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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 05/03/2007 01:24:48 Uh we told him not to goto you because for all we know it can be a log in trap. Mainly Nano Gang+Logging = Lame so we didn't put it past you that there was a good chance of a lame login trap.
We play on our terms not the terms of someone fit to run.
You probed him out for the sole purpose of being afraid ? Well, that certainly makes alot of sense.
I'm also still trying to figure out this 'nanogang with 1400 Tempests' thing. Or was it the fact that our tacklers did not fail ? I mean jesus, you lost a fight although you had us 3:1 outnumbered in everything under the sun - cool, it happens, kudos for bringing it. Was good times.
But what's up with the massive denial ? Jumping into a deadend, warping off the gate to make sure everything is cricket in case you would have wanted to actually chase, then logging without aggression is no arcane or secret mechanic. Making excuses isn't improving your teamwork or morale. It's just making you more bitter and incompetent.
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.05 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Xeliya on 05/03/2007 02:42:56 Edited by: Xeliya on 05/03/2007 02:40:24
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 05/03/2007 01:24:48 Uh we told him not to goto you because for all we know it can be a log in trap. Mainly Nano Gang+Logging = Lame so we didn't put it past you that there was a good chance of a lame login trap.
We play on our terms not the terms of someone fit to run.
You probed him out for the sole purpose of being afraid ? Well, that certainly makes alot of sense.
I'm also still trying to figure out this 'nanogang with 1400 Tempests' thing. Or was it the fact that our tacklers did not fail ? I mean jesus, you lost a fight although you had us 3:1 outnumbered in everything under the sun - cool, it happens, kudos for bringing it. Was good times.
But what's up with the massive denial ? Jumping into a deadend, warping off the gate to make sure everything is cricket in case you would have wanted to actually chase, then logging without aggression is no arcane or secret mechanic. Making excuses isn't improving your teamwork or morale. It's just making you more bitter and incompetent.
Uh actually its more like we won, RAZOR didn't lose much but all your friends lost pretty much ever ship and nicely fitted too unlike the few kills you guys got on us. The ones who died on our side deserved it as they were told to warp out long before you guys were on top of them.
And our scout can do what he wants he probed ya's to give us an option if we wanted it but we decided no. How if not jumping into a possible login trap being afraid? It's called playing smart. We were sniper fit and 90% of you gang was close range nano other then 2 Tempest's which is why you guys couldn't get out of the system.
And actually it was even numbers till a gang that happen to be passing by showed up when you guys were trying to get out of the system.
Either way e-peen arguments are lame, we did our goal of messing up as much of you guys as we could and as a bonus had ya log in a dead end system for some to come out 1 at a time and bit the dust. ----------
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Dao 2
Suicidal-Kushan-Pirates
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:10:00 -
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yeah i think log on and log off tactics are lame and all
and i agree its pretty sad that lv do it
but honestly AAA look in the mirror ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Vandervecken Smith
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sharken
Originally by: Evil Thug Stop whining. Logging off to save your ship is perfectly legal. Log Off -> Ship Saved -> Enemy inflicted less isk damage to you -> Good to you -> Bad to him.

Look, you can say a lot of things about ET, but he is consistent. While random -A- members whine about other people logging off, ET sees it how it is. He's made it very clear in the past that if it can be done, and doesn't breach the EULA, there's nothing wrong with doing it. That's his position, and you've got to respect that.
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Centerfold
Caldari Underworld
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vandervecken Smith
Originally by: Sharken
Originally by: Evil Thug Stop whining. Logging off to save your ship is perfectly legal. Log Off -> Ship Saved -> Enemy inflicted less isk damage to you -> Good to you -> Bad to him.

Look, you can say a lot of things about ET, but he is consistent. While random -A- members whine about other people logging off, ET sees it how it is. He's made it very clear in the past that if it can be done, and doesn't breach the EULA, there's nothing wrong with doing it. That's his position, and you've got to respect that.
That's fine and dandy, but then he should tell his noob alliance m8s to STFU about it when others do it to them.
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Anderson
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:54:00 -
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oh FFS stop the whining please? Go play eve! Seriously, ccp should just shut off the Eve-O forums for the length of the war. oy. You guys whine more than kindergartners and about stupider things than spitting on the playground.
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Apple Boy
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Djerin
Originally by: Seph Res logged off with aggro and disappeared 1 min after from scanner...no idea how this is possible..
I've seen this a couple of time too. It's a petitionable exploit. They are not exactly logging of but having a second computer in character selection screen. When they need to bolt they just hit "enter the game" on one of those characters. Don't know if it is the same character you need to login but the ship of the formerly logged in will instantly disappear. File a petition. Don't whine about it on forums.
don't know if this was posted earlier as I didn't read through all 4 pages, but if you log off or get disconnected while scrammed, you don't warp off, you'll login right in the battle. I know, my wireless connection dropped once in a fight. Then again, I logged in as soon as it came back and finished the guy off 
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Kusotarre
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya Uh actually its more like we won, RAZOR didn't lose much but all your friends lost pretty much ever ship and nicely fitted too unlike the few kills you guys got on us. The ones who died on our side deserved it as they were told to warp out long before you guys were on top of them.
The guys of yours who died couldn't warp out because they were inside dictor bubbles. I'm sure your corpmates appreciate being called morons, though, when it was your terrible "everyone get to gate at random ranges!" fleetcommanding tactics that let us not lose a single ship outside of your hilarious 13 hour gate camp.
Originally by: Xeliya And our scout can do what he wants he probed ya's to give us an option if we wanted it but we decided no. How if not jumping into a possible login trap being afraid? It's called playing smart. We were sniper fit and 90% of you gang was close range nano other then 2 Tempest's which is why you guys couldn't get out of the system.
So to recap: Fleeing while outnumbered = lame and exploit and omfgfail, but not engaging due to the mere possibility of facing at most a force half your size is smart? Thanks for the clarification.
As for our fleet composition, you are, sadly for us, wrong. If we were in a fleet of nanoships, we'd likely have performed better and been able to escape after. As it was, though, we had 4 or 5 long range BS, 2 nanophoons (1 of which a ghettophoon), a nanosleipnir, waaaay too many short range, slow battlecruisers who didn't get to do anything the whole time, and 2 dictors and I think 1 or 2 ceptors.
Originally by: Xeliya And actually it was even numbers till a gang that happen to be passing by showed up when you guys were trying to get out of the system.
It was not ever even numbers. We were managing to keep you separated fairly well across the 80au warps, but that's not our fault.
Originally by: Xeliya Either way e-peen arguments are lame, we did our goal of messing up as much of you guys as we could and as a bonus had ya log in a dead end system for some to come out 1 at a time and bit the dust.
This is the best part of your post. AFAIK, you didn't actually kill any of us until hour nine of your gatecamp.
At hour four, I was logged in (laughing at aforementioned cloaker), and got a buddy in a phoon to come help by distracting you guys off the gate. He killed an NPCing raven 50au from your gate camp, and you didn't leave to help. We then killed two of your inties (apparently the only ships you put T2 on, oddly), and when you left two of us escaped the deadend.
Then we roamed around, and while you sat on gate till hours after DT, we killed ships with a combined worth of at least triple what our entire fleet was composed of.
Honestly, joking and taunting aside, here's what I think of the long gate camp you guys pulled. It ws kinda boring, yeah. I logged off, played some Supreme Commander, logged back on, you were still there, I logged on an alt and NPCed a bit, played some more SupCom. Camping gates is often a necessity, but it's pretty boring (for the people camping, not for the people logged off and doing other things) just to kill some guys who made you upset. Of course, do whatever you will. Maybe you were having beers and laughs over TS, I dunno. It's just more like mining than PVP, IMO.
It's sad the there was no smacktalk at all in local, but it cropped up here. I won't post anymore.
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Zangief Suikoi
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.05 06:33:00 -
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Kettle Pot Black |

Dao 2
Suicidal-Kushan-Pirates
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Posted - 2007.03.05 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Anderson oh FFS stop the whining please? Go play eve! Seriously, ccp should just shut off the Eve-O forums for the length of the war. oy. You guys whine more than kindergartners and about stupider things than spitting on the playground.
ffs ur whining urself idiot, i ain't part o this war so don't think im bein a ***** against yer side but ffs if u dont want to see it, guess what DON'T FREAKIN READ IT
christ whats wrong with u
heres a past example that fits in with u
Someone told me the song was to loud on his computer now what else could i say then? "I don't know what to tell you other then to turn it down :|" and u no what, that solved everything.
yeah thats how stupid ur whining is ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
Also the gal |
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Dao 2
Suicidal-Kushan-Pirates
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Posted - 2007.03.05 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zangief Suikoi Kettle Pot Black
exactly :| ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
Also the gal |

Xeliya
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.05 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kusotarre
Originally by: Xeliya Uh actually its more like we won, RAZOR didn't lose much but all your friends lost pretty much ever ship and nicely fitted too unlike the few kills you guys got on us. The ones who died on our side deserved it as they were told to warp out long before you guys were on top of them.
The guys of yours who died couldn't warp out because they were inside dictor bubbles. I'm sure your corpmates appreciate being called morons, though, when it was your terrible "everyone get to gate at random ranges!" fleetcommanding tactics that let us not lose a single ship outside of your hilarious 13 hour gate camp.
They were told to warp down to the main fleet but did not listen, and this was before you were on top of them, I also did not call them morons nor would I call any of them that ever. They have little experience and the best experience is the harshest (losing their ships).
And ya we didn't get any RAZOR ships in the gate camp because any that came though could do 5km/s or more and get back to the gate. As I said you friends have a very different story.
And as I said this argument is pointless, talking sense into people who fly 90% nano ships is hard. There should have been no smack here till out scout was made fun of. He did what he was suppose to, give us options. ----------
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nickycakes
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:07:00 -
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and the award for thread irony of the year goes to...
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seph Res some stuff
Your alliance was founded by a corp that wrote the book on logging off dude, its called 'logoffski' for a reason you know.
Thank you for cheering me up tho dude! 
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr 3M Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: nickycakes and the award for thread irony of the year goes to...
Ummm two wrongs dont make a right.... If the Op or his whole damn alliance logs off on a daily basis to avoid death doesn't make it "ok"
Cannibal
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TheArchJudge
Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Masochistic Cannibal
Originally by: nickycakes and the award for thread irony of the year goes to...
Ummm two wrongs dont make a right.... If the Op or his whole damn alliance logs off on a daily basis to avoid death doesn't make it "ok"
Cannibal
No one says it is ok, LV will continue to add members that do this to the hall of shame. OP tryed to flame an entire alliance and he got shown the mirror.
Simply smacktacular
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:39:00 -
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Click.
This is not the place to discuss logging off and the thread only serves as a flaimbait.
CCP have stated it not against the rules at the moment, but they are going to do something to resolve it. Untill then im afraid its goign to remain a legitamte tactic.
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