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Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.04 12:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Katrina Coreli on 04/03/2007 12:39:40 I was just wondering what you were all doing with your ishkurs for pvp these days. With the abundence of NOS on cruisers i see 2 options open to me. NOS 4 x NOS setups hold up ok but still getting in range is going to be risky. Range Im going to test this later but id be interested in any thoughts you have, cap is a massive problem on this ship so i figured a neaded several Cap Relays. I wanted to orbit around 18km and stay out of NOS range while holding them down. First Idea Highs 3 x 125 mm lls (Good tracking and decent enough range for my purposes. 1 x Unsure, no nead for a NOS and i couldnt fit one anyway. Meds 1 x Tech 2 AB (Low cap ussage, hopefully it will work for staying out of range 1 x Warp Disruptor 1 x Best Named Cap Recharger (To keep the ship on the move) Lows 1 x Tech 2 SAR 1 x Tech 2 Exp Hard 1 x Cap Relay It looks nice on paper, cap holds up ok. Testing will show whether a Tech 2 Ab will be enough to stay out of range, there is still enough of a tank (I hope) to take abit of a beating. Damage isnt great but it doesnt have to be, i just want to stay out of range and bleed cruisers and the like to death. Thoughts?
Amelis Laucian Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.04 12:59:00 - [2] Personally I'd go for the second to stay out of web/med nos range, though I'd drop the AB for a MWD, other wise any cruiser with a MWD is going to catch you, may be an idea to switch out the cap recharger for a small cap booster w/200 charges too.
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.04 13:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Amelis Laucian Personally I'd go for the second to stay out of web/med nos range, though I'd drop the AB for a MWD, other wise any cruiser with a MWD is going to catch you, may be an idea to switch out the cap recharger for a small cap booster w/200 charges too. My thoughts exactly about staying out of range, the idea for the cap booster is intreiging. I toyed around with a MWD but the cap use and cap penatly is so much, and it boosts my sig radius i thought id be better of with a perma AB. Though i could easily be mistaken, i am inexperienced in frig Warfare. MWD cruisers would be a definate pain, i think id probably think before engaging a Thorax and the like. My question is is running an AB 24/7 worse than having a MWD fueled by cap boosters for ranged work?
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:27:00 - [4] Also how effective will medium drones be at chasing and dispatching a ABing ishkur? Also is tracking with rails ok while ABing around a target? You may have noticed im a blaster person :)
Ariel Dawn SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:46:00 - [5] Ishkur: 3x Light Ion Blaster II 1x 'Upir' Small Nosferatu 1x Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters I 1x Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I 1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 2x Valkyrie II 3x Warrior/Hobgobin II Awesome DPS. MWD, tank and a Nos to run the web/scram in case of opposing nos.
Snikkt Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Katrina Coreli Also how effective will medium drones be at chasing and dispatching a ABing ishkur? Also is tracking with rails ok while ABing around a target? You may have noticed im a blaster person :) Medium drones won't have too much of a problem catching and hitting it, but they might struggle to do a decent amount of damage, however, if your Ishkur is surrounded by 5 Medium drones led by an experienced drone pilot, you can pretty much kiss it good bye, if you get webbed, or scrambled. I use 2 75mm Railgun II's on my Ishkur, and the tracking on them is great. I never have problems hitting things, and I can even use them to kill drones orbiting me. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such. Originally by: Jim Raynor Scorpion is powerful, Raven is not. Raven is easily the
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.04 21:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Ariel Dawn Ishkur: 3x Light Ion Blaster II 1x 'Upir' Small Nosferatu 1x Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters I 1x Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I 1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 2x Valkyrie II 3x Warrior/Hobgobin II Awesome DPS. MWD, tank and a Nos to run the web/scram in case of opposing nos. Corect me if im wrong but 2 Med NOS will completely shut you down and you wont be able to escape. As to the other guy 75mm rails the range isnt fantastic Are you using the plate 2 x 75mm and 2 NOS setup?
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.03.04 22:31:00 - [8] i use 4x small nos and MWD with the nos runnign you can run the MWD scram and small repper all running which makes it a very nice setup. i have also used an ishkur with 4x small nos and a shield repper
Snikkt Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.04 22:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Katrina Coreli Originally by: Ariel Dawn Ishkur: 3x Light Ion Blaster II 1x 'Upir' Small Nosferatu 1x Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters I 1x Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I 1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 2x Valkyrie II 3x Warrior/Hobgobin II Awesome DPS. MWD, tank and a Nos to run the web/scram in case of opposing nos. Corect me if im wrong but 2 Med NOS will completely shut you down and you wont be able to escape. As to the other guy 75mm rails the range isnt fantastic Are you using the plate 2 x 75mm and 2 NOS setup? Range is about 10-11Km Optimal with my skills, so I've got a comfortable falloff cushion, and no, I don't use a plate on my Ishkur, I find it kills the agility. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such. Originally by: Jim Raynor Scorpion is powerful, Raven is not. Raven is easily the
Nylian Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.04 22:54:00 - [10] Edited by: Nylian on 04/03/2007 22:51:31 Originally by: Katrina Coreli Edited by: Katrina Coreli on 04/03/2007 12:39:40 I was just wondering what you were all doing with your ishkurs for pvp these days. With the abundence of NOS on cruisers i see 2 options open to me. NOS 4 x NOS setups hold up ok but still getting in range is going to be risky. Range Im going to test this later but id be interested in any thoughts you have, cap is a massive problem on this ship so i figured a neaded several Cap Relays. I wanted to orbit around 18km and stay out of NOS range while holding them down. First Idea Highs 3 x 125 mm lls (Good tracking and decent enough range for my purposes. 1 x Unsure, no nead for a NOS and i couldnt fit one anyway. Meds 1 x Tech 2 AB (Low cap ussage, hopefully it will work for staying out of range 1 x Warp Disruptor 1 x Best Named Cap Recharger (To keep the ship on the move) Lows 1 x Tech 2 SAR 1 x Tech 2 Exp Hard 1 x Cap Relay It looks nice on paper, cap holds up ok. Testing will show whether a Tech 2 Ab will be enough to stay out of range, there is still enough of a tank (I hope) to take abit of a beating. Damage isnt great but it doesnt have to be, i just want to stay out of range and bleed cruisers and the like to death. Thoughts? I think you're definitely on the right track, however while an AB may serve for most purposes all you need is a cruiser that has a mwd and you're toast. Considering the majority of other pvp ships DO have a mwd, almost a necessity imo. That combined with a cap injector would be great, if it'll fit. As far as using the 4th high slot, haven't really found anything useful besides a salvager. As far as the T2 hardener, if I'm not mistaken the cap requirements on that are horrendous compared to the N-Type hardeners (which I use on mine) haven't looked at the stats in a while so I could be way off. :)

Phish1 Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:58:00 - [11] 2 nos, 2 125mm AC II best named MWD, web, 20k SAR II, 200mm RT plate, DC 2 valk IIs, 3 warrior IIs (AF 4) 3 valk IIs, 2 warrior IIs (AF 5)
Axitikus Minmatar Chaos Reborn The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.03.05 01:09:00 - [12] Edited by: Axitikus on 05/03/2007 01:07:17 2x 75mm Gatling Rail II, 2x named small nos Named MWD, x5 web, fleeting 20k scram Energized reactive membrane II, Damage Control II, Small armor rep II Warrior II's With the damage control you will get more effective hp due to your high hull hp amount than you would with a plate. Also as dmg control II's are really cheap now there is no excuse for fitting a cheaper one. --------------------------- An Ishkur is EVE-related imo
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.05 07:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Nylian Edited by: Nylian on 04/03/2007 22:51:31 I think you're definitely on the right track, however while an AB may serve for most purposes all you need is a cruiser that has a mwd and you're toast. Considering the majority of other pvp ships DO have a mwd, almost a necessity imo. That combined with a cap injector would be great, if it'll fit. As far as using the 4th high slot, haven't really found anything useful besides a salvager. As far as the T2 hardener, if I'm not mistaken the cap requirements on that are horrendous compared to the N-Type hardeners (which I use on mine) haven't looked at the stats in a while so I could be way off. :) Im sorry i should have made that clearer, its a passive Exp Hard, Reactive Mebrane or what have ya. The reason my first thought was a perma AB is i like sustainability, for this ship id like to take on even fairly high tanked cruisers and just Ab around them till they burn. With MWDs sustainability is damned near impossible. Will rail guns still track if im MWD orbiting? Also have you tried a Small Remote Armor Rep in the last high?
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.05 07:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Nylian Edited by: Nylian on 04/03/2007 22:51:31 I think you're definitely on the right track, however while an AB may serve for most purposes all you need is a cruiser that has a mwd and you're toast. Considering the majority of other pvp ships DO have a mwd, almost a necessity imo. That combined with a cap injector would be great, if it'll fit. As far as using the 4th high slot, haven't really found anything useful besides a salvager. As far as the T2 hardener, if I'm not mistaken the cap requirements on that are horrendous compared to the N-Type hardeners (which I use on mine) haven't looked at the stats in a while so I could be way off. :) Im sorry i should have made that clearer, its a passive Exp Hard, Reactive Mebrane or what have ya. The reason my first thought was a perma AB is i like sustainability, for this ship id like to take on even fairly high tanked cruisers and just Ab around them till they burn. With MWDs sustainability is damned near impossible. Will rail guns still track if im MWD orbiting? Also have you tried a Small Remote Armor Rep in the last high?
Ren Tales Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.05 07:51:00 - [15] 3x 125mm rails (scout not II, for cap reasons) mwd, 20km scram (preferably fleeting, again for cap) small cap booster with 200s small armor rep, energized EXP plate, dc. Keet at range or orbit around 14km with plutonium ammo. Decent DPS and the cap holds easily. I dont know how many time I'll have to post this setup before someone besides me uses it... ----
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.05 17:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Ren Tales 3x 125mm rails (scout not II, for cap reasons) mwd, 20km scram (preferably fleeting, again for cap) small cap booster with 200s small armor rep, energized EXP plate, dc. Keet at range or orbit around 14km with plutonium ammo. Decent DPS and the cap holds easily. I dont know how many time I'll have to post this setup before someone besides me uses it... Not anymore ;) With the sig radius boosts are you still able to avoid most of the damage from cruiser sized guns?
Ren Tales Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.06 00:23:00 - [17] Edited by: Ren Tales on 06/03/2007 00:23:49 Originally by: Katrina Coreli Originally by: Ren Tales 3x 125mm rails (scout not II, for cap reasons) mwd, 20km scram (preferably fleeting, again for cap) small cap booster with 200s small armor rep, energized EXP plate, dc. Keet at range or orbit around 14km with plutonium ammo. Decent DPS and the cap holds easily. I dont know how many time I'll have to post this setup before someone besides me uses it... Not anymore ;) With the sig radius boosts are you still able to avoid most of the damage from cruiser sized guns? Just like an old fashioned pre-rev nanoship I don't perma run the MWD. It's for getting in range and for staying at range if a smart cruiser tries to MWD you into web range. Orbiting at 300ms with a frig sig radius works quite well. Note: have killed moas, thoraxes, caracals, and a single clumsy hurricane in this ship. ----
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:31:00 - [18] I got roasted by corp m8s Retrib, i guess i should avoid them :)
Rainsdon Exiled.	Posted - 2007.03.25 13:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Rainsdon on 25/03/2007 13:44:08 Many fittings for this wonderfully built ship: VampKur - H 4x Named/T2 Small NOS M Scram, Web, Named/AB II Then for the lows; YOu can have pretty much anything that tickles your fancy; 2x SAR II, Power Mod II or SAR II, DC II/Exp Hardner II, Power Mod II T2 drones to fit your skill. RailKur - My current fittings: H 3x 125mm II, Named Small NOS M Scram, Web, AB II And again, whatever you want in the lows, I use: SAR II, MFS II, DC II Drones to fit your skill. BlastKur - H 3x Nuet II w/ Void, Named Small NOS M T2 AB, Web, Scram L SAR II, Whatever makes it fit and work is up to you. Drones to fit skill. ~ You could change the blaster types on this set-up to fit a mwd. I personally don't need too if I'm in a gang. Solo - Mabye. I use all 3 set-ups for Cruiser Killing Solo PvP & Roaming Gang PvP Ops. It's whatever I feel like using. `Rain` Recruitment Open
Sebastian Fawkes	Posted - 2007.05.06 02:50:00 - [20] My current setup is as follows: High: 3 x 150mm Railgun II Med: 1 x 1MN Afterburner II 1 x J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor 1 x Cap Recharger II Low: 1 x Damage Control II 1 x Cap Relay II 1 x Specific Resistance Plating II or Overdrive Injector System II or anything else that fits Drones: 5 x Hobgoblin II Cap lasts forever as long as I'm not being drained. Unfortunately the setup hasn't performed well in PvP combat; I usually orbit at around 15 KM, running the AB, and yet still take quite a bit of damage. Any suggestions? Is this setup worth keeping or not?

Gladiator Jonny	Posted - 2007.05.06 15:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Sebastian Fawkes My current setup is as follows: High: 3 x 150mm Railgun II Med: 1 x 1MN Afterburner II 1 x J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor 1 x Cap Recharger II Low: 1 x Damage Control II 1 x Cap Relay II 1 x Specific Resistance Plating II or Overdrive Injector System II or anything else that fits Drones: 5 x Hobgoblin II Cap lasts forever as long as I'm not being drained. Unfortunately the setup hasn't performed well in PvP combat; I usually orbit at around 15 KM, running the AB, and yet still take quite a bit of damage. Any suggestions? Is this setup worth keeping or not? probabily better to swap the recharger for booster tbh. drop that damn cap relay and fit a exp hardner or atleast an energized reactive II. and for the love of god. fit a smal armor rep, if needs be just fit smaller guns.
Sebastian Fawkes	Posted - 2007.05.06 16:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Gladiator Jonny probabily better to swap the recharger for booster tbh. drop that damn cap relay and fit a exp hardner or atleast an energized reactive II. and for the love of god. fit a smal armor rep, if needs be just fit smaller guns. Completely unsustainable with a Small Armor Repairer II, and using a booster over a recharger seems to be subject mostly to personal preference, as they both perform roughly the same. If I'm not against someone who deals explosive damage, what's the point of hardening against it?
Gladiator Jonny	Posted - 2007.05.06 21:49:00 - [23] completely unsustainable? your doing pvp not feckin missions dude. btw. without a rep, your armor is unsustainable.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Ren Tales 3x 125mm rails (scout not II, for cap reasons) mwd, 20km scram (preferably fleeting, again for cap) small cap booster with 200s small armor rep, energized EXP plate, dc. Keet at range or orbit around 14km with plutonium ammo. Decent DPS and the cap holds easily. I dont know how many time I'll have to post this setup before someone besides me uses it... I use an Incursus that is set up like that, so that is what I was going to post. A little different thought here: How about 150 rails(maybe need a MAPC to make them fit) and a speedtank or damage mods?
BuyMyToasters Caldari Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:50:00 - [25] This one is fun 0.75PG and 0.75CPU left... Quote: ==[ ISHKUR ]== HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 9 \| 15] Small Diminishing Power System Drain I - [ 9 \| 15] Small Diminishing Power System Drain I - [ 9 \| 15] Small Diminishing Power System Drain I - [ 9 \| 15] Small Diminishing Power System Drain I MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 10 \| 15] Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters - [ 1 \| 20] 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I - [ 1 \| 32] Faint Warp Prohibitor I LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 6 \| 6] Small Armor Repairer II - [ 1 \| 30] Damage Control II - [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II RIG-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 100] Ancillary Current Router I - [ 0] Empty Slot (Add to taste, Nanobot Accelerator sounds like fun or maybe a exp resist) DRONE BAY : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - You're call again: Mediums/Lights for max dmg, lights if you like to have backups. el oh el sig
Xasz G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.05.27 04:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Xasz on 27/05/2007 04:55:15 I use: 4x Small 'Knave' Nosferatu 1x Cold-Gas Arcjet Thruster 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x X5 web 1x Small Armor Rep II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Damage Control II 2x Hammerhead II 3x Hobgoblin II (I have assault ships 4) Pretty good general purpose setup. I've tried varying the nos with 2 guns with varied degrees of success... so far it seems the nos is fairly superior. EDIT: Don't really rig it, doesn't seem all that worth it to me, but if you're going for anything, I'd do cap rigs.
Atreides Horza toxicology	Posted - 2007.07.13 07:06:00 - [27] Hmmm.... Let's see... The 4-nos ishkur works rather well. You'll find that a nos domi won't even be able to clean you out if you have decent skills. Biggest problems I've had with it was running into a vexor with small nos/neuts. As such, the 4-nos version IMO is essential to surviving PvP considering that everyone, everyone's mother and the horse she rode in on uses NOS these days. Problem then is doing the dmg needed to get the job done, and while them drones might've done it pre-Revelations, it's no longer gonna happen. Ships have become too durable to take them out in time. Ironically, drones have received no bonuses to make them last longer... Concerning ranged Ishkurs, I had much success with one particular setup, based around power diagnostics, t2 rails, cap booster, mwd and cap recharge rigs + a t2 warp disruptor. It'd allow you to run the mwd indefinitely, tackle AND kill at 21 km. However, keeping drones alive are hard as hell, you DON'T wanna get caught at less than 10km AND a price tag close to that of a t2 fitted myrmi makes it a ship not to be flown without that certain je ne sais quois + 10 gallons of testicular fortitude.
Gaige Gamba	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Atreides Horza a price tag close to that of a t2 fitted myrmi makes it a ship not to be flown without that certain je ne sais quois + 10 gallons of testicular fortitude. Win.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:50:00 - [29] Put an offlined remote armor rep in your high. You never know when you'll have to rep a drone or friend of yours during downtime. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:32:00 - [30] I prefer nos or range setups. Nos setup: 4x knave nos named mwd, scram, web sar II, 200mm plate, mapc Range setup: 3x 125mm t2 rails t2 mwd, t2 disrupt, micro cap booster sar II, dc II, eanm II medium and light explosive drones



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