#1. I don't have a tech moon.

no further reasons required.

But to the point, Tech moons need to be rebalanced equaly for all regions.

Can you show me evidence of a NIP between the tech-holding alliances in the game?

It doesn't exist.

In any case, tech IS getting nerfed.

Why would people want to fight over regions if everything was distributed fairly? We are not after a magical happy poneyland in space, this games thrives on conflict, and the yearning for more wealth (aka more power) is one of the biggest driving forces.

Don't forget the need for greed, betrayal and downright sabotage that is driven by the lust for more ISK.

But to the point, Tech moons need to be rebalanced equaly for all regions.

Not really, no, but perhaps it's time to shift the T2 bottleneck to some other kind of gooGǪ

Not really, no, but perhaps it's time to shift the T2 bottleneck to some other kind of gooGǪ

Not really, no, but perhaps it's time to shift the T2 bottleneck to some other kind of gooGǪ

There should not be a "must have" moon, and R64s should not be worthless. There should be regional R32s that are more desirable than others, but not to the point where one single moon mineral is the main T2 bottleneck.

The simplest solution to this would be to introduce some of the missing alchemy reactions. This would at least establish some bounds of mineral value relative to each other.

What do u mean by this?

There is currently no alchemy reaction for Technetium. If one was introduced, people would do it as long as the input moon minerals and the cost of running the reaction is lower than of the resulting Tech.
By doing so, the supply for Tech would increase, lowering it's market value, while the demand for the alchemy minerals would increase, raising their market value.
Effectively, Tech would experience a soft upper value cap relative to the cost of the alchemy minerals and of running the reaction. Likewise, the alchemy reaction input minerals would experience a minimum value floor relative to the value of the resulting tech.

This removes the Tech bottleneck as long as the alchemy input materials are not bottlenecked themselves. This is a simplification and there are some underlying assumptions, but that's basically it.

Honestly, scarcity and uneven distribution is a good thing as it creates things to fight over. Everything being similar and evenly good creates for a dull landscape. From that POV I agree to how it is atm; if you want something you'll have to take it, preferably from someone else. It's like the old T2 cartels and even though I I don't profit from it I approve as it's very much EVE.

The problem is Tech being AND amazingly profitable AND very localised in distribution. It's a bit too much.

moon distribution in eve

2x harvesting arrays on 1 moon, harvesting 200 per hour

Monthy hours 30 days x 24 = 720

Current moon goo value *200 goo* 720 hours = profit a month

Caesium..............2936,97*200*720 = 422.923.680 ISK
Technetium...........100.975,76*200*720= 14.540.509.440 ISK
Hafnium................1999,99*200*720= 287.998.560 ISK
Mercury..................3779,63*200*720= 544.266.720 ISK

Promethium.......5509,44*200*720= 793.359.360 ISK
Dysprosium.......9698*200*720 = 1.396.512.000 ISK
Neodymium.......20396,99*200*720= 2.937.166.560 ISK
Thulium..............2426,84*200*720= 349.464.960 ISK


#1. Technetium moons are the most centralised moons in EVE
#2. The Regions in where Technetium is located forms a geographic island witch greatly benefits its defenders
#3. A techitium cartel has been formed witch doesnt sell under 100,000 ISK p/u due reson #1
#4. The income compared to other R32 moons is so much more hugh that there need to be somthing broken
#5. The hugh income from #3 & #1 has a too big effect on 0.0 politic situation.
#6. After the T2 material change, T2 ships got more expensive whitchs has negative effect on pvp
#7. The NIP between the Techcartel allows people to build tech funded supercapital production risk free
#8. The unfair ISK income makes it unpossible to break the Tech Cartel
#9. 1 R32 moon has 6 x more value than the most profitable R64 moon yet the R64 is more rare
#10. Someone was sleeping the last T2 ship materiala got change
#11. There must be something wrong if even the holders say the gain too much isk form the moons
#12. 269 X 14,540 million = 3900,5 Billion isk go-¦s into 2-3 Allainces EACH MONTH

Let The Trolling Begin!!

There is currently no alchemy reaction for Technetium. If one was introduced, people would do it as long as the input moon minerals and the cost of running the reaction is lower than of the resulting Tech.
By doing so, the supply for Tech would increase, lowering it's market value, while the demand for the alchemy minerals would increase, raising their market value.
Effectively, Tech would experience a soft upper value cap relative to the cost of the alchemy minerals and of running the reaction. Likewise, the alchemy reaction input minerals would experience a minimum value floor relative to the value of the resulting tech.

This removes the Tech bottleneck as long as the alchemy input materials are not bottlenecked themselves. This is a simplification and there are some underlying assumptions, but that's basically it.

I think we all can agree on the fact that tech definitely needs some tweaking, even the duders that are holding tech moons at the moment. Nevertheless tech shouldn't be nerfed into oblivion as it's one factor that generates fights. With the nerf of jump bridges and sanctums ccp ****** with 0.0 already, if they go on and nerf moon goo in general as well, there wont be any reason to live and fight in 0.0 space anymore.

In my opinion we just need to have the other moon mins like neo moons in the south balanced.

those 3900 billion isk pumped in the ecomoy devide trough 5b = 780 moons worth fighting over, tech issue solved, more stuff to fight over, cheaper pvp ships, problem fixed.

Not a single ISK is being injected into the economy through moon mining btw.

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2x harvesting arrays on 1 moon, harvesting 200 per hour

Yea


But to the point, Tech moons need to be rebalanced equaly for all regions.

Best offered idea I think the player base came up with was make them deplete and spawn new "veins" of moon goo elsewhere on other moons, which may, or may not lead to more fighting over territory.

I agree with you partly. R32-¦s and R64-¦s are worth fighting aslong as they have enough value. At the moment only Technetium is worth fighing over. I totaly agree with tech being bothleneck and being the most localised moongoo.

As a director myselve, 2b moon value isnt worth it, 3b is a bit more interesting, 4b is interesting, 5+ ish B for any R64 is worth fighting. With value, pos investment must be conciderd aswell. A 2b moon, requirs a pos and fuel, pos 1b, fuel 300m a month?

Moons need to deplete and then present other types of minerals

Not really, no, but perhaps it's time to shift the T2 bottleneck to some other kind of gooGǪ

Yeah...
Its time to nerf something again.
Nerf rifters allso

If only your posting could be nerfed.

Spoken like somebody who's never had to go scan down moons, also it removes the desire to fight over space.

By the time you probe the moons, set up the miners and get everything going the moon moves, so you have to tear everything down and start again.

Regional conflicts would simply die, why bother fighting over space, just wait for the moons to come back around, or even worse, by the time a war gets under way, the moons have moved making the war a moot point

Not a single ISK is being injected into the economy through moon mining btw.

Also all R64s should be available via alchemy.

how did nobody mock this idiot on the first page for not knowing literally the first thing about moon mining: you can't mine the same mineral twice on a single moon.

Technetium is stupid and broken but having to moonscan the whole of eve every couple of months because the minerals switched again would be even more, and would solve none of the issues with it.

Also laffo at the idea that we have a Tech Cartel NIP whilst we've spent the whole week blowing up and stealing White Noise's moons in Branch.

I think a lot of you are missing a core point of real life and eve economy. The golden rule says "the one who has the gold, makes the rules".

Do you know how long have those moons producing those ammounts of isk been in the same hands? A long time is an anwser satisfactory for me...

bzzt wrong

the vast majority of tech moons changed hands in the collapse of the nc relatively recently