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Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 00:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Archbishop on 05/03/2007 00:07:24 "The Truth Will Set You Free".... six simple words. With the overwhelming success of my previous sermons about the disgusting Gallente I was inspired to begin a new series of sermons on the topics of TRUTH and VIRTUE. What are truth and virtue? Well the Intergalactic Dictionary defines them as follows: Main Entry: truth Pronunciation: \ˈtrnth\ 1 aarchaic : fidelity, constancy b: sincerity in action, character, and utterance2 a (1): the state of being the case : fact (2): the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality (3)often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true <truths of thermodynamics> c: the body of true statements and propositions3 a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality. Main Entry: virtue Pronunciation: \ˈvər-(ˌ)chn\ 1 a: conformity to a standard of right : morality b: a particular moral excellence2plural : an order of angels ù see celestial hierarchy3: a beneficial quality or power of a thing4: manly strength or courage : valor5: a commendable quality or trait : merit6: a capacity to act : potency7: chastity especially in a woman. Each sermon will focus on one truth designed to counter a myth propogated by the enemies of God and Amarr. These lies, told by terrorists and others of the lessor races, do nothing but attempt to mislead and confuse the weak minded bringing anarchy and decay to our society. They will be discussed as "MYTH" versus "TRUTH" and in this format as the truth will counter each lie and show it for what it is as all will come to understand the reality of Amarr and our generous race. Today I bring you SERMON #1 on TRUTH with a topic brought forth by Rodj Blake. SERMON #1 MYTH: Amarrians steal Minmatar from their homes and families. TRUTH: The vast majority of slaves are actually purchased on the open markets in Minmatar space and are in fact sold BY MINMATAR themselves. Even with this though the vast number of slaves in the Amarrian Empire are the result of breeding programs designed to create more beings to enlighten and bring to God. Thus the "stealing" of Minmatar is clearly a lie. SERMON: Where to begin? The age old argument against slavery and the endless fight by the terrorist rabble against the Amarrians. But what is the truth? The truth is clearly spoken above in stating that the majority of Minmatar are legally purchased and even more are bred in Amarrian breeding farms designed to give this race a real future. If they are bred in Amarr are they not citizens of the Empire of a fashion? Certainly they are slaves but Amarr is their home as well. Then it could be said the terrorists are the ones "stealing" slaves when they kill slavers and bring them back to Minmatar space couldn't it? A fact the terrorists seem to have forgotten. But what of those in the Empire now? Well these slaves have already wasted their lives before God by being Minmatar. Now we give them a chance to make something of their lives. This virtue of the Amarr, that of GENEROSITY, is truly evident in all we do. But what of the Minmatar? When faced with the truth above they would simply deny it, call us slavers and threaten to kill us, where we bring peace and enlightenment they bring violence and terror. Who is the more virtuous? Clearly the Amarr in all our actions are the ethical ones. So the myth that the Amarr "steal" slaves is clearly refuted as the truth of our actions is made clear. The truth of God and Amarr will set free the souls of the Minmatar and bring them peace. A truth they can not refute. The Truth Will Set You Free. Archishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.03.05 00:17:00 - [2] Your Beatitude, such expounding of the truth knows no parallel. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) Delictum 23216 Official forums
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.05 00:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Verone on 05/03/2007 00:21:02 Originally by: Archbishop the disgusting Gallente I'm flattered, that's the nicest thing anyone other than my finaceT has called me all week. As for the rest? The usual brainwashed drivelling of an old man past his time. 10 points for amusement though, this one is up there with the "sin" of lust. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.05 02:55:00 - [4] Archbishop, How did the Minmatar people come to be an enslaved people? (And by this I am seeking an objective description of the observable/physical events which led to the culture's situation)
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.05 03:30:00 - [5] Amarrian loyalists are so cute when they start to go senile. "Invasion? Slave raids? What? Oh, posh. That's a rumor!" _
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.05 04:19:00 - [6] Precisely. The relevant historical information is here: The Day of Darkness Nothing more needs to be said.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.05 04:42:00 - [7] If the Minmatar wish to abandon the shackles of slavery the must rise up wit all violence and fury that is needed to defeat the Amarr. By their defeat in battle, the Minmatar have consigned themselves to slavery.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 04:58:00 - [8] The "Day of Darkness" is a fairy tale told by Minmatar parents to their youths to bring them to hate the Amarrians before they even meet us. Of course some slaver ships did round up a few Minmatar refugees and bring them to safety in Amarr but I would hardly call it an "invasion". Likewise while these were "slaver ships" they were on a rescue mission to save the downtrodden beasts of Pator and bring them to the holy light of God. I don't even see mention in that propoganda article about "making them slaves". Probably written by a Gallente no doubt. Likewise when you asked "how did the Minmatar become enslaved?" your tone indicates hostility when in fact you should be showing some gratitude. Was it not the Amarr who redescovered Jumpgate technology? Was it not the Amarr who arrived to rescue the Minmatar from themselves? Was it not the Amarr who have selflessly shown God to the heathens and given them the opportunity to reach Enlightenment? You should be grateful. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Archbishop Was it not the Amarr who redescovered Jumpgate technology? Was it not the Amarr who arrived to rescue the Minmatar from themselves? Was it not the Amarr who have selflessly shown God to the heathens and given them the opportunity to reach Enlightenment? You should be grateful. Archbishop Was it not the Amarr who enslaved billions against their will? Was it not the Amarr who worked millions to death in the various mines, plantation, and factories in which they were being "enlightened"? Was it not the Amarr who introduced vitoc? Finally, is it not the Amarr who turn a blind eye to these so called "rogue slavers" who regularly raid Republic and Federation space with ships that (right down to the registration files) scream "Amarr Navy"? Once again the Imperials squeeze out another steaming pile of lies and paint it as the truth. We've all heard this before; if your going to dump another rhetorical bucket of slop and call it a sermon, at least present some new lies for Gal-net viewers to shoot down. -Caesar ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:22:00 - [10] The ability to dismiss history as propaganda is clearly a skill for which the implant technology is readily available in the Empire. Either that, or you are approaching a level of insanity nearly on par with Scagga, who doesn't seem to believe that the Republic exists.

Koshmarnaya Akula Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:47:00 - [11] I didn't know it was your time of the month.
MirrorGod	Posted - 2007.03.05 07:24:00 - [12] Death to PIE.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:19:00 - [13] Another wonderful sermon, Archbishop. ----------------------------------------------
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:22:00 - [14] Originally by: MirrorGod Death to PIE. Who is this maligned misanthrope? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) Delictum 23216 Official forums
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: MirrorGod Death to PIE. Who is this maligned misanthrope? The dust beneath my feet. ----------------------------------------------
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Occasus Vim Precisely. The relevant historical information is here: The Day of Darkness Nothing more needs to be said. Ha! The Matari cannot stop regurgitating this Gallente filth. I have recently spoken out against such calumny, which I will refer you to, the TRUTH Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) Delictum 23216 Official forums
T Dave Gallente The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:00:00 - [17] Myth: It is beneficial to the life of a human being to be taken into slavery. Truth: All individuals are born free. Free of malice, free of hatred, free of anger, free of 'responsibilities'. Rhetoric perpetuates the myth to the level it currently resides at, whereby all those raised on such falsehoods believe them as 'God-given' truths. This rhetoric occurs on both sides of the equation and varies from person to person. It would be just as wrong to presume all Amarr are slavers as it would be to presume all Minmatar find slavery abhorrent and actively seek to oppose it. The reason for this? Everybody is born free and develops their own attitudes based on their experiences. Slavery denies this. That is a base truth. If it wasn't, such things as Vitoc would not be necessary, nor would such stringent rules for keeping the slaves in line be required. Equally it would be wrong to assume all slavers act the same, but judging on communications one sees and hears on GalNet and through NeoCom journals, the vast majority, unfortunately, do adopt this approach. There exists narrow-mindedness on both sides of the argument, although at the base level the instinct that slavery is wrong appears to be morally and legally correct. If it is not, I suggest we dissolve all empires and become slaves under Concord, and see how it works - if we, descendants of the original Eve travellers, can not cooperate on a level playing field, let's allow the one neutral body we have established to control us. I guarantee nobody would be happy with that scenario. I apologise that I just cannot buy in to all the information pushed out by the Slavers (of whatever race) that such an attitude is beneficial and progressive, but also I cannot always agree with the responses given by the anti-slavers. With such a heated topic it is easy to go too far in an attempt to get victory. "Death to PIE" is not an appropriate attitude, in my humble opinion. It will not solve the problems faced each and every day, and it will not make them go away. -- T Dave
Gavit Torash	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:47:00 - [18] A rousing sermon Archbishop. I have made this required watching for my household. Continue in your good work. -- Lord Torash Head of House Torash
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 23:53:00 - [19] Thank you Lord Torash I am honored. I shall continue to do the work of God in support of our mighty Empire. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Darina Rea	Posted - 2007.03.06 00:42:00 - [20] Ofcourse the keyword in your lovely sermon here, is the word majority. Let me fetch the whole sentence to put this into perspective shall we? Quote: The truth is clearly spoken above in stating that the majority of Minmatar are legally purchased and even more are bred in Amarrian breeding farms designed to give this race a real future. Now I can't say exactly how many slave there are bred in those farms unfortunatly, however, I'm for a moment assuming that the farm bred slaves are the majority of the legal slavemarket and as such are never kidnapped out of different society. Henceforth this group of slaves is of an enterily different category then the slaves that aren't breeded in captivity. And which leads us to the ultimate conclusion: the truth is that a majority of the total slave population isn't there because they want to be slaves. They have been bred and raised as slaves. The other truth is that the majority of a minority are slaves because they had bad luck and have been kidnapped, sold and are now slaves. The last truth is that the minority of a minority is a slave because they actively choise to be just that. Clearly, the Amarr hold people against their wishes. Also clearly, alot of these people don't even know their wishes. And clearly, this little sermon doesn't dispell the truth that the Amarr buy kidnapped people in the least. _________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) Time is on our side.

Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:29:00 - [21] Ah, the old 'we were saving the Minmatar, they should be grateful' argument. You realize that most Minmatar do not recognize enslavement as 'saving' them, so you would be well advised to try another argument. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ. Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
Eris Davion	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Archbishop TRUTH: The vast majority of slaves are actually purchased on the open markets in Minmatar space and are in fact sold BY MINMATAR themselves. I can't quite call this statement a lie, so much as an error by definition. The people who put our brothers and sisters on market as slaves are, by definition, not Minmatar - regardless of what blood may run through their veins. They have forsaken their tribal identity, that which would make them Minmatar, and adopted Amarran behaviours in pursuit of personal gain. That makes them Ammatar. Regrettably, because of the shared genetic similarities, they cannot be easily spotted as the spies and traitors that they are. And due to unfortunate loopholes in interspacial law and the realities of galactic travel, it is even more difficult to prosecute them as such without engaging in vigilante activities.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2007.03.06 03:14:00 - [23] A beautiful sermon, Lord Archbishop. Even with some cultivated and interesting replies by those who aren't wrong. But I'll leave you to reply to them, for your wisdom is far greater than mine. --------------------- Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:48:00 - [24] Originally by: T Dave All individuals are born free. Free of malice, free of hatred, free of anger, free of 'responsibilities'..... The reason for this? Everybody is born free and develops their own attitudes based on their experiences. Slavery denies this. That is a base truth. Wrong! It is a base load of b****. None of us has chosen the status we are born to in this life. I did not choose to be created as an Amarr any more than the Minmatar slaves chose to be born slaves. We are all created to the position in life GOD has chosen to give us - who are we to deny this? It is as simple as that. Or did you perhaps imagine that you created your own startingpoint in life by a series of entries into a database? That you chose your own image by some picture processing? A man is born a slave if GOD wills it so. Period. Originally by:** T Dave ....at the base level the instinct that slavery is wrong appears to be morally and legally correct. I take it that what you are saying is that your instincts appear to be correct, simply because they are yours? Or do you claim that we all share the same instincts? I could give the exact opposite quote and it would carry the same weight as yours - actually far more weight as my quote would be backed by endless reason, compassion, sense - and most of all by the will of GOD. Originally by: T Dave ....I suggest we dissolve all empires and become slaves under Concord, and see how it works .... let's allow the one neutral body we have established to control us. You said it yourself, CONCORD is a manmade construction. We Amarr claim we should all be guided by the will of GOD. There is an immense difference. We Amarr believe that you may well have your own free will and make your own decisions in life - as long as they do not conflict with the will of GOD. Originally by: T Dave With such a heated topic it is easy to go too far in an attempt to get victory. "Death to PIE" is not an appropriate attitude, in my humble opinion. Surprisingly, I agree with you on that one. Note however, that the only ones using such battlecries are the Minmatar terrorists. You will hear no true Amarr shout "Death to the Minmatar" while many Minmatar can be heard to shout "Death to the Amarr". We are a compassionate race, and our actions are dictated by such good sentiments rather than a feeling of blind hatred. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
0utllaw Minmatar Misfits Enterprises The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:21:00 - [25] Edited by: 0utllaw on 06/03/2007 16:18:30 Originally by: Archbishop Thank you Lord Torash I am honored. I shall continue to do the work of God in support of our mighty Empire. Archbishop CONGRATULATIONS Archie, you managed to screw up the easiest job ever. You work for a nonexistant employer and you still manage to suck at your job. Noone reads the garbage you spill on the masses they just skim through it looking for more flaws in your rediculous religion. He's a simple tip. Gather your friends and useless followers, fly out as far away from the cluster as you feeble amarrian dogs can and plunge yourselves into a sun to "purify" youself for your meeting with your god. It's the best thing you could do. However, I'm sure you'll mess that up too. There are medications out there for senile old bats such as yourself. I suggest investing some ISK into them
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:15:00 - [26] Originally by: 0utllaw Edited by: 0utllaw on 06/03/2007 16:18:30 Originally by: Archbishop Thank you Lord Torash I am honored. I shall continue to do the work of God in support of our mighty Empire. Archbishop CONGRATULATIONS Archie, you managed to screw up the easiest job ever. You work for a nonexistant employer and you still manage to suck at your job. Noone reads the garbage you spill on the masses they just skim through it looking for more flaws in your rediculous religion. He's a simple tip. Gather your friends and useless followers, fly out as far away from the cluster as you feeble amarrian dogs can and plunge yourselves into a sun to "purify" youself for your meeting with your god. It's the best thing you could do. However, I'm sure you'll mess that up too. There are medications out there for senile old bats such as yourself. I suggest investing some ISK into them You really should learn to embrace reality. The reality that the Amarr are God's chosem people. The reality that the Empire is the most successful nation in human history. The reality that the Empire has been guided by God into the largest nation in the cluster. The reality that we're all still waiting for your leader to try to make good on her promise that she would burn the Empire to the ground when all that we've seen from her so far is the equivalent of a slightly wet match. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Thomas Maleficus Caldari Maleficus Inc	Posted - 2007.03.06 22:46:00 - [27] You want truth? How about this then Archbishop? I am against slavery of any sort. I don't care if it is legal in your empire, I don't care if the slaves were born in your empire. I care only that the people the Amarr enslave have no free will, no choice to move on and make their own life, no choice but to follow the will of your "god". I will kill anyone to end slavery. Your laws mean nothing to me and I will kill you should the chance arise but only because you pratice and support slavery. I may not be a part of the Ushra'Khan at the moment but that does not mean I have ended my own crusade against slavery. Now, tell me Archbishop, is that honest enough. I never fought slavery under any such pretenses as you presented. The fact is, if it were reversed, and it was you who were enslaved, I would be fighting for your freedom as well. I don't hate your people anymore Archbishop, I only hate what you do.
Eris Davion	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Wrong! It is a base load of b****. None of us has chosen the status we are born to in this life. I did not choose to be created as an Amarr any more than the Minmatar slaves chose to be born slaves. We are all created to the position in life GOD has chosen to give us - who are we to deny this? Which god, Amarran, and why does his idea of where we start so often have little to do with where we end? My father was born on one of your slavecamps, and died a free man of moderate wealth on a Gallente agricultural colony. I was born on that farm; through hard work, the sponsorship of a tribe I hardly knew and the simple gift of being pod-capable earned a scholarship in the Republic Military School. Now I fly podships in support of that tribe and the Republic, and though a pauper by podpilot standards the isk I earn in a single day would allow my entire surviving family to retire in luxury if they so wished. Do you honestly think your** god would have allowed that, had he any true power?
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Thomas Maleficus You want truth? How about this then Archbishop? I am against slavery of any sort. I don't care if it is legal in your empire, I don't care if the slaves were born in your empire. I care only that the people the Amarr enslave have no free will, no choice to move on and make their own life, no choice but to follow the will of your "god". All slaves actually have both free will and choices to make as you would put it. Any slave can choose from the following options - to embrace the proper way of GOD, to live his life in slavery or to die refusing both those options. Originally by: Thomas Maleficus I will kill anyone to end slavery. Your laws mean nothing to me and I will kill you should the chance arise but only because you pratice and support slavery. That perhaps is the great difference between us. We try our best to reform those opposing us, so that they may lead lives of value and respect. You simply kill those you disagree with. Tell me, which is the barbaric method? All slaves have a life to lead and a future to look forward to. Those whom you kill have nothing. No future. You have taken away all that they ever may have become. Originally by: Thomas Maleficus ... is that honest enough? Honest yes, but also incredibly barbaric. Words such as these convince me more than ever that your race is indeed in need of a period of "Educational Slavery". Originally by: Thomas Maleficus I don't hate your people anymore Archbishop, I only hate what you do. What we do is live out the will of GOD. If you hate what we do, you hate GOD. If you hate GOD you cannot but hate his chosen people. I pity you. That pity will not save you from the lasers of the righteous however - wether they be fired by me or others like me. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Eris Davion Which god, Amarran, and why does his idea of where we start so often have little to do with where we end? Because GOD wills it so. On the day of judgement GOD can then look upon the way you have used your life for good or evil and judge you accordingly. Those who have moved the furthest in their lives are also those that will either recieve the greatest rewards or the greatest punishments. Originally by: Eris Davion My father was born on one of your slavecamps, and died a free man of moderate wealth on a Gallente agricultural colony. I was born on that farm; through hard work, the sponsorship of a tribe I hardly knew and the simple gift of being pod-capable earned a scholarship in the Republic Military School. Now I fly podships in support of that tribe and the Republic, and though a pauper by podpilot standards the isk I earn in a single day would allow my entire surviving family to retire in luxury if they so wished. Then look upon the way you lead your life and see wether GOD will look upon it kindly or in anger. Judgement will fall accordingly. Originally by: Eris Davion Do you honestly think your god would have allowed that, had he any true power? GOD is the lord of us all wether you acknowledge the fact or not. You have chosen you path in life. And you will feel GOD's power on your day of judgement. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.



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