyone else.
*30 minutes later*
<me> lol arent you guys bored yet?
<pilot3*> no :/ *same corp as pilot2
*15 minutes later*
<me> hahah lol they got bored and left
and that boys and girls is why stationcamping someone who TELLS you they are afk, and are going to be afk for 45 minutes at least is stupid.
Originally by: Hesed
CCP started a popular urban legend years ago that ships sometimes have prizes inside. Pods making noises when you pour milk on em. If you send in enough killmails, you get a decoder ring. |
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:41:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Pressure Line
funny anti-pirate story...
im docked in station in egbinger when my torrent finishes. so i start the video (its a 90 minute rally video) minimise eve and have a chat to some friends, my skill finishes about half way through the video so i open up eve and see a convo happening in local
<pilot1> who are you camping?
<pilot2> we are camping the pirate in station
<me> me? have fun, im not even gonna be doing anything for another 45 minutes at least
<me> im afk, so go harass someone else.
<pilot2> we couldnt find anyone else.
*30 minutes later*
<me> lol arent you guys bored yet?
<pilot3*> no :/ *same corp as pilot2
*15 minutes later*
<me> hahah lol they got bored and left
and that boys and girls is why stationcamping someone who TELLS you they are afk, and are going to be afk for 45 minutes at least is stupid.
That makes me smile broadly.
And to the poster just above, that's good, I respect that you have respect.
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Gate Camp: Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Think of it like fishing with a machine gun while in a tent full of people that won't shut up on ts
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Isis Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.06 23:33:00 -
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well of Course you cant simply listen to them.. hello.. Pirates.. between the yarrs and the matey's they Lie.
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Horatio Nately
Caldari
808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:33:00 -
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the last anti-pie I ran into tried to station tank me with his drake because of my -1.4 sec...
he popped pretty quick and later claimed he saw me as -9.4
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Sepharina
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:01:00 -
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This is an odd post to say the least....
You cant understand why people are anti-pirate? Simply because, there are pirates! Why do you go out pirating and killing people? Because you like pvp and you make money with it. People do whatever they feel is right and fun. Lets face it, anti-pitates are just people who like pvp too, they've just found their own excuse for doing it that doesnt label them as pirates?
Im not insinutating anything by saying this but... arent you only posting this because the same thing is happening to you that happens to victims of pirates? You get ganke nd lose your ship. Thats life. By going into low sec and 0.0, you too are consenting to PvP. Peoples reasons behid attacking you are their own. Its what makes the game so interesting.
If you didnt pirate, and people didnt anti-pirate, we'd all just shoot asteroids instead.... that would be a bit "oh dear".
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
And to the poster just above, that's good, I respect that you have respect.
I repsect you for repecting them for having repsect
Originally by: Korin Veecolectus
Piracy is like "rape". Pirates are rapists as far as I am concerned.
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
And to the poster just above, that's good, I respect that you have respect.
I respect that you respect them for having respect
Originally by: Korin Veecolectus
Piracy is like "rape". Pirates are rapists as far as I am concerned.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Anti pie = Carebear blobbers who hide their lack of PVP ability and general cowardness in a large fleet while hoping noone actually shoots them.
I was going to make an original post Tiller, but then I realized that nothing can approach the perfection of the above.
So as lame as it is- "QFT". 
Everyone is having a stupid contest, and you're in first place!
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:21:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Milonia
Edited by: Milonia on 06/03/2007 19:16:01
Hello! I am in an Anti-Pirate Corp.
We regularly do anti-pirate sweeps in low sec and 0.0 near the high sec where we primarily operate. We shoot at ANY red flashing people. No questions asked. We don't fight fair. If you are flashing red from low sec standings and are alone in a AF and we have 6 ships ourselves we won't let you fight 1v1. We will use overwhelming force if we can and do not hesistate to use it.
Why?
1) We are an RP corp and we RP a heavy anti-pirate stance with no mercy.
2) Pirates use overwhelming force when they gate camp and fight. It is the nature of the game.
3) Pirates are usually more skilled in PvP then your average bear.
4) I die to them on a regular basis and I like to turn in the favor. Its all in the game.
Please do not take offense when we take you out with overwhelming numbers for no reason other then your -9 sec status. Just like you don't want people taking offense to the haulers you pop in gate camps.
It is our jobs to "attempt" to take the place of CONCORD in low sec space. Low sec is still empire space. It is just much less secure.
Thanks for listening! I hope to see you all in game sometime!
edit: oh and we NEVER smack in local. EVER. It is against our corp policy. We try to fight like Gentlemen (and women!)
Why WHY can't there be more groups like yours? 99.99% of all the anti-pie ppl I've come across are jerks, noobs or both.
And if you ever find yourself in a 'fair' fight, you've done something horribly wrong
Everyone is having a stupid contest, and you're in first place!
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Camperific
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:56:00 -
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The most obvious answer why anti-pie is just that most corps don't want pirates running free in a system where their corpmates are mining,good sense.
The other reasons are it gives empire based corps the chance to start learning the pew pewing,often as not no sec hit doing it,the chance of earning a decent bounty(not the self imposed 5k),and of course beter loot.
Hell for some of the reasons i've stated pirates attack pirates,after all a t2 fitted frig/cruiser/bs is damn better than popping a hauler full of low ends.
And yes some anti-pies can be nobs,but smack is not only an anti-pie habit is it...
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HornFrog
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:09:00 -
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Keep the discussion civil please.
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