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Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:48:00 - [1] More maps = win. Nice that you've gone a different route to the one taken by Joshua and the Goons. Definitely keep it updated. I might stick links to all the maps in my sig, since we're getting so many these days. -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 20:06:00 - [2] Originally by: Xeliya Can you put Fallen Souls for North Paragon (GQ2 Area) Otherwise nice map I don't think it works like that, mate. If you want that part of the map, you've got to have more sovereignty than anyone else. If you don't got it, the map maker isn't going to change it --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 20:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei I really like this map, mostly because it is objective and it sounds like it is automated so it can be done more often then the map updates that Josh or the Goons do. There are some downsides to it like not knowing which regions are warzones or not which can only be covered with human intervention. Or would it, I wonder if you can use that map program once a day to detect the latest number of kills in the last twenty four hours over a week period and have it automatically label a region being a warzone or not, could you? The good thing about having multiple maps is that you can always compare. This map is excellent for seeing simply who has sov / stations in which space, but, as you say, lacks conflict information. Both Josh's map and Goons' map have detail about conflicts (Josh has more detail about the small alliances, little details and such, while Goons has more info on the big campaign of the hour at the expense of smaller groups). On their own, all 3 have serious flaws. But looking at all 3, and you can get an excellent idea as to whats going on in the universe. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 23:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Edited by: Thoric Frosthammer on 04/03/2007 23:45:02 Originally by: Roller Edited by: Roller on 04/03/2007 22:43:22 Originally by: Extreme X-Pact is not on the map. We claim the WXB-RY constellation You really need to read the OP. The beauty of this map is that it displays in game facts .. not political contrivances. This probably wouldn't be easy to do .. but if you could give your map a little memory .. as in graphicall represent the changes in influence from the previous map. It's not a political contrivance, they have a station and pos's there. I lived in B-7 with them before invictus took over YM. I think he just missed the outpost. It is a very interesting concept for a map though. I think it may be overweighting pos's though. One system with an outpost can easily control a couple neighboring constellations depending on the region's layout, while a pos may be just for moon mining and not reflect any real concentration of people in the area at all. As a result, the practical result may be different from the mathematically weighted result. For example, I think you may find, particularly in the new regions, that the "influence" of some of the entities you have there is considerably less than portrayed. I'd honestly stick to outpost systems in calculating this, with some very small % tossed in for pos's. You'd probably find that resulting in a more accurate map. He didn't miss anything, he just fed in the game data. The reason they're not showing up is because they're being swamped by overwhelming "influence" of their neighbors, which is the map working as it should (if they don't have very many POS / Outpost compared to their neighbours, then its nice to see they're not a major power).If they really want to get on the map, they needc to bung down a few more POSs and outposts --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Xeliya Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Xeliya Can you put Fallen Souls for North Paragon (GQ2 Area) Otherwise nice map I don't think it works like that, mate. If you want that part of the map, you've got to have more sovereignty than anyone else. If you don't got it, the map maker isn't going to change it Should check facts before smacking . . . I'm not smacking, its true. If its mathematically generated based on POS numbers, and they're being swamped by their neighbours with more structures, then the only way to get them on the map would be to have more POS's. And I find it useful to see who has the POS power on this map, as opposed to "political" power. We already have 2 political maps for that reference. If they have few enough starbases, comparatively, to be swamped by neighboring powers, then its an interesting fact to know. Its a shame that its likely to bruise egos, but thats not a good reason to rehash the entire structure, by changing values or similar. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:51:00 - [6] Er Paladin, your thread title's gone missing :P --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 23:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Originally by: TrippyX VERY NICE MAP!!! and to all you people that complain about "we don't show on the map" ... it's simple. put up more POS's. Mmm, yes, spending millions of isk to put up unnecessary POS's to appear on some dude's forum map... why didn't I think of that? ;) Trippy. The alternative is to just not care --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 10:43:00 - [8] I second (third? Whatever) the motion that Xelas shouldn't be the same colour as BoB. The beauty of this map is that politics don't play any part- it JUST shows who has sovereignty where. Xelas do claim physical sovereignty, if not political, so you should be able to see them on the map. Make them a similar colour (maybe the same colour as FIX, to make it a uniform "BoB's residents / slaves / pets / insert name here" colour). Don't surrender your allegiance to unbiased neutrality just because someone's asked Also, KoS could do with a different colour. Can barely see it on the map. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:46:00 - [9] Not that I want to be picky or anything, but now FLA has majority Sov in Cloud Ring, its screwed up the labels a bit; Freelancer Alliance is now plastered in the middle of D2 Pure Blind, and the Dusk And Dawn label is mostly in FLA's Dek space. I don't know if thats something you can manually tweak for ease of reading. Not a big deal really, it just looks a bit silly --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Ryysa Oh, I am aware of that. There are only two ways to get the sov data. 1. Breach the EULA. 2. Be a dev or have contacts within CCP. Theres a third way- ask. It might just be as simple as the fact as he emailed Wrangler or Kieron's address and said "hey I've got this great idea- can I have access to some data?", and they worked out a deal with him. They do that kind of thing all the time for community projects. Heh, for all I know theres a fourth way of getting the data, all by yourself, without breaking the EULA. Won't know till he tells us, though --------

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Graalum somone raised this issue in another thread, on the stations in cloud ring. FLA held 2 of these, youwhat the third, but the region appeared to be overwhelmingly to be FLA dominated. I'm not sure what should be done to fix it or how, but one thought might be to make competing claims in various systems nullify eachother. For instance, if in a particular system there are 2 competing sovereigns, the one with say, 5 sovereignty points, and the other with three, instead of just showing the stronger sovereign at full strength, deduct the 3 points from the 5 to display a strength of 2. Just a guess, but its probably because we've been spamming POS's like crazy. POS's are quite weighty on this map, so the fact that we have a lot more POS's is probably making us look more all-encompassing, despite only owning 2 of 3 stations. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Ryysa Oh, I am aware of that. There are only two ways to get the sov data. 1. Breach the EULA. 2. Be a dev or have contacts within CCP. Theres a third way- ask. It might just be as simple as the fact as he emailed Wrangler or Kieron's address and said "hey I've got this great idea- can I have access to some data?", and they worked out a deal with him. They do that kind of thing all the time for community projects. Ok, seems that you have reading comprehension issues. Please re-read the part I wrote in my second point and that I have bolded for you - It is exactly what you just tried to explain. I assumed, when you said "contacts", that you meant it in a "I have contacts in the police force", sort of way. As in, "I know someone there and have some influence", as opposed to "I looked up their phone number in the phone book". And I was not flaming you- theres no need to get so smacktastic. We're only having an adult discussion --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:51:00 - [13] Oooh, ooh, I have a suggestion. The other day, there was a little rendering glitch in the Cloud ring bit of the map that showed FLA and -Y- sovereignty sort of intermingled on top of each other. That could be a nice way of showing other strong Sov holders that are getting drowned out- have their plumes shown kinda cross hatched with the majority holder. It might look butt fugly, but give it a go and see what you think, if its not too difficult. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Paladin Vent Map service is being updated for Revelations II support. There's a lot of issues because of changed sovereginty system. New maps will not be available for several days. How are you going to deal with the new 4 tier Sov? Are they all gonna have the same Influence power, or are 4's going to be worth more? --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 09:54:00 - [15] Anyone else having difficulty opening today's map? It keeps prompting me for a password... --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 12:22:00 - [16] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Disteeler Edited by: Disteeler on 28/06/2007 10:39:23 What the hell, why is the map showing npc space deployed poses? should I suppose those are switched off poses in not-claiming mode or something? I heard there is a bug which allows to claim sov. up to level 2 in NPC space. Not sure if it gives any bonuses or allow claiming stations. OMG, I never even thought of that. If people can claim sovereignty, they can put up outpost eggs. Might this bug lead us to the first player owned station in Empire space? --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 12:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Paladin Vent Originally by: HydroSan Bumping in hope of update. Updated. The next update will be 07/20. I'm so tired of Russia, cold and bears. Going to rest in some hot sea country. Sooo.........Wheres the map we were promised? It's the 20th, you know --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 22:50:00 - [18] So are these not daily any more? Shame. Still an awesome map though. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 10:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Sothis Antares Edited by: Sothis Antares on 06/08/2007 06:59:53 well the source refers to the following database source: "//localhost/eve" actually i just wonder from where the data is obtained originally. would be cool if someone can help with that, since it's pretty useful for other applications. thx in advance edit: yer, my english sux =P You'd think the new API project would provide that information, although I don't know whether thats where Paladin gets his (this pre-dating the API project). Other people (like Serenity Steele) use the same information in their own projects, so it must be easily obtainable. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.08 00:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Paladin Vent Here is the source code of the map (Java + MySQL). Source is under BSD license. From the OP. The data needed should be available from the EVE API. --------

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 17:44:00 - [21] Excellent work Verite, I hope you can continue to decipher his code! Glad that someone is keeping the map warm until Paladin gets back Might I suggest you post in the Maps sticky a the top (if you haven't already) and request your map be added? Most people probably don't look in this thread for their updates anymore. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 17:55:00 - [22] Originally by: IoniX Originally by: Patch86 Might I suggest you post in the Maps sticky a the top (if you haven't already) and request your map be added? Most people probably don't look in this thread for their updates anymore. Not necessary since Paladin will be coming back. Btw, when does he get back anyway We hope he's coming back. He said he was going away for a week's vacation 3 weeks ago. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Patch86 on 10/08/2007 19:50:18 Your new colours look good, although theres still a little bit of confusion at the south / south east. TCF, Rise, and Digital Renegades all have very similar colours and are neighbouring, and similarly with United Legion and IAC. EDIT: Ethereal Dawn and Invictus. too. I'd make that name label bug your priority. Some bits of the map are impossible to read if you don't already know who's there (like MC's northern holdings are completely unlabelled, since their label is lounging around in FIX's space). --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.11 11:55:00 - [24] Any chance of another day's update? I'm enjoying the regained sense of knowing what's going on --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.12 12:23:00 - [25] Thanks again Verite: you really are doing us all a massive service! Still wish Paladin would come back though; you guys could, like, totally team up Anyhow, another feature thats on Paladin's map that I find very handy is that it circles all the Sov changes on the days update with a small white circle. Would that be difficult to implement? --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 21:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Trestina Resheen I noticed the map from august 3rd is still up. Is there a new one coming soon? Read the last two pages, young padawan. Notably, the post right above your one --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Teron D'Amun Originally by: Verite Rendition Updated Dark Matter Coalition and Oxide name plates overlap one another and that cyan patch in the north has no owner listed I know it belongs to MC and has the same colour than their space in Period Basis but both territories are so far off to one another that it isn't clear who is claiming sov there The text is a known issue, I can't fix it on my own, I need either Paladin's newer code or a better coder than I to come up with an algorithm to deal with it. Your experimental algorithm a day or so ago worked fairly nicely. I know it meant that the bigger alliances had about 5 copies of their name label on their larger clumps of territory, but I didn't think that was necessarily a bad thing. Was just more...thorough --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.17 12:30:00 - [28] GJ guys! Looks good! So are you going to release the updated source code? --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.18 21:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Kaven Kantrix Looks great. Now, can you get the link to this updated map in the map list thread? Its still pointing to the old one that hasnt been updated in a long time. It doesnt have to replace it, but it should at least be listed. I agree. Theres no harm getting it added as it's own map entry, even if just for the time being. --------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Uncle ScroogeMcduck Is there a September update available? Last update seems a long time ago! Verite does it these days instead. See here. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!

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