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Polibius
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Posted - 2007.03.05 02:14:00 -
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So say i'm trying to gank people warping to a gate in low sec with smartbombs. Would one or two battleships with eight smartbombs on em be necessary to destory a hauler in one cycle? Obviously I wouldn't be using faction smartbombs since I would probably get ganked shortly afterwards. If I could use two battleships with 16 large smartbombs what kind of untanked ship could I take out in one cycle?
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roadrage639
Caldari
SHADOW FLEET
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Posted - 2007.03.05 02:21:00 -
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yes that would insta pop it
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.05 02:26:00 -
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depends on the ship, I have a mammoth with 3 MED extender II and 2 Inv fields, it ends up with like 40, 76, 64, 52 reists and 4k+ sheild. smartbombs wouldn't kill that quick.
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Ghostshadow
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:11:00 -
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would drones attack a Smartbomed (IE, unlocked) target?.
If so, sentry drones + smart bombs could do some very nice alpha strikes
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:11:00 -
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Using named t1 smartbombs, you do 300 damage per smartbomb, per cycle.
With 16 smartbombs thats 4800 damage each cycle. If they hang around for 10 seconds more, thats 9600 damage after the second cycle....
You would get a lot of haulers, frigs, cruisers and pods if you were able to get in range.
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Polibius
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Posted - 2007.03.05 03:26:00 -
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 Originally by: jamesw
Using named t1 smartbombs, you do 300 damage per smartbomb, per cycle.
With 16 smartbombs thats 4800 damage each cycle. If they hang around for 10 seconds more, thats 9600 damage after the second cycle....
You would get a lot of haulers, frigs, cruisers and pods if you were able to get in range.
This is why I would be camping a gate that they would be warping into. From the sound of things, even if a single battleship came in to try and counter me I would have a decent time taking him down with drones and 4800 damage per cycle. So I know I would be able to instapop shuttles, frigs, and haulers and maybe a few cruisers. The thorax has more than 4800 shield/armor/hull so that would probably survive.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2007.03.05 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Polibius
From the sound of things, even if a single battleship came in to try and counter me I would have a decent time taking him down with drones and 4800 damage per cycle.
make sure you don't train energy pulses weapons too high, you will need a long cycle time to let you keep pulling in and out your drones in time to not get blasted 
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:02:00 -
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I've been bombing in low sec now for a few weeks...
I use a rokh with 8 large faction bombs and it can take a low skilled t1 hauler in 1 volley as it warps to zero. 95% of frigs insta pop.
If your in a gang the ship can sit at the WTZ point forever and just gank away... got 96 kills yesterday alone doing this, and alot of good loot.
If you wanna know more details convo me in game 
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:02:00 -
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I've been bombing in low sec now for a few weeks...
I use a rokh with 8 large faction bombs and it can take a low skilled t1 hauler in 1 volley as it warps to zero. 95% of frigs insta pop.
If your in a gang the ship can sit at the WTZ point forever and just gank away... got 96 kills yesterday alone doing this, and alot of good loot.
If you wanna know more details convo me in game
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:57:00 -
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You can't kill anyone warping to gate on zero unless you use faction smartbombs.
The only way to kill stuff with non-faction smartbombs is either sitting on an edge of a bubble in 0.0... or the Heikki way... well... Heikki way is "EXTREEEEMEEEEE", but ask him yourself :D
And what tiller said, get some lower-end faction smartbombs, get yourself a rokh with a nice booster and lots of wcs *g*, sit just in range of the wtz point and bomb away :)
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Posted - 2007.03.05 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Polibius
Originally by: jamesw
Using named t1 smartbombs, you do 300 damage per smartbomb, per cycle.
With 16 smartbombs thats 4800 damage each cycle. If they hang around for 10 seconds more, thats 9600 damage after the second cycle....
You would get a lot of haulers, frigs, cruisers and pods if you were able to get in range.
This is why I would be camping a gate that they would be warping into. From the sound of things, even if a single battleship came in to try and counter me I would have a decent time taking him down with drones and 4800 damage per cycle. So I know I would be able to instapop shuttles, frigs, and haulers and maybe a few cruisers. The thorax has more than 4800 shield/armor/hull so that would probably survive.
Just remember to factor resistances into it. You will generally do a lot less damage than 4800. Dont even think about engaging a solo battleship. Unless hes a complete noob you will die quickly. Smartbombs eat a lot of cap and like I said, resistances!
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Chavu
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 08:19:00 -
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I've seen the Heikki way. It consists of a megathron (forget if it was navy issue) wtih all smartbombs in the hi slots and of course istabs and nanos in the lows. Use tech 1 drones because you'll sometimes blow your own drones or you have to leave in a hurry and can't scoop them. First you see the mega about 50km away and think "yay, a mega gank" Then it's within 5km of you you are in a pod and he's 20km away again and moving fast. Sounds very fun for popping a small gank groups tackler and getting the heck outta there.
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.05 08:28:00 -
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best smartbomb pvp ships is hyperion, has best HP and cap, even better then the rokh, and allows you to fit mids full of rechargers and a light tank and CPR in lows.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.03.05 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Polibius
destory a hauler in one cycle?
Using somewhat outdated online script, we see that:
Analyzing 12:Badger,Badger Mark II,Bestower,Hoarder,Iteron,Iteron Mark II,Iteron Mark III,Iteron Mark IV,Iteron Mark V,Mammoth,Sigil,Wreathe
Cycles=1, Setup: EM=300 EM=300 Ex=300 EM=300 Ex=300 Ex=300 Ex=300 Ex=300
Y( 1):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= -101 [262/742/858] ( 1963) <Badger>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 477 [525/1016/1015] ( 2078) <Badger Mark II>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 779 [187/1172/1171] ( 1750) <Bestower>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 431 [262/1016/1015] ( 1861) <Hoarder>
Y( 1):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= -217 [75/781/781] ( 1854) <Iteron>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 19 [150/860/897] ( 1887) <Iteron Mark II>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 757 [262/1093/1327] ( 1924) <Iteron Mark III>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 499 [225/1016/1171] ( 1912) <Iteron Mark IV>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 1301 [450/1367/1483] ( 1998) <Iteron Mark V>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 710 [375/1093/1171] ( 1928) <Mammoth>
N( 2):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= 253 [150/1016/858] ( 1771) <Sigil>
Y( 1):SH= 0,AR= 0,ST= -169 [75/742/781] ( 1767) <Wreathe>
So, with single BS using regular smarties, you might be able to instapop some untanked haulers, especially if they are using nanosetup.
Timing will be a bit tricky, partly due client-server lag issues (faction bombs help a lot with their extended range). I would dare to guess that nanosetupped BS with full rack of faction smarties would be cost-effective in lowsec. Especially since current dogmas still favour carrying valuable stuff in those tiny untanked ceptors.
-Lasse
envying the rich hunting grounds of lowsec pirates
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:31:00 -
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That is why warping 4 apocs with 8 Smart bombs upon a gate camp then warping the rest of fleet at 20 km is sooo devastating. All drones and taclers die on first cycle and even BC might fall if they stay for a third cycle of 32 SB.
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